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If you hear that USA is no more today,

Just know that liberalism and political correctness played it part.


A soul might need to juxtapose some of the ideas contains in this book to understand some of my point.
1. A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens
2. The Rise and Fall of Nations: Forces of Change in the Post-Crisis World by Ruchir Sharma.
3. Enlightenment, Revolution, and the Birth of Modern Nations by Thomas Paine

chloride6:
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I never said they weren't paid, I said the main motivation is to represent country..

Bro, forget am.

Football matter don pass ordinary motivation.

No footballer anywhere in the world is playing for ordinary motivation

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Waiting for this to happen in our darling country
I am not sure you understand what happened.
The case was thrown out in the courts. The us female team was not fighting for equal pay, they wanted more money.
Note female football makes much less because very few people watch it globally.

That’s very wrong. Men do more work and skill in soccer hence the games are quite different. Unless ur paying them based on individual skill?

ojasweb:
Good for them. Nothing bad in this because both genders are being rewarded for their work.

Men and women cannot get the say pay because men's football has more glitz, sponsors, TV rights, stamina, fans, viewers, skills and everything else that makes football what it is.

This should not be. You cannot pay women from proceeds of men's game. Wages of female footballers should be in line with the money generated from their games and merchandising. Men's game attracts more followers and sponsorship.

uche92:
No one bothers to do research anymore.

The US women's team has been brought in as much revenue or more (excluding World Cup pay) as the men's team over the last 6 years

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/jul/11/does-us-womens-soccer-team-bring-more-revenue-get-/

In an article that is specifically discussing proceeds from the World cup, how is this relevant pr insightful?

ValCon888:
This is a very stupid idea bereft of sense and logic.
Women's soccer and men's soccer do not generate equal revenue. Ergo, they shouldn't earn equal contracts.

Most people watch male soccer than femal soccer so offering equal contract is indirectly cheating the men.

Let's use Nigeria as an example; how many Nigerian women can beat their chest and say they watch Super Falcons? All they know is Telemundo and Zee World.

You make really good points.
I think the US Women’s national soccer team is a little unique in the sense that they win a lot of trophies and so can make the argument that they “deserve” equal pay despite not generating as much revenue as the US Men’s national soccer team which doesn’t really win at the global stage.

Topmaike007:
it will happen our girls are balling hard while our super chicken are nothing to write home about and yet they are earning far more than our girls...

Let's give the female folks chance in this our nation and see the major changes that will occur

Do you think football revenue is just all about balling hard?

Gamesmart:
Foolish feminist nonsense.

How can you pay same to 2 separates sporting competition where in one, the overall winner wins $4m, and in the second, even the lowest team earns $8m, talk less of those that go beyond the group stage?

God punish all these bastardd feminists!

I was expecting an intelligent person to see through the contract, but as usual, there are few smart people on this nairaland. The contact they proposed is a conditional one, that can only be fulfilled if FIFA puts the same prize on both competitions, which is totally impossible. The solidarity and pseudo contract are just theatrics to deflect the wroth of the feminists and avoid the frequent lawsuits.

Emmaomotob:
I was expecting an intelligent person to see through the contract, but as usual, there are few smart people on this nairaland. The contact they proposed is a conditional one, that can only be fulfilled if FIFA puts the same prize on both competitions, which is totally impossible. The solidarity and pseudo contract are just theatrics to deflect the wroth of the feminists and avoid the frequent lawsuits.

You are foolish!

So this your intelligence was so low that you could not see through my post that I never blamed or criticised the USSF?

Show me where I did.

So your low Baboon IQ makes you think "you are few smart people on this nairaland"?

Good news, problem will come if gate taking and tv right money cannot sustains the cash demand by the player.

I don't see any problems here. National teams are not really interesting to me especially when we are talking about American soccer. Why don't they make the salaries equal? Both make and female national teams are not popular or commercially successful.

This article does not specifically discuss World Cup revenue. It covers revenue from all avenues

SmartyPants:
In an article that is specifically discussing proceeds from the World cup, how is this relevant pr insightful?

uche92:
This article does not specifically discuss World Cup revenue. It covers revenue from all avenues

Maybe you wrote your own article and were reading that one in your head.

The US Soccer Federation has offered identical contracts to its men's and women's national teams in an attempt to resolve its gender pay dispute.

In May 2020, a lawsuit from the women's team for equal pay was dismissed by a judge, with an appeal pending.

The USSF says a single equal pay structure is "the best path forward".

The federation called on players and their unions for support in helping to "equalise" World Cup prize money, which is at the root of the teams' pay gap.

USSF president Cindy Parlow Cone said in an open letter on 10 September that "the massive discrepancy" in World Cup prize money is "by far the most challenging issue" in the negotiations with the teams.

"Until Fifa equalises the prize money that it awards to the men's and women's World Cup participants, it is incumbent upon us to collectively find a solution," she said.

The USSF has previously said women's World Cup bonuses cannot match those of the men because of huge differences in payments made to federations by Fifa for men's and women's tournaments.

"US Soccer will not agree to any collective bargaining agreement that does not take the important step of equalising Fifa World Cup prize money," a USSF statement said.

The United States won the Women's World Cup for the fourth time in France in 2019 and have claimed Olympic gold five times. The men's team failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia.

Prize money at the 2018 men's World Cup totalled $400m (£312m), with winners France receiving $38m (£29.7m). The prize fund for the 2019 Women's World Cup was $30m (£23.4m), with winners the United States receiving $4m (£3.1m).

The lawsuit from the women's team was filed by 28 women's national team players seeking $66m (£52.8m) in damages under the Equal Pay Act.

"This proposal will provide a revenue sharing structure that would allow all parties to begin anew and share collectively in the opportunity that combined investment in the future of US Soccer will deliver over the course of a new collective bargaining agreement," the USSF statement added.

The men's and women's unions are separate and have no obligation to bargain jointly or agree similar terms under US law.

If either party does not agree to a new deal, US Soccer says it will invite each union to sit in on negotiations for full transparency.

Can you point to a single mention of any revenue source other than Fifa prize money?

Actually this is very relevant. The US women won't the FIFA 2019 Women's World Cup taking home USD 4 million while the men's team did not qualify for the 2018 FIFA men's world cup.

MasterJayJay:
Your research is adulterated. Why exclude world cup?

Here you go. Note the US men's team did not even qualify for the 2018 men's World Cup while the women's team won the 2019 women's World Cup with a prize money gof USD 4 million

"Specifically, from 2016-18, the women’s team brought in $50.8 million in revenue, while the men’s team brought in $49.9 million. That’s a difference of less than 2% in the women’s favor.

Looking year by year, 2016 was actually the only year in which the women’s team generated more revenue from games — $24.11 million, compared to $22.24 million for the men. In 2017, both teams brought in about the same revenue at $14.61 million, and in 2018, the men’s team brought in $13 million compared to the women’s $12.03 million.

This pattern marked a reversal from prior years: In 2014 and 2015, the men’s team earned $8.31 million and $11.71 million more than the women’s team, respectively.

Beyond game revenue, U.S. Soccer brings in money through marketing and sponsorships; this category accounts for about half of the total revenues in recent years. Marketing and sponsorships, which includes the sale of broadcast rights, is hard to credit to either the men or women, because these transactions are made as a bundle, not separately for each team."

SmartyPants:
Maybe you wrote your own article and were reading that one in your head.



Can you point to a single mention of any revenue source other than Fifa prize money?

uche92:
Here you go. Note the US men's team did not even qualify for the 2018 men's World Cup while the women's team won the 2019 women's World Cup with a prize money gof USD 4 million

"Specifically, from 2016-18, the women’s team brought in $50.8 million in revenue, while the men’s team brought in $49.9 million. That’s a difference of less than 2% in the women’s favor.

Looking year by year, 2016 was actually the only year in which the women’s team generated more revenue from games — $24.11 million, compared to $22.24 million for the men. In 2017, both teams brought in about the same revenue at $14.61 million, and in 2018, the men’s team brought in $13 million compared to the women’s $12.03 million.

This pattern marked a reversal from prior years: In 2014 and 2015, the men’s team earned $8.31 million and $11.71 million more than the women’s team, respectively.

Beyond game revenue, U.S. Soccer brings in money through marketing and sponsorships; this category accounts for about half of the total revenues in recent years. Marketing and sponsorships, which includes the sale of broadcast rights, is hard to credit to either the men or women, because these transactions are made as a bundle, not separately for each team."

Mr Uche I said the article under discussion is specifically dealing with the topic of equality in payments from FIFA. These quotes are not from that article--therefore your immediate post which I replied to before this one, was clearly wrong--nor do they have anything to do with the subject matter.


That is because the subject matter is equality in FIFA revenue not sponsorships and marketing where there is already equality. Do you get it or still wish to meander?

This topic is about equality in contracts offered by USSF not FIFA. World Cup revenue is a component to that. My original response is to look at the actual revenue data for what both teams have earned over the last couple of years and make a case for the equality in contracts. Your response added no valuable feedback to that.

SmartyPants:
Mr Uche I said the article under discussion is specifically dealing with the topic of equality in payments from FIFA. These quotes are not from that article--therefore your immediate post which I replied to before this one, was clearly wrong--nor do they have anything to do with the subject matter.


That is because the subject matter is equality in FIFA revenue not sponsorships and marketing where there is already equality. Do you get it or still wish to meander?

uche92:
This topic is about equality in contracts offered by USSF not FIFA. World Cup revenue is a component to that. My original response is to look at the actual revenue data for what both teams have earned over the last couple of years and make a case for the equality in contracts. Your response added no valuable feedback to that.

What a silly thing to say. My response was not to add any "valuable feedback" on what you posted because what you posted was off-topic and itself, not valuable in the context of the discussion.

You obviously do not even understand the issues.

The aspect of inequality is in how prize money from FIFA is shared. The women want an overall equal share of all USSF revenue which inlcues the totality of FIFA prize money, regardless of which tournament the money comes from, whereas the equality that is offered by USSF is equality in terms, such that if a male player gets 10% of Fifa Mesn world cup revenue, a Women's player gets 10% of Fifa women's world cup revenue.

This case has already been thrown out at Court so if you want to understand it better, quit skimming off headlines and go read the actual Court Judgment and arguments by both sides.

No reason to get angry or offended here. This is just an online forum. Again my post is not on FIFA World Cup sharing formula. I am well acquainted with that topic.

My post and I reiterate again is with regards to the actual USSF contracts here which obviously USSF has seen value in equalizing both the men and women's pay.

SmartyPants:
What a silly thing to say. My response was not to add any "valuable feedback" on what you posted because what you posted was off-topic and itself, not valuable in the context of the discussion.

You obviously do not even understand the issues.

The aspect of inequality is in how prize money from FIFA is shared. The women want an overall equal share of all USSF revenue which inlcues the totality of FIFA prize money, regardless of which tournament the money comes from, whereas the equality that is offered by USSF is equality in terms, such that if a male player gets 10% of Fifa Mesn world cup revenue, a Women's player gets 10% of Fifa women's world cup revenue.

This case has already been thrown out at Court so if you want to understand it better, quit skimming off headlines and go read the actual Court Judgment and arguments by both sides.

uche92:
No reason to get angry or offended here. This is just an online forum. Again my post is not on FIFA World Cup sharing formula. I am well acquainted with that topic.

My post and I reiterate again is with regards to the actual USSF contracts here which obviously USSF has seen value in equalizing both the men and women's pay.

They are not equalizing their pay. I've explained it over and over but you don't want to get it.

In the original BBC article, it is clearly stated that the women have rejected the equal contract. Because an equal contract does not mean equal pay. And that is because of the FIFA element which you refuse to grasp.

Anyway.

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