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LordReed:
Non est non.

creaturae non invenient eorum creatores

kingxsamz:
Like I said, stop trying too hard.

Like I said, you guys are too much fun to miss out on!

Dtruthspeaker:
creaturae non invenient eorum creatores

Certe, di quidem non sunt inventi.

LordReed:
Why do you think the life that gave rise to life on earth is a god?

The Ultimate source of life is God because he is the only self existent being,

kingxsamz:
This is poor logic lol.
If I want to know what would happen to a human if they got hit by a car, I can go online and watch videos of accidents where such already happened. We can also use 'test dummies' to ascertain what would happen to a human body if they got hit by a moving vehicle. So this is far from having faith.
Also, bacteria and diseases can be observed based on research and observation like you said. So tell us, what observation and research did you make that made you come to a conclusion that there's a god who created the world for two white people who ate a magical fruit after being deceived by a talking snake?

Watching videos of people hit by a car is not a proof, just like watching videos of people performing magic become a proof.

Dummies do not have life, getting hit by a car does not kill them because they do not have life in the first instance.

@bolded my conclusion about the existence of God is by observing the creations itself.

The sheer complexity of life itself makes it impossible to be a product of random events and only an infinity being is capable of bring these to existence.

Something cannot come out of nothing as can be seen from our day to day life.

kingxsamz:
Lol, humans are not metal and metal are not humans. Besides, you people claim your god has a son, a son who came to earth with human genitals and all. So that point is invalid.
Also, if you're going to use the 'metal analogy', would you agree that the creators of the metal (humans) were also created? If yes, then that applies to your god.

You don't get it do you? Humans are not metals neither are metals humans, same way God is not part of creation neither is creation part of God.
Just as it is illogical to use metals to analyze humans so it is illogical to use humans to analyze God.
Because humans were created does not mean God must be created or else he ceases to be the ultimate source.

If you're going to tell us that the creation cannot know what the creator is made of, how then can you know that the creator wasn't also created? even your so called logic is against you. Funny guy.

The ultimate source of All things is not created else he ceases to be God.

Steep:
You don't get it do you? Humans are not metals neither are metals humans, same way God is not part of creation neither is creation part of God.
Just as it is illogical to use metals to analyze humans so it is illogical to use humans to analyze God.

stop contradicting yourself. You literally just used metal and humans to analyze now you're saying it's illogical. If you're going to use metal and humans to analyze, then you have to admit that humans who made metal were also created. So when you substitute metal for humans, then you have to admit that your god was also created just like humans who created metal were also created.

Because humans were created does not mean God must be created or else he ceases to be the ultimate source.

You'd have to bring your observations and research for that my guy. Since your god is not part of our creation, let us know how you arrived at the conclusion that your god is the final stop.

Steep:
Watching videos of people hit by a car is not a proof, just like watching videos of people performing magic become a proof.

Dummies do not have life, getting hit by a car does not kill them because they do not have life in the first instance.

@bolded my conclusion about the existence of God is by observing the creations itself.

The sheer complexity of life itself makes it impossible to be a product of random events and only an infinity being is capable of bring these to existence.

Something cannot come out of nothing as can be seen from our day to day life.

Lol, watching real CCTV videos of people being hit by a vehicle is enough proof that you might probably die if you're hit by a vehicle.
Keyword: 'probably'.

Steep
For example we believe if we jump into a moving vehicle we might get killed

You were the one who said that in the quote, not me.
Now bring your observations for your god's existence and let us knos how you arrived at the conclusion that it's a he and also has a son. I'm waiting.

LordReed:
Certe, di quidem non sunt inventi.

Certe, creaturae non invenient eorum creatores.

Steep:
The Ultimate source of life is God because he is the only self existent being,

How did you come to know this?

kingxsamz:
stop contradicting yourself. You literally just used metal and humans to analyze now you're saying it's illogical. If you're going to use metal and humans to analyze, then you have to admit that humans who made metal were also created. So when you substitute metal for humans, then you have to admit that your god was also created just like humans who created metal were also created.

These question is only valid if God was part of the creation, just like sayi4+ng "If cars are made of metals, then the creators should also be made of metals"

You'd have to bring your observations and research for that my guy. Since your god is not part of our creation, let us know how you arrived at the conclusion that your god is the final stop.

The word 'Ultimate creator' is the final full stop and that is what is called God.

kingxsamz:
Lol, watching real CCTV videos of people being hit by a vehicle is enough proof that you might probably die if you're hit by a vehicle.
Keyword: 'probably'.


You were the one who said that in the quote, not me.
Now bring your observations for your god's existence and let us knos how you arrived at the conclusion that it's a he and also has a son. I'm waiting.

How do you know it is real and not doctored?

Ola17:
How did you come to know this?

Because he is the ultimate creator if he had a beginning then he would not be God

Steep:
Because he is the ultimate creator if he had a beginning then he would not be God

How did you know that he’s the ultimate creator and has no beginning?

Steep:
How do you know it is real and not doctored?

What kind of question is that?
Do you even need a CCTV footage to know that if you get hit by a moving vehicle, you could die? Like seriously? Are we really discussing about this?
And they're not doctored videos. You can literally go on gore sites and you'll see numerous death videos to cure your curiosity.
You're questioning the authenticity of CCTV footages but you don't want anyone to question your belief in your god even though you have ZERO evidence or any form of research that points to its existence. Nawa.

Steep:
These question is only valid if God was part of the creation, just like sayi4+ng "If cars are made of metals, then the creators should also be made of metals"

The word 'Ultimate creator' is the final full stop and that is what is called God.

No one is arguing that your god is made up of meat, blood, water and various organs found in the human body.
The argument is if you insist that everything must have a creator, then your god must also have a creator. If you say your god has no creator, you have to give us evidence of how you were able to find that out.
You don't even know what you're arguing about sef.

Steep:
Because he is the ultimate creator if he had a beginning then he would not be God

How did you come to know this and you're answering another thing?
He didn't ask you why, he asked how, so tell us how you came to know such information.

Steep:
The Ultimate source of life is God because he is the only self existent being,

And you know this how?

Steep:
Because he is the ultimate creator if he had a beginning then he would not be God

Steep, as you see, answering In this direction is Flawed because, you do not know for A Truth. That is what those Anti-God are trying to put to you and in Truth, you can not sustain this argument.

They too argued this way before they realised that they should no longer deceive themselves that they Wanted God whereas, they did not.

Remember, 99% of Anti-God were Church Goers (Not Christ Likes). So they do know your line of reasoning and why it does not stand.

Ola17:
How did you know that he’s the ultimate creator and has no beginning?

That is what it means to be God.

kingxsamz:
What kind of question is that?
Do you even need a CCTV footage to know that if you get hit by a moving vehicle, you could die? Like seriously? Are we really discussing about this?
And they're not doctored videos. You can literally go on gore sites and you'll see numerous death videos to cure your curiosity.
You're questioning the authenticity of CCTV footages but you don't want anyone to question your belief in your god even though you have ZERO evidence or any form of research that points to its existence. Nawa.

I only flipped your logic, Do you need anyone to tell you things do not exist without a cause?

kingxsamz:
No one is arguing that your god is made up of meat, blood, water and various organs found in the human body.
The argument is if you insist that everything must have a creator, then your god must also have a creator. If you say your god has no creator, you have to give us evidence of how you were able to find that out.
You don't even know what you're arguing about sef.

Have you seen anything that exist without a cause?

LordReed:
And you know this how?

Because life has never being observed to be formed from non living things, so there must be an ultimate life that caused other life to spring forth.
God is what we call the ultimate life giver.

Steep:
Because life has never being observed to be formed from non living things, so there must be an ultimate life that caused other life to spring forth.
God is what we call the ultimate life giver.

Have you observed this ultimate life giver creating life?

Steep:
That is what it means to be God.

How did you know what it means to be God?
From dictionary definitions?

Steep:
I only flipped your logic, Do you need anyone to tell you things do not exist without a cause?

You're not flipping anything bro.
Stop being delusional and answer the question.

Steep:
Because life has never being observed to be formed from non living things, so there must be an ultimate life that caused other life to spring forth.
God is what we call the ultimate life giver.

They keep asking you "how" you arrived at this conclusion and you keep answering with "because". How did you get your information? If you won't answer that just ignore abeg. The argument is already boring.

Uv

Steep:
Have you seen anything that exist without a cause?

So maintain the same position for your god then.

Dtruthspeaker:
Certe, creaturae non invenient eorum creatores.

Vera di non possunt inveniri.

Yes, blind people believe in a lot of things.
You said believe you didn’t know say knowing.