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Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by JohnnyPalmer: 2:17pm On Sep 14, 2021
Kingcalls:
U see how hypocrisy is smelling all over u... so u want to base it on individual performance ok... so in 2018 modric individual performance won him the balon dor deservedly according to u... so in ur own words his individual performance was backed with him leading his country to the world cup final... but Ronaldo dint deserve it despite scoring in every game in the CL except the semis and final ...scoring a hat trick against Spain in the world cup , was madrids best player ...but according to u , as long as modric got to the final of that world cup he deserved it ....ok

2010 Sneijders individual performance also lead him team to the world cup final , but he dint deserve it cos he wasn't serie a beat player according to u...ok


So 2010 , iniesta won the same thing messi won and lead his country to world cup victory, Spain first and only world cup ( put this consideration concerning balon dor 2021 with copa) scoring the only goal... he won uefa best player , but it was given to Messi despite being trashed 4.0 by Germany in the quarters and also failing to register one goal...and u say messi was the best individually cos he won la liga player of the season and European golden boot...ok


2013 ... Ronaldo was the best player individually scoring 70 goals , European golden boot , champions league golden boot , la liga player of the season , but he dint deserved it cos he won nothing ( now u hv changed from individual to trophies won)...ok

2012 ... messi wins balon dor, but he won no trophy apart from copa dey rey ( we know its an irrelevant cup) but they said he deserved it cos he was the best individually despite not winning a credible trophy.... ok


2019 .... vvd wins champions league and premiership player of the season plus uefa player of the season, meaning individually he was the best and added the champions league to it and lead Holland to nations league final.... winner messi, why?? He won la liga and European golden boot , he was best individually according to u ....ok


2021 , Lewandowski wins bundesliga, bundesliga best player , European golden boot ...now the same criteria u minions use in judging that Messi is the best ... now messi wins copa and u guys shift goal post again and say Lewandowski dint win Euros , all of a sudden u abandon individual performance for trophy cos he dint win la liga best player, wasn't nominated for uefa best player dint make CL team of the season...u abandon individual performance and jump on trophy cos he won copa despite ghosting in the semi final and final when he met string teams , cos he had only boliva and Ecuador as his real performance....


U see y I call u guys clowns...shifting the goal post from left to right and right to left to favour ur midget... but if they like they should even dash him 10 ...we don't care cos we know these stuffs are based on sentiments .... winning balon dor doesn't mean u are actually the best.... best in only by impact in ur team winning important trophies.... as long as messi hasn't appeared in the last 6 CL finals and has not even scored in a world Cup knock out stage and only won his first international trophy at 34 on the 13th attempt, then u guys are just jokers
Oga you just dey rant rubbish since

Answer me this question?

How come your Ronaldo has never won best player/Golden ball in any International tournament he has played in?

Hope you know he also played at the Olympics

While I can tell you without doubt that there is no tournament/competition on this Earth Messi has played in and did not win the Tournament's Best Player
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by Kingcalls: 3:36pm On Sep 14, 2021
JohnnyPalmer:
Oga you just dey rant rubbish since

Answer me this question?

How come your Ronaldo has never won best player/Golden ball in any International tournament he has played in?

Hope you know he also played at the Olympics

While I can tell you without doubt that there is no tournament/competition on this Earth Messi has played in and did not win the Tournament's Best Player
No de call Olympics, thats another irrelevant football tournament.... if it was so important, why are uball saying copa is messis first international trophy..u keep on living in denial...

Winning best player is by votes and doesn't necessarily mean that person is the best... was forlan better than iniesta, suarez, sneijder , casillas , villa , puyol in 2010 ?? Was Messi better than James, Neuer or mullar in 2014, was Khan better than Ronaldo in 2002 , was modric better than mbappe in 2018?? Seems that balon dor is strictly for loosers as consolation cos I have never seen the tournament winner win it...

Messi in his career has never scored a world cup champion in any tournament he has ever played on , copa or world cup , he has never even scored any team that has played in a world Cup final, he has never scored in a world Cup knock out stage , the biggest country he has ever scored in his career is Chile and that was this year's copa

List of teams Messi has scored in all tournaments he has ever played

Peru.
Panama
Venezuela
Mexico
USA
Bolivia
Ecuador
Paraguay
Chile
Iran
Serbia
Bosnia
Nigeria ( his personal favorite)

Former world champs or European champs or world cup finalists teams he played but failed to score
Brazil multiple times
Uruguay multiple times
Croatia
Germany x3
Belgium
Holland
France


Ronaldo on the otherhand has only failed to score these former world or European champs
Brazil
Uruguay
England
Met them only once each in tournaments apart from England that he played twice ...both game was a goalless draw apart from Uruguay

Ronaldo has scored these teams in tournaments
Holland
Germany
Spain
France
Mexico
Czech
Ghana
Hungary
Wales
New Zealand
Russia
Switzerland
North Korea
Iran

Those are the teams Ronaldo has scored in tournaments....
He has only played South American teams 3 times compared to Messi that has played European teams 14 times in world cup tournament and has only scored 2 times , one against Bosnia and the other serbia

Thats ur world best shey??
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by nigfooty: 3:41pm On Sep 14, 2021
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Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by nigfooty: 3:42pm On Sep 14, 2021
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Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by JohnnyPalmer:
Kingcalls:
No de call Olympics, thats another irrelevant football tournament.... if it was so important, why are uball saying copa is messis first international trophy..u keep on living in denial...

Winning best player is by votes and doesn't necessarily mean that person is the best... was forlan better than iniesta, suarez, sneijder , casillas , villa , puyol in 2010 ?? Was Messi better than James, Neuer or mullar in 2014, was Khan better than Ronaldo in 2002 , was modric better than mbappe in 2018?? Seems that balon dor is strictly for loosers as consolation cos I have never seen the tournament winner win it...

Messi in his career has never scored a world cup champion in any tournament he has ever played on , copa or world cup , he has never even scored any team that has played in a world Cup final, he has never scored in a world Cup knock out stage , the biggest country he has ever scored in his career is Chile and that was this year's copa

List of teams Messi has scored in all tournaments he has ever played

Peru.
Panama
Venezuela
Mexico
USA
Bolivia
Ecuador
Paraguay
Chile
Iran
Serbia
Bosnia
Nigeria ( his personal favorite)

Former world champs or European champs or world cup finalists teams he played but failed to score
Brazil multiple times
Uruguay multiple times
Croatia
Germany x3
Belgium
Holland
France


Ronaldo on the otherhand has only failed to score these former world or European champs
Brazil
Uruguay
England
Met them only once each in tournaments apart from England that he played twice ...both game was a goalless draw apart from Uruguay

Ronaldo has scored these teams in tournaments
Holland
Germany
Spain
France
Mexico
Czech
Ghana
Hungary
Wales
New Zealand
Russia
Switzerland
North Korea
Iran

Those are the teams Ronaldo has scored in tournaments....
He has only played South American teams 3 times compared to Messi that has played European teams 14 times in world cup tournament and has only scored 2 times , one against Bosnia and the other serbia

Thats ur world best shey??
You are just a cry baby

And you gonna end up crying more

I'll ask you this question, I don't expect you to be honest about it, but deep down you know the answer

It the tables were turned and it was Ronaldo 6 on 7 against Messi with 5....would you have said it's biased and based on votes? grin grin

You are just a joker

Ballon d' or is and will still be the standard to assess who's the best footballer,
If a votes by national team coaches and captains, club team coaches and captains, football most renowned ed journalists and others ain't good enough for you cos it doesn't favour your so called ewure.... Then then the joke is on you bro

Olympics is far more relevant than Nations League... Dani Alves won it was referred to as International trophy

It's only Ronaldo stans that wants to deceive us that's it's not
If it's easy let your ewure go and do it.. [oh.. he tried but couldn't make it past group stage] grin

I don't care about Forlan...
Messi Singlehandedly led Argentina to qualification and single handedly dragged them to the finals
Yes, he was far better than the names you mentioned in 2014 WC and Modric had a similar run with croatia

Ronaldo with 6 Euros participation... Never for once won a single best player... That's a shame
Messi has 3 in Copa edition and 1 in a WC

About never scoring a goal against any World Cup winners in a tournament... It doesn't matter... He has 5 goals against Brazil be it qualifiers or friendly, 5 against Uruguay

He has scored against France, Spain, Germany and a host of others

Your point doesn't hold tally, cos even with all these... He's won Copa best player 3 times and a World Cup golden ball which your ewure will never have till he retires.


Your Ewure has played more international tournaments and still is yet to win a single best player of the tournament

Can never be my Goat

Football is not all about goals... And even if it is goals... Your ewure is not ahead

But the rest including assists, play-making, build up play, dribbles, chances created, skills, technicality...

Messi is way ahead, not even close

Let me give you a bonus... Iffhs playmaker of the year award.... Messi has 4 [joint most] the only forward you will see on the list

While doing all these still has more European Golden Boot award than your ewure

Bro rest, you can argue from a biased point all day... There is no way a logical person and Sane human will rate Ronaldo ahead of Messi.

Cos without the goals [of which Messi has a better goal to game ratio than him, and playing mostly from the wings and now deeply compared to Ronaldo that spent most of his career as a Striker] Ronaldo is useless.

1 free kick goal in over 100 attempts for Juve in 3 seasons grin

Can never be my goat.

I know you will reply with another long epistle, will read and laugh at you

No point degrading Messi further

Ronaldo's greatest achievement in life is being compared to Messi

How many times do you hear/read/see people compare Ronaldo to Maradona, Pele,....

You can only compare him to Puskas, gerd muller.. Good poachers that's all
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by Teejaney88(m): 10:38pm On Sep 14, 2021
I'm my opinion, it should be between Kante and Lewandowski...
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by OJEEMAH(m): 7:42am On Sep 15, 2021
Teejaney88:
I'm my opinion, it should be between Kante and Lewandowski...
I think you should read further to know why Messi is tipped as a strong contender. https://www.goal.com/en/lists/ballon-dor-2021-power-rankings/1l03egk461k3a1em4lb6gh8mhu#1hqsrk5kkaog01y1ap7rp9e5zi
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by goddons50: 8:31am On Sep 15, 2021
paulolee:
loolzzz....i don laugh tire....first it was kante, next na Jorginho n now na lewa abi?? the injury lewa sustained for a month dt made mbappe disgraced n dumped bayern out had already written him off
also he had a poor performance in the euros n he isnt even considered atall bcoz he didnt make the nominees for dt uefa best award..
Leo winning the copa had already sealed dt 7th award n all haters can do is just to watch..
ur penaldo no even get hope after his disgrace himself laste season with juve, na small porto with 37 year old pepe naim cage am n he didnt score in any fixture, lost possesion 17 times n failed to complete any dribble against dm n shame no catch u n na lewa u de fight for..
A player who did not win champions league, neither was he champions league best player, he was not even champions league highest goal scorer, he did not carry his own league TROPHY, he was not even the european golden shoe winner, am not even talking abt la Liga best player which was won by a goalkeeper......a player that got 24 man of the match against teams like eibar and failed to perform among the top 4 big teams in la Liga...

This year's BALLONDOR is going b a shock....it is either LEWANDOSKI or JORGINHO.... period..
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by paulolee(m): 8:37am On Sep 15, 2021
goddons50:
A player who did not win champions league, neither was he champions league best player, he was not even champions league highest goal scorer, he did not carry his own league TROPHY, he was not even the european golden shoe winner, am not even talking abt la Liga best player which was won by a goalkeeper......a player that got 24 man of the match against teams like eibar and failed to perform among the top 4 big teams in la Liga...

This year's BALLONDOR is going b a shock....it is either LEWANDOSKI or JORGINHO.... period..
I know wr u de come from bt Leo winning dt copa is a big plus...ballon d or is controlled by french media n messi is currently in french league....jus small hype from DM n u no go fit even talk
who doesn't want d best in his league? even lewa know say mesi get am, Jorginho av already bin compensated
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by goddons50: 8:46am On Sep 15, 2021
paulolee:
I know wr u de come from bt Leo winning dt copa is a big plus...ballon d or is controlled by french media n messi is currently in french league....jus small hype from DM n u no go fit even talk
who doesn't want d best in his league? even lewa know say mesi get am, Jorginho av already bin compensated
DON'T U THINK SANCHEZ SHOULD BE CALLED BACK AND BE AWARDED 2 BALLONDORS FOR WINNING THE COPA AMERICA BACK TO BACK AGAINST MESSI..... DON'T U THINK SO....
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by OJEEMAH(m): 8:48am On Sep 15, 2021
goddons50:
A player who did not win champions league, neither was he champions league best player, he was not even champions league highest goal scorer, he did not carry his own league TROPHY, he was not even the european golden shoe winner, am not even talking abt la Liga best player which was won by a goalkeeper......a player that got 24 man of the match against teams like eibar and failed to perform among the top 4 big teams in la Liga...

This year's BALLONDOR is going b a shock....it is either LEWANDOSKI or JORGINHO.... period..
Remove Jorginho from the equation........e no go smell top 3!
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by OJEEMAH(m): 8:49am On Sep 15, 2021
goddons50:
DON'T U THINK SANCHEZ SHOULD BE CALLED BACK AND BE AWARDED 2 BALLONDORS FOR WINNING THE COPA AMERICA BACK TO BACK AGAINST MESSI..... DON'T U THINK SO....
On what basis? Was his performance for Arsenal & Chile Balon D'or worthy?
Or
Winning the competition is enough to be crowned Balon D'or winner?

If that's the case, Jorginho should be awarded the award for winning UCL & Euro despite his average display.
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by goddons50: 8:51am On Sep 15, 2021
paulolee:
I know wr u de come from bt Leo winning dt copa is a big plus...ballon d or is controlled by french media n messi is currently in french league....jus small hype from DM n u no go fit even talk
who doesn't want d best in his league? even lewa know say mesi get am, Jorginho av already bin compensated
BALLONDOR IS CONTROLLED BY FRENCH MEDIA YET NEYMAR N MBAPPE DONT EVEN KNOW HOW D BALLONDOR LOOKS LIKE...AND U R TELLING ME THAT MBAPPE IS RUNNING FROM THE BALLONDOR TO REAL MADRID ABI.......
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by goddons50: 8:53am On Sep 15, 2021
OJEEMAH:
On what basis? Was his performance for Arsenal & Chile Balon D'or worthy?
Or
Winning the competition is enough to be crowned Balon D'or winner?

If that's the case, Jorginho should be awarded the award for winning UCL & Euro despite his average display.
VERY GOOD QUESTION.....I SHOULD BE ASKING U THAT.....UR QUESTION IS FOR U TO ANSWER
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by OJEEMAH(m): 8:57am On Sep 15, 2021
goddons50:
VERY GOOD QUESTION.....I SHOULD BE ASKING U THAT.....UR QUESTION IS FOR U TO ANSWER
You should check Messi's performance and then dig more to find out why he is considered a strong candidate for the award.
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by goddons50: 9:08am On Sep 15, 2021
OJEEMAH:
You should check Messi's performance and then dig more to find out why he is considered a strong candidate for the award.
THIS ONE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY

Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by shogsman(m): 9:10am On Sep 15, 2021
Kingcalls:
Messis failure to win it will cap the disappointment and final premium tears thats already leading in ur system grin grin... midget want to use Bolivia Ecuador , clements foot and eibar to win balon dor grin grin..
Brazil he failed, Colombia he failed, psg he failed , juventus he failed , real madrid he failed 2ice , atletico he failed 2ice.... suarez left him and joined atletico and won it , failed in la liga and failed in champions league ...u guys are jokers grin
I dont think normal 10liters will be enough to contain your wailing come December
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by shogsman(m): 9:15am On Sep 15, 2021
Goat

Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by Christiansen(m): 9:23am On Sep 15, 2021
I'm a chelsea fan, but I'll hand this one to messi. The GOAT deserves to have 7 balon dors and even more
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by paulolee(m): 4:11pm On Sep 15, 2021
goddons50:
DON'T U THINK SANCHEZ SHOULD BE CALLED BACK AND BE AWARDED 2 BALLONDORS FOR WINNING THE COPA AMERICA BACK TO BACK AGAINST MESSI..... DON'T U THINK SO....
Sanchez bcoz of just copa? after club football, we already know favorites n its only d favorites dt are judged by country laurels..
wo da hell is sanchez?
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by paulolee(m): 4:19pm On Sep 15, 2021
goddons50:
BALLONDOR IS CONTROLLED BY FRENCH MEDIA YET NEYMAR N MBAPPE DONT EVEN KNOW HOW D BALLONDOR LOOKS LIKE...AND U R TELLING ME THAT MBAPPE IS RUNNING FROM THE BALLONDOR TO REAL MADRID ABI.......
lolz...the media can only hype like d British media ar doing but dey dnt determine d winner
we all know say hup get were e stop...u no fit hype neyma n mbappe as the best wen d likes of messi n cr7 dey na
dey gat work hard before d hype unlike messi n cr7 dt dnt need much work or hype to win d award bcoz dey don pay dues..
u think say modric for win ballon d or ahead of cr7 n mess if any of DM win dt worldcup like mbappe?
or u think say cr7 wont stand a chance in winning ballon d or assuming portugal won euros?
Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by goddons50: 6:11pm On Sep 15, 2021
paulolee:
lolz...the media can only hype like d British media ar doing but dey dnt determine d winner
we all know say hup get were e stop...u no fit hype neyma n mbappe as the best wen d likes of messi n cr7 dey na
dey gat work hard before d hype unlike messi n cr7 dt dnt need much work or hype to win d award bcoz dey don pay dues..
u think say modric for win ballon d or ahead of cr7 n mess if any of DM win dt worldcup like mbappe?
or u think say cr7 wont stand a chance in winning ballon d or assuming portugal won euros?
THIS ONE IS JUST EATING HIS VOMMIT.....

Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by Bankball: 7:33pm On Sep 15, 2021
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✰ 149 games
✰ 120 goals
✰ 36 assists

Neymar in the #UCL⚽
✰ 69 games
✰ 41 goals
✰ 26 assists

Mbappé in the #UCL⚽
✰ 45 games
✰ 27 goals
✰ 16 assists

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Re: Do You Think Messi Or Jorginho Deserves The Great Balon D'or Award by Kingcalls: 10:09pm On Sep 15, 2021
Bankball:
Messi in the #UCL⚽
✰ 149 games
✰ 120 goals
✰ 36 assists

Neymar in the #UCL⚽
✰ 69 games
✰ 41 goals
✰ 26 assists

Mbappé in the #UCL⚽
✰ 45 games
✰ 27 goals
✰ 16 assists

MNM makes its debut.�
grin grin grin grin grin... children wey just start to de watch football... we wey din the watch ball since early 90s dey laf una as una de talk this rubbish...

They no fit beat the weakest team for group with complete 11 men
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