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BKayy:
You want me to post pictures of Apams services riding horses in Enugu to claim Enugu once had a calvary?

If you can't answer the question, don't confuse yourself more.

I don't know if you are blind or you deliberately chose to ignore the two white people in the picture. One was mounting down near the man with big hat. The other is at the far right

Here is the Statue of Basorun Ogunmola on Horseback at Ibadan.He was an Accomplished Calvary leader and Horseman

The evidence. with which you gladly believed that Jubril El Sudan. Was the President ruling Nigeria was not half of this.

christistruth01:
Here is the Statue of Basorun Ogunmola at Ibadan. He was an Accomplished Calvary leader and Horseman

We have Statues of horses everywhere in "Nigeria"
One is even at Calabar, deep into the rain forest

BKayy:
Shameless lie

Just google
The more you elongate this the more you disgrace yourself

BKayy:
You want me to post pictures of Apams services riding horses in Enugu to claim Enugu once had a calvary?

If you can't answer the question, don't confuse yourself more.

I don't know if you are blind or you deliberately chose to ignore the two white people in the picture. One was mounting down near the man with big hat. The other is at the far right

I can't see no white people

So you're trying to say that white people brought horses from Europe and taught the soldiers how to ride?

You're not half as smart as I thought

theTranscriber:
Just google
The more you elongate this the more you disgrace yourself

Google to read more of you peoples lies.
If you talk about Fulani Horsemanship, the durbar of Sokoto will remind you.
Durbar of Kano will.
If you talk about Tuareg Camel Caravan, anyone that have lived in the far North will confirm to you how we see them in daily basis.

So why is you peoples own audio?
Why do you have to post a picture of people on three horses, of which a white man was riding one and another white man was holding one that someone dressed in Fulani/Tuareg veil mounted?

BKayy:
Madam please I want to understand something here.
When I went to Nupe land years ago, I met some Nupe people riding donkeys to farm. There it is common to see a Fulani Camel caravan because the Fulani live side by side with the Nupe people.
Same with Sokoto. On many occasions you see families known for their horsemanship. You'll see their horses being chartered for. Occasionally, we see Tuareg Camel caravan coming to trade in Nigeria.
In Borno, we saw rich families with their own horses.

So what happened to the Oyo or should I say Yoruba horsemanship?
Why is it that there is no trace of it in Yoruba land?

This is not about modernisation because even as developed as Dubai is, they still retain their ancient "falconry", camel racing and ownership.
So what happened to Oyo horsemanship?

I was going to express shock that an ?adult is asking this, but I would be kind to simply answer your question without judging your education background:

In the days of Oyo empire, Oyo-Ile wasn’t far from the Niger River in the savanna — NOT forest.

Since circa 1835, this capital was abandoned and the city moved down south into the forests of the central Yorùbáland in where Oyo is today.

Let me know if you’re able to see the answer in this reply. If not, I will dumb it down further.

It’s a pity.


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In addition to answering your question, is there any reason why the European accounts of the 1600s, 1700s, and 1800s are not sufficient for you as regards how the Oyo calavlry was ferocious, top notch in Africa, and strikes terror into the hearts of neighboring negros?

Cc: theTranscriber

BKayy:
We have Statues of horses everywhere in "Nigeria"
One is even at Calabar, deep into the rain forest

Ikoyi in Osun State was the Alaafin of Oyos Calavary Garrison Town.

My Great Grandfather who was the War Chief Basorun of Apomu next door to Ikoyi had Horses and my Grandmother and her Siblings rode on them

The Parakoyi was the Calvery Class of Oyo

Riding on a Horse is still an Important part of the Coronation of Many Yoruba Obas and War Chiefs

There is even a Yoruba name called Gbadegesin which means Carry the Crown on a Horse

theTranscriber:
I can't see no white people

So you're trying to say that white people brought horses from Europe and taught the soldiers how to ride?

You're not half as smart as I thought

Stop drinking Garri

BKayy:
Google to read more of you peoples lies.
If you talk about Fulani Horsemanship, the durbar of Sokoto will remind you.
Durbar of Kano will.
If you talk about Tuareg Camel Caravan, anyone that have lived in the far North will confirm to you how we see them in daily basis.

So why is you peoples own audio?
Why do you have to post a picture of people on three horses, of which a white man was riding one and another white man was holding one that someone dressed in Fulani/Tuareg veil mounted?

I can't see any white man
Many Yoruba people are light complexioned

I will disgrace you like I did in that ironsi regionalism thread
I dont have time yet

christistruth01:
Ikoyi in Osun State was the Alaafin of Oyos Calavary Garrison Town.

My Great Grandfather who was the War Chief Basorun of Apomu next door to Ikoyi had Horses and my Grandmother and her Siblings rode on them

The Parakoyi was the Calvery Class of Oyo

Riding on a Horse is still an Important part of the Coronation of Many Yoruba Obas and War Chiefs

There is even a Yoruba name called Gbadegesin which means

If your ancestors took part is such honorable expedition, you must have some horses with your family to signify that accomplishment.
So could you go to your stables and snap one of your magnificent Horse for us?

Liar

BKayy:
Stop drinking Garri

Put your Glasses on Bkayy it too early to be seeing double

theTranscriber:
I can't see any white man
Many Yoruba people are light complexioned

I will disgrace you like I did in that ironsi regionalism thread
I dont have time yet

Yes, many Yoruba people are so light in complexion that the picture potrayed them as chalks in human form wearing olden days monkey (overall) white suits.

You people eh?
I can't help the laughter. Funny people

BKayy:
Stop drinking Garri

Can you prove that those are white people?
They can be light skinned black people

They could be albino


Stop disgracing yourself

BKayy:
Yes, many Yoruba people are so light in complexion that the picture potrayed them as chalks in human form wearing olden days monkey (overall) white suits.

You people eh?
I can't help the laughter. Funny people

Can you prove that they are white people?
No
You're just like the rest of IPOB
Delusional and deranged

BKayy:
Of your ancestors took part is such honorable expedition, you must you some horses with your family to signify that accomplishment.
So could you go to your stables and snap one of your magnificent Horse for us?

Liar

Jealousy Kills

Doesn't every Yoruba Oba Carry a Horse tail called Irukere ?

Is it Possible for any Yoruba Basorun not to be an Accomplished Horseman ?

Or did you think the Oyo Army Got to Atakpame in Togo and defeated the Ashanti's without Horses?

Elose11:
It was the British historians such as professor Robin Law, swayed by Reverend Samuel Johnson’s pretentious history of the Yorubas, that invented the claim that by the 1860s, Oyo had become the greatest empire in precolonial Nigeria. However, all the earliest writers of Yoruba history such as the Danmasanin Katsina and Sultan Bello in the 1880s, never mentioned of the existence of any Oyo empire.




The first Europeans to visit Oyo itself, including captain Hugh Clapperton and the Lander brothers never recorded that Oyo was an empire and neither did they speak of any great empire in the Oyo vicinity.

In 1668, Olfert Dapper described the Benin kingdom in details, but never mentioned any nearby great Oyo kingdom. However, the first documented mention of Oyo was two years later in 1671.

For hundreds of years, no precolonial European map mentioned any Oyo kingdom, let alone Oyo empire, even though the same European maps repeatedly depicted the Benin, Zegzeg, Borno and other kingdoms of those days.



More importantly, there has not been any documented evidence to prove that Oyo once conquered its neighbors into and empire. Dahomey, Akure, Ile Ife, Ilesha, the Owu, Ijesha, the Egba, Ijebu, the Ondos, the Owo, the Ugho, the Ekiti and a host of others, were never part of any Oyo empire.

Instead, in 1793, the Portuguese resident Archibald Dalzel, wrote as a living witness, that the Oyo kingdom was part of the Nupe empire, and was still paying annual tributes to the Etsu Nupes at the end of the 18th century.

The question we should ask ourselves is, how could Oyo have been one of the greatest empires in precolonial Nigerian history by the 1690s, when over one hundred years later in the 1790s, it was still a small kingdom paying tributes to the Etsu Nupes?

https://news-af.feednews.com/news/detail/fa1282be2b062b14907289a5e44d82e2?client=news

This is bullshit there is a map from the 1700s that clearly details an empire called Eyoe in the northern Yoruba area and on top of that in the oral history of Ilorin and Dahomey the Oyo empire is a main part to the story this isn't about the little research tat you've done it is a fact that there was an Oyo empire but how far inland it was, how hostile to white people they were and the fact that the empire was already in its end due to the yoruba civil war in the mid 1800s when Europeans began venturing inland is why there was no sign of the Oyo empire but the simply presence of Oyo Igboho and the ruins of Oyo ile is enough evidence why would there be massive 10 meter tall walls, clear religious objects and artefacts found in Dahomey and Ilorin claimed to be from the sacked city of Oyo Ile if it never exusted?

BKayy:
Google to read more of you peoples lies.
If you talk about Fulani Horsemanship, the durbar of Sokoto will remind you.
Durbar of Kano will.
If you talk about Tuareg Camel Caravan, anyone that have lived in the far North will confirm to you how we see them in daily basis.

So why is you peoples own audio?
Why do you have to post a picture of people on three horses, of which a white man was riding one and another white man was holding one that someone dressed in Fulani/Tuareg veil mounted?

There was no white man only white cloth which is a main part of yoruba cultural festivals I mean look at the Osun festival everyone is wearing white and it's clear you don'tunderstand how photographs worked in the past with positives and negatives making some things whiter and other blacker

BKayy:
Is this supposed to be a question?
There are many lies parading themselves as history in Nigeria.
One of them is that Anna Pepple was an Ijaw man.
Another is the imaginary Oyo calvary which mysteriously dissappeared and left no trace of horse or horsemanship in not just in Oyo but the entire Yoruba land.

There was never an Oyo empire. All those things are lies.

So you've never seen the horse bones and skeletons found in and around major areas relating to the Oyo empire? Go and read the research done by Cambridge

BKayy:
You mean the Yorubas that were naked in 20th century?
Most parts of Yoruba land are still tying only wrapper today.

This is so stupid we both had clothes but in many cases we still walked around without shirts both groups had flourishing textile industries that thhe Europeans bought and talked about but yet somehow it is still an argument between these two groups that one didn't have clothes like are you guys are idiots?

BKayy:
LOL. You really want to compare your primitive people with those that literally wore money as clothes?

Like the Europeans noted "Igbo women are adorned with Ivory and copper bracelets and Anklets worth thousands of pounds"

That is millions of Naira for everyday clothing unlike you... What should I call you Yoruba people again?

There is that pic of teenage girls from Aro carnival you people like to post. The one they wear pounds of designed Ivory, copper and Silver. The girls are worth millions.

No be today we start to give black savages reason to hate
Igbo is not y'all mates

Literally everybody had clothes and brass and gold anklets or necklaces aren't igbo in origin even the Ijebus had these

TAO11:
I was going to express shock that an ?adult is asking this, but I would be kind to simply answer your question without judging your education background:

In the days of Oyo empire, Oyo-Ile wasn’t far from the Niger River in the savanna — NOT forest.

Since circa 1835, this capital was abandoned and the city moved down south into the forests of the central Yorùbáland in where Oyo is today.

Let me know if you’re able to see the answer in this reply. If not, I will dumb it down further.

It’s a pity.


—————
In addition to answering your question, is there any reason why the European accounts of the 1600s, 1700s, and 1800s are not sufficient for you as regards how the Oyo calavlry was ferocious, top notch in Africa, and strikes terror into the hearts of neighboring negros?

Cc: theTranscriber

You want to be smart by half but ended up making a comedy of an excuse.

You intend to use difference in adjacent biome as an excuse forgetting that according to your Oyo empire story, those places were part of the empire and the imaginary calvary sometimes or most times troop into those places staying days without anything happening to the imaginary horses.

So please come dumber than you already did.
I really want to see how dumb you can be than your initial form.

Abohboy:
Literally everybody had clothes and brass and gold anklets or necklaces aren't igbo in origin even the Ijebus had these

Proof or forever remain silent.
Bini man

BKayy:
Is this supposed to be a question?
There are many lies parading themselves as history in Nigeria.
One of them is that Anna Pepple was an Ijaw man.
Another is the imaginary Oyo calvary which mysteriously dissappeared and left no trace of horse or horsemanship in not just in Oyo but the entire Yoruba land.

There was never an Oyo empire. All those things are lies.

Till today Every Yoruba Oba Carries a Horse tail called Irukere as Part of his Royal Regalia

The fact that Your Ancestors didn't ride Horses doesn't mean nobody else did

Oduduwa 1000 years ago entered Ile Ife with his Army on Horseback

BKayy:
Madam please I want to understand something here.
When I went to Nupe land years ago, I met some Nupe people riding donkeys to farm. There it is common to see a Fulani Camel caravan because the Fulani live side by side with the Nupe people.
Same with Sokoto. On many occasions you see families known for their horsemanship. You'll see their horses being chartered for. Occasionally, we see Tuareg Camel caravan coming to trade in Nigeria.
In Borno, we saw rich families with their own horses.

So what happened to the Oyo or should I say Yoruba horsemanship?
Why is it that there is no trace of it in Yoruba land?

This is not about modernisation because even as developed as Dubai is, they still retain their ancient "falconry", camel racing and ownership.
So what happened to Oyo horsemanship?

The city of Oyo Ile was sacked dozens of times and tens of thousands of their soldiers were killed you really think that they'd be able to maintain a strong army after losing their capital dozens of times and on top of that several kings being killed majority of the army was killed during the yoruba civil war but there is evidence like the abundance of horse bones found in around the area that's supposed to encompass the region.

christistruth01:
Till today Every Yoruba Oba Carries a Horse tail called Irukere as Part of his Royal Regalia

It's a cow tail and the igbos do the same if we're arguing let it be truthfully

Abohboy:
So you've never seen the horse bones and skeletons found in and around major areas relating to the Oyo empire? Go and read the research done by Cambridge

Nike and Nsukka people used to and are still slaughtering and eating horse (ịnyịnya) so what is your point?

BKayy:
Proof or forever remain silent.
Bini man

How am I bini now? My father's name is Obiosa and his mother is from Anambra we're both from Ndokwa land and we consider ourselves igbo I am personally a Yoruba and Igbo person I have no allegiance to either tribe all I want is for the best and you said you wanted proof I will give you proof search Yoruba brass anklets and you will find the images our jewelry was different from that of the igbo but even we still had brass anklets and necklaces

Abohboy:
It's a cow tail and the igbos do the same if we're arguing let it be truthfully

All Yoruba Obas Carry a Horse Tail

BKayy:
Nike and Nsukka people used to and are still slaughtering and eating horse (ịnyịnya) so what is your point?

How do you know that they've been eating these horses for hundreds of years? Horses cannot survive in the forest region because of the tsetse fly which is why the Oyo empire was predominantly based in the Savanna where they were safe and were most effective anyways here's another image of the Oyo empire cavalry and what makes the burial of these horse bones unique is that they buried artefacts with them and they were buried near humans meaning that they had a significant importance and relation to the people and the empire those who eat horses aren't going to bury cloth and brass with them are they?

christistruth01:
All Yoruba Obas Carry a Horse Tail

It is a cow tail

And if it were to be horse then your point would be completely destroyed because Igbo have the exact same object used for the exact same purposes but no history of cavalry

Abohboy:
It is a cow tail

Ijebus on Horseback at the Ojude Oba Festival


I never knew that a day would come when I would Thank God for the Ijebus habit of Over display show off


At least everybody can see Clearly now beyond a doubt that Yorubas have a Culture of Horsemanship




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFpbr1xtEPg

https://youtube.com/shorts/C4UTbimGwU8?feature=share

Cc Tao11,theTranscriber, Bkayy,Abohboy