Namzy:

Even if its 100ah I belive that price is reasonable

Even if it is 100ah, why not brand it 100ah rather than mislead people by false declaration, hyping and inflating the capacity in order to justify a price tag?

Anyways it's Nigeria, SON is moribund.

Valto:
the price is not that reasonable bro. u can get a good 100ah 12v lithuim with good thick casing and rugged DALY bms for 125k from the jos guy. they should stop packing lower capacity cells as higher ones. imagine selling 48v 6kwh(120ah) as 48v 10kwh(200ah) and 24v 3kwh(120ah) as 24v 5kwh(200ah). a pity Nigeria has no regulatory body for this kind of stuff.

You no lie about that Jos guy offer.

Valto:
should be around 210 to 230k

As at last the time I got a 24/100 from him January, it was for 270k. But it's more expensive now. He blames the worsening naira-dollar exchange. He also admits to have upgraded the BMS in the 24v to Bluetooth enabled one, of course with increased cost too.

So I believe it will now be around 300k.

Edited:

mantims:
Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) smart battery packs with active balancer, Bluetooth remote monitoring and cells available for sale from the Jos Guy. We ship nationwide.
1.25kwh 12v: 130k
2.5kwh 24v: 260k
5kwh 24v/48v: 560k
6kwh 24v/48v: 600k
9.8kwh 48v: 950k

100ah 3.2v great power cells: 27k
120ah 3.2v CATL cells 31K
280ah 3.2v CATL cells 76k

Welcome to order: 08030633202 (calls/WhatsApp)

Guy, you don dey Nairaland. .
You kukuma want to dey do the marketing in the first person.

Penuelseun:
Just tried my 2 door fridge with it and it powered it. It is amazing

I think aside from low frequency inverters' naturally high idle consumption, another factor for any inverter, high frequency or not to have distressing no-load consumption is the presence of add ons like chargers. The charger circuitry even when not in use contributes its own parasitic drain.

Although I have seen one inverter that defies the rule - that BTS inverter. Also I think someone here has pointed out a low frequency inverter whose idle consumption is even much lower than typical high frequency ones.

Dam5reey:


It's because you have a properly size massive lead acids, that why you feel this way..
Interesting, but at this age, I can't tell my enemy self to use Lead.
1.25kwh 12v: 130k
2.5kwh 24v: 260k
These are ready made Banks, end user buys and use immediately



See the prices of budget lithium, these batteries can be loaded up to 1C and continuous on 0.5C, without stress, you can't try that on a lead acid it won't live up to 6 months..
To be able to do 0.5C then you must double or triple the lead acid capacity which will result to higher starting cost..

Most Inverters now have customization, for charge.

For longevity and capacity, DOD, charge and discharge efficiency up to 99% Lithium is the way.

I agree with you. The mainstream is now gradually and faster than ever drifting towards lithium. The affordability is easing and with many offerings and start ups in the market (save ones like felicity that lie about capacity), it can only get better.

I think to my guys that still stick with Lead acid, it is a function of what still works for them, the ability to have a hugely oversized bank (as is expected to be with lead acid) that does not impair functionality much and probably in addition, the undesire to give up on a huge investment in LA in favour of lithium without first maxing/squeezing out the last drop of the investment on it (lead acid).

I believe acceptance and transition to LFP despite being an avid fan of LA was easier for Oga Níyì because he had clients that were much more interested in the new thing, he had to get them their choice and in the process had first hand exposure to LFP. The need to properly intimate himself to that chemistry in order to serve that section of clients necessitated owning banks himself. And now he is a faithful disciple. . Now he apparently even wants to do away with just few weeks old 272ah cells in order to upgrade to maybe 1000ah cells. Ha! Baba, Tuale o.
I hope I assumed correctly sha.

In the coming months, we should see guys engaging in e-vehicle constructions or modifications, starting majorly with e-bikes. Maybe this thread will also accommodate that new entry or perhaps it will have its own thread altogether.

Valto:
the price is not that reasonable bro. u can get a good 100ah 12v lithuim with good thick casing and rugged DALY bms for 125k from the jos guy. they should stop packing lower capacity cells as higher ones. imagine selling 48v 6kwh(120ah) as 48v 10kwh(200ah) and 24v 3kwh(120ah) as 24v 5kwh(200ah). a pity Nigeria has no regulatory body for this kind of stuff.

Boss, who be the Jos guy? Abeg quote any of his chat

mantims:
Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) smart battery packs with active balancer, Bluetooth remote monitoring and cells available for sale from the Jos Guy. We ship nationwide.
1.25kwh 12v: 130k
2.5kwh 24v: 260k
5kwh 24v/48v: 560k
6kwh 24v/48v: 600k
9.8kwh 48v: 950k

100ah 3.2v great power cells: 27k
120ah 3.2v CATL cells 31K
280ah 3.2v CATL cells 76k

Welcome to order: 08030633202 (calls/WhatsApp)

I better start putting up my Luminous inverter for sale.The only reason I haven't gone Lithium is because of my inverters. The price sure makes sense when you compare it with Lead Acid batteries that will give you just 50% DOD.Full river battery as at my last check with the sole importer in Nigeria about 3 weeks ago was #155k for 200ah.So technically ,Lithium is better cost wise in the long run.

I have a 12v 1.5 kva Icellpower inverterwith adjustable settings lying fallow in my store.Does anyone know if this inverter can work with Lithium? If not what affordable and durable options are available?

odimbannamdi:


Boss, who be the Jos guy? Abeg quote any of his chat

Bàbá, read the messages. Dude dey here already. I've gotten 5 different packs of different capacities from him till date. He even replaced for free one that the battery post terminals got damaged in transit.

One thing though, is that na pay before delivery and you'll most likely be responsible for the payment for shipping. But he will deliver it. Usually within a week of concluding payment, item gets to Ondo/Ekiti, in most of my dealings with him.

omotoda:



I better start putting up my Luminous inverter for sale.The only reason I haven't gone Lithium is because of my inverters. The price sure makes sense when you compare it with Lead Acid batteries that will give you just 50% DOD.Full river battery as at my last check with the sole importer in Nigeria about 3 weeks ago was #155k for 200ah.So technically ,Lithium is better cost wise in the long run.

I have a 12v 1.5 kva Icellpower inverterwith adjustable settings lying fallow in my store.Does anyone know if this inverter can work with Lithium? If not what affordable and durable options are available?

If your inverter has so far served you well, is rugged, big, strong and reliable, you might wanna keep it. It is something worth keeping. And it does not prevent you from acquiring LFP to use with it.

The only change you require is to do away with the in-built AC charger of the inverter and use an external Lithium charger hooked to the battery instead. Of course if you also have solar panels and CC, that makes the job of charging easier.

In summary
200amp acid battery = 100amp lithium
i.e DOD of Acid at 50%
Acid requires frequent charge to avoid desulphation.
If u mistakenly type lithium vs acid batteries for YouTube ur eye go open wah.

Who never see another person papa farm go say na im farm big pass.

omotoda:



I better start putting up my Luminous inverter for sale.The only reason I haven't gone Lithium is because of my inverters. The price sure makes sense when you compare it with Lead Acid batteries that will give you just 50% DOD.Full river battery as at my last check with the sole importer in Nigeria about 3 weeks ago was #155k for 200ah.So technically ,Lithium is better cost wise in the long run.

I have a 12v 1.5 kva Icellpower inverterwith adjustable settings lying fallow in my store.Does anyone know if this inverter can work with Lithium? If not what affordable and durable options are available?

There is no inverter that can't work with lifepo4, the only drawback is if it can charge it, in which case you can buy an external lithium charger to do that or go solar all the way

ceaser:


I think aside from low frequency inverters' naturally high idle consumption, another factor for any inverter, high frequency or not to have distressing no-load consumption is the presence of add ons like chargers. The charger circuitry even when not in use contributes its own parasitic drain.

Although I have seen one inverter that defies the rule - that BTS inverter. Also I think someone here has pointed out a low frequency inverter whose idle consumption is even much lower than typical high frequency ones.

My inverter is high frequency{ceepro}. What surprised me is a 600w inverter powering a double door fridge, whose surge gets to around 900w

200Ah lead acid at 50% DoD is more like 125Ah Lithium at 80% DoD.

Practically you may not be able to drain Lithium to zero on a regular basis especially if your bank is made of several cells.

dollarnaira:
In summary
200amp acid battery = 100amp lithium
i.e DOD of Acid at 50%
Acid requires frequent charge to avoid desulphation.
If u mistakenly type lithium vs acid batteries for YouTube ur eye go open wah.

Who never see another person papa farm go say na im farm big pass.

Penuelseun:
There is no inverter that can't work with lifepo4, the only drawback is if it can charge it, in which case you can buy an external lithium charger to do that or go solar all the way

Like how much can one gets a lithium external charger

Penuelseun:
My inverter is high frequency{ceepro}. What surprised me is a 600w inverter powering a double door fridge, whose surge gets to around 900w

That ceepro seems to have a nice reputation. A high frequency inverter can spot up to one half to twice its continouos rating as surge capacity depending on the quality the manufacturers put in it, not mandatorily twice. It's just our Chinese manufacturers that decide to stick with two times surge capacity and that is almost sticking as the standard in the minds of many.

Very premium high frequency brands of inverter will likely spot more than twice surge capacity.

edryz:



Like how much can one gets a lithium external charger

These abound on AliExpress. Just search the market place on AE by typing your query in the search box.

@ Ojeysky once had for sale an adjustable lithium charger with flexibility of using it with diverse cell configurations.

You can ask him if he still has in stock.

mantims:
Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) smart battery packs with active balancer, Bluetooth remote monitoring and cells available for sale from the Jos Guy. We ship nationwide.
1.25kwh 12v: 130k
2.5kwh 24v: 260k
5kwh 24v/48v: 560k
6kwh 24v/48v: 600k
9.8kwh 48v: 950k

100ah 3.2v great power cells: 27k
120ah 3.2v CATL cells 31K
280ah 3.2v CATL cells 76k

Welcome to order: 08030633202 (calls/WhatsApp)

I'm confused about this pricing: 5kwh 24v/48v for 560k

samnaija:
@just Emmanuel pls continue posting your lithium wares, don't be intimidated. This on the long run will help members on the forum to make their choice. But my cup of tea on this matter lithium still on the high side.
Team tubular all the way, no shaking 2 Years plus.

Lol mine is 3 years and I intend using it for another 4 to 5 maybe by then lithium prices will be very affordable

....

edryz:



Like how much can one gets a lithium external charger

You can get one from @ojesky or @valto. I diy mine from a desktop computer power pack. Gives me around 20a at 12.7v, perfect for my 18650s

ceaser:


That ceepro seems to have a nice reputation. A high frequency inverter can spot up to one half to twice its continouos rating as surge capacity depending on the quality the manufacturers put in it, not mandatorily twice. It's just our Chinese manufacturers that decide to stick with two times surge capacity and that is almost sticking as the standard in the minds of many.

Very premium high frequency brands of inverter will likely spot more than twice surge capacity.



These abound on AliExpress. Just search the market place on AE by typing your query in the search box.

@ Ojeysky once had for sale an adjustable lithium charger with flexibility of using it with diverse cell configurations.

You can ask him if he still has in stock.

It's gone a long time ago

Namzy:

Lol mine is 3 years and I intend using it for another 4 to 5 maybe by then lithium prices will be very affordable

I doubt it will be more affordable than it already is especially if quality is important to you. Naija govt may even start introducing policies that will make renewable energy more expensive

edryz:



Like how much can one gets a lithium external charger

Still have a few for 45k if you are buying more than a unit

Namzy:

I'm confused about this pricing: 5kwh 24v/48v for 560k

It's simple you will get 16 batteries of 100AH either way.

24V @ 200AH, that 8s2p
48V @ 100AH, that's 16s...

It's the same capacity of 5KWH

NiyiOmoIyunade:
200Ah lead acid at 50% DoD is more like 125Ah Lithium at 80% DoD.

Practically you may not be able to drain Lithium to zero on a regular basis especially if your bank is made of several cells.

If you want to really push LA to similar life span of LFP then it should be 30% DoD of LA is equal to 80% DoD of lithium. However we have gone though this talks in the past. Let everyone buy what works for them

I'm looking to buy this ABS toolbox empty case for my power wall lithium DIY...anyone know where I can get one locally in Nigeria with the following internal dimension 305mm* 280mm*178mm?

ojeysky:


I doubt it will be more affordable than it already is especially if quality is important to you. Naija will govt may even start introducing policies that will make renewable energy more expensive

Naira is on a free fall, the policies the Nigerian government already has in place will ensure that it keeps falling and things will never be cheaper if it's paid for in dollars.

mctfopt:
I'm looking to buy this ABS toolbox empty case for my power wall lithium DIY...anyone know where I can get one locally in Nigeria with the following internal dimension 305mm* 280mm*178mm?

Make use of hdf wood.
It is very nice
Sth like this:

I saw something similar in Arena awhile back. Can't remember the price.

dollarnaira:


Make use of hdf wood.
It is very nice

ceaser:


Bàbá, read the messages. Dude dey here already. I've gotten 5 different packs of different capacities from him till date. He even replaced for free one that the battery post terminals got damaged in transit.

One thing though, is that na pay before delivery and you'll most likely be responsible for the payment for shipping. But he will deliver it. Usually within a week of concluding payment, item gets to Ondo/Ekiti, in most of my dealings with him.



If your inverter has so far served you well, is rugged, big, strong and reliable, you might wanna keep it. It is something worth keeping. And it does not prevent you from acquiring LFP to use with it.

The only change you require is to do away with the in-built AC charger of the inverter and use an external Lithium charger hooked to the battery instead. Of course if you also have solar panels and CC, that makes the job of charging easier.

I have solar. 4 units of Felicity 260 watts panel hooked with 60amp PowMr CC

Good morning all, please I need help getting a solar inverter for my shop.
The load is very small, 1 rechargeable fan, 3 energy bulbs and phone/laptop charger.

Thought of going for mtn lumos but not encouraged by some bad reviews.


Please kindly advise suggest which I can get for less than 150k to serve the purpose listed above thank you.

Even at 30% DoD your average LA will do under 2,000cycles. It is still not very close to Lithium.

I was only trying to dissuade the notion of 200Ah Lead Acid = 100Ah Lithium.

You will always need to upsize your Lithium bank for a realistic DoD and the proverbial rainy day.

If someone can squeeze 180Ah from his 200Ah LA bank a few times a year because not enough solar harvest or no PHCN or Gen, it would be lights out for the Lithium 100Ah guy.

In practice 200Ah LA will need about 130 to 150Ah Lithium as equivalent.

ojeysky:


If you want to really push LA to similar life span of LFP then it should be 30% DoD of LA is equal to 80% DoD of lithium. However we have gone though this talks in the past. Let everyone buy what works for them

Without exaggeration, the move from LA to Lithium transformed my life and business.

With LA you could get every part of the system design right and yet the batteries would fail on you. One of the reasons why Lithium rocks is the cell level monitoring - basically you will know ahead if any cell would fail on you and enough mechanisms to save the day or avert disaster.

Making the port to Pylontechs was a very big deal for many reasons. It took a large customer order (some people don't think about costs, they just want it to work reliably) to get me started and no looking back after that.

All the comms and gizmos and system integration also went a long way to encourage.

When Lithium is done right you literally have zero fear. When a Lithium customer calls you, you know it is for a battery or inverter or solar upgrade if na lead acid, your heart starts to beat fast when you see your customer calls within year one

For the Lishens and Eves, we are just trying different brands with a view to choosing the best longterm for our customers. It was thesame struggle, buy, test and use between Pylontech, BYD and Weco of which we ended up choosing Pylontech. Weco at that time had not enough history or market info available behind it.

ceaser:


I agree with you. The mainstream is now gradually and faster than ever drifting towards lithium. The affordability is easing .....

I believe acceptance and transition to LFP despite being an avid fan of LA was easier for Oga Níyì because he had clients that were much more interested in the new thing, he had to get them their choice and in the process had first hand exposure to LFP. The need to properly intimate himself to that chemistry in order to serve that section of clients necessitated owning banks himself. And now he is a faithful disciple. . Now he apparently even wants to do away with just few weeks old 272ah cells in order to upgrade.

Penuelseun:
You can get one from @ojesky or @valto. I diy mine from a desktop computer power pack. Gives me around 20a at 12.7v, perfect for my 18650s

How did you DIY that? Did you have to use a potentiometer?

ojeysky:


I doubt it will be more affordable than it already is especially if quality is important to you. Naija will govt may even start introducing policies that will make renewable energy more expensive

@Bolded. Right there, it may be the next thing on their mind once many Nigerians begin to jump on the solar bandwagon. Their aim is to tax citizens to the bone without commensurate provision of social amenities and social services.

I read few days ago that FIRS is advocating for the introduction of road tax, whatever that is, and why it needs to be added to the already multiple taxes paid by the average citizen.

Electric mobility in Nigeria may just develop faster than anyone will imagine, akin to the way GSM in Nigeria took subsaharan Africa by storm within very short period. By then, the government, if it is not replaced by a forward thinking and productive one, will see it as the next goldmine for their tax-reliant government.

Serious governments like the UK and Germany encourage and fund their citizens with interest free loans in other for them to go green. The interest free loans are provided for acquiring and installing solar materials. In some instances, tax rebates are given to people that have gone green. People that choose to buy Teslas and other e-vehicles usually have tax rebates too.

What is so difficult for government to implement in tax rebates? Even if it is just to let go a few hundreds of naira monthly in order to encourage citizens. If they can do it for Dangote, even though we know it's about cronyism, but at least they should have tiny dignity to do same at far lower amounts for citizens.

GeorgeD1:


bro, despite the seemingly huge benefits of lithium, lead acid still holds an attraction for a lot of folks.
provided you don't saddle yourself with flooded lead acid which needs babysitting, lead acid in the form of
gel or agm is essentially an install and forget kind of set up where you don't worry yourself with a lot of issues
lithium owners have to worry about. you don't do top balancing or bottom balancing with lead acid and you
hardly need a bms. for anyone thinking of starting his or her journey into renewable energy, lead acid is still
the preferred entry point.

Errrrm
You err kind sire

Was on your side of the table 2 or 3 yrs ago when this issue was discussed, i know better now

A 12v 280ah lifepo4 can easily and safely power a 1.5hp ac without issues , but to dream of powering same load safely with leadacid, you need minimum of 8 units 12v 200ah cells. ...........

Why you are enjoying your lead acids is that you are frightenly oversized, with those your 2v 2000ah. Its akin to 3.2v 280ah in terms of load you can put on it, but cheaper and lighter in weight.

A 3.2v 280ah lifepo is about 5.4kg, while a 2v 2000ah would be about 150kg......

Since the loads are not sensitive, you can make do with a modified sine wave inverter

1000/500W inverter with charger - good for days of bad weather, charge with the grid

2x 150W panels

30A solar charge controller

100Ah L.A Battery

Other accessories you choose to go with it, depending on your knowledge of how it goes.

Note: you can buy all accessories yourself and call a local Installer to do the job for you

Jiji is a good place to start or you can reach out if stuck

Liftedhands:
Good morning all, please I need help getting a solar inverter for my shop.
The load is very small, 1 rechargeable fan, 3 energy bulbs and phone/laptop charger.

Thought of going for mtn lumos but not encouraged by some bad reviews.


Please kindly advise suggest which I can get for less than 150k to serve the purpose listed above thank you.

Namzy:

Lol mine is 3 years and I intend using it for another 4 to 5 maybe by then lithium prices will be very affordable

My brother, we have the same taught process. I remember the time flooded batteries came into Nigeria it was expensive intially I could not afford then, but check today tubular as come to the rescue .. so I go wait till lithium drops then I go also port....