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Daboomb:
Who then from the SE, with the North support as President, so that the whole of Southenr Nigeria will also suport that person?
Name the Easterner.

None just as they do not support anyone from the SW nor the SS

Daboomb:
The SW wants to support a SW Presidency in 2023
Is it not strange that the SE wants to support a Northern President in 2023?

Why cant the SE also support a SE candidate (and maybe with the support of the SS) for Presidency?
Why are Igbos always thinking it is okay and acceptable for them to always play Second Fiddle to the North, for them to ACHIEVE NOTHING (as we have seen from History!), rather than play second fiddle to the SW with a very certain agreement that the SW will back them to achieve the so much desired Presidency?

I think being a very brilliant people, they should be able to do a SWOT Analysis of which route can lead them to the Presidency,

They have tried the North since 1970, with even Ojukwu `sucking up to the North, with No Result.
It is no secret that the North will NEVER support an Igbo to be President of Nigeria
Why not try the SW, who have no opposition to an Igbo Presidency, post 2023?

Or it it a matter of Short-sightedness (A VP today is better than a Presidency in 8yrs time?)
Or a matter of Hatred for the Yorubas and preferably cutting of their Nose, just to spite Yorubas?

Igbos are a strange People indeed.

I have a better idea
How about the SW AND the SE annoint a candidate from the SS and support him wholeheartedly?
Sw has run both president and vice president two terms apiece
SS may be okay

JosephXavier:
The North will do anything to make sure they frustrate the plan of a Southern presidency

But it's left for the south to unite and try and align together to reach a compromise and insist on it

But the only issue the south have is that South West would rather choose to support their own person for the highest political post even after handling both the president and vice president slot since 1999

This won't go well with the East and south south, who would rather support a northern candidate so as to get the vice presidential position instead of supporting a south west candidate

Una divide & rule no go work seh

Aufbauh:
The PDP Mathias don tire Lord luggard himself no be Chias.

The most pathetic situation for them is that they seem not to have a southern presidential candidate that has national appeal or acceptance. Their matter tie wrapper.

Reputation don spoil..

PDP for get upper hand for say dem do Nigeria good when dem dey rule..

Daboomb:
Why dont you "The North" support a Wike President, with Kwakwanso as Vice?

You want to use the SE/SS once again, to achieve your born-to-rule claims?
Anyway, l dont blame you too much, it is the SE that is allowing hatred for SW to becloud their sense of judgement and foresight.
And that is a very strange hatred/situation, bearing in mind that[b] it is in the SW that Igbos are safest and prosper most[/b], within Nigeria.

read my post again...
Wike as the president... That's what I said..

JosephXavier:
The North will do anything to make sure they frustrate the plan of a Southern presidency

But it's left for the south to unite and try and align together to reach a compromise and insist on it

But the only issue the south have is that South West would rather choose to support their own person for the highest political post even after handling both the president and vice president slot since 1999

This won't go well with the East and south south, who would rather support a northern candidate so as to get the vice presidential position instead of supporting a south west candidate

You just said it all.Fear who no fear South West

Daboomb:
The SW wants to support a SW Presidency in 2023
Is it not strange that the SE wants to support a Northern President in 2023?

Why cant the SE also support a SE candidate (and maybe with the support of the SS) for Presidency?
Why are Igbos always thinking it is okay and acceptable for them to always play Second Fiddle to the North, for them to ACHIEVE NOTHING (as we have seen from History!), rather than play second fiddle to the SW with a very certain agreement that the SW will back them to achieve the so much desired Presidency?

I think being a very brilliant people, they should be able to do a SWOT Analysis of which route can lead them to the Presidency,

They have tried the North since 1970, with even Ojukwu `sucking up to the North, with No Result.
It is no secret that the North will NEVER support an Igbo to be President of Nigeria
Why not try the SW, who have no opposition to an Igbo Presidency, post 2023?

Or it it a matter of Short-sightedness (A VP today is better than a Presidency in 8yrs time?)
Or a matter of Hatred for the Yorubas and preferably cutting of their Nose, just to spite Yorubas?

Igbos are a strange People indeed.

Your analysis is purely garbage.
Which Igbo told you that they will rather vote for a Northern presidential candidate under any circumstance? Which region in Nigeria has suffered more under Norrhern leadership? Igbos will definitely support any Southerner regardless of their zone. But SW needs to be really careful with their utterances as they are undoing this new alliance before it could take root.

I tell you ...few days back that, accept what you are given and demand more

When North has given South chance to take Party Chairmanship, they refused and forced it to North.

Politics is game of greed and numbers

Now North takes the offer, and need more, you're now blaming them

Daboomb:
But the SW also backed Jonathan, who was a SE and PDP Candidate in 2009 and elected him again in 20011?
Does that not balance your claim?

So, why run to the North now, in 2023?

What planet are you from?
So Jonathan to you is now from SE and not SS?

RodgersAkpafu:
I have a better idea
How about the SW AND the SE annoint a candidate from the SS and support him wholeheartedly?
Sw has run both president and vice president two terms apiece
SS may be okay

And SE is supposed to be just a cheerleader always? The other two regions have produced presidents and vice in recent time. Why would it nit be proper to have SS and SW both come together and anoint an Igbo candidate?

Abujason:
And SE is supposed to be just a cheerleader always? The other two regions have produced presidents and vice in recent time. Why would it nit be proper to have SS and SW both come together and anoint an Igbo candidate?

I'm also fine with this

Oh

JosephXavier:
The North will do anything to make sure they frustrate the plan of a Southern presidency

But it's left for the south to unite and try and align together to reach a compromise and insist on it

But the only issue the south have is that South West would rather choose to support their own person for the highest political post even after handling both the president and vice president slot since 1999

This won't go well with the East and south south, who would rather support a northern candidate so as to get the vice presidential position instead of supporting a south west candidate

yeah but obasanjo was said to be from South East

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Daboomb:
But the SW also backed Jonathan, who was a SE and PDP Candidate in 2009 and elected him again in 20011?
Does that not balance your claim?

So, why run to the North now, in 2023?

���� Look at the person that knows history. No wonder you have been talking trash all along.

GeneralPula:
Una divide & rule no go work seh

E don work finished

kcnwaigbo:
SW backed Jonathan in 2009? Did he compete for the presidency in 2009? What brand of weed exactly are you smoking?

BTW Jonathan was never SE candidate,stop trying to be clever by half

You obviously, may be too young in 2009, not to know that if not for the backing of the SW, championed by Poeple like OBJ, Pastor Bakare, Femi Falana, etc, the North has insisted that they would field another Northerner as President, when Yar Adua passed on.

As a matter of fact, his wife Turai Yar Ardua was already rulling and calling the shots and Northerners were ready to back her as President, even if just a figure head, as long as it is a Northerner that was there.
Go and look at Pictures of Jonathan when he gave his first address when Yar Ardua died, he could not sit on the President's Seat because there was this Northerner Soldier with a Weapon lurking just behind it and Jona nor wan die like Anwar Sadat of Egypt.

But the People of the SW were the ones who said "e nor go happen" (and others, including the SE later rallied around him) and gave confidence to Jonathan, to assume his Constitutional Role, as VP, stepping in for a deceased President. That was how Jonathan became President in 2009.
The SW also stood by him in 2011, when the North said they wanted to "complete" their 8yrs, by voting for Jonathan massively.


Okechukwu Ebele Jonathan was PDP Nominee, PDP is the Party of the SE since 1999, till date, just like ACN and later APC was the Party of the SW till date..
Please, dont get unnecessarily at people old enough to be your father (onl if you know), it only shows your extremely defective upbringing and lack of basic knowledge.

Take a Histiory Book and rea instead.

kcnwaigbo:
None just as they do not support anyone from the SW nor the SS

You Northerners are just too selfish, when it comes to power, yet you are the worst Managers/Leaders among Nigerians.
You wont support an Easterner but you want the Easterners to keep supporting you (and the Easterners are equally too spiteful for their own good), only to keep rewarding them with that boy-boy role of Osinbande Ordinary Commissioner!

Anyway, Nigeria's Unity will be Negotiated, whether the North likes it or North.

Pk01:
read my post again...
Wike as the president... That's what I said..

Really?
Let me quote the first few words of your Post: If the North get the President

That does not sound like "if the Presidency is zoned to the South"?

If the presidency is zoned to the South, then in all fairness it should go to the South East. That's the only zone in the south that's yet to produce either the president or VP

Abujason:
Your analysis is purely garbage.
Which Igbo told you that they will rather vote for a Northern presidential candidate under any circumstance? Which region in Nigeria has suffered more under Norrhern leadership? Igbos will definitely support any Southerner regardless of their zone. But SW needs to be really careful with their utterances as they are undoing this new alliance before it could take root.

I wont abuse you as you have chosen to do because our upbringing are basically so different.
Having said that, my post was based on what a lot of Igbos have written on various threads, including this one, on Pg 1.
If you care to read, you will see it there.

I am in support of the Presidency being zoned to the South, by all Political Parties.
I am also in support of the SS, SE and SW, coming to an arrangement, documented in Writing and made into an enforceable Contract (to avoid the greed and pretense of Buhari in 2019 when he said "where was it written that Presidency will be shared, between North and South of APC", when the SW supported him in 2015.) .
In such way, the Regions can have a go at it, in an orderly fashion, ensuring that they put forward their "Best Brains" to manage their Slot, such that hss tenure will become the envy of other regions.

Tingotoe:
If the presidency is zoned to the South, then in all fairness it should go to the South East. That's the only zone in the south that's yet to produce either the president or VP

On the surface, this may look fair but there are other considerations l will mention.

Let us assume the Presidency of both Party is zoned to the South. that is APC and PDP must produce a Southerner as President.

It now remains: Where in the three zones APC will chose its President from and same thing goes for PDP
PDP can decide to give it to the SE or SW so let us examine why and who it will give it to:
If the PDP decides to give it to the SW, l will be opposed ot that, WHY?
The SE has worked had and supported the PDP through thick and thin, since 1999, till date.
They voted massively for PDP candidates in 2015 and did same in 2019 and it will only be fair that they get the Presidntial ticket of the PDP/
The SW on the other hand, has not voted or supported the PDP, whether in 2015 or 2019/

On the APC side, we all know that the Party is basically 75% ACN, a SW party, with CPC making up the remaining 25%.
So, we wont be wrong to say the SW created and nurtured this party, from AD in 1999, to ACN in 2011 to APC in 2015.
The SW voted massively for APC in 2015 and in 2019, allowing Buhari a Northerner, to be President for 8yrs.
The arrangement within the APC is also that the Candidate of its junior member, the CPC (Buhari) will have the go first, to foster trust, while it will them go after their own candidate.
So it is only natural for the APC to nominate a SW President, to compensate them for their investment and support in the APC.
The Igbos did not support the APC in 2015 and 2019, they supported the PDP.

As we can see, the matter has diced itself clearly, each Party should nominate the Region of the South, that supported in in 2015 and 2019, as a reward for that support.

PDP = SE
APC = SW

Each of these Region cannot win election by itself, so it is now left to them to go around the Middle Belt and the North, to canvass for support, to finally win the General Election.
This is the only fair and democratic principle, where everyone reaps, where they have sowed.

Daboomb:
On the surface, this may look fair but there are other considerations l will mention.

Let us assume the Presidency of both Party is zoned to the South. that is APC and PDP must produce a Southerner as President.

It now remains: Where in the three zones APC will chose its President from and same thing goes for PDP
PDP can decide to give it to the SE or SW so let us examine why and who it will give it to:
If the PDP decides to give it to the SW, l will be opposed ot that, WHY?
The SE has worked had and supported the PDP through thick and thin, since 1999, till date.
They voted massively for PDP candidates in 2015 and did same in 2019 and it will only be fair that they get the Presidntial ticket of the PDP/
The SW on the other hand, has not voted or supported the PDP, whether in 2015 or 2019/

On the APC side, we all know that the Party is basically 75% ACN, a SW party, with CPC making up the remaining 25%.
So, we wont be wrong to say the SW created and nurtured this party, from AD in 1999, to ACN in 2011 to APC in 2015.
The SW voted massively for APC in 2015 and in 2019, allowing Buhari a Northerner, to be President for 8yrs.
The arrangement within the APC is also that the Candidate of its junior member, the CPC (Buhari) will have the go first, to foster trust, while it will them go after their own candidate.
So it is only natural for the APC to nominate a SW President, to compensate them for their investment and support in the APC.
The Igbos did not support the APC in 2015 and 2019, they supported the PDP.

As we can see, the matter has diced itself clearly, each Party should nominate the Region of the South, that supported in in 2015 and 2019, as a reward for that support.

PDP = SE
APC = SW

Each of these Region cannot win election by itself, so it is now left to them to go around the Middle Belt and the North, to canvass for support, to finally win the General Election.
This is the only fair and democratic principle, where everyone reaps, where they have sowed.

I get your logic but you are trying to be clever by half. We all know that APC being the ruling party have the upper hand in winning the 2023 presidential election. Also the APC being the majority party in the north and SW as well. So pitting a SE PDP candidate against a SW APC one can only bring about a foregone conclusion. The only fair deal is to have the SE on both tickets

Daboomb:
I wont abuse you as you have chosen to do because our upbringing are basically so different.
Having said that, my post was based on what a lot of Igbos have written on various threads, including this one, on Pg 1.
If you care to read, you will see it there.

I am in support of the Presidency being zoned to the South, by all Political Parties.
I am also in support of the SS, SE and SW, coming to an arrangement, documented in Writing and made into an enforceable Contract (to avoid the greed and pretense of Buhari in 2019 when he said "where was it written that Presidency will be shared, between North and South of APC", when the SW supported him in 2015.) .
In such way, the Regions can have a go at it, in an orderly fashion, ensuring that they put forward their "Best Brains" to manage their Slot, such that hss tenure will become the envy of other regions.

Bros, sorry if my write up sounded insulting. Wasn’t my intention. We are in agreement for the most part. Don’t mind a few of our southern brothers who are talking about alliance with North. We can see how they are currently treating Osinbajo.

Save this.
Pdp will pick their chairman from the North Central.
Pdp will pick Kwankwanso as it's presidential candidate and Ngozi Iweala as his running mate.
Pdp will defeat Apc hands down

kenzysmith:
PDP should rather give Goodluck the ticket than Atiku. North hates atiku with passion but the dumbos go still give atiku the ticket and osibade or tunubu we be a free ride

Jona is like an expired drug, no relevance whatsoever. Once disgraced, he stands to be disgraced again

Tingotoe:
I get your logic but you are trying to be clever by half. We all know that APC being the ruling party have the upper hand in winning the 2023 presidential election. Also the APC being the majority party in the north and SW as well. So pitting a SE PDP candidate against a SW APC one can only bring about a foregone conclusion. The only fair deal is to have the SE on both tickets

Your post suggests that you are actually aware that the SE does not deserve and cannot Win a SW candidate, within the APC, because they have not sown or invested over time, in the APC but rather in the PDP.

The Presidential Election of Nigeria is not a 'dash", even if it was zoned to you, you still have to Win the Elections.
I guess the SE would learn a lesson from this, when we were advising them back then in 2015, not to put all their Eggs in One Basket.

Back then, Igbos use to insult any of their Sons, like Joe Igbokwe who dares associate with the APC (I remeber you lots calling him Commission for Gutter Cleaning, in Lagos State )
But here you are wanting the same APC you claim you will never belong to, to serve you its Presidential Ticket Ala Carte, while jumping over the SW who laboured in APC, spent their money and time in the APC,, who deliberately conceded their Slot to the North on two Occasions, when it is now time to reap from their Sweat!
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Are you for real?
That is the very definition of GREED, trying to reap where you never sowed. What is fair in that?
Greed is not Fairness.
But take it from me, the North wants Presidency more than any other region and will not mind throwing you the usual Biscuit of a useless, figure-head V.P role, just like Osinbajo is suffering in the last six years but what would never happen is for the North to allow you smell that Aso Rock, even if you are President for the next Fifty years.

In contrast, the North, if perhaps you assist them to the Presidency in 2023, will come back begging the SW in 2027, to become President and make themselves the VP and in that arraignment, Igbos would lose out for another one or two decades.

Any sensible Region will weigh their options:

1) Patience for the SW in 2023, that will guarantee them 8yrs at the Presidency, with a solidarity in place that can even change the Political arrangement of the country (Regionalism and True Restructuring/Federalism)

or

2) Usual Spiteful behaviour driven by GREED, that would give them one or at most two cycles of V.P. and then be booted back to where they have been for the past 50yrs.

I know what a Greedy and Spiteful Race that lives on instant gratification, will opt for and that is not surprising.
#Sophistication is not by Mouth, it is by winning strategy.

NB: You can be Clever by "WHOLE" too, or your brain don dull nii?
Has your cleverness all these decades, ever helped you achieve your goals?

osothermal:
Save this.
Pdp will pick their chairman from the North Central.
Pdp will pick Kwankwanso as it's presidential candidate and Ngozi Iweala as his running mate.
Pdp will defeat Apc hands down

Is it possible for the Party to go against its own COnstitution, by picking the Party Chairman and Presidential Candidate, form the same Northern Region?

Ngozi Iweala is a wonderful woman but l dont see her ahead of the likes of Kingsley Moghalu, Wike, Peter "China" Obi, etc.
This your permutation get as e be.

The only way PDP will defeat APC is if APC fields a Northerner as President while PDP fields a Southerner (SW, SE or SS),
I would rather Vote an Igbo President, even in APC, than Vote another Northerner in 2023.

Who wants to experience another Fulani disaster for another 8yrs? God forbid.

Daboomb:
Your post suggests that you are actually aware that the SE does not deserve and cannot Win a SW candidate, within the APC, because they have not sown or invested over time, in the APC but rather in the PDP.

The Presidential Election of Nigeria is not a 'dash", even if it was zoned to you, you still have to Win the Elections.
I guess the SE would learn a lesson from this, when we were advising them back then in 2015, not to put all their Eggs in One Basket.

Back then, Igbos use to insult any of their Sons, like Joe Igbokwe who dares associate with the APC (I remeber you lots calling him Commission for Gutter Cleaning, in Lagos State )
But here you are wanting the same APC you claim you will never belong to, to serve you its Presidential Ticket Ala Carte, while jumping over the SW who laboured in APC, spent their money and time in the APC,, who deliberately conceded their Slot to the North on two Occasions, when it is now time to reap from their Sweat!
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Are you for real?
That is the very definition of GREED, trying to reap where you never sowed. What is fair in that?
Greed is not Fairness.
But take it from me, the North wants Presidency more than any other region and will not mind throwing you the usual Biscuit of a useless, figure-head V.P role, just like Osinbajo is suffering in the last six years but what would never happen is for the North to allow you smell that Aso Rock, even if you are President for the next Fifty years.

In contrast, the North, if perhaps you assist them to the Presidency in 2023, will come back begging the SW in 2027, to become President and make themselves the VP and in that arraignment, Igbos would lose out for another one or two decades.

Any sensible Region will weigh their options:

1) Patience for the SW in 2023, that will guarantee them 8yrs at the Presidency, with a solidarity in place that can even change the Political arrangement of the country (Regionalism and True Restructuring/Federalism)

or

2) Usual Spiteful behaviour driven by GREED, that would give them one or at most two cycles of V.P. and then be booted back to where they have been for the past 50yrs.

I know what a Greedy and Spiteful Race that lives on instant gratification, will opt for and that is not surprising.
#Sophistication is not by Mouth, it is by winning strategy.

NB: You can be Clever by "WHOLE" too, or your brain don dull nii?
Has your cleverness all these decades, ever helped you achieve your goals?

Okay let's throw the race wide open and give room for the north to contest too. Can a SW candidate compete with the north for the APC ticket? I doubt it

Tingotoe:
Okay let's throw the race wide open and give room for the north to contest too. Can a SW candidate compete with the north for the APC ticket? I doubt it

This again, supposes that you have a belief that the SW cannot compete against the North!

But let me remind you that Buhari, a Core Fulani Northerner, could not win the Presidency, despite his wide acceptance in the North, on three consecutive occasions!
Does that not tell you that your premise, that if the race is thrown Open, the North will win, is a fallacy?

The Truth is that No Single Zone can win the Presidency, without the support of at least, one or more other Zone.

Meanwhile, l get bothered when, every time an "Igbo/SE" loses a "Political Argument", his first resort is to run to the North, instead of strategizing on How to win the Political Argument the next time.

Igbos are truly amazing minds.

Daboomb:
This again, supposes that you have a belief that the SW cannot compete against the North!

But let me remind you that Buhari, a Core Fulani Northerner, could not win the Presidency, despite his wide acceptance in the North, on three consecutive occasions!
Does that not tell you that your premise, that if the race is thrown Open, the North will win, is a fallacy?

The Truth is that No Single Zone can win the Presidency, without the support of at least, one or more other Zone.

Meanwhile, l get bothered when, every time an "Igbo/SE" loses a "Political Argument", his first resort is to run to the North, instead of strategizing on How to win the Political Argument the next time.

Igbos are truly amazing minds.

I meant the race for the APC ticket not the presidency