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Nemesis4you

My questions is how did Pak do all these and not only did they get away from it, they also got billions of dollars in US funding, have not been blacklisted and have good diplomatic relations with the western countries that were affected by their actions. Pak must be very important to the West or at least have a great leverage against them to have pulled a stunt like that and get away with it.

Salatavor:
don't compare US war effort in Afghanistan to the shabby effort the Nigerian armed forces is putting into fighting BH and Bandits. Let me tell you why.

The US will not allow terror to last on its own soil for 24 hours. If the US is unwilling to finish the war against terror in Afghanistan they have their reason and it is not their people that is getting bombed and killed everyday. Eveeln some of the soldiers dying in the US army in the war against terror are recruited immigrants. So they have nothing to loss.


But Nigeria we have a war at our door step, we have armed bandit slitting the throat of innocent school children and you sit in the confines of the dilapidated structure that you have convinced yourself to regard as a home and you dare make comparisons between the American foreign war against terror with your domestic war against a deadly and serious threat that is almost eating us up.

what is the difference with what USA did in Afghanistan and how they re going to do it if it was in their soil?
Did you know how much they spent alone in budgets?
The thing be say, most western countries has advanced to the extent that none of them re radicals to these religious stuffs that leads to extremism and terrorism.
Terrorism is ideology and nothing short of it..

I was going home from Owerri to mbaise last 3 days, I reached at nkwogwu where ipob burnt 4 to 5 buses, I was sad because it is our own economy they were destroying..
The driver carrying me is a die hard ipob and Kanu supporter, he was in support of that act, I asked...is this how you guys are going to rule Biafra? Agree or be killed? No contrary opinion of any sort? Even federal government and Buhari doesn't go about killing people with contrary opinion..
The driver was about changing it for me, he raised his voice on me that I should shut up.. I could have raised back voice, but I mellowed because it wasn't even worth it neither was the rifraf of a driver..
What he was saying was that we need to respect NK hook line and sinker without question and severe punishment should be melted to perpetrators..
Now tell me the difference between this and terrorism..
Illiteracy is the bane of terrorism and USA has low illiteracy or need I say religious fanaticism, that's why terrorism can not thrive there and other western nations...
Not that they have a magic wand that will put everything to a stop once the need arises..

kabe1:
If you look at the amount of funds invested in the Afghan military over the past 20 years, you also add the billions in US military & contractor spending, claims & claims of killings of Taliban fighters in airstrikes it's just incredible that the Taliban can take over the country in 1 month.


I don't understand it, anyone with better information, I'm more than willing to listen.

I believe it's clandestine support for Taliban along with growing hate and loss of support for the US.

Russia and China are trying to domesticate and legitimize the Taliban, just because of power struggle. But the Taliban will continue to be like a wild animal. I hope it affects them if the Taliban take over that country.

Also they seem to have a lot of mild support across players in the Middle East who are tired of US presence. US has more stronghold over the Afghan government than Iraq, so a regime change would cut down their influence in the Middle East region.

The Taliban will never run out of fighters so far the US continues to have a bad image, no matter how many airstrikes are launched, so far you can't nuke the entire country. Come to think of it, most of the guys fighting now were probably kids when Operation Enduring Freedom was launched. But now, Everyone has or is being indoctrinated. There is a fast growing US hate in the ME region. Mostly triggered by Trump. He is the dumbest and most useless president ever in US history, along with Pompeo, his right hand man. From the terrorist labels and Muslim bans to Solemani, building fences and insulting people from other countries. Obama can't be absolved completely. he carried out some ill thought drone strikes as well.

The media may not say this, but Solemani killing messed up America completely in the Middle East. Go to Facebook and Twitter and you'll find it very difficult to see positive comments on America by ordinary Afghans and Iraqis who are not elites or in government. You what propaganda can do. It can easily capture millions of people who just believe exaggerated stories easily.

Just imagine if Trump was still in power when tensions escalated in Israel. He would very much likely fuel the crisis until Israel invades Palestine completely, not thinking of the future consequences of his actions. Trump needs to be jailed, he's the root cause of all this nonsense.

Whyem15:
Nemesis4you

My questions is how did Pak do all these and not only did they get away from it, they also got billions of dollars in US funding, have not been blacklisted and have good diplomatic relations with the western countries that were affected by their actions. Pak must be very important to the West or at least have a great leverage against them to have pulled a stunt like that and get away with it.

This is a good question I'll also love answered.

Faithful007:
I believe it's clandestine support for Taliban along with growing hate and loss of support for the US.

Russia and China are trying to domesticate and legitimize the Taliban, just because of power struggle. But the Taliban will continue to be like a wild animal. I hope it affects them if the Taliban take over that country.

Also they seem to have a lot of mild support across players in the Middle East who are tired of US presence. US has more stronghold over the Afghan government than Iraq, so a regime change would cut down their influence in the Middle East region.

Thank you Sir for this answer.

However, Trump spent only 4 years in power, we are talking about a problem that is 20 years in the making.

Even if we account for the 4 years, what about the rest 16 years?

How do you explain that America spent 88 billion dollars over 20 years in training alone, yet the full army collapsed in one month.

It burgles the mind.

kabe1:
If you look at the amount of funds invested in the Afghan military over the past 20 years, you also add the billions in US military & contractor spending, claims & claims of killings of Taliban fighters in airstrikes it's just incredible that the Taliban can take over the country in 1 month.


I don't understand it, anyone with better information, I'm more than willing to listen.

The whole thing stinks
As in with superior intelligence and firepower, high tech technology and all and yet this happened under their noses Na lie something is amis
They have troops on ground, armed drones and whatnot and still this happened under their noses no na something is seriously fishy

tutudesz:
Expecting more Bokoharam members to surrender after hearing this News

I'm expecting them to take delivery if you know what I mean..

kabe1:
What's with South-Africa obsession with Rwanda. It used to be Nigeria & South-Africa, and no one else. why throw Rwanda into the mix, you're making us jealous


Anyway, with regards to your comments, this political squabble is unnecessary. Participating nations should work together for Mozambique's security, no need to politicise who is working with who and under what chain of command.

As we have seen in Nigeria, an insurgency has a tendency to drag on for many, many years. Are the participating countries willing to go the long haul for Mozambique?

Insurgency dragging in Nigeria is purely because it's enriching certain people else it'd have long since ended

senior Taliban members, experts and thousands of fighters were released last year as part of a US-brokered ceasefire agreement

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53980978

A decision that has since backfired, as it has helped the Taliban with human capital and expertise.

Nobody expected as capitulation this swift of the ANA, the Taliban would be in Kabul by the end of next month. let's only hope the Taliban keeps to their end of the bargain, preventing the use of Afghanistan as a terrorist holiday resort.

let's just let the people evolve organically, as HDI improves with political and economic stability, ultra-conservative ideas are bound to soften. Democracy and freedom in the west could be perceived as neo-colonial subjugation to a teenage boy in Kandahar

kabe1:
Nigerian Air Force JF-17

DCS

Any news about the missing fighter jets?

Elmaaq:
Any news about the missing fighter jets?

No news yet.

Elmaaq:
Any news about the missing fighter jets?

I'm sure the NAF would have located the site of the crash, especially with the numbers of JAS fighters surrendering. Remember it was shekau's faction that released video of the crash site, some of those surrendering would definitely have info about it. NAF might have just decided to be quiet about it.

Botswana Defence Forces Special Forces Vehicle

Faithful007:
I believe it's clandestine support for Taliban along with growing hate and loss of support for the US.

Russia and China are trying to domesticate and legitimize the Taliban, just because of power struggle. But the Taliban will continue to be like a wild animal. I hope it affects them if the Taliban take over that country.

Also they seem to have a lot of mild support across players in the Middle East who are tired of US presence. US has more stronghold over the Afghan government than Iraq, so a regime change would cut down their influence in the Middle East region.

The Taliban will never run out of fighters so far the US continues to have a bad image, no matter how many airstrikes are launched, so far you can't nuke the entire country. Come to think of it, most of the guys fighting now were probably kids when Operation Enduring Freedom was launched. But now, Everyone has or is being indoctrinated. There is a fast growing US hate in the ME region. Mostly triggered by Trump. He is the dumbest and most useless president ever in US history, along with Pompeo, his right hand man. From the terrorist labels and Muslim bans to Solemani, building fences and insulting people from other countries. Obama can't be absolved completely. he carried out some ill thought drone strikes as well.

The media may not say this, but Solemani killing messed up America completely in the Middle East. Go to Facebook and Twitter and you'll find it very difficult to see positive comments on America by ordinary Afghans and Iraqis who are not elites or in government. You what propaganda can do. It can easily capture millions of people who just believe exaggerated stories easily.

Just imagine if Trump was still in power when tensions escalated in Israel. He would very much likely fuel the crisis until Israel invades Palestine completely, not thinking of the future consequences of his actions. Trump needs to be jailed, he's the root cause of all this nonsense.

I was in total agreement with you till you went all Trump Trump Trump

Interesting times ahead..........

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Guarded welcome for Kenyan troops in DR Congo flashpoint town



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-9891357/Guarded-welcome-Kenyan-troops-DR-Congo-flashpoint-town.html

Kenyan soldiers poised to serve in the UN peacekeeping force in DR Congo have arrived in Beni but found a lukewarm reception in the flashpoint eastern city.

Local resident Adriel Tsongo, 30, said the troops from the East African country, making their first mission to strife-torn North Kivu province, "inspire a little confidence".

But, he said, "We do not trust the UN, and we wonder if these Kenyans will make a difference."

He took a swipe at the "very passive" UN force's FIB brigade, which was authorised in 2013 to take on a more offensive posture but is accused by locals of doing little to protect them from armed groups.

Why, after 20 years of... failures, are they adding more troops, saying that they will fight harder than the others?" asked student Benjamin Sivanzire.

He said the UN soldiers were "lazy" and predicted the Kenyans would not be able to do better than other units.

Such scepticism is deep-seated in Beni, a town of about 200,000 people that has suffered grievously at the hands of the Allied Democratic Forces (ADF).

- Notorious group -

Linked by the United States to the Islamic State group, the ADF is considered to be the deadliest of more than 120 armed groups that roam eastern DRC.

The Catholic Church in the country says the ADF has killed around 6,000 civilians since 2013, while a respected US-based monitor, the Kivu Security Tracker (KST), blames it for more than 1,200 deaths in the Beni area alone since 2017.

The toll has risen sharply since 2019, when the militia appears to have become more radicalised, carrying out massacres in remote villages and taking survivors hostage.

Anger: In November 2019, a crowd stormed a UN compound on the outskirts of Beni over perceived inaction over ADF attacks
Angry protests, some of which have turned violent, have erupted in Beni over perceived inaction by the UN's peacekeeping mission, now more than two decades old, and the DRC armed forces.

As of May, the UN force, MONUSCO, listed its forces at 12,181 troops and 1,612 police, with a civilian contingent of 2,970 employees. The annual budget is around $1 billion.

The FIB, deployed notably in Beni, consists of battalions from Malawi, South Africa and Tanzania, now joined by the Kenyan troops.

The force is being strengthened with four "organic rapid intervention units" in order "to increase the presence on the ground for the protection of the populations", military spokesman Major Ari Foukory told AFP.

The Tanzanians arrived a few months ago, the Kenyans moved into their quarters on Monday and Nepalese and South African contingents are expected shortly, he added, without specifying the number of men concerned.

- Need quick results -

Kambale Musavuli, a taxi driver, said the situation in Beni was getting worse.

The presence of MONUSCO "didn't stop the ADF from cutting people's throats", he said, adding he hoped MONUSCO would "clear off".

"If the Kenyan troops want to earn the trust of local people, they have to start straight away with operations that give tangible results," Tsongo said
Otherwise, he warned, "we will again protest against this force, which isn't helping us at all, and demand its departure".

"What counts is the result on the ground," agreed Calvin Maliro, a youth leader in Beni's Bungulu district.

"We have heard that the Kenyans are used to fighting jihadists," said another youth representative, Jimmy Kighoma, for whom the new peacekeepers were "welcome" so long as they "aren't coming as tourists".

"We understand the public's exasperation, given the killings, the barbarism and violations of human rights," the FIB spokesperson said.
MONUSCO, he stressed, was not there to replace the Congolese army. Its main mission is "to ensure the protection of civilians", he said.

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kabe1:
Thank you Sir for this answer.

However, Trump spent only 4 years in power, we are talking about a problem that is 20 years in the making.

Even if we account for the 4 years, what about the rest 16 years?

How do you explain that America spent 88 billion dollars over 20 years in training alone, yet the full army collapsed in one month.

It burgles the mind.

Yeah, I believe it was hardly ever going to work because of very little support in the larger region of Afghanistan. They believe the US destabilized their country and only the Taliban can restore it. Young people growing up are joining Taliban in the country sides. How many will you shoot. And now there is only air support from Afghan air force, no US aircraft. It's easier for them with their large numbers. I also believe they're supported by Pakistan too.

But nobody trust the Taliban entirely. In fact, neighboring countries are already deploying forces to secure their borders. Their ideology is one that will continue to birth terrorism.

For me, the only way Afghanistan will be kept in check is for US to straighten up things with Iran and allow the Iranian army to deal with Al-Qaeda and allied groups. I bet you, Iran will embrace that job. They too are not safe.

You know, I don't think the US does have much issues with the Iranian armed forces. Iran operates some sort of dual military system with both having three service branches. The IRGC is some sort of highly powerful DSS. That's where Solemani came from, he commanded their elite division. They're the military of the Islamic political power. They're the ones fighting proxy wars with the US. The normal Iranian military does the usual military jobs and battles terror groups. Also they both were kind of rivals before Trump.

willybaby:
I was in total agreement with you till you went all Trump Trump Trump

Yes, because Trump is a bad leader. He is not a good policy maker at all. He makes poor long term decisions and is very reactive. In fact, he is the same with Buhari, looking for how to forcefully end everything thereby escalating the whole issue.

Biden is very close to an ideal leader. Good decisions. See how he managed the Israeli Palestine clash. He also knows that normalizing tensions with Iran would help them check terrorism and future nuclear problems.

But Trump will be boasting "We have the most powerful military" and making others hate him. He wants to fight Iran and fight terrorism at the same time. Always tensioning the world with careless statements.

Optics and propaganda will make a fool look like a genius

I can list quite a few from ind... itself , charity begins from home afterall

But as time goes propaganda loses its shin eventually

Nemesis4you:
From where i stand Trump was the only US president who was pragmatic enough to go after the real problem, he was in the process of screwing the lid on the actors effectively & truth be told he did to a great extent , if he had still been the President this mess would not have happened , he too would have withdrawn but with credible incentives to discourage takeover of Afghanistan by taliban & supporter, make those responsible pay a price ( eg complete sanctions ) which would make them think twice

His Charismatic style makes it look like he is doing well, but his decision will show itself to be poor in the long run. When you tackle a problem from the top, there'll be immidiate changes and it looks as if all is great. But wait, with time the problem will evolve in a stronger and more difficult form.

Nemesis4you:
Optics and propaganda will make a fool look like a genius

I can list quite a few from ind... itself , charity begins from home afterall

But as time goes propaganda loses its shin eventually

Can you explain this a lil bit more? Like who/what you're referring to.

kabe1:
I don't get this, these countries are right on the border with Afghanistan, they have the right to protect their own citizens no matter what.

Well, China and Russia do not share any boarders with Afghanistan but they do see this part of Asia as their sphere of influence. Recognizing the Taliban could start a negative domino effect that could become a threat to Nigeria.
Just image the effect, if countries like those mentioned, would recognize ISWAP and start to negotiate with them on a diplomatic level. Nigeria must take a tough stance against anyone trying to legitimize Jihadism.

Does anyone know the name of the fighter jet South Africa was developing to replace the kafir?

Del

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2 units of Damen 4008 FCS patrol boats destined for Nigeria from Damen Song Cam shipyard, Vietnam.

kabe1:
2 units of Damen 4008 FCS patrol boats destined for Nigeria from Damen Song Cam shipyard, Vietnam.

They have been stuck their for quite awhile due to Covid protocols instituted by the Vietnamese Government .
I heard the Delta Mutation is making things worse in Vietnam.

LTGEN:
They have been stuck their for quite awhile due to Covid protocols instituted by the Vietnamese Government .
I heard the Delta Mutation is making things worse in Vietnam.

Yea, I hope they would be heading to Nigeria soon.

This is a DHQ intervention purchase for the Nigerian Navy.

I hope kabe1 Whyem15 got ur answers