MaxInDHouse:

Men are chosen through the spirit of God so what has that got to do with the question you asked?


You only ask to argue, you don't read even when you need answers to important questions. In that way you're not helping yourself. Now read this.

Ministering from their belongings is not different from that of Dorcas. So no clear cut evidence that they preached. We are even talking of co - pastoring. It depends on what you think, no one ever heard of Mrs Kumuyi before her death. Co - pastoring may not necessarily preaching or teaching. It could be in charge of taking care of children, guests, encouraging women, praying with pregnant women etc. In the time of the apostles,, people like Timothy, Titus, if married would not have been the only ones doing everything without their wives. I wouldn't know if the Pastors in your own organisation don't involve their wives in their ministries anyhow.

MightySparrow:

Ministering from their belongings is not different from that of Dorcas. So no clear cut evidence that they preached. We are even talking of co - pastoring. It depends on what you think, no one ever heard of Mrs Kumuyi before her death. Co - pastoring may not necessarily preaching or teaching. It could be in charge of taking care of children, guests, encouraging women, praying with pregnant women etc. In the time of the apostles,, people like Timothy, Titus, if married would not have been the only ones doing everything without their wives. I wouldn't know if the Pastors in your own organisation don't involve their wives in their ministries anyhow.

That's it!
Christian women back then don't pastor along with their husbands but they're also hardworking in the ministry playing their part.
The only place where you can't see them is standing on the pulpit to lead in worship, that's exactly what we do today.
Most people know the members of our GB but hard can you find someone who knows their wives (even among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) it's on pages of the Watchtower when they're talking about their stories!
For instance if not for this publication where a member of the GB is pictured sitting next to his wife at the meetings, i'm sure millions of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the earth has never seen brother Samuel Herd's wife!

This is how we study our Watchtower magazine, notice the little girl commenting while everyone in the congregation (including a member of the GB) is learning together as one family!

MaxInDHouse:


That's it!
Christian women back then don't pastor along with their husbands but they're also hardworking in the ministry playing their part.
The only place where you can't see them is standing on the pulpit to lead in worship, that's exactly what we do today.
Most people know the members of our GB but hard can you find someone who knows their wives (even among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) it's on pages of the Watchtower when they're talking about their stories!
For instance if not for this publication where a member of the GB is pictured sitting next to his wife at the meetings, i'm sure millions of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the earth has never seen brother Samuel Herd's wife!

This is how we study our Watchtower magazine, notice the little girl commenting while everyone in the congregation (including a member of the GB) is learning together as one family!

What is your definition of a pastor?

MightySparrow:

What is your definition of a pastor?

The title "PASTOR" is derived from the word "PASTURE" which literally means "GREEN VEGETATION"
So it's almost the same as SHEPHERDS but unlike the Shepherds who only takes the sheep out to look for green vegetations, the Pastor is more attached to each sheep knowing that he will give an account to the owner if any should get lost under his care.
So he tenderly attends to each sheep to bear their feelings and help them cope with life anxieties that's the work Jesus can't do physically because many people are looking onto him note that he called himself the "good shepherd" {John 10:11} but with the help of God's Holy Spirit Jesus chose trust worthy men amongst his followers for this assignment! Ephesians 4:11

That's what people like Timothy were doing in the Christian Congregation back then, Paul encouraged this young Pastor to show special interest in each member of the church {1Timothy 5:1-4} Paul was serving as an Apostle {Romans 11:13; 1Timothy 2:7} but those serving as Pastors are to take care of each and every member of the church.

Today Jehovah's Witnesses have men serving as Pastors in our midst but because they don't bear titles most people often say we don't have Pastors. Well if you must know those serving as Pastors are the first to notice any JW that comes into their territory that's why we can boast of traveling to anywhere in the world and feel at home because our pastors there are in trouble before Jesus if they fail to take good care of any of Jesus' sheep that comes around their territory!

MaxInDHouse:


In that case Paul was wrong:
1Corinthians 14:33-35
1Timothy 2:11-13
right?

Why i came to that conclusion is because in their writings the name of the leader comes first . E.g Barnabas and Saul . but when Paul became the leader. it chamged t Paul and Barnabas instead of the initial Barnabas and Saul. so liwise for this couple in the name of the wife comes first most in most cases

petra1:

Why i came to that conclusion is because in their writings the name of the leader comes first . E.g Barnabas and Saul . but when Paul became the leader. it chamged t Paul and Barnabas instead of the initial Barnabas and Saul. so liwise for this couple in the name of the wife comes first most in most cases

The writer of the Bible book of Act is Luke and as a physician Luke's style of writing differs from all others.
It might be that Pricilla first became a Christian before her husband or Luke is more familiar with her, either way no woman is permitted in the presence of baptized men to take the lead during worship in the first century!

MaxInDHouse:

The writer of the Bible book of Act is Luke and as a physician Luke's style of writing differs from all others.
It might be that Pricilla first became a Christian before her husband or Luke is more familiar with her, either way no woman is permitted in the presence of baptized men to take the lead during worship in the first century!

what about the elect lady john wrote to. There are indication she was a pastor

2 John 1:1 (KJV)
​1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

petra1:


what about the elect lady john wrote to. There are indication she was a pastor

2 John 1:1 (KJV)
​1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

In the NT the same Greek ekletos is applied to all believers.
She is NOT a pastor.
The Greek words for "minister" ,"overseer" , shepherd" etc would referenced to her but it is not.
@ 2 John 1:1 she was singled out for special attention because she is whom John "loves in the truth"

In the same manner Paul spoke highly of Timothy in the NT.

petra1:


what about the elect lady john wrote to. There are indication she was a pastor

2 John 1:1 (KJV)
​1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

There are two categories of Christians, the first set are those born of water and spirit, they are the BORN AGAIN Christians {John 3:5-7} They are also part of the world wide Christian family but God CHOSE them to be part of the ruling class {Matthew 20:20-23} therefore they will join Jesus in heaven to rule over the earth {John 14:6} God chose both males and females to in this fold so when Jesus said:

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure,, to give you the kingdom" he was addressing that set!

Their number is limited (144,000) they will join Jesus in his abode (heaven) to rule the earth so during resurrection of the death their set will rise FIRST! Revelations 14:1; 20:6


The second set of Christians are countless millions who will inherit the earth {Jesus refer to us as the "other sheep" {John 10:16} so whenever you read Jesus' comments some are about the first set (those going to rule with him in heaven) {Matthew 5:3} while some of his comments refer to the second set who are millions that (will inherit the earth) Matthew 5:5

So that term ELECTED or CHOSEN or ANOINTED refers to the first set and that woman belongs to their set that's why John could single out the woman because John also belong to that set! 1Thessalonian 4:16

MaxInDHouse:

The title "PASTOR" is derived from the word "PASTURE" which literally means "GREEN VEGETATION"
So it's almost the same as SHEPHERDS but unlike the Shepherds who only takes the sheep out to look for green vegetations, the Pastor is more attached to each sheep knowing that he will give an account to the owner if any should get lost under his care.
So he tenderly attends to each sheep to bear their feelings and help them cope with life anxieties that's the work Jesus can't do physically because many people are looking onto him note that he called himself the "good shepherd" {John 10:11} but with the help of God's Holy Spirit Jesus chose trust worthy men amongst his followers for this assignment! Ephesians 4:11

That's what people like Timothy were doing in the Christian Congregation back then, Paul encouraged this young Pastor to show special interest in each member of the church {1Timothy 5:1-4} Paul was serving as an Apostle {Romans 11:13; 1Timothy 2:7} but those serving as Pastors are to take care of each and every member of the church.

Today Jehovah's Witnesses have men serving as Pastors in our midst but because they don't bear titles most people often say we don't have Pastors. Well if you must know those serving as Pastors are the first to notice any JW that comes into their territory that's why we can boast of traveling to anywhere in the world and feel at home because our pastors there are in trouble before Jesus if they fail to take good care of any of Jesus' sheep that comes around their territory!

The topic is ..,...Co - pastoring with the husband.....
Are the wives of your 'pastors' not co - pastoring so that no one is lost? Is pastoring in your organisation all men affairs, or is it the name tag that is problem.

MightySparrow:

The topic is ..,...Co - pastoring with the husband.....
Are the wives of your 'pastors' not co - pastoring so that no one is lost? Is pastoring in your organisation all men affairs, or is it the name tag that is problem.

It's all men's affairs! 1Corinthians 14:33-35

MaxInDHouse:

It's all men's affairs! 1Corinthians 14:33-35

No wonder, when I asked your elders what they were doing about the family of my blood brother, sorry your member on the brink of collapse. I was surprised to hear from him, that your organisation does not care about home of members.

In my own church we have women conferences where matured people teach younger ones how to handle challenges in marriage. And, this is done in the Church Auditorium. Wisdom is profitable to direct.

Titus 2: 3 - 5; ECC. 10:10

MightySparrow:

No wonder, when I asked your elders what they were doing about the family of my blood brother, sorry your member on the brink of collapse. I was surprised to hear from him, that your organisation does not care about home of members.
In my own church we have women conferences where matured people teach younger ones how to handle challenges in marriage. And, this is done in the Church Auditorium. Wisdom is profitable to direct.
Titus 2: 3 - 5; ECC. 10:10

Sorry, you were shunned because you're not a witness!
The elders are not supposed to disclose confidential information of any member to anyone who is not a member of the elders in that particular congregation! Even other Witnesses are not supposed to here anything about the matter unless one of the couple reveal it to them. So you're not entitled to such confidently matter. The man in question may be your blood brother but it's only him that can disclose his secret to you not the elders in the congregation!
But if i may ask, is the wife also one of JWs?

MightySparrow:

No wonder, when I asked your elders what they were doing about the family of my blood brother, sorry your member on the brink of collapse. I was surprised to hear from him, that your organisation does not care about home of members.

The highlighted is incorrect jare. As long as your blood brother is a baptized member in the congregation and is in serious need, he himself will be taken care of. Galatians 6:10, 1John 3:17
If he is a family man, then further consideration will also be given.
When Witnesses organize their disaster relief for their brothers, it is almost always the case that non-Witness relatives benefit from it.

In my own church we have women conferences where matured people teach younger ones how to handle challenges in marriage. And, this is done in the Church Auditorium. Wisdom is profitable to direct.
Titus 2: 3 - 5; ECC. 10:10

If that’s the case, why do the Witnesses have higher success rates when it comes to happy marriages that stand the test of time? Because the counsel given about marriage comes straight from the Scriptures. Genesis 2:24, Proverbs 5:18, Ecclesiastes 9:9, Malachi 2:14-16, Ephesians 5:33
And not human philosophies where the pastor at the pulpit says one or two fleeting words without ever referring to the Scriptures.

I guess you would have come across our publication “The Secret of Family Happiness” that used to reign in the early 2000’s. A lot of persons including your pastors have benefitted a whole lot from that book. Take your time and go through it again if you had done so before.

MaxInDHouse:


Sorry, you were shunned because you're not a witness!
The elders are not supposed to disclose confidential information of any member to anyone who is not a member of the elders in that particular congregation! Even other Witnesses are not supposed to here anything about the matter unless one of the couple reveal it to them. So you're not entitled to such confidently matter. The man in question may be your blood brother but it's only him that can disclose his secret to you not the elders in the congregation!
But if i may ask, is the wife also one of JWs?

The wife born a JW. The kind of a thing that will happen that a blood relation will not hear, now the church and family reject him, for family to take care. Are you a cult?
A JW couple around me about twenty years ago with two children. The husband's businesses rank to a bad weather, the husband abandoned the wife and two children for about fifteen years now for the poor woman to cater for. I would have loved to give the contacts of these people but won't do that without permission and for embarrassment.

Does your organisation have not have regards for marriage?
My brother still boasts of sole ordained Bible teaching ministry. Is that what you teach your people?
How would you want me to thrust my life into hands of careless pastors joining your organisation?
My own church takes care of its members, unlike what you erroneously write and teach your people, we don't publcize our own responsibility towards members, we take care of our people but not after their pockets as you believe and errorneouly inform people.

I'm suspecting his brother found the truth after marriage so MightySparrow and other members of brother's worldly families are trying to instigate the woman against him.
So you can imagine the emotional blackmail our brother will be facing if MightySparrow happens to have influence on the woman.

MightySparrow will be happy to blackmail his brother just to spite him for being one of JWs. So no elder will disclose any information to him, i don't know why he can't speak to his own blood brother instead of going about asking about his own brother from strangers!

DappaD:

The highlighted is incorrect jare. As long as your blood brother is a baptized member in the congregation and is in serious need, he himself will be taken care of. Galatians 6:10, 1John 3:17
If he is a family man, then further consideration will also be given.
When Witnesses organize their disaster relief for their brothers, it is almost always the case that non-Witness relatives benefit from it.
If that’s the case, why do the Witnesses have higher success rates when it comes to happy marriages that stand the test of time? Because the counsel given about marriage comes straight from the Scriptures. Genesis 2:24, Proverbs 5:18, Ecclesiastes 9:9, Malachi 2:14-16, Ephesians 5:33
And not human philosophies where the pastor at the pulpit says one or two fleeting words without ever referring to the Scriptures.
I guess you would have come across our publication “The Secret of Family Happiness” that used to reign in the early 2000’s. A lot of persons including your pastors have benefitted a whole lot from that book. Take your time and go through it again if you had done so before.

No wahala,they will resolve their own problem.
Thank you!

MightySparrow:

The wife born a JW. The kind of a thing that will happen that a blood relation will not hear, now the church and family reject him, for family to take care. Are you a cult?
A JW couple around me about twenty years ago with two children. The husband's businesses rank to a bad weather, the husband abandoned the wife and two children for about fifteen years now for the poor woman to cater for. I would have loved to give the contacts of these people but won't do that without permission and for embarrassment.

Does your organisation have not have regards for marriage?
My brother still boasts of sole ordained Bible teaching ministry. Is that what you teach your people?
How would you want me to thrust my life into hands of careless pastors joining your organisation?
My own church takes care of its members, unlike what you erroneously write and teach your people, we don't publcize our own responsibility towards members, we take care of our people but not after their pockets as you believe and errorneouly inform people.

DappaD:


The highlighted is incorrect jare. As long as your blood brother is a baptized member in the congregation and is in serious need, he himself will be taken care of. Galatians 6:10, 1John 3:17
If he is a family man, then further consideration will also be given.
When Witnesses organize their disaster relief for their brothers, it is almost always the case that non-Witness relatives benefit from it.



If that’s the case, why do the Witnesses have higher success rates when it comes to happy marriages that stand the test of time? Because the counsel given about marriage comes straight from the Scriptures. Genesis 2:24, Proverbs 5:18, Ecclesiastes 9:9, Malachi 2:14-16, Ephesians 5:33
And not human philosophies where the pastor at the pulpit says one or two fleeting words without ever referring to the Scriptures.

I guess you would have come across our publication “The Secret of Family Happiness” that used to reign in the early 2000’s. A lot of persons including your pastors have benefitted a whole lot from that book. Take your time and go through it again if you had done so before.

In terms or taking of members, I think JW doesn't have anything to teach us. Evidences around me has proven that. All the teachings are a hoax.
Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men 2Cor. 3: 2

DappaD:


The highlighted is incorrect jare. As long as your blood brother is a baptized member in the congregation and is in serious need, he himself will be taken care of. Galatians 6:10, 1John 3:17
If he is a family man, then further consideration will also be given.
When Witnesses organize their disaster relief for their brothers, it is almost always the case that non-Witness relatives benefit from it.



If that’s the case, why do the Witnesses have higher success rates when it comes to happy marriages that stand the test of time? Because the counsel given about marriage comes straight from the Scriptures. Genesis 2:24, Proverbs 5:18, Ecclesiastes 9:9, Malachi 2:14-16, Ephesians 5:33
And not human philosophies where the pastor at the pulpit says one or two fleeting words without ever referring to the Scriptures.

I guess you would have come across our publication “The Secret of Family Happiness” that used to reign in the early 2000’s. A lot of persons including your pastors have benefitted a whole lot from that book. Take your time and go through it again if you had done so before.

why do the Witnesses have higher success rates when it comes to happy marriages that stand the test of time?..... Dappad

Question not statistics. Success too can be achieved and attained based on silenced domestic abuse, violence and battering. Go figure

MightySparrow:



In terms or taking of members, I think JW doesn't have anything to teach us. Evidences around me has proven that. All the teachings are a hoax.
Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men 2Cor. 3: 2

MaxInDHouse that didn't even know that the religious organization he belongs is registered as a CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION in its article of association until live evidence was shown to him before he accepted.

His friend can't boast about their charitable prowess as well. Even to join redress schemes in countries they are found wanting na serious palaver for them. They want to run away but when faced with sanctions raging towards removing their charity status they reconsider their stands and quickly fall in line after all to start paying TAX no be child's play

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala,they will resolve their own problem.
Thank you!

Funny enough, nobody can actually confirm whatever the man is saying right now. Talk is cheap and it is easy to cook up stories these days. How can we expect someone who dislikes Witnesses to ever say anything good about them?

So his story cannot be confirmed whereas people around him and beyond will always comment: “Jehovah’s Witnesses love themselves too much, they always come through for their members.” This one can be confirmed anywhere anyday.

The man exposed himself the moment he said an overseer in the congregation shared information with him who is a non-Witness. So he claimed he spoke with an elder and he said they won’t take care of their brother? C’mon we know that’s a lie because appointed brothers mustn’t disclose matters relating to publishers to outsiders. Proverbs 11:13


It could be that they’re seeing the brother and sister being well-taken care of, but nothing is reaching his side so he felt that the Witnesses must come and provide his daily bread for him simply because his brother is a Witness.

DappaD:

Funny enough, nobody can actually confirm whatever the man is saying right now. Talk is cheap and it is easy to cook up stories these days. How can we expect someone who dislikes Witnesses to ever say anything good about them?
So his story cannot be confirmed whereas people around him and beyond will always comment: “Jehovah’s Witnesses love themselves too much, they always come through for their members.” This one can be confirmed anywhere anyday.
The man exposed himself the moment he said an overseer in the congregation shared information with him who is a non-Witness. So he claimed he spoke with an elder and he said they won’t take care of their brother? C’mon we know that’s a lie because appointed brothers mustn’t disclose matters relating to publishers to outsiders. Proverbs 11:13
It could be that they’re seeing the brother and sister being well-taken care of, but nothing is reaching his side so he felt that the Witnesses must come and provide his daily bread for him simply because his brother is a Witness.

Whenever they're deceiving themselves i just laugh at them!

Billions are out there envying JW couples, even many of them complaining that JWs only marry within themselves would do anything just to hook up with a JW in order to secure a happy home.

So let them continue chewing their own bread.

Aláàárù tó ń jẹ búrẹ́dì, awọ orí ẹ̀ lo ńjẹ tí ò mọ̀!

MightySparrow:


Ministering from their belongings is not different from that of Dorcas. So no clear cut evidence that they preached. We are even talking of co - pastoring. It depends on what you think, no one ever heard of Mrs Kumuyi before her death. Co - pastoring may not necessarily preaching or teaching. It could be in charge of taking care of children, guests, encouraging women, praying with pregnant women etc. In the time of the apostles,, people like Timothy, Titus, if married would not have been the only ones doing everything without their wives. I wouldn't know if the Pastors in your own organisation don't involve their wives in their ministries anyhow.

Psalms 68:11
New American Standard Bible
"The Lord gives the command; The women who proclaim good news are a great army"

DappaD:


Funny enough, nobody can actually confirm whatever the man is saying right now. Talk is cheap and it is easy to cook up stories these days. How can we expect someone who dislikes Witnesses to ever say anything good about them?

So his story cannot be confirmed whereas people around him and beyond will always comment: “Jehovah’s Witnesses love themselves too much, they always come through for their members.” This one can be confirmed anywhere anyday.

The man exposed himself the moment he said an overseer in the congregation shared information with him who is a non-Witness. So he claimed he spoke with an elder and he said they won’t take care of their brother? C’mon we know that’s a lie because appointed brothers mustn’t disclose matters relating to publishers to outsiders. Proverbs 11:13


It could be that they’re seeing the brother and sister being well-taken care of, but nothing is reaching his side so he felt that the Witnesses must come and provide his daily bread for him simply because his brother is a Witness.

The man exposed himself the moment he said an overseer in the congregation shared information with him who is a non-Witness.

E no dey happen abi?

MaxInDHouse:

Whenever they're deceiving themselves i just laugh at them!
Billions are out there envying JW couples, even many of them complaining that JWs only marry within themselves would do anything just to hook up with a JW in order to secure a happy home.
So let them continue chewing their own bread.
Aláàárù tó ń jẹ búrẹ́dì, awọ orí ẹ̀ lo ńjẹ tí ò mọ̀!

Very true. Reminds me of a sister who once related that during her job interview, the woman asking her questions wanted her to marry her son on hearing that she was a Witness.
So many other similar experiences are out there.

DappaD:

Very true. Reminds me of a sister who once related that during her job interview, the woman asking her questions wanted her to marry her son on hearing that she was a Witness.
So many other similar experiences are out there.

All that is far fetched my brother.
Nobody can deny what happened to me here on Nairaland when a beautiful young lady kept passing advances at me, she even openly confessed that she's interested in me, she never saw me for once neither did she know my financial status. All she cared for is the honesty and qualities of a good husband in Jehovah's Witnesses not until i told her "i'm a grandpa" even telling her my age before she began calling me her SUGAR DADDY!
So let them continue deceiving themselves the light is on already not even their father (Satan) along with all his demons can cover it! Matthew 5:14-16

Janosky:


Psalms 68:11
New American Standard Bible
"The Lord gives the command; The women who proclaim good news are a great army"

Proclamation! Dubious answer. Women then can hold crusades like Peter and Phillip. Is ministry, then all men affairs?

achorladey:


MaxInDHouse that didn't even know that the religious organization he belongs is registered as a CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION in its article of association until live evidence was shown to him before he accepted.

His friend can't boast about their charitable prowess as well. Even to join redress schemes in countries they are found wanting na serious palaver for them. They want to run away but when faced with sanctions raging towards removing their charity status they reconsider their stands and quickly fall in line after all to start paying TAX no be child's play

Can you see insincerity in his answer then.

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala,they will resolve their own problem.
Thank you!

The other lady having waited endlessly for an uncaring body of elders has changed church. Well, the run-away husband can come back blaming the Devil.

after the poor woman left at about 30 years of age, has been denied the joy of marriage and single-handedly trained the children.
A worse than that is even around mẹ here. I don't think your organisation has any regards for your selve as you tout.
I think your organisation is deep rooted in hypocrisy.

MightySparrow:

The other lady having waited endlessly for an uncaring body of elders ]has changed church. Well, the run-away husband can come back blaming the Devil. After the poor woman left at about 30 years of age, has been denied the joy of marriage and single-handedly trained the children.
A worse than that is even around mẹ here. I don't think your organisation has any regards for your selve as you tout.
I think your organisation is deep rooted in hypocrisy.

The bolded shows she's not one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
No matter what happens a REAL JW will live and die as a JW!

MaxInDHouse:


The bolded shows she's not one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
No matter what happens a REAL JW will live and die as a JW!

No matter what happens a REAL JW will live and die as a JW

Real JW equals live and die as JW. In reality all JWs at the moment are FAKES including those at the top of the organization. No wonder looking at your members suspiciously and seeing some as hypocrites is ALLOWED

MaxInDHouse:


The bolded shows she's not one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
No matter what happens a REAL JW will live and die as a JW!

Both born into it.
When her encouragers are from other church. Do want to be faithful to the organisation who is faithful to her?