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Bishopkingsley:
I already told you that if you accept that he created my God then fine you must call the flying spaghetti monster... God.... And I told you no one can create God because he is the total infinite complexity...

We have settled this issue and you keep thinking that I will say no to your defense I won't say no all I want you to accept is to call that flying thing God...

I told you the highest brain behind all reactions is called God



If you say I reached a flaw conclusion
Then answer this simple question

This brings us to the question as to why you are not serving the Flying Spaghetti Monster if you agree that he created your god.

Question 1
Every one believes... To every action there is equal and opposite reaction.... This is pure science and Bible also support this theory......
..... So this theory cancels the theory that... The creation spin of you mention which you said spin off by itself..... If you insist that it spin of by itself...
..... Then Do you believe that the kings poem wrote itself?

its not a theory by the way, it’s a law and that law applies to everything including the creation of your god unless you want to special plead.
There’s no shame in saying you don’t know yet but we will find our instead of filling the gap with your god.

Your problem is inability to stay in the agreed principle I already told you that when you sum it up all up what you will get is continuous infinite complexity.... And I told you let us add all the infinite total complexity together and call it God

Because God definitions actually means a being with infinite brain....

my problem with you argument is that you want to make the rules and then choose when the rules don’t apply.
Your rule is everything must have to be created but you want to exempt your god from the rule. You don’t want to also acknowledge the fact that if your god can be exempted then the universe can also be exempted.

It can be tested because scientists said nothing happens by itself.... They discovered that to every action there is equal and opposite reaction..

We tested it with this

scientists are not suppose to help you find your god. You make the claims, you will provide the evidence.
Your god disobeys that law of motion since you claim he cannot be created himself. That law is disobeyed in that instance.
Where did he get the momentum to create the universe if that law is true?unless you want to special plead again that it doesn’t apply to him.

This is a universal law so
It states , Newton's third law is: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects. ... Forces always come in pairs - equal and opposite action-reaction force pairs.

If your god is to be included in this law, then it’s flawed because a god that cannot be created cannot obey the law of motion.

Now religious laws are perfect it just that people use other words and terminology while we use spiritual terminology

Examples
Science says
Electrical power is neither created or destroyed..... Bible gives the impression God can neither be created or destroyed

religious laws are always imperfect, that explains why we have never seen a massive object with more volume than water float like Jesus did. It’s also the same reason there’s no evidence that a kangaroo hopped from Australia or a Penguin from Antarctica joined an ark that housed all terrestrial species for a year. There’s nothing perfect about those nonsense stories. We have never observed parthenogenesis in mammals like the birth of Jesus.
Those things cannot be called perfect, they myths and fictions.

Which is exactly the same thing as

Law of Conservation of Energy
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. For example, turning on a light would seem to produce energy; however, it is electrical energy that is converted.


You can see this two laws are consistent and proves the existence of God

Bible shows God is power and power is energy and this shows both Bible and science are saying the same thing

If energy can never be created nor destroyed then where did god get the initial Energy to create the universe?

The existence of a god that wasn’t created itself contradicts that law of conservation of energy, his own energy must have come from elsewhere. It creates another problem of infinite regress. If you say that he was created from nothing and that defies the law of conservation of energy.

Nothing you have said is in line with science, you are simply distorting facts to match your narratives

Bishopkingsley:
I already told you that if you accept that he created my God then fine you must call the flying spaghetti monster... God.... And I told you no one can create God because he is the total infinite complexity...

We have settled this issue and you keep thinking that I will say no to your defense I won't say no all I want you to accept is to call that flying thing God...

I told you the highest brain behind all reactions is called God



If you say I reached a flaw conclusion
Then answer this simple question

Question 1
Every one believes... To every action there is equal and opposite reaction.... This is pure science and Bible also support this theory......
..... So this theory cancels the theory that... The creation spin of you mention which you said spin off by itself..... If you insist that it spin of by itself...
..... Then Do you believe that the kings poem wrote itself?




Your problem is inability to stay in the agreed principle I already told you that when you sum it up all up what you will get is continuous infinite complexity.... And I told you let us add all the infinite total complexity together and call it God

Because God definitions actually means a being with infinite brain....



It can be tested because scientists said nothing happens by itself.... They discovered that to every action there is equal and opposite reaction..

We tested it with this

This is a universal law so
It states , Newton's third law is: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects. ... Forces always come in pairs - equal and opposite action-reaction force pairs.



Now religious laws are perfect it just that people use other words and terminology while we use spiritual terminology

Examples
Science says
Electrical power is neither created or destroyed..... Bible gives the impression God can neither be created or destroyed


Which is exactly the same thing as

Law of Conservation of Energy
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. For example, turning on a light would seem to produce energy; however, it is electrical energy that is converted.


You can see this two laws are consistent and proves the existence of God

Bible shows God is power and power is energy and this shows both Bible and science are saying the same thing

The best answer we have now is “we don’t know”

There’s no shame is saying that.

Don’t fill the gaps with your god. No one will take that seriously in future.

Workch:
This brings us to the question as to why you are not serving the Flying Spaghetti Monster if you agree that he created your god.

its not a theory by the way, it’s a law and that law applies to everything including the creation of your god unless you want to special plead.
There’s no shame in saying you don’t know yet but we will find our instead of filling the gap with your god.




my problem with you argument is that you want to make the rules and then choose when the rules don’t apply.
Your rule is everything must have to be created but you want to exempt your god from the rule. You don’t want to also acknowledge the fact that if your god can be exempted then the universe can also be exempted.



scientists are not suppose to help you find your god. You make the claims, you will provide the evidence.
Your god disobeys that law of motion since you claim he cannot be created himself. That law is disobeyed in that instance.
Where did he get the momentum to create the universe if that law is true?unless you want to special plead again that it doesn’t apply to him.

If your god is to be included in this law, then it’s flawed because a god that cannot be created cannot obey the law of motion.



religious laws are always imperfect, that explains why we have never seen a massive object with more volume than water float like Jesus did. It’s also the same reason there’s no evidence that a kangaroo hopped from Australia or a Penguin from Antarctica joined an ark that housed all terrestrial species for a year. There’s nothing perfect about those nonsense stories. We have never observed parthenogenesis in mammals like the birth of Jesus.
Those things cannot be called perfect, they myths and fictions.


If energy can never be created nor destroyed then where did god get the initial Energy to create the universe?

The existence of a god that wasn’t created itself contradicts that law of conservation of energy, his own energy must have come from elsewhere. It creates another problem of infinite regress. If you say that he was created from nothing and that defies the law of conservation of energy.

Nothing you have said is in line with science, you are simply distorting facts to match your narratives

Workch:
This brings us to the question as to why you are not serving the Flying Spaghetti Monster if you agree that he created your god.

Because I already told you no one can create God and that both the flying spaghetti and my God when you combine the two you will still have one God which is the ultimate and he is called God because no one can create him he is the total infinite complexity

Hope that settles it

Workch:
its not a theory by the way, it’s a law and that law applies to everything including the creation of your god unless you want to special plead.
There’s no shame in saying you don’t know yet but we will find our instead of filling the gap with your god.

Which law are you talking about

Workch:
my problem with you argument is that you want to make the rules and then choose when the rules don’t apply.
Your rule is everything must have to be created but you want to exempt your god from the rule. You don’t want to also acknowledge the fact that if your god can be exempted then the universe can also be exempted.

You are going in a circle because I told you that when you add all the who created who you will get a complexity infinite brain

How many times will I say it... I told you let both of us agree to call that infinite complexity total brain let call it God

Workch:
scientists are not suppose to help you find your god. You make the claims, you will provide the evidence.
Your god disobeys that law of motion since you claim he cannot be created himself. That law is disobeyed in that instance.
Where did he get the momentum to create the universe if that law is true?unless you want to special plead again that it doesn’t apply to him.

Why are you not understanding it

The Law is showing that the reaction to all actions is an infinite value which has no end

And I told you let both of us agree that that infinite value can be called God

Workch:
If your god is to be included in this law, then it’s flawed because a god that cannot be created cannot obey the law of motion.

This statement shows you are confused with it application

Workch:
religious laws are always imperfect, that explains why we have never seen a massive object with more volume than water float like Jesus did. It’s also the same reason there’s no evidence that a kangaroo hopped from Australia or a Penguin from Antarctica joined an ark that housed all terrestrial species for a year. There’s nothing perfect about those nonsense stories. We have never observed parthenogenesis in mammals like the birth of Jesus.
Those things cannot be called perfect, they myths and fictions.

Every one can see how the earth floats on nothing....


As long as they happen on this one's it is enough proof
Greenflies, stick insects, aphids, water fleas, scorpions, termites and honey bees are all capable of reproducing without males, using parthenogenesis.....


The story is not the focus the focus is on

This law

To every action there is equal and opposite reaction..

Which actually shows the existence of God

Workch:
If energy can never be created nor destroyed then where did god get the initial Energy to create the universe?

Conservation law of energy is actually saying there has always been energy

That exactly what Bible is saying there has always been God

Workch:
The existence of a god that wasn’t created itself contradicts that law of conservation of energy, his own energy must have come from elsewhere. It creates another problem of infinite regress. If you say that he was created from nothing and that defies the law of conservation of energy.

The scientific research to the Law says energy has always been that it has never been created instead of formulating your own assumptions to the law why not ask me if the law means there have always been energy

Because that what that law is saying

Workch:
The best answer we have now is “we don’t know”

There’s no shame is saying that.

Don’t fill the gaps with your god. No one will take that seriously in future.

We know because the brain what continues to cause each reaction to everything is called God

So for you to sit down and say you don't know means you are not following the scientific laws

Because the law from science already say energy power is never created

So Ask yourself do I follow science or follow my own limited brain

If we follow science then we must accept energy is truly never created and that using spiritual terminology we can call that energy God

Bishopkingsley:
Because I already told you no one can create God and that both the flying spaghetti and my God when you combine the two you will still have one God which is the ultimate and he is called God because no one can create him he is the total infinite complexity

it means that anyone can wake up at any point to create his own god just as we created the Flying Spaghetti Monster, these gods are equally as a valid as the Christian god. It also means that there no logical basis to place the Christian god above any other god. They are equally valid. Noted

Hope that settles it

Which law are you talking about



You are going in a circle because I told you that when you add all the who created who you will get a complexity infinite brain

How many times will I say it... I told you let both of us agree to call that infinite complexity total brain let call it God

Its your rule that you created, it’s not a universally accepted rule and I don’t have to play by it.
There’s an argument that if god cannot be created then the universe can also not be created.

Why are you not understanding it

The Law is showing that the reaction to all actions is an infinite value which has no end

And I told you let both of us agree that that infinite value can be called God

I do not agree that the infinite value can be called god. You are person not understanding my argument and misconstruing the Newton’s 3rd law of motion.

What the law implies is that if you add a force to a body, it body reacts equally but in opposite direction. For example, if you hit a ball, the force applied to that ball determines the speed of that ball in an opposite direction. Another example of this law can be seen in accidents, the more the force of collision, the more the impact and damage that will be caused.

I do not see how this laws ratifies existence of a god. You do not understand the nitty gritty of the law itself. Maybe you need some basic physics education

This statement shows you are confused with it application



Every one can see how the earth floats on nothing....

this is another lack of physics knowledge, earth doesn’t float on nothing. Earth floats on the fabrics of space-time continuum as stated by the Albert Einstein theory or relativity. It is kept in orbit by the gravity created by the sun that bends space-time. It’s basic physics and you need to get.

As long as they happen on this one's it is enough proof
Greenflies, stick insects, aphids, water fleas, scorpions, termites and honey bees are all capable of reproducing without males, using parthenogenesis.....

mammals don’t express the gene for parthenogenesis. Basic biology, parthenogenesis cannot happen in mammals which include humans.

The story is not the focus the focus is on

This law

To every action there is equal and opposite reaction..

I still do not see how this ratifies the existence of god. It doesn’t correlate because you don’t know basic physics, you are mopping everything up.

Which actually shows the existence of God



Conservation law of energy is actually saying there has always been energy

This gives credence to the fact that the universe can always existed without a creator, if there has always been energy.

That exactly what Bible is saying there has always been God

The Bible never said anything about thermodynamics.

The scientific research to the Law says energy has always been that it has never been created instead of formulating your own assumptions to the law why not ask me if the law means there have always been energy

Energy has always existed and clearly not created by any god, that’s what we know. Thanks for that

Because that what that law is saying




We know because the brain what continues to cause each reaction to everything is called God

So for you to sit down and say you don't know means you are not following the scientific laws

Because the law from science already say energy power is never created

So Ask yourself do I follow science or follow my own limited brain

If we follow science then we must accept energy is truly never created and that using spiritual terminology we can call that energy God

The same brain said earth was flat few years ago, we didn’t know a lot of stuffs before but now we know more than before.
It’s irrational to say that you know when you don’t know. We don’t know, let us find out, your god is not the answer. It was never the answers for things we didn’t know that we know today.

Your case is filling the gaps with god, it doesn’t solve any problem. Its why science don’t take that as an answer

Bishopkingsley, going by your comment that energy has always existed. You have agreed that the universe has always existed and doesn’t have a beginning if we should go by the equation E=mc^2
That’s the mathematical presentation of theory of relativity.

It implies that everything is made of energy and energy is directly proportional to mass with speed of light as constant.

It means all masses include those particles in living things have always exist in one form or the other. This also obey the law or conservation of energy to the fullest and the universe as we know today is 100% energy.

I think you should get your pionts straight or probably get some basic concept of science first.

Workch:
it means that anyone can wake up at any point to create his own god just as we created the Flying Spaghetti Monster, these gods are equally as a valid as the Christian god. It also means that there no logical basis to place the Christian god above any other god. They are equally valid. Noted

Its your rule that you created, it’s not a universally accepted rule and I don’t have to play by it.
There’s an argument that if god cannot be created then the universe can also not be created.



I do not agree that the infinite value can be called god. You are person not understanding my argument and misconstruing the Newton’s 3rd law of motion.

What the law implies is that if you add a force to a body, it body reacts equally but in opposite direction. For example, if you hit a ball, the force applied to that ball the determines the speed of that ball in an opposite direction. Another example of this law can be seen in accidents, the more the force of collision, the more the impact and damage that will be caused.

I do not see how this laws ratifies existence of a god. You do not understand the nitty gritty of the law itself. Maybe you need some basic physics education




this is another lack of physics knowledge, earth doesn’t float on nothing. Earth floats on the fabrics of space-time continuum as stated by the Albert Einstein theory or relativity. It is kept in orbit by the gravity created by the sun that bends space-time. It’s basic physics and you need to get.



mammals don’t express the gene for parthenogenesis. Basic biology, parthenogenesis cannot happen in mammals which include humans.


I still do not see how this ratifies the existence of god. It doesn’t correlate because you don’t know basic physics, you are mopping everything up.

This gives credence to the fact that the universe can always existed without a creator, if there has always been energy.

The Bible never said anything about thermodynamics.



Energy has always existed and clearly not created by any god, that’s what we know. Thanks for that

The same brain said earth was flat few years ago, we didn’t know a lot of stuffs before but now we know more than before.
It’s irrational to say that you know when you don’t know. We don’t know, let us find out, your god is not the answer. It was never the answers for things we didn’t know that we know today.

Your case is filling the gaps with god, it doesn’t solve any problem. Its why science don’t take that as an answer

Workch:
it means that anyone can wake up at any point to create his own god just as we created the Flying Spaghetti Monster, these gods are equally as a valid as the Christian god. It also means that there no logical basis to place the Christian god above any other god. They are equally valid. Noted

No what it actually means is that no one can create any God and that that ultimate brain that caused all the reactions to all action can be called God since no one can create God

So the flying thing you called God and my own that I called God is under the ultimate God which is still called God
.... Hope thir explains the issue very well....

Workch:
and I don’t have to play by it.

If you say you don't want to play by it what this means is you have refused science and refused Bible

This then shows you are not been truthful to your self

Workch:
There’s an argument that if god cannot be created then the universe can also not be created.

Once you agree that there is a God then we can talk about the...... argument that if god cannot be created then the universe can also not be created..........

Workch:
I do not agree that the infinite value can be called god. You are person not understanding my argument and misconstruing the Newton’s 3rd law of motion.

What the law implies is that if you add a force to a body, it body reacts equally but in opposite direction. For example, if you hit a ball, the force applied to that ball determines the speed of that ball in an opposite direction. Another example of this law can be seen in accidents, the more the force of collision, the more the impact and damage that will be caused.

I do not see how this laws ratifies existence of a god. You do not understand the nitty gritty of the law itself. Maybe you need some basic physics education

So what name do you want us to call the infinite value of the complexity....

Workch:
What the law implies is that if you add a force to a body, it body reacts equally but in opposite direction. For example, if you hit a ball, the force applied to that ball determines the speed of that ball in an opposite direction. Another example of this law can be seen in accidents, the more the force of collision, the more the impact and damage that will be caused.

I do not see how this laws ratifies existence of a god. You do not understand the nitty gritty of the law itself. Maybe you need some basic physics education

You are going in a circle because you told me that a spin off started the action that caused those things to happen..... And from science I told you that a spin off can not happen on it own

So stop going round about and admit that the kings poem did not write it self.... Which means the spin off did not spin by it self too

Workch:
this is another lack of physics knowledge, earth doesn’t float on nothing. Earth floats on the fabrics of space-time continuum as stated by the Albert Einstein theory or relativity. It is kept in orbit by the gravity created by the sun that bends space-time. It’s basic physics and you need to get.

You talking about the same thing because.... fabrics of space-time continuum is not an object
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or can you see or remove fabrics of space-time continuum?

You trying to be deceptive because name one physical thing that holds the earth

Workch:
I still do not see how this ratifies the existence of god. It doesn’t correlate because you don’t know basic physics, you are mopping everything up.

Am actually surprised that you are not understanding science laws and if I ask you a question you tend to cry because you actually don't even know the answer

Let see if you understand scientific laws

Question
Can energy be created or destroyed.. Added........ OK you answered it below good..

Workch:
This gives credence to the fact that the universe can always existed without a creator, if there has always been energy.

The Bible never said anything about thermodynamics.

We can only talk about the universe when you admit there is a God

Because scientists accept that energy can never be created or destroyed

So do you now admit there is a God that science calls energy

Thermodynamics is the study of the relations between heat, work, temperature, and energy.... Bible is filled with stories about
Heat, power, spiritual work, temperature sun

Bible records the first operation on a man God did by putting him to sleep

Bible is filled with science facts the problem is that it is beyond science that why people hit a snag

Workch:
Energy has always existed and clearly not created by any god, that’s what we know. Thanks for that

I never said God created energy I said God is the energy science is talking about

Workch:
The same brain said earth was flat few years ago, we didn’t know a lot of stuffs before but now we know more than before.
It’s irrational to say that you know when you don’t know. We don’t know, let us find out, your god is not the answer. It was never the answers for things we didn’t know that we know today.

Your case is filling the gaps with god, it doesn’t solve any problem. Its why science don’t take that as an answer

Science has it own way of speaking that is why it did not understand God

That why because I understand both I can link both to you and you are seeing the linkage but finding it hard to believe because you have never seen someone link both together before to you

The bible has never said the earth was flat man said so but Bible had always Maintained that at each place you are on earth that there is a four corner in the earth

Which scientists now called North South East and west

So Bible has always been right that the earth is spherical... Because it showed that water and land covers the face of the earth

Workch:
Your case is filling the gaps with god, it doesn’t solve any problem. Its why science don’t take that as an answer

Now what name do you want us to call

The brain for the total complexity of the infinite value.... Since you are crying when I call it God

Bishopkingsley:
No what it actually means is that no one can create any God and that that ultimate brain that caused all the reactions to all action can be called God since no one can create God

So the flying thing you called God and my own that I called God is under the ultimate God which is still called God
.... Hope thir explains the issue very well....

we are saying the same thing, no God is more valid than the other. Ifa, Zeus , Satan and the Christian God are the same with different names. I get your point

If you say you don't want to play by it what this means is you have refused science and refused Bible

This then shows you are not been truthful to your self

You rules are not scientific, they are your personal concoctions, I don't play a rule that you will choose when it won't apply. The Bible is lies and I know that because I read it

Once you agree that there is a God then we can talk about the...... argument that if god cannot be created then the universe can also not be created..........

You already agreed that energy has always existed, it validates the claim that the universe has always existed because universe is directly proportional to energy E=mc^2

So what name do you want us to call the infinite value of the complexity....

This removes the special treatment ascribed to the Christian God by Christians. It puts your God in same pedestal as sango and Amadioha.

You are going in a circle because you told me that a spin off started the action that caused those things to happen..... And from science I told you that a spin off can not happen on it own

Same science also thinks God cannot exist on its own, it defies law of conservative of energy.

You talking about the same thing because.... fabrics of space-time continuum is not an object

your God is also not an object, the diffence is that space-time can be measured, your God cannot.

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or can you see or remove fabrics of space-time continuum?

it can be measured, your God cannot be measured. It even have formulars to predict perfectly how it operates. This doesnt apply to your God.

Am actually surprised that you are not understanding science laws and if I ask you a question you tend to cry because you actually don't even know the answer

coming form someone who thinks energy has always existed and doesn't see how it means the universe always did

Let see if you understand scientific laws

Question
Can energy be created or destroyed.. Added........ OK you answered it below good..

nope, energy cannot be created no destroyed. All matter in the universe are energy E=mc^2
It means that if all matter is energy and vice versa, it means that universe can not be created nor destroyed.

We can only talk about the universe when you admit there is a God

Because scientists accept that energy can never be created or destroyed

So do you now admit there is a God that science calls energy

I also agree that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It is not the evidence for god, it's the evidence the universe wasn't created and cannot be destroyed.

Thermodynamics is the study of the relations between heat, work, temperature, and energy.... Bible is filled with stories about
Heat, power, spiritual work, temperature sun

it means that every book thay talk about sun and moon can be a trusted source of scientific knowledge on thermodynamics like spiderman comic and sheggs football comic.

Bible records the first operation on a man God did by putting him to sleep [/quotes] well that's nonsense because we have checked and women are not made of largely calcium and phosphate from a man's ribs.

[quote]Bible is filled with science facts the problem is that it is beyond science that why people hit a snag

bible is filled with nonsense, like creation of man from dust, women from ribs, talking snakes, splitting oceans, proteins turning to common salt, food falling from skies, chariot of fire ascending to heaven, man walking on water and a human pathogenesis. All are nonsense that are not scientific.

I never said God created energy I said God is the energy science is talking about

Energy equals matter. God cannot be energy because he's not matter. That's quack science

Science has it own way of speaking that is why it did not understand God

science doesn't care if God exist, he's not worth the research funds. It will be a waste of precious research funds

That why because I understand both I can link both to you and you are seeing the linkage but finding it hard to believe because you have never seen someone link both together before to you

You do not understand either of them. That's why you think the Bible is scientific and God is energy.
Only matter can have energy, God cannot be matter. You flawed here.

The bible has never said the earth was flat man said so but Bible had always Maintained that at each place you are on earth that there is a four corner in the earth

Which scientists now called North South East and west

So Bible has always been right that the earth is spherical... Because it showed that water and land covers the face of the earth

I never said the Bible said the earth is flat

Now what name do you want us to call

The brain for the total complexity of the infinite value.... Since you are crying when I call it God

not Energy

Workch:
Bishopkingsley, going by your comment that energy has always existed. You have agreed that the universe has always existed and doesn’t have a beginning if we should go by the equation E=mc^2
That’s the mathematical presentation of theory of relativity.

It implies that everything is made of energy and energy is directly proportional to mass with speed of light as constant.

It means all masses include those particles in living things have always exist in one form or the other. This also obey the law or conservation of energy to the fullest and the universe as we know today is 100% energy.

I think you should get your pionts straight or probably get some basic concept of science first.

Workch:
we are saying the same thing, no God is more valid than the other. Ifa, Zeus , Satan and the Christian God are the same with different names. I get your point




You rules are not scientific, they are your personal concoctions, I don't play a rule that you will choose when it won't apply. The Bible is lies and I know that because I read it



You already agreed that energy has always existed, it validates the claim that the universe has always existed because universe is directly proportional to energy E=mc^2

This removes the special treatment ascribed to the Christian God by Christians. It puts your God in same pedestal as sango and Amadioha.




Same science also thinks God cannot exist on its own, it defies law of conservative of energy.


your God is also not an object, the diffence is that space-time can be measured, your God cannot.
it can be measured, your God cannot be measured. It even have formulars to predict perfectly how it operates. This doesnt apply to your God.




coming form someone who thinks energy has always existed and doesn't see how it means the universe always did

nope, energy cannot be created no destroyed. All matter in the universe are energy E=mc^2
It means that if all matter is energy and vice versa, it means that universe can not be created nor destroyed.



I also agree that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It is not the evidence for god, it's the evidence the universe wasn't created and cannot be destroyed.

it means that every book thay talk about sun and moon can be a trusted source of scientific knowledge on thermodynamics like spiderman comic and sheggs football comic.

All the things you said here none holds water
The reason why I don't want to correct them is I want to focus at one point now to show you how you have been wrong

Workch:
not Energy

Your reason for saying not energy is totally not explained so kindly explain why you said we should call it.... not energy....

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I will talk about the universe only when you accept that God or energy should be the name we call the total infinite complexity

Bible calls him God and science calls him energy

Bishopkingsley:
All the things you said here none holds water
The reason why I don't want to correct them is I want to focus at one point now to show you how you have been wrong



Your reason for saying not energy is totally not explained so kindly explain why you said we should call it.... not energy....

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I will talk about the universe only when you accept that God or energy should be the name we call the total infinite complexity

Bible calls him God and science calls him energy

I cannot accept that God exist because you have not proven it.

God is not Energy, that's nonsense. You lack basic knowledge of what energy is.
This is a fallacy of begging the question.

The universe has always existed and nothing created it.

Atomic theory states clearly that atom cannot be created. It's simple, the universe cannot be created since everything is either made of atoms or energy. Both states cannot be created.

Bishopkingsley:
All the things you said here none holds water
The reason why I don't want to correct them is I want to focus at one point now to show you how you have been wrong



Your reason for saying not energy is totally not explained so kindly explain why you said we should call it.... not energy....

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I will talk about the universe only when you accept that God or energy should be the name we call the total infinite complexity

Bible calls him God and science calls him energy

It doesn't even make sense, if God is energy it means that God can exist in form of crude oil, electricity, nuclear bomb and the sun.

All these are energy.
Does that make any sense to you?

Even humans can releases energy when they die and they combust. We are chemical energy source.

Goats, pigs are also energy. Petrol, paper, wood etc are energy sources.

You don't know what energy is and you are not willing to learn

Workch:
I cannot accept that God exist because you have not proven it.

God is not Energy, that's nonsense. You lack basic knowledge of what energy is.
This is a fallacy of begging the question.

The universe has always existed and nothing created it.

Atomic theory states clearly that atom cannot be created. It's simple, the universe cannot be created since everything is either made of atoms or energy. Both states cannot be created.

Workch:
It doesn't even make sense, if God is energy it means that God can exist in form of crude oil, electricity, nuclear bomb and the sun.

All these are energy.
Does that make any sense to you?

Even humans can releases energy when they die and they combust. We are chemical energy source.

Goats, pigs are also energy. Petrol, paper, wood etc are energy sources.

You don't know what energy is and you are not willing to learn

You can Google it since you have proven you don't know science

You can never see energy

There is no manifestation of energy that is visible. Even light itself is not visible. That may seem strange, but get two flashlights, two lasers or a flashlight and a laser in a dark room with very little dust. Turn on the lights and try to point them so that the light beams pass through each other. One things you’ll notice is that you don’t see the beams in clear air. You can see spots on the wall where light reflects. Then you’ll notice that it’s hard to tell if you have two beams of light passing through each other. Light doesn’t reflect off light! We see things only if they are sources of light with the light coming into our eyes or if they reflect light. Consequently light itself can’t be seen.

You also can’t see heat in the sense that you suggest. What makes a flame visible is that the high temperatures of fuel and oxidizer as they combine result in many electrons going to higher energy levels. When they quickly drop toward the ground states, photons are emitted. But you can’t see photons! You can see with emitted photons, and what you are seeing is the hot gas that is emitting photons. The gas is not “heat,” and heat isn’t energy. In thermodynamics heat is defined as energy transferred between two systems as a result of a temperature difference.

This points to the answer that we can’t see energy, but we can often see the effects of energy...

Workch:
It doesn't even make sense, if God is energy it means that God can exist in form of crude oil, electricity, nuclear bomb and the sun.

All these are energy.
Does that make any sense to you?

This things you list are carries of energy not energy itself

Workch:
You don't know what energy is and you are not willing to learn

I will advice you to Google it you can not see energy

Am surprised at your defense

Bishopkingsley:
You can Google it since you have proven you don't know science

You can never see energy

There is no manifestation of energy that is visible. Even light itself is not visible. That may seem strange, but get two flashlights, two lasers or a flashlight and a laser in a dark room with very little dust. Turn on the lights and try to point them so that the light beams pass through each other. One things you’ll notice is that you don’t see the beams in clear air. You can see spots on the wall where light reflects. Then you’ll notice that it’s hard to tell if you have two beams of light passing through each other. Light doesn’t reflect off light! We see things only if they are sources of light with the light coming into our eyes or if they reflect light. Consequently light itself can’t be seen.

You also can’t see heat in the sense that you suggest. What makes a flame visible is that the high temperatures of fuel and oxidizer as they combine result in many electrons going to higher energy levels. When they quickly drop toward the ground states, photons are emitted. But you can’t see photons! You can see with emitted photons, and what you are seeing is the hot gas that is emitting photons. The gas is not “heat,” and heat isn’t energy. In thermodynamics heat is defined as energy transferred between two systems as a result of a temperature difference.

This points to the answer that we can’t see energy, but we can often see the effects of energy...



This things you list are carries of energy not energy itself



I will advice you to Google it you can not see energy

Am surprised at your defense

Lol

Types of energy
1. Chemical energy: Food, petrol, firewood
2. Nuclear energy: stars, radioactive elements like uranium and plutonium
3. Electrical energy : currents
4. Sound energy: sound wave
5. Light energy: light wave
6. Heat: entropy

Forms of energy
1. Kinetic: object in motion like light and vehicle
2. Potential energy: virtue of position E.g food and crude oil


It's a pity you think all these are God

You are funny, you think you know but you are totally ignorant.

Illiterate trying to teach basic physics of energy. You better go educate yourself first before defending your imaginary freind.

Bishopkingsley:
You can Google it since you have proven you don't know science

You can never see energy

There is no manifestation of energy that is visible. Even light itself is not visible. That may seem strange, but get two flashlights, two lasers or a flashlight and a laser in a dark room with very little dust. Turn on the lights and try to point them so that the light beams pass through each other. One things you’ll notice is that you don’t see the beams in clear air. You can see spots on the wall where light reflects. Then you’ll notice that it’s hard to tell if you have two beams of light passing through each other. Light doesn’t reflect off light! We see things only if they are sources of light with the light coming into our eyes or if they reflect light. Consequently light itself can’t be seen.

You also can’t see heat in the sense that you suggest. What makes a flame visible is that the high temperatures of fuel and oxidizer as they combine result in many electrons going to higher energy levels. When they quickly drop toward the ground states, photons are emitted. But you can’t see photons! You can see with emitted photons, and what you are seeing is the hot gas that is emitting photons. The gas is not “heat,” and heat isn’t energy. In thermodynamics heat is defined as energy transferred between two systems as a result of a temperature difference.

This points to the answer that we can’t see energy, but we can often see the effects of energy...



This things you list are carries of energy not energy itself



I will advice you to Google it you can not see energy

Am surprised at your defense

You can never see energy

Nonsense statement

A little research on theory of relativity would have saved you this embarrassing statement. Illiterate

Workch:
You can never see energy

Nonsense statement

A little research on theory of relativity would have saved you this embarrassing statement. Illiterate

Workch:
Lol

Types of energy
1. Chemical energy: Food, petrol, firewood
2. Nuclear energy: stars, radioactive elements like uranium and plutonium
3. Electrical energy : currents
4. Sound energy: sound wave
5. Light energy: light wave
6. Heat: entropy

Forms of energy
1. Kinetic: object in motion like light and vehicle
2. Potential energy: virtue of position E.g food and crude oil


It's a pity you think all these are God

You are funny, you think you know but you are totally ignorant.

Illiterate trying to teach basic physics of energy. You better go educate yourself first before defending your imaginary freind.

Workch:
Illiterate trying to teach basic physics of energy. You better go educate yourself first before defending your imaginary freind.

My trade mark here is I never insult or abuse people and I don't recieve abuse or insult

But from this words I can see you don't know my rules it either you apologize or we part ways

I follow Bible principles we give all men respect

Bishopkingsley:
My trade mark here is I never insult or abuse people and I don't recieve abuse or insult

But from this words I can see you don't know my rules it either you apologize or we part ways

I follow Bible principles we give all men respect

I think I should start serving atomic bomb, since God is Energy.

I have had patience with you spewing quack science. This is the height.

If you don't know what Energy is then you humble yourself and let's educate you. Don't come here claiming you know it while you are as blank as an A4 paper.

Bishopkingsley:
My trade mark here is I never insult or abuse people and I don't recieve abuse or insult

But from this words I can see you don't know my rules it either you apologize or we part ways

I follow Bible principles we give all men respect

You apologize for spewing trash science.

You have accept that you science is trash and religiously motivated

Workch:
I think I should start serving atomic bomb, since God is Energy.

I have had patience with you spewing quack science. This is the height.

If you don't know what Energy is then you humble yourself and let's educate you. Don't come here claiming you know it while you are as blank as an A4 paper.

Workch:
You apologize for spewing trash science.

You have accept that you science is trash and religiously motivated

my friend since you are not ready to respect your fellow man

Peace bye

Bishopkingsley:
my friend since you are not ready to respect your fellow man

Peace bye

Alright man.

But Energy is not God.
Don't say that again.
Go in peace

Workch:
Alright man.

But Energy is not God.
Don't say that again.
Go in peace

May God's peace rest on you bye

God is a God of order rules is what keeps the universe from spinning off

That why God gave everything to Adam and gave him a control switch

Called one commandment

Don't eat this fruit

Which means don't disobey me once Adam breaks that switch

Automatically death comes in

God doesn't respect anyone so he demands absolute worship if you refuse to worship your creator you condemn your self

So you have to decide to obey his words

Bishopkingsley:
God doesn't respect anyone so he demands absolute worship if you refuse to worship your creator you condemn your self

So you have to decide to obey his words

keep talking about God and HIS attributes and also keep up your teachings

Stop engaging these people, from when you start to engaged them till now , what have you Gained?

Their aim was to derail your thread ,(they did)

I was reading keenly especially the part about Micheal and the devil , it reveals alot to my soul and understanding.

Know the difference between trying to teach and and trying to engage.. you teach willing people you engage unwilling people

Unwilling people have a mission, they are not willing to be taught they are just after their concealed intentions

greencard:
keep talking about God and HIS attributes and also keep up your teachings

Stop engaging these people, from when you start to engaged them till now , what have you Gained?

Their aim was to derail your thread ,(they did)

I was reading keenly especially the part about Micheal and the devil , it reveals alot to my soul and understanding.

Know the difference between trying to teach and and trying to engage.. you teach willing people you engage unwilling people

Unwilling people have a mission, they are not willing to be taught they are just after their concealed intentions

I understand what you are saying

But scripture wants us to use every available means to win them so that they will not say in the last day that no one preached to them

You have to engage them and if possible allow them to derail the thread so that they can feel happy and open up

God already said his word is the only thing that can divide the soul and the spirit so as long as they hear the word of God it will keep hitting them hard until you win those chosen by God

Bishopkingsley:
I understand what you are saying

But scripture wants us to use every available means to win them so that they will not say in the last day that no one preached to them

You have to engage them and if possible allow them to derail the thread so that they can feel happy and open up

God already said his word is the only thing that can divide the soul and the spirit so as long as they hear the word of God it will keep hitting them hard until you win those chosen by God

it's alright then keep up the good work

greencard:
it's alright then keep up the good work

Not only me we all remember you have to also do your part winning souls is a commandment from God

Join the train let win people for God there is no sin God can't forgive God loves those who still say they don't believe in him

We speak because we believe so therefore we speak

Use the name of Jesus to cast out Devils