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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by mrvitalis(m): 7:54am On Sep 24, 2021
Terrier99:


Orji Kalu is a wannabee. Rochas was the real deal who could get you bloc votes in the North and South. Unfortunately, you people were slapping him in public and handcuffing him.
When you are ready, present a leader. Till then, go and sit down.
Malami 2023 is fixed

U don't need igbos to make Igbo man president ...obj n yaradua lost their zones yet won

North till Nigeria breaks

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Latakia(f): 7:54am On Sep 24, 2021
The jokes is on IPOB they believed every region reason and have the same onion brain like them. In 1993 Abiola defeated Tofa in his polling. The core north will never vote a candidate with questionable character not to talk of one that doesn't perform. They don't have the brains of Abians where kerosene and insulting Buhari and Tinubu is use to measure performance in office.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Terrier99: 7:55am On Sep 24, 2021
Lovenorth:

Since that is always the case why is the panic? You mean Buhari didn't defeat Oga Jona? We are going to teach you a lesson in the coming presidential election, watch and see

In 2015, the North voted for Buhari, yet he lost.
Buhari has been winning in the North without winning the Presidency. He contested 3 times and cried like a bushbaby the 3rd time. It was when the South West came to his rescue that he won.

2023, you Northerners will smell pepper.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by PIMPAR: 7:55am On Sep 24, 2021
Believe the Op at your own peril. Immediately PDP zones their ticket to Atiku, the anyhow Belle face will be the first to tell you, 1000000 reasons to vote Atiku

Tonye is never a stable person

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by marvel2real: 7:56am On Sep 24, 2021
we the north central are the swing state but successive government marginalized us as if we are less Nigerians than others.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by PIMPAR: 7:57am On Sep 24, 2021
Terrier99:


In 2015, the North voted for Buhari, yet he lost.
Buhari has been winning in the North without winning the Presidency. He contested 3 times and cried like a bushbaby the 3rd time. It was when the South West came to his rescue that he won.

2023, you Northerners will smell pepper.
So the North didn't vote for Buhari in 2015? Which kind confusion be this
Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Terrier99: 7:57am On Sep 24, 2021
mrvitalis:

Malami 2023 is fixed

U don't need igbos to make Igbo man president ...obj n yaradua lost their zones yet won

North till Nigeria breaks

You see why I said you Igbos reason politically upside down. Malami can't even win Kebbi where he comes from.
North will keep ruling you in Igboland till you get sense. Afterall, Mustapha Umahi and Aliyu Uzodinma are already using you to do what the North wants.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by cromz(m): 7:57am On Sep 24, 2021
A peter Obi/Bukola saraki or Bukola saraki/peter Obi PDP candidacy will guarantee them the presidency.
Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Terrier99: 7:59am On Sep 24, 2021
PIMPAR:

So the North didn't vote for Buhari in 2015? Which kind confusion be this

That was in 2011, pardon the error in year.
The North always voted for Buhari and he had a consistent streak of losing. He was losing with his 12M votes.
Afterall, North voted against GEJ in 2011 and he won.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by mrvitalis(m): 8:00am On Sep 24, 2021
Terrier99:


You see why I said you Igbos reason politically upside down. Malami can't even win Kebbi where he comes from.
North will keep ruling you in Igboland till you get sense. Afterall, Mustapha Umahi and Aliyu Uzodinma are already using you to do what the North wants.
That's the point....north rulers = stronger biafra agitation

If Nigeria can't allow equity n justice let north keep ruling
Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Terrier99: 8:01am On Sep 24, 2021
cromz:
A peter Obi/Bukola saraki or Bukola saraki/peter Obi PDP candidacy will guarantee them the presidency.

Sure banker to lose.
Saraki can't get Northern votes and he can't get southern votes. The North feels he's not Northern enough, the South feels he's not Southern enough.
Peter Obi on the other hand can't even galvanise votes from his Anambra state not to talk of the entire Igboland.

Obi Cubana will get more votes in Igboland than Peter Obi.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Terrier99: 8:03am On Sep 24, 2021
mrvitalis:

That's the point....north rulers = stronger biafra agitation

If Nigeria can't allow equity n justice let north keep ruling

Where has your Biafran agitation gotten you?

You sit in Kano, Lagos and Abuja shouting that you want Biafra. Stay there, they will carry Biafra to come meet you in Kano.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by CR777: 8:07am On Sep 24, 2021
post=106117900:

A better Nigeria all around is all we want.
A better Nigeria all around is what we shall encounter.
Nigeria will succeed.
God bless Nigeria.


Starboy and Zulum for 2023.


Our own @[/b] be say : STARBOY & Zulum for 2023.

Osinbajo, The great Man.

Our own @[b]
be say : STARBOY and ZULUM all da Way.

Come 2023 BGG,
STARBOY and ZULUM we dey for una.
Whether the evil ones like it or not,
Nigeria will succeed.


Our Combo is actually a well selected great Combo to move our nation forward.
That being said,,
Chief Topmaike,
We no too know about this APC revalidation tin o.
We are not actually a card carrying member of any political party in Nigeria.
The only 2 guys we love in Naija politics are our darling Daddy and his amiable Vice.
Now, Zulum has joined the rank.
We only go to the polls on election day to cast our votes for good, honest men that meant well for the nation, no matter the party they are.
And you don't have to be a party member to do that.

But in the past one month, we have noticed how all the top big wigs and non-politicians alike are all joining APC in their various Constituencies, from Governors, to Businesses owners and Entrepreneurs.
We are looking and researching about the good ones among them already.


We sane, good, honest and hardworking Nigerians will do all in our power to make this Combo work.
That is why we all must come together.

Nigeria will be great again in our lifetime


We Love him too.
Only fraudsters, criminals, thieves and losers in life don't like him obviously cool.
The same nuisances that do not like sane, good and honest members here.
Two time losers.

God bless our amiable Vice president Prof Yemi Osinbajo.
God bless Nigeria.

Our own @[/b] be say : [b]STARBOY and ZULUM all da Way.

Come 2023 BGG,
STARBOY and ZULUM we dey for una.
Whether the evil ones like it or not,
Nigeria will succeed.


We sane, good, honest and hardworking Nigerians will do all in our power to make this Combo work.
That is why we all must come together.

Nigeria will be great again in our lifetime

PYO : Man of the people.... Sane people we mean.
Sane, honest and hardworking Nigerians. kiss


Now, clap for yasef undecided


God bless you too crucial gem
You are truly a rare gem on this forum.

U go quote the whole posts of people and still end up not making sense. Mtchewwww

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Terrier99: 8:07am On Sep 24, 2021
marvel2real:
we the north central are the swing state but successive government marginalized us as if we are less Nigerians than others.

Now, someone who understands politics is talking.

You guys made GEJ President in 2011, you made Buhari President in 2015.
The problem you guys have is 2 things. No central rallying figure. Also, you don't negotiate collectively.
Taraba, Kogi, Plateau, Benue always determines who wins.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by ObalaEmma: 8:10am On Sep 24, 2021
Terrier99:


You are from the SE. Since GEJ left office, have you ever seen him step the SE?
But he comes to the SW.
Your SE is a political liability and no party takes you seriously. Imagine PDP coming to Igboland to eat your food, drink your water and still working on zoning ticket to the North.
It doesn't matter we are Patriots and Nationalist. We don't play your tribal politics. When it comes to president, an Igbo man would vote anyone without much tribal sentiment as we have our people everywhere in the country. But Clamour for South president for Yoroubas after their treachery in 2015 will by highly resisted.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Terrier99: 8:10am On Sep 24, 2021
mrvitalis:

We hear u ...no wahala...let APC and PDP not field and Igbo candidate first then you would know why igbos are majority tribe ...u can rant all u want on nairaland

You are a political minorities, stop fooling yourselves. If you can't negotiate collectively and you are predictable, you are of no political value.
How many votes did Igbos give Peter Obi and Atiku in 2019?

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Terrier99: 8:11am On Sep 24, 2021
ObalaEmma:

It doesn't matter we are Patriots and Nationalist. We don't play your tribal politics. When it comes to president, an Igbo man would vote anyone without much tribal sentiment as we have our people everywhere in the country. But Clamour for South president for Yoroubas after their treachery in 2015 will by highly resisted.

Resisted by who? SE?
I laugh.
Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by mrvitalis(m): 8:11am On Sep 24, 2021
Terrier99:


Where has your Biafran agitation gotten you?

You sit in Kano, Lagos and Abuja shouting that you want Biafra. Stay there, they will carry Biafra to come meet you in Kano.
Agitation done come easily south Sudan took years, south Africa same

We are ready to do everything that would keep breaking nigeria apart ... voting fulanis us one
Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Terrier99: 8:14am On Sep 24, 2021
mrvitalis:

Agitation done come easily south Sudan took years, south Africa same

We are ready to do everything that would keep breaking nigeria apart ... voting fulanis us one

Good for you. After you vote fulanis, you establish ESN to fight fulanis. Confused people. grin
South Africans and South Sudanese stayed back to fight for freedom. If you want to break Nigeria, you all go back to your region and take the agitation seriously. You can't sit down in Okota or Sabon Gari and be fighting for Biafra.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Lugianostar(m): 8:17am On Sep 24, 2021
Nice piece i must say....!

It is good to evaluate your Strength, Weakness, Opportunity and Threat ( SWOT) in analysing your chances following the antecedence of past occurrance as this will give you an edge to plan better in knowing areas of concentration more than others you can leapfrog perse.

Now i see the fear of the Northern power brokers as candidate of choice to be a flag bearer for PDP will make or mar the party chances of clinging into power but Atiku is out of it as he doesn't have any thing to offer Nigerians except to go there to enrich himself as a selfish leader he is.

With the emergence of a credible candidate like Donald Duke or Oyosom Wike as PDP candidate considering the latter contributions to Northeast during the incessant terrorism attack by Boko haram he will have an edge.

Politics is a game played with not talking much but plotting your graph well by dotting your i's and crossing your t's.

God bless Nigeria ??

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Hamiltonii: 8:18am On Sep 24, 2021
Lovenorth:
The hardest and bitter truth is that no Southern candidate can beat the Northern candidate. If South wants to be president they must respect us to our satisfaction for us to vote for them. You can't disrespect me and expect my vote
Just like Buhari respects the South.
Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by ORIENTATION101: 8:18am On Sep 24, 2021
ObalaEmma:

It doesn't matter we are Patriots and Nationalist. We don't play your tribal politics. When it comes to president, an Igbo man would vote anyone without much tribal sentiment as we have our people everywhere in the country. But Clamour for South president for Yoroubas after their treachery in 2015 will by highly resisted.
you nyamiris think high of yourselfcheesy
The truth is you guys re bunch of moronic clowns and willing tools for politicians.
PDP votes in south west was till higher than the ones in south east in 2019.
2023 ipob will kill the remaining meagre votes no party in their right sense will zone either presidential ticket or vp slot to south east, because they know you guys should not be taken serious

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by mrvitalis(m): 8:19am On Sep 24, 2021
Terrier99:


Good for you. After you vote fulanis, you establish ESN to fight fulanis. Confused people. grin
South Africans and South Sudanese stayed back to fight for freedom. If you want to break Nigeria, you all go back to your region and take the agitation seriously. You can't sit down in Okota or Sabon Gari and be fighting for Biafra.
The last time I checked south east has over 15 million people plus igbos in south south that's over 20 million people in Igbo land when u guys talk u talk like all igbos abandoned igboland

Next ?

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by cromz(m): 8:20am On Sep 24, 2021
Terrier99:


Sure banker to lose.
Saraki can't get Northern votes and he can't get southern votes. The North feels he's not Northern enough, the South feels he's not Southern enough.
Peter Obi on the other hand can't even galvanise votes from his Anambra state not to talk of the entire Igboland.

Obi Cubana will get more votes in Igboland than Peter Obi.
Saraki is balance between south west and north central. Igbos will support their own whoever it is as long as he’s their son.
Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by mrvitalis(m): 8:20am On Sep 24, 2021
Terrier99:


You are a political minorities, stop fooling yourselves. If you can't negotiate collectively and you are predictable, you are of no political value.
How many votes did Igbos give Peter Obi and Atiku in 2019?
They gave peter obi more votes than what yorubas gave osibanjo net
Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Nobody: 8:21am On Sep 24, 2021
TonyeBarcanista:
2023: Debunking The Propaganda That Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North Under PDP Platform

By Tonye Barcanista

Nigeria is made of 36 states with the north and south each having 19 and 17 states respectively. The north also has FCT as added advantage in the equation.

In 2015, there was shift in power to the north when President Goodluck Jonathan (as then was) from Bayelsa state of Peoples Democratic Party suffered a historic defeat to General Muhammadu Buhari RTD of All Progressive Congress from Katsina state. Buhari assumed office as President on 29th May, 2015.

By May 2023, President Muhammadu Buhari is expected to conclude his 8 year presidential double terms, and the popular expectation, especially of southern extraction, is that the next president of the country in 2023 should come from the region.

Should the Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, accede the popular demand for the southern part of the country to produce the next President of Nigeria in 2023, the party will be one leg into the Presidential Villa in 2023 even before the election day because the south, which is the party's stronghold is guaranteed of giving block votes to their "son".

Contrary to concern of some stakeholders, which is fuelled by sections of the media, that the "north" will not vote for any candidate from the south under PDP, facts on ground show that a candidate from southern extraction is guaranteed to enjoy support in the entire Northcentral except Niger state, some parts of Northeast and Southern Kaduna part of Northwest. This is because the north, which is made of 19 states and FCT, is neither politically homogenous nor do they vote in same direction in any President contest.

NORTHCENTRAL
Since the return of democracy in 1999, all the six the states in the north central except Niger state have always voted in similar political direction. Specifically, Kwara, Kogi, Benue, Plateau, and Nasarawa states alongside FCT have always been aligned with candidates of PDP in Presidential elections.

In fact, in the 2003 and 2011 elections, these states resisted General Muhammadu Buhari movement and preferred southerners Chief Olusegun Obasanjo and Dr Goodluck Jonathan from Ogun and Bayelsa states respectively. In 2007 these states, like other states in the south, supported Umaru Musa Yar'adua against Muhammadu Buhari to actualise shift of power to the north after Obasanjo's term.

The 2015 election was the first time since 1999 that these Northcentral states voted against a PDP candidate due to the Boko Haram insurgency and propaganda that General Buhari of All Progressive Congress was coming with his military might to nip it to the bud. Sadly, Buhari, as president, only succeeded in worsening the woes of Northcentral people with rising spate of terrorism (banditry), Fulani herdsmen brigandage and ethnic cleansing of Indigenous tribes.

In 2023, I see no reason these Northcentral states (save Niger state) will not vote en-mass for Southern candidate under PDP platform going by their electoral tradition.

NORTHEAST:
The voting pattern of the six (6) states of Northeast, like other parts of the north, is heavily influenced by religious bias.

Areas like Taraba state, 60% Adamawa, Southern Gombe, Southern Bauchi and Southern Borno areas usually align with choices of electorates from the southern part of the country in any presidential election due to religion. In fact, they display strong preference for someone of Christian religion.

In Adamawa state, PDP has only lost Adamawa state on two occasions in any Presidential election since 1999, and that was when Musa Yar'adua (2007) and Goodluck Jonathan (2015) were flag bearers. Furthermore, Demsa, Ganye, Gayuk, Jada, Mayo-Belwa, Numan, Sheleng, Tungo, Lamurde LGAs in Adamawa south, Yola North, Yola South, Fufore, Girei and Gombi LGAs in Adamawa central, and Madagali and Michika in Adamawa North have always shown preference for Christian candidates from the southern part of Nigeria as witnessed in 2003, 2011 and even 2015 Presidential election. In 2011, Jonathan, without the support of Alhaji Atiku Abubakar, gave Buhari a resounding defeat in Adamawa state with 508,314 votes over 344,526 gotten by Buhari.

In Taraba state, not even the "Sai Baba" wave of 2015 could swing the state away from Goodluck Jonathan of PDP despite the Boko Haram insurgency. Taraba is one state that any candidate from Southern extraction is guaranteed of popular votes in any Presidential election.

In Gombe state, Katunga, Shungum, Billiri and Banaga local government areas are solid PDP stronghold and sure bet for a southern Christian candidate due to religious factor. This is in addition to other seven (7) local government areas where 30-35% are almost guaranteed for the southern PDP candidate. In this state, PDP is guaranteed a minimum 35-40% votes in Gombe state.

While states like Yobe, Bauchi and Borno may not be favorable to southern candidate of Christian religion due to religious influence, PDP is almost guaranteed of 25% valid votes.

NORTHWEST
Northwest Nigeria is likely the only geopolitical zone that may not be favorable to voting for candidate of the south.

Traditionally, all seven states in the Northwest usually tilt towards Muhammadu Buhari direction. Chief Obasanjo and Dr Goodluck Jonathan as incumbent Presidents fall short in this zone.

However there is respite for the PDP in Kaduna state. This is because areas such as Sanga, Zangon Kataf, Kaura, Kauru, Kachia, Jaba, Jema'a, Kajuru, Chikun and Kaduna South local government areas are sure bankers for PDP due to the predominant Christians in these areas. Historically, these areas have strong bias for Christian candidates. In 2015, despite the APC wave in the entire northwest, these areas massively supported President Jonathan, and gave PDP its only Senator in the entire zone. The areas make up about 49-52% votes of Kaduna state.

Going by the aforementioned facts, it will be foolhardy for anyone to continue to hold that presidential candidate from the south will not deliver victory to PDP in any part of northern Nigeria. On the contrary, PDP will find it challenging in 2023 should it present a candidate from the north to succeed incumbent President Buhari, a northerner himself.

Conclusively, the demand for the National Zoning Committee of PDP to zone the Presidential ticket of PDP to the south is a right step in the right direction.

Written by Tonye Barcanista Inioribo
PDP should just go and meet obi cubana, make him their presidential candidate and go to sleep.
The youth will do the rest
Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by tradepunter: 8:22am On Sep 24, 2021
post=106117900:

A better Nigeria all around is all we want.
A better Nigeria all around is what we shall encounter.
Nigeria will succeed.
God bless Nigeria.


Starboy and Zulum for 2023.


Our own @[/b] be say : STARBOY & Zulum for 2023.

Osinbajo, The great Man.

Our own @[b]
be say : STARBOY and ZULUM all da Way.

Come 2023 BGG,
STARBOY and ZULUM we dey for una.
Whether the evil ones like it or not,
Nigeria will succeed.


Our Combo is actually a well selected great Combo to move our nation forward.
That being said,,
Chief Topmaike,
We no too know about this APC revalidation tin o.
We are not actually a card carrying member of any political party in Nigeria.
The only 2 guys we love in Naija politics are our darling Daddy and his amiable Vice.
Now, Zulum has joined the rank.
We only go to the polls on election day to cast our votes for good, honest men that meant well for the nation, no matter the party they are.
And you don't have to be a party member to do that.

But in the past one month, we have noticed how all the top big wigs and non-politicians alike are all joining APC in their various Constituencies, from Governors, to Businesses owners and Entrepreneurs.
We are looking and researching about the good ones among them already.


We sane, good, honest and hardworking Nigerians will do all in our power to make this Combo work.
That is why we all must come together.

Nigeria will be great again in our lifetime


We Love him too.
Only fraudsters, criminals, thieves and losers in life don't like him obviously cool.
The same nuisances that do not like sane, good and honest members here.
Two time losers.

God bless our amiable Vice president Prof Yemi Osinbajo.
God bless Nigeria.

Our own @[/b] be say : [b]STARBOY and ZULUM all da Way.

Come 2023 BGG,
STARBOY and ZULUM we dey for una.
Whether the evil ones like it or not,
Nigeria will succeed.


We sane, good, honest and hardworking Nigerians will do all in our power to make this Combo work.
That is why we all must come together.

Nigeria will be great again in our lifetime

PYO : Man of the people.... Sane people we mean.
Sane, honest and hardworking Nigerians. kiss


Now, clap for yasef undecided


God bless you too crucial gem
You are truly a rare gem on this forum.

This one na to shout up and down.

What's shocking is how you beleive this forum is secured and safe.

You dimensionless talk can never wash off the pain and death of thousands of Nigerians have suffered in the hands of terrorist that have been given leeway covertly and overtly via organs of government.

This my friend drives highly efficient and professional people to take a cause to right the wrongs within their rules of engagement.

I will advice you release your feet from the peddle little by little because you are grossly underestimating the drive.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by BafanaBafana: 8:22am On Sep 24, 2021
North Central is a mystery to you guys. You can't understand it.
Till next elections before you understand

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Terrier99: 8:26am On Sep 24, 2021
cromz:
Saraki is balance between south west and north central. Igbos will support their own whoever it is as long as he’s their son.

Saraki's loss started from Ijebu Ode when be was publicly called a thief at the Ojúde Ọba Festival. If you think SW will vote Saraki, you don't know politics.

As for Peter Obi, he's a political liability in the SE. Last election, SE gave Obi 21.7% voter turnout.
Even Tony one week performed better when he was contesting.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by NakwansaPolice: 8:28am On Sep 24, 2021
mrvitalis:
Anything outside a south east presidency 2023 let the north keep rulling ...it's as simple as that

Infact let fulanis keep ruling it would be a win win for igbos
Gbam
Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Terrier99: 8:29am On Sep 24, 2021
mrvitalis:

They gave peter obi more votes than what yorubas gave osibanjo net

You can keep deceiving your ilk but the facts are everywhere. Peter Obi got 21.7% voter turnout. That is the lowest figure in the history of elections in this country.

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Re: 2023: Debunking The Propaganda That A Southern Candidate Will Lose In The North by Theunbothered: 8:30am On Sep 24, 2021
Lovenorth:
The hardest and bitter truth is that no Southern candidate can beat the Northern candidate. If South wants to be president they must respect us to our satisfaction for us to vote for them. You can't disrespect me and expect my vote

Buhari contested three times, twice against southerners and lost.

The only way you can win is by rigging.

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