BlueRayDick:


You are not getting it, or rather u are just delibartely trying to force a point where there's none.

You claimed midfield was neglected to the detriment of defence; this is false. We signed both Partey and Gabriel the same Transfer window.

I've never said our midfielders were good enough to challenge for anything or play in Europe, hence why I supported the signing of Partey.

You are the ones who have always claimed Gabriel's signing was unnecessary( even though there were posts u made in the past that showed all was not well with our defence)

What I'm questioning with my post u quoted up there is this : "Why do u think a terrible defence like ours will challenge for European football because we bought several midfielders? "

The money spent on Gabriel could have been added to the 50M they had left to poach a decent AM.

We had Luiz and Mustaffi and were still making Europe, we had Luiz and Mustaffi and didn’t concede 9 goals in 3 matches and being 20th after game 3.

Our major problem going into last season and this current one wasn’t the goals we conceded, we conceded 3rd least goal of the season while at it. Our major problem was inability to create chances and kill off games.

kokanepyramid:

The money spent on Gabriel could have been added to the 50M they had left to poach a decent AM.

We had Luiz and Mustaffi and were still making Europe, we had Luiz and Mustaffi and didn’t concede 9 goals in 3 matches and being 20th after game 3.

Our major problem going into last season and this current one wasn’t the goals we conceded, we conceded 3rd least goal of the season while at it. Our major problem was inability to create chances and kill off games.

Wo my tired is tired!

I don leave this argument for una, make I face wetin dey pay my bills.

kokanepyramid:

The money spent on Gabriel could have been added to the 50M they had left to poach a decent AM.

We had Luiz and Mustaffi and were still making Europe, we had Luiz and Mustaffi and didn’t concede 9 goals in 3 matches and being 20th after game 3.

Our major problem going into last season and this current one wasn’t the goals we conceded, we conceded 3rd least goal of the season while at it. Our major problem was inability to create chances and kill off games.

You are still on this agenda ba? Despite showing you proof that we went for 2 top AM during that window and it fell through, not because of money but family issues with the players involved. Since then you still carry this Gabriel matter for head to buttress your agenda. Like him or hate him, Gabriel has been a good signing a d has proven to be the best in that position thus far.

I don’t think anyone will dispute your thoughts that we should revamp our midi field but using Gabriel as a scapegoat is wrong. Like @BlueRayDick said, in that same transfer we signed T. Partey, resigned Ceballos.. So what’s the deal here..Did the club not approach 2 AMs? Baba, na wa oh..
You forget say we argue so tey we do the math and it did not add up on your side? Including Gabriel’s weekly wages!

BlueRayDick:


You are not getting it, or rather u are just delibartely trying to force a point where there's none.

You claimed midfield was neglected to the detriment of defence; this is false. We signed both Partey and Gabriel the same Transfer window.

I've never said our midfielders were good enough to challenge for anything or play in Europe, hence why I supported the signing of Partey.

You are the ones who have always claimed Gabriel's signing was unnecessary( even though there were posts u made in the past that showed all was not well with our defence)

What I'm questioning with my post u quoted up there is this : "Why do u think a terrible defence like ours will challenge for European football because we bought several midfielders? "

Wengay have used senderos,squillaci,silvestre, djorou etc to qualify for ucl over and over again
Just tell me any okay defenders we have during wengay last 10 years era, let's start from there
Even the likes of kos,vamelean are just there

Roland17:


You are still on this agenda ba? Despite showing you proof that we went for 2 top AM during that window and it fell through, not because of money but family issues with the players involved. Since then you still carry this Gabriel matter for head to buttress your agenda. Like him or hate him, Gabriel has been a good signing a d has proven to be the best in that position thus far.

I don’t think anyone will dispute your thoughts that we should revamp our midi field but using Gabriel as a scapegoat is wrong. Like @BlueRayDick said, in that same transfer we signed T. Partey, resigned Ceballos.. So what’s the deal here..Did the club not approach 2 AMs? Baba, na wa oh..
You forget say we argue so tey we do the math and it did not add up on your side? Including Gabriel’s weekly wages!

This is how you guys will twist this argument to mean I hate Gabriel,(where did I scape goat Gabriel) same way Guen fans twisted me questioning why Emery keeps featuring Guen ahead of others as hating Guen.

On the contrary it’s you guys that are scapegoating Mustaffi and Luiz for the shambolic midfield. Cos if we are to go by the metrics you guys used in nailing those two then Gabriel achieved the feat in less appearances than them and he didn’t even suffer the misfortune of playing behind a midfield of Willock, Guen and Xhaka.

I’m done, if you guys can’t read post to understand and not out of context there’s nothing I can do to help.

iamoyindamola:

Wengay have used senderos,squillaci,silvestre, djorou etc to qualify for ucl over and over again
Just tell me any okay defenders we have during wengay last 10 years era, let's start from there
Even the likes of kos,vamelean are just there

Is it a coincidence that since the decline in quality in our midfield our result and European status has nosedived greatly?

kokanepyramid:

This is how you guys will twist this argument to mean I hate Gabriel,(where did I scape goat Gabriel) same way Guen fans twisted me questioning why Emery keeps featuring Guen ahead of others as hating Guen.

On the contrary it’s you guys that are scapegoating Mustaffi and Luiz for the shambolic midfield. Cos if we are to go by the metrics you guys used in nailing those two then Gabriel achieved the feat in less appearances than them and he didn’t even suffer the misfortune of playing behind a midfield of Willock, Guen and Xhaka.

I’m done, if you guys can’t read post to understand and not out of context there’s nothing I can do to help.

I no gree! No be you still carry agenda come anytime when Gabriel collect red card? Receipt still full here..Whenever we lost and Gab was in the lineup, you no dey gree the guy rest. You undervalued his achievements including months when he was nominated player of the month and made team of the week.
Mustafi’s case is known.. Ask the Bundesliga where he is anointed the worst signing last season.. Where is he now? Abi you no follow watch Mustafi?

I have told you severally that I have not disagreed with your thoughts that we should update and improve our midfield but my grouse with you is the scapegoating of Gabriel. Don’t even deny it…

Roland17:


I no gree! No be you still carry agenda come anytime when Gabriel collect red card? Receipt still full here..Whenever we lost and Gab was in the lineup, you no dey gree the guy rest. You undervalued his achievements including months when he was nominated player of the month and made team of the week.
Mustafi’s case is known.. Ask the Bundesliga where he is anointed the worst signing last season.. Where is he now? Abi you no follow watch Mustafi?

I have told you severally that I have not disagreed with your thoughts that we should update and improve our midfield but my grouse with you is the scapegoating of Gabriel. Don’t even deny it…

That’s why you should read with an open mind so you can understand.
If I did that with Gabriel, it’s to buttres my stand that defence is not the main issue of the team. Haven’t I said it here that if you like buy 2 VVDs if they play behind Xhaka and Guen and our shambolic midfield setup they’ll look average?

What’s your point again?

Roland17:


I no gree! No be you still carry agenda come anytime when Gabriel collect red card? Receipt still full here..Whenever we lost and Gab was in the lineup, you no dey gree the guy rest. You undervalued his achievements including months when he was nominated player of the month and made team of the week.
Mustafi’s case is known.. Ask the Bundesliga where he is anointed the worst signing last season.. Where is he now? Abi you no follow watch Mustafi?

I have told you severally that I have not disagreed with your thoughts that we should update and improve our midfield but[b] my grouse with you is the scapegoating of Gabriel. Don’t even deny it[/b]…

Kokane has masters in scapegoating.
Baba did so on Guen throughout his stay sotay utd fan begin to wonder if he was that terrible or something. Thank God the boy has moved on to a better enviroment.

kokanepyramid:

Is it a coincidence that since the decline in quality in our midfield our result and European status has nosedived greatly?

With xhaka nothing for us

Fkhalifa:

Kokane has masters in scapegoating.
Baba did so on Guen throughout his stay sotay utd fan begin to wonder if he was that terrible or something. Thank God the boy has moved on to a better enviroment.

Which better environment did he move to, I thought y’all said the like of PSG, Real Madrid, Barca, NFL , F1 and WWE were jostling for his signature.

Fkhalifa:

Kokane has masters in scapegoating.
Baba did so on Guen throughout his stay sotay utd fan begin to wonder if he was that terrible or something. Thank God the boy has moved on to a better enviroment.

Na arteta and ebening cause all these wahala

kokanepyramid:

Which better environment did he move to, I thought y’all said the like of PSG, Real Madrid, Barca, NFL , F1 and WWE were jostling for his signature.

Na the psg off me
Guess who said it

kokanepyramid:

Which better environment did he move to, I thought y’all said the like of PSG, Real Madrid, Barca, NFL , F1 and WWE were jostling for his signature.

Marseille are in Europe, he has scored and assisted a goal in 3 games, The fans do not troll him like you did here for years, infact I read his fans responding Never to some Arsenal fans asking him to come save them from relegation. His National team coach invited him, his club coach starts him all game and his teammates show him love and support. Therefore, he is a better environment.

iamoyindamola:

Na arteta and ebening cause all these wahala

The board sef have the larger share....
I still cant forgive Emery for missing out on Carrasco, the lad has been balling hard for Atlectico and Begium since his return from China, How Arterta kept retaining Xhaka is a mystery, if we'd gotten those tranfer windows right, Arsenal would have been better.

iamoyindamola:

Wengay have used senderos,squillaci,silvestre, djorou etc to qualify for ucl over and over again
Just tell me any okay defenders we have during wengay last 10 years era, let's start from there
Even the likes of kos,vamelean are just there

The problem I always have posts like this is it doesn't put things into perspective. You are referring to an Era when we had Just 3 top teams we were competing with for a place in Europe.

Now we have Man city, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leicester city, Tottenham, Everton trying to book a place in Europe. These teams have had money pumped in over time.

What u know but may not admit is that those arsenal clowns u mentioned up there are only able to keep making wenger's team because the quality available all rounder in the league is not what u have today. This was the same period man utd had Phil Jones, Loserpool had Sakho, etc..... Now those teams have moved on to more quality players, Teams like man city have ditched clowns like Mangala....etc

Arsenal is not in Europe because Arsenal didn't move with the tide, Arsenal was left behind! While Everton, Tottenham, Leicester, Aston Villa, West Ham, etc were busy strengthening their teams, we were sleeping.

Trying to make this whole thing about Xhaka/the midfield alone is just all agenda and nothing more. Arsenal's problem goes beyond that.

Fkhalifa:

The board sef have the larger share....
I still cant forgive Emery for missing out on Carrasco, the lad has been balling hard for Atlectico and Begium since his return from China, How Arterta kept retaining Xhaka is a mystery, if we'd gotten those tranfer windows right, Arsenal would have been better.

Me i am telling you i was dreaming xhaka left for roma

iamoyindamola:

Me i am telling you i was dreaming xhaka left for roma

I gave up at his point, The money spent on Ramsdele, Tominsin and Whyte and money generated from Willock and Xhaka sales would have been spent on a very good AM, LW, CM and CF.

Fkhalifa:

I gave up at his point, The money spent on Ramsdele, Tominsin and Whyte and money generated from Willock and Xhaka sales would have been spent on a very good AM, LW, CM and CF.

Who's tomisin

iamoyindamola:

Who's tomisin

That Chinko boi

kokanepyramid:

That’s why you should read with an open mind so you can understand.
If I did that with Gabriel, it’s to buttres my stand that defence is not the main issue of the team. Haven’t I said it here that if you like buy 2 VVDs if they play behind Xhaka and Guen and our shambolic midfield setup they’ll look average?

What’s your point again?

If the emboldened is not classic scapegoating, I don’t know what is! I am happy we have progressed from denying it to this now. You still carry this agenda go say we no need Gabriel because Mari was better.. No be the same Mari we dey watch so?
Baba, once again, nobody, let me rephrase that, I have never been against updating our midfield but you are refusing to accept that during the window when we got Gabriel, we got midfielders. We went after 2 attacking midfielders and had an agreement with one, the other refused to join Arsenal. This window Lyon were aggressively shopping the guy , yet, no one buy am..

iamoyindamola:

Wengay have used senderos,squillaci,silvestre, djorou etc to qualify for ucl over and over again
Just tell me any okay defenders we have during wengay last 10 years era, let's start from there
Even the likes of kos,vamelean are just there

Oyinda, you are right, we qualified for Europe using some of those players but what happened after that? No be where we dey use Djorou, Mustafi dem and a declining Kos wen we chop 10-2 against Bayern? No be where we dey use Djorou dem we chop 8-2 for Manchester United hand? You don forget those cricket scores when top teams dey baff us naked with goals? The 6-0 wen we chop against Chelsea nko?

Roland17:


If the emboldened is not classic scapegoating, I don’t know what is! I am happy we have progressed from denying it to this now. You still carry this agenda go say we no need Gabriel because Mari was better.. No be the same Mari we dey watch so?
Baba, once again, nobody, let me rephrase that, I have never been against updating our midfield but you are refusing to accept that during the window when we got Gabriel, we got midfielders. We went after 2 attacking midfielders and had an agreement with one, the other refused to join Arsenal. This window Lyon were aggressively shopping the guy , yet, no one buy am..

Can you bring the post where I said Mari is better? I don’t even discuss Mari and hardly discuss defenders performance as it relates to this team cos as far as I am concerned they are not the main issue with this club at the moment.

If what you understand by that post is scapegoating Gabriel for the loss, then I can’t help with your thought process.

Cos I can never understand pointing out that when we have player X there was an issue when you replaced X with Y issue persists it means I’m scapegoating Y.

I’m out.

kokanepyramid:

Can you bring the post where I said Mari is better? I don’t even discuss Mari and hardly discuss defenders performance as it relates to this team cos as far as I am concerned they are not the main issue with this club at the moment.

If what you understand by that post is scapegoating Gabriel for the loss, then I can’t help with your thought process.

Cos I can never understand pointing out that when we have player X there was an issue when you replaced X with Y issue persists it means I’m scapegoating Y.

I’m out.

Baba, nobody dey follow you fight, na debate we dey debate.. after all Na you bring square shaped table with 3 legs wen we dey shake.
I no get power to dig, anyone wen get power fit help us dig through.

Roland17:


Baba, nobody dey follow you fight, na debate we dey debate.. after all Na you bring square shaped table with 3 legs wen we dey shake.
I no get power to dig, anyone wen get power fit help us dig through.

When arguments are without perspective it lingers unending. Even reading it self is tasking.

Roland17:


Oyinda, you are right, we qualified for Europe using some of those players but what happened after that? No be where we dey use Djorou, Mustafi dem and a declining Kos wen we chop 10-2 against Bayern? No be where we dey use Djorou dem we chop 8-2 for Manchester United hand? You don forget those cricket scores when top teams dey baff us naked with goals? The 6-0 wen we chop against Chelsea nko?

Yes but are we competing to win it or just qualify
That has always been our goal to qualify, but now we can't even qualify which is our argument.
Why try to improve or spend more on defense when the goals ain't achieved

Roland17:


Baba, nobody dey follow you fight, na debate we dey debate.. after all Na you bring square shaped table with 3 legs wen we dey shake.
I no get power to dig, anyone wen get power fit help us dig through.

Let's just this argument.

It is obvious that no matter what we say Kokaneprodigy and Iamoyindamola believe the club should've signed as many midfielders as the club can lay it's hands on, while Mustafi and the other defenders should've continued in the defence.

Myself, Spy360 and you believe the club did fair enough to get Partey and Gabriel to at least touch both the defensive and midfield issues we had prior to the beginning of last season.

At this point make all of us just agree with each other to avoid constant back and forth on a topic we obviously don't seem to agree on.(Whatever this means)

BlueRayDick:


Let's just this argument.

It is obvious that no matter what we say Kokaneprodigy and Iamoyindamola believe the club should've signed as many midfielders as the club can lay it's hands on, while Mustafi and the other defenders should've continued in the defence.

Myself, Spy360 and you believe the club did fair enough to get Partey and Gabriel to at least touch both the defensive and midfield issues we had prior to the beginning of last season.

At this point make all of us just agree with each other to avoid constant back and forth on a topic we obviously don't seem to agree on.(Whatever this means)

It’s called an IMPASSE, its legal and very much allowed

iamoyindamola:

Yes but are we competing to win it or just qualify
That has always been our goal to qualify, but now we can't even qualify which is our argument.
Why try to improve or spend more on defense when the goals ain't achieved

You may disagree but this is where Wenger should get the credit because we were punching above our weight. We had no business finishing 3rd/4th with those players when you consider the other teams we were competing against for top 4.
Remember during those consecutive UCL appearances where we finished 3rd/ 4th we had a horrible squad. Infact we were all begging for the club to spend but somehow, Wenger continued to use that same squad to not only qualify for the UCL but make it out of the group stages and into the Q-finals in some instances.

I want a situation where Arsenal will sign more midfielders, so we can have another Midfield wins you the league episode

Roland17:


You may disagree but this is where Wenger should get the credit because we were punching above our weight. We had no business finishing 3rd/4th with those players when you consider the other teams we were competing against for top 4.
Remember during those consecutive UCL appearances where we finished 3rd/ 4th we had a horrible squad. Infact we were all begging for the club to spend but somehow, Wenger continued to use that same squad to not only qualify for the UCL but make it out of the group stages and into the Q-finals in some instances.

Absolute truth. Couldn't have said it better.

Fkhalifa:
I want a situation where Arsenal will sign more midfielders, so we can have another Midfield wins you the league episode

There's still room?