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| Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 7:38am On Sep 05, 2021 |
JOHN FRUM MOVEMENT PROTOTYPE |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 7:43am On Sep 05, 2021 |
HISTORICITY OF JESUS CHRIST |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 7:48am On Sep 05, 2021 |
QUESTIONING THE GOSPEL AUTHORS INTENTION |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 7:55am On Sep 05, 2021 |
MESSIANISM AND CHRISTOLOGY IN THE FIRST CENTURY AND GOSPEL |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 8:01am On Sep 05, 2021 |
WHAT COMPELLED THE GOSPEL AUTHORS 1 |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:02am On Sep 05, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: still the same way the Satanist and Anti-God have shaped your minds, seeings and beliefs through their conjectures, fabrications and agendas. ![]() |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 8:07am On Sep 05, 2021 |
WHAT COMPELLED THE GOSPEL AUTHORS 2 |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 8:11am On Sep 05, 2021 |
WHAT COMPELLED THE GOSPEL AUTHORS 3 |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 8:15am On Sep 05, 2021 |
CONCLUSION: WHAT COMPELLED THE GOSPEL AUTHORS |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 8:18am On Sep 05, 2021 |
LONG HISTORY OF JEWISH REVOLUTION STRUGGLES 1 |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by thorpido(m): 8:23am On Sep 05, 2021 |
The summary of all this write up is that Jesus is Lord. |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 8:24am On Sep 05, 2021 |
LONG HISTORY OF JEWISH REVOLUTION STRUGGLES 2 |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:23am On Sep 05, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: Oh, You were Catholic? No wonder hence your plenty stories of emptiness as your former priests used to give in their shrine. ![]() |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 7:40am On Sep 07, 2021 |
IDEOLOGICAL WARFARE: THE ROMAN MASTERSTROKE |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 7:43am On Sep 07, 2021 |
IDEOLOGICAL WARFARE: ATTACKING THE BULLDOG |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 7:47am On Sep 07, 2021 |
IDEOLOGICAL WARFARE: THE INSTRUMENTAL PROVOCATEUR |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 7:49am On Sep 07, 2021 |
Another possible way to unravel is identity and mission is his claims of been a Jew, Roman citizen, Pharisee, and belonging to the Tribe of Benjamin. These are contradictory. Rome do not just ditch out citizenship especially to the Jew. Roman citizenship could only have been obtained by a Jew in one of three ways: (1) As a member of Herod’s family, (2) Service in the Roman military, (3) Purchasing Roman citizenship. This rules out (2) and (3), so Paul must have obtained his Roman citizenship as a descendant of Herod. |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 7:57am On Sep 07, 2021 |
THE ACTS 1 |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 9:20am On Sep 09, 2021 |
THE ACTS 2 |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 9:21am On Sep 09, 2021 |
In the first attempt at executing this mission, Saul only succeeded in breaking the legs of James but erroneously failed at killing him. Further in chapter 71 of the Recognitions, James' associates and supporters who were both more numerous and more powerful than the others; preferring to suffer themselves to be killed by an inferior force, than they would kill others; finding that he wasn't dead lifted him up, took him to his house, and in the following morning took him with the company of 5000 men to Jericho. The mission became a failure, and James went completely underground. |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 2:45pm On Sep 11, 2021 |
THE ACTS 3alfredilly |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by sonmvayina(m): 3:47pm On Sep 11, 2021 |
The worshippers of Serapis where called Christians... The worshippers of Jesus where called catholics... Make no mistake. |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by hupernikao: 4:59pm On Sep 11, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE:@FOLYKAZE To be sincere, the write ups above once again confirmed the historical facts of the faith in Christ Jesus. You have done well, to help researched the facts that the characters depicted in the new testament writings were not fiction but people within the history of humanity. This negate the views of many around your cults, Thank God, there is a confirmation that the persons of Peter Paul James All existed and preached Christ, a facts you made clear in the write ups. Even Paul affirmed that Christian theology is both inspirational and historical. His death, burial and resurrection were prophetical (OT), and historical (NT). You have been able to put our the facts that these characters actually wrote about the person of Jesus. If their writings are affirmed by the author of these your articles, the onus is on him to now go and explore the life story of those characters as they themselves explained through the scriptures. They weren't speaking about a story heard, they confirmed they lived with, held, walked with and spoke with the Lord. 1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; Their writings also were confirmed by your write up to be within their existence. That means what they wrote and put in circulation were verifiable by people in their days who knew them, who saw them, who interacted with them else no one will take it as serious but just as a novel. What this shows you is that, there is a solid historical background to the person of Jesus. People who saw him wrote, their writings were in circulation and received. It's a question to your researcher to ponder on: why John, Peter, Paul existed, and wrote about Christ existence, a writing accepted in their time. Why was such accepted if Christ is a fiction unknown to their culture, time and environment or age. Truly Bro, History has and can provide you with all facts of Christian theology if you are open, honest and diligent enough to see through the truthfulness of the authors of the scriptures in depicting their beliefs within the confide of life challenges they faced without hiding their frailty and weaknesses behind the authority of their inspired pen. |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 9:48pm On Sep 11, 2021*. Modified: 10:18pm On Sep 11, 2021 |
sonmvayina:Let me cite the words of the author of the Declaration of Independence and the 3rd President of the United States. Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus. — Thomas Jefferson Christianity is an ignition started by the Roman Government to remotely control the mind of the disturbing jewish populace, and Paul is the matchstick. |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 10:17pm On Sep 11, 2021*. Modified: 10:48pm On Sep 11, 2021 |
@hupernikao I am really glad you took your time to glance through the thread. It is however disappointing that you do not digest the contents. The issues discussed in the OP is huge, I read and still reading many scholars thesis and publications, yet I have make the points comprehensive and easy to understand. You could have taken your time to study it. 1. The historicity of the personalities like Peter, James and Paul are enormous. These people can be identified by contemporary writers like Josephus who wrote extensively about the Rome - Jewish war in the 66AD. However, the account about them or their missions in the new testament are gigantic fictional and highly twisted. The OP used historical information like Quirinius census to debunk the historicity of the New testament. Therefore, just because New testament mentioned historical personalities like Pilate, Herod, Agrippa, and James the Apostle doesn't make the narration objective truth. Much like Sherlock Holmes stories cannot be true just because it mentioned and described Victorian London. 2.The author of the New Testament are unknown. Moreso, the largesse of the New Testament are heavily altered and forged. The people who allegedly wrote them did not meet, see, converse or walk with the so called Lord. 3. John 1:1 is a later gnostic bullcrap. I could have asked why Paul insists that there is only one 'gospel of Christ' (Galatians 1:7), and why did later Christians accept as 'Scripture' four written and contradictory gospels? Note Arianism of Gospel of John, Docetism of gospel of Peter, or Marcionism of reworked gospel of Luke . Was Jesus created in the beginning or not... Homoousian? Was his crucifixion an illusion... Docetism? What is the root of gnosticism in Christianity? The dice is cast hupernikao, lets play 4. Take your time to read the OP. There is a long expectancy of a revolutionary Christ (anointed one) whom the Jewish populace believe would emancipate the Jewish nation from Roman colonialism. The OP established that this personality should be a militant who would raze down Rome and rule the entire world. However our known Jesus isn't a militant but a pacifist. This Jesus cannot be the Christ. And whatever is in the bible today is a mere invention. 5. I will advice you to take your time to read through your Bible and critically weigh it with history. You would only find that the Old testament is wholesale moonlight tale and the New testament is simply an historical fiction. |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by hupernikao: 10:59pm On Sep 11, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE:Firstly, You made so much assumptions in your response. I will start from the theology you presented in your point 4. here is a long expectancy of a revolutionary Christ (anointed one) whom the Jewish populace believe would emancipate the Jewish nation from Roman colonialism. The OP established that this personality should be a militant who would raze down Rome and rule the entire world. However our known Jesus isn't a militant but a pacifist. This Jesus cannot be the Christ. And whatever is in the bible today is a mere invention.I am definitely sure you know this is a doctrine help by the Jews and not just a contemporary stuff. Hence you should know that the basis of such assertion was taken from how they interpreted the scriptures. If you affirm this, it clearly showed to that you have affirm the authority of the OT writers and its prophecies. This also pose a question now to you, is that what the scriptures truly says. The answer to this will be from a honest study of the OT itself to know what the prophets explained. But hold this tight. From Abraham, Moses, David, Isaiah, Ezekiel and other prophets in the OT who saw the heart of God, they clearly stated a messiah who will suffer then reign, not one who will rule as a military agent. Even David's life already showed you that a messiah (anointed) can suffer before he reigns. That is a narrative of Christ in OT shown in the life of David. Jesus said same in Luke 24:25 Ought not Christ (anointed, messiah) to have suffered this things and enter into his glory. He was reading the OT to say this. A Jew will never agree with this even though such anomalies was seen in David and he cant fault it. I will leave you to do a better study for yourself than do an hearsay as this is not the focus of this write up. I i will advise you do a diligent study of the promised messiah from the OT and know whether he is a military ruler, enforcer or one who will suffer even in his anointing as spoken by the Jewish, OT books. |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by hupernikao: 11:01pm On Sep 11, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE:Your points 2 & 3 are just full of assumptions and hearsay, so i wont respond to it. I will deal on issues that arent rolled on emotions. On Paul, i wont respond also since its an obvious misinterpretation of the scriptures. I dont do verse lifting explanation. The author wrote a book, that is how you should read it and not turn to a millennial students who dont appreciate proper contextual study. |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by hupernikao: 11:02pm On Sep 11, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE:You know the real point here is that you agreed that those characters werent fictional. That goes a long way to help in your study in future. I appreciate your diligence in doing research. I am sure years back you would have denied their existence just like some still do today, but now you have read further and more, and see their existence. The other issues will come to roast over the years. |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by hupernikao: 11:02pm On Sep 11, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE:Your points above are purely Christian theology and am sure you dont hold the view, hence i wont have the discussion with you. The school of thoughts and systems you mentioned above are on the premise of theology. I will rather discuss it with someone who holds them as believe not you as you dont believe in it. Lastly, they are ideas founded on study of the scriptures and believe in God. I dont think you also affirms any of that. So, I will let them pass because it will take your trust in the truth of the scriptures to speak on any of those doctrines above. If you dont hold such believe, all the doctrines you listed with fall flat behind your ears no matter how loud the explanation is. |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 11:20pm On Sep 11, 2021 |
hupernikao:Why you not start with Jewish Messiah to know that the idea of Christ went beyond 8BC |
| Re: Cobbled Jesus: A Glimpse At The Invention Of Christianity. by FOLYKAZE(op): 11:22pm On Sep 11, 2021 |
hupernikao:Really? Why can't you reveal the reality? hupernikao: ![]() I no fit laugh finish. Misinterpretation for real? Tell us the real interpretation abeg |
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still the same way the Satanist and Anti-God have shaped your minds, seeings and beliefs through their conjectures, fabrications and agendas.