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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Hezzyluv: 8:49am On Sep 19, 2021
Good
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by rajiedreez: 8:49am On Sep 19, 2021
You only checked the wages, what about the incomes. At least that's how you know if and organization is paying the fair share to workers or not
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by BlackyOne(m): 8:49am On Sep 19, 2021
First of all these pastors were not called by God, they simply went to theological school and graduated to become a graduate pastor that needs employment to survive as every regular Nigerians do.

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Aganju849: 8:51am On Sep 19, 2021
Church Zombie
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by PrinceMajestic: 8:52am On Sep 19, 2021
Christians the Fuckinn scammers idiots and part time Terrorists
Muslims the retards and full time terrorists
Both Nigeria's problems that must be wiped out for development of the country

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by AnalysisGuru: 8:52am On Sep 19, 2021
Stop pushing lies as narratives.
I worked in CU for a couple of years and i can tell you that those pastors are underpaid.
When you want them to work, you say it requires hard work, but when it is time to pay them, you say it is a ministry.
I can tell you of a senior Pastor in Canaan Land now that when he wanted to hire his P.A, he made sure the church was not the one that paid him but he paid the guy from his pocket because the church pay structure was rubbish and pathetically low.
I can give you names if you want.
How much are admin officers(Non-CU Graduates) in Covenant University paid?
How much are members of Staff of SBUs (Cafeteria, Shopping Mall etc) staff paid??
You say you are a big giver and a prosperity ministry but you cannot show the ministry of giving in how much you pay your workers.
You pay workers and church worker peanuts and say you are a giving ministry. Stop capping Nonsense abeg.
You people should reason with your head for once and stop being deceived.

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Jerrydox(m): 8:53am On Sep 19, 2021
Where did you get the stat from?
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by spinna: 8:56am On Sep 19, 2021
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by AngelicBeing: 9:05am On Sep 19, 2021
Hmmm
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by seborrhic: 9:06am On Sep 19, 2021
AnalysisGuru:
Stop pushing lies as narratives.
I worked in CU for a couple of years and i can tell you that those pastors are underpaid.
When you want them to work, you say it requires hard work, but when it is time to pay them, you say it is a ministry.
I can tell you of a senior Pastor in Canaan Land now that when he wanted to hire his P.A, he made sure the church was not the one that paid him but he paid the guy from his pocket because the church pay structure was rubbish and pathetically low.
I can give you names if you want.
How much are admin officers(Non-CU Graduates) in Covenant University paid?
How much are members of Staff of SBUs (Cafeteria, Shopping Mall etc) staff paid??
You say you are a big giver and a prosperity ministry but you cannot show the ministry of giving in how much you pay your workers.
You pay workers and church worker peanuts and say you are a giving ministry. Stop capping Nonsense abeg.
You people should reason with your head for once and stop being deceived.
In all these your epistle u never stated the salary all these category of staff you mentioned are paid that you call peanuts,despite claiming to know too much.

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Standing5(m): 9:09am On Sep 19, 2021
Aufbauh:
Op, the parameter that you should have used for your analysis to be fair is to tell us how much Living Faith Church is making annually.

For example an organization can not be earning up to hundreds of billion annually and has a paltry wage bill of just 10B. That's not equity! Even secular States still shell out 70-80% of their earning to recurrent expenditure.
some years back, a pastor of winners was kidnapped while on philanthropy mission in borno. The commission pays lecturers, secondary school teachers, older pastors. There are welfare to widows and orphans o. Stop asking jealousy questions please.
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Kidandp: 9:11am On Sep 19, 2021
I attend the Church and I am not here to agree or disagree but point out some misinformation.

1. First of all full time Pastors are not permitted to have another job, yes some of them do side businesses and cash out but one of the oath taken was to give full attention to it

2. Pastoring in a Ministry like Winners transcends beyond the sunday mornings and few evenings you stated. You are having a laugh if you feel it starts and ends with just coming to the pulpit to preach.
Knowing a man like Bishop Oyedepo, you feel he will put anyone on full time salary if all they do is just come twice a week to speak for 45mins?

3. They are expected to report full time in the office from 5.30am when convenant hours of prayer starts till evening (so much for farming)

4. You seem to forget occassions like the 21 days annual prayer and fasting where for 21 days straight there are engaging all day, which farmer leaves their farmland for 3 weeks

5. You seem to forget 95% of them are family men with children, who within 3 years some even 1 or 2are whipped up from a particular location and sent to another. New rentage, school fees for new school, wife can only do a business (better off not getting a store, probably mobile kind)because of the moving around. The church only pays 50% of the rentage of the first year you move to a new place. The others are your problem

6. For smaller especially rural churches, RF decided by Area Pastor might not be able to cater the needs, any additional needs come from your pocket. Depends on the location and district, the politics going on there can frustrate you.

7. Your congregational numbers are used to guage whether or not full time security is allowed. If it is a small church, full time security comes from your pocket. If you have none and you get robbed, replacement comes from your own pocket

8. My cousin was in a war torn area in Cameroon in 2018 due to heavy politics received no help from the district. He was not transferred for years, due to heavy politics, some pastors were transferred. He was living in lack, my dad here in Nigeria catered to him and his family

9. This is a crucial point, unless you are a pastor, you are not in a place to determine whether or not the salary is enough unless it is coming from a point that is not triggered by 'pre-conceived assumption' of wearing suit, coming to pulpit just twice a week, so everything is rosy and easy. You think running a big Ministry like LFC which is in sync to a large extent is a child's play?. The ministry is a wealthy one, this is a fact but that does not translate to wealthy Pastors. My former work place, company was rich, my bosses had houses in Washington DC but I a senior employee was living in peanuts. I thank Jesus everyday from taking me out of there.

Happy Sunday

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by signz: 9:12am On Sep 19, 2021
Crossroad1:
Nothing stops a pastor from being an entrepreneur..
In fact, it seems entrepreneur are tailored for them cos they will enough time to focus..

Faith without work is a dead faith...
If I happens to be a pastor, I will go into large scale farming.. You can even take a loan from the church or they aid you..
The proceed can be used to feed needy church member and take care of your family conveniently....
When you make your money, other people's money no go enter your eye and you will be proud of yourself

I concur 100%

A calling without a Profession will turn you to a nuisance - Pastor Tunde Bakare

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by bravehost4u(m): 9:12am On Sep 19, 2021
judedwriter:


You are 100% right.

I notice for some time now whenever I soak myself in God's Word and power, I am favoured financially.

Even when I was poorly paid back then as an employee pastor, I was very frustrated and almost gave up my calling.

But glory be to God, God's blessings are not determined by our income.

I love your last sentence
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by ipobarethieves: 9:18am On Sep 19, 2021
angry A laborer deserve his wage so says the good book.Young man! U are confused sad,u have nobody to tell u dis BITTER truth.Does
it mean u nor go collect salary if u work in his vineyard? Landlord never trowey Ur Ghana must GO bags outside,remof Ur window before
Righteousness2:
The Fact is a Pastor that Depends on Salary from Church does not know nor understand his call.

Secondly, a Pastor who is so Money Concious in Ministry will hardly see money. Money will put on its wings and Fly.

What a Pastor Needs to pursue is GOD. Pursue God and be Soaked in His Power.
Pursue GOD and Get Heaven's attention..

Once you are Carrier of GOD'S authentic Word and Power, People will Fight to Favor you.
People will Line up to Bless you.

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by signz: 9:20am On Sep 19, 2021
Kidandp:
I attend the Church and I am not here to agree or disagree but point out some misinformation.

1. First of all full time Pastors are not permitted to have another job, yes some of them do side businesses and cash out but one of the oath taken was to give full attention to it

2. Pastoring in a Ministry like Winners transcends beyond the sunday mornings and few evenings you stated. You are having a laugh if you feel it starts and ends with just coming to the pulpit to preach.
Knowing a man like Bishop Oyedepo, you feel he will put anyone on full time salary if all they do is just come twice a week to speak for 45mins?

3. They are expected to report full time in the office from 5.30am when convenant hours of prayer starts till evening (so much for farming)

4. You seem to forget occassions like the 21 days annual prayer and fasting where for 21 days straight there are engaging all day, which farmer leaves their farmland for 3 weeks

5. You seem to forget 95% of them are family men with children, who within 3 years some even 1 or 2are whipped up from a particular location and sent to another. New rentage, school fees for new school, wife can only do a business (better off not getting a store, probably mobile kind)because of the moving around. The church only pays 50% of the rentage of the first year you move to a new place. The others are your problem

6. For smaller especially rural churches, ROI decided by Area Pastor might not be able to cater the needs, any additional needs come from your pocket. Depends on the location and district, the politics going on there can frustrate you.

7. Your congregational numbers are used to guage whether or not full time security is allowed. If it is a small church, full time security comes from your pocket. If you have none and you get robbed, replacement comes from your own pocket

8. My cousin was in a war torn area in Cameroon in 2018 due to heavy politics received no help from the district. He was not transferred for years, due to heavy politics, some pastors were transferred. He was living in lack, my dad here in Nigeria catered to him and his family

9. This is a crucial point, unless you are a pastor, you are not in a place to determine whether or not the salary is enough unless it is coming from a point that is not triggered by 'pre-conceived assumption' of wearing suit, coming to pulpit just twice a week, so everything is rosy and easy. You think running a big Ministry like LFC which is in sync to a large extent is a child's play?. The ministry is a wealthy one, this is a fact but that does not translate to wealthy Pastors. My former work place, company was rich, my bosses had houses in Washington DC but I a senior employee was living in peanuts. I thank Jesus everyday from taking me out of there.

Happy Sunday

My guess is your Cousin isn't from the South West?
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Kidandp: 9:23am On Sep 19, 2021
signz:


My guess is your Cousin isn't from the South West?

Not like I am encouraging your agenda Lol but I will state the truth. He is actually not but he is from the South South, Delta State to be precise
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by ikaboy: 9:23am On Sep 19, 2021
Righteousness2:
The Fact is a Pastor that Depends on Salary from Church does not know nor understand his call.

Secondly, a Pastor who is so Money Concious in Ministry will hardly see money. Money will put on its wings and Fly.

What a Pastor Needs, is to pursue is GOD. Pursue God and be Soaked in His Power.
Pursue GOD and Get Heaven's attention..

Once you are Carrier of GOD'S authentic Word and Power, People will Fight to Favor you.
People will Line up to Bless you.


But the moment you carry such grace and anointing, your superiors and GO feels threatened and want to bring you down.
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Righteousness2(m): 9:26am On Sep 19, 2021
ikaboy:



But the moment you carry such grace and anointing, your superiors and GO feels threatened and want to bring you down.

Ministry is GOD'S Business.
Focus on the Ministry GOD called you to. Ignore the Distractors. GOD knows how to deal with them.

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Truefaith: 9:32am On Sep 19, 2021
Isn't how much what the church teaches aligns with the doctrines of the Bible the better issue to consider?

Or can men change God's mind on Who He is or how we may get to God?


The Living Faith church says men can teach anything they like as the truth: the Bible says only evil men say such things.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB6F4fEzLo8



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADYmeBxm66s
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by airsaylongcome: 9:35am On Sep 19, 2021
These reasons are laughable
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Aufbauh(m): 9:39am On Sep 19, 2021
Standing5:
some years back, a pastor of winners was kidnapped while on philanthropy mission in borno. The commission pays lecturers, secondary school teachers, older pastors. There are welfare to widows and orphans o. Stop asking jealousy questions please.

Jealous about who particularly?? Naay...., We are all in different field of endeavour and I've never wished to be a full-time pastor talk more of owning a Church.
All I'm saying is that the right thing should be done, for a labourer is worthy of his wages.

Welfare to widows, orphans etc should be a social responsibility of the church. Even individuals and secular organizations engage in same.

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Standing5(m): 9:49am On Sep 19, 2021
Aufbauh:


Jealous about who particularly?? Naay...., We are all in different field of endeavour and I've never wished to be a full-time pastor talk more of owning a Church.
All I'm saying is that the right thing should be done, for a labourer is worthy of his wages.

Welfare to widows, orphans etc should be a social responsibility of the church. Even individuals and secular organizations engage in same.
stop quoting scriptures carelessly. Is the labourer worthy of agreed wages or some phantom industry standard wage. As long as the labourer was aware of wages before agreeing to labour under the ministry and he isn't owed.
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by DrDax: 9:54am On Sep 19, 2021
Aufbauh:
Op, the parameter that you should have used for your analysis to be fair is to tell us how much Living Faith Church is making annually.

For example an organization can not be earning up to hundreds of billion annually and has a paltry wage bill of just 10B. That's not equity! Even secular States still shell out 70-80% of their earning to recurrent expenditure.

Is it not foolishness to have recurrent expenditure at 70 - 80%?

No wonder we are where we are.
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Kidandp: 9:59am On Sep 19, 2021
Crossroad1:
Nothing stops a pastor from being an entrepreneur..
In fact, it seems entrepreneur are tailored for them cos they will enough time to focus..

Faith without work is a dead faith...
If I happens to be a pastor, I will go into large scale farming.. You can even take a loan from the church or they aid you..
The proceed can be used to feed needy church member and take care of your family conveniently....
When you make your money, other people's money no go enter your eye and you will be proud of yourself

Which Church will give you loan, the LFC I attend or the one in Krypton? If you ever decide to go into full time Ministry hoping a Church will aid you or loan you for a business do not choose LFC. It is a full time job, the faith work done is the seeking of the kingdom of God and righteousness and every other thing is to be added unto them. Matt 6.33 is our anchor scripture since 2015.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with the original post, I am only countering your submission on load, aid and faith without works. The Pastors on salary are the full time ones and in a branch they usually one or two of such unless the head quarters.
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by KingOfAmebo(m): 10:08am On Sep 19, 2021
HigherEd:
1) 10 Billion Naira Annual Wage Bill Is A Huge Financial Responsibility.

The Living Faith church established 16,000 churches in rural communities across the country in addition to the already established 10,000 churches it has across the globe. A quick calculation shows that N53,000 gross multiplied by 16,000 new Pastors amounts to an addition of N848, 000, 000 per month. In a year that amounts to N10, 178, 000, 000.

This is huge money for a non profit to shell out of her pocket. Especially considering the fact that Living Faith still has to subsidize all her non profit universities and secondary schools to the tune of billions every new year.

2) Pastorate Work Is Different.

Anyone taking up a pastorate job needs to realize it is different from taking a bank job.
For one, your mandatory attention is only on Sunday and some late night or early morning services, plus your scheduled outreaches.
You have other time you can still use to do farming or any other freelance job. Therefore, you shouldn't be surprised that the perks available for a 9 - 5, five days a week aren't available.

"...But the offering, tithe, project donations, first fruits basket is FINER, reason Oyedepo owns 4 private jets at the expenses of the numerous cheerful givers in his church.

I can't imagine donating money to build a School yet can't afford to send my kids to the same school I donated to build...no be juju be that?". - Village People spokesperson.

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Aufbauh(m): 10:14am On Sep 19, 2021
Standing5:
stop quoting scriptures carelessly. Is the labourer worthy of agreed wages or some phantom industry standard wage. As long as the labourer was aware of wages before agreeing to labour under the ministry and he isn't owed.

Between you and I, who's heretical? Where in the Bible did you read 'agreed wages'?
As usual with the herd mentality, you wants to add to what suit your narrative.

FYI, I'm only concern about good salary package that suit the work done whether in Christendom or secular.

You can spend all day defending your GO and GS for all I care. Some of us have outgrown blind loyalty and 'sheeple' mentality predominant in today's church cus we've seen and known better.
If I tell you that i was sent to the mission field as a pastor 26 yes ago I know you won't believe it. So be thoughtful when engaging people online.
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by Willie2015: 10:26am On Sep 19, 2021
Righteousness2:
The Fact is a Pastor that Depends on Salary from Church does not know nor understand his call.

Secondly, a Pastor who is so Money Concious in Ministry will hardly see money. Money will put on its wings and Fly.

What a Pastor Needs, is to pursue is GOD. Pursue God and be Soaked in His Power.
Pursue GOD and Get Heaven's attention..

Once you are Carrier of GOD'S authentic Word and Power, People will Fight to Favor you. Your Words will Produce results in People's lives.
People will Line up to Bless you.

Most of these folks are in ministry...
Cos of the monthly salary ...and other perks...
They are not ready to burn for God.....


“Light yourself on fire with passion and people will come from miles to watch you burn.”
John Wesly

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by crafteck(m): 10:29am On Sep 19, 2021
They can easily announce how much they pay out but they are not going to talk about how much they get paid from tithes and offerings shocked
Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by EndBuhariNow(m): 10:37am On Sep 19, 2021
Imaging having 26,000 factories in those rular areas, people will not be complaining of poverty in the land...

Looters

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Re: Why The Living Faith Church Salary Is Fine by marvel2011(m): 10:50am On Sep 19, 2021
HigherEd:
1) 10 Billion Naira Annual Wage Bill Is A Huge Financial Responsibility.

The Living Faith church established 16,000 churches in rural communities across the country in addition to the already established 10,000 churches it has across the globe. A quick calculation shows that N53,000 gross multiplied by 16,000 new Pastors amounts to an addition of N848, 000, 000 per month. In a year that amounts to N10, 178, 000, 000.

This is huge money for a non profit to shell out of her pocket. Especially considering the fact that Living Faith still has to subsidize all her non profit universities and secondary schools to the tune of billions every new year.

2) Pastorate Work Is Different.

Anyone taking up a pastorate job needs to realize it is different from taking a bank job.
For one, your mandatory attention is only on Sunday and some late night or early morning services, plus your scheduled outreaches.
You have other time you can still use to do farming or any other freelance job. Therefore, you shouldn't be surprised that the perks available for a 9 - 5, five days a week aren't available.
Your statistics are not just correct. You have forgotten that some of the local churches included in your 16,000 churches are pastors who do not receive salaries while the salaries are only meant for state churches and some full-time pastors.

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