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haffaze777:
Come and force me to vote Igbo u hear

Penguin2:
“Politics is all about interest”. That’s what you said.

Now, the Igbos think their interest is better covered by a northerner in 2023. Just like the Yoruba felt their interest would be best covered by Buhari in 2015. I hope you don’t have issues with that?

About paradigm shift from northern rule, after 12 years of northern rule, 8 years of Southwestern rule, 6 years Southsouth rule with 8 years of Southwest Vice presidency, which region do you think deserves power in the south when we make a paradigm shift from the north?

You are out to set a trap for me. But let me say it clearly that the North believes in turn by turn leadership cos they believe every section of Nigeria has competent hands but the system is infested with self centered political elites' thus the believe by most southerners that Northerners are power mongers. Gej is a southerner but southerners moved against him. That single action gave power to a section of the North and another section of the North is also out to use the same strategy to return to Aso Rock. Southern disunity is aiding the North &because of that disunity, the campaign in APC is all about returning power to the South West because they made it possible for GMB to be president &their son is VP. They are right, they are pursuing their interest. but do other southerners subscribe to it? NO. And that is the problem. The South South has a case, having served one term and the South East which has had none. The South South & South East should concentrate on their interest by calling for a president from there areas instead of advocating for a Northern president. If the SS & SE push hard maybe just maybe the SW will drop their self interest. because without the South standing together the North will defeat her, the North deploy will the misgivings of the SE &SS to return to Aso Rock. Only an insincere person will believe that SS & SE will vote a SW president. Haba! Even here power is either shifting to North East or North Central, North West knows it can't make claims.
The APC will zone her ticket to the South & that PDP is likely to be won by the North going by the fact that a Southerner was the last president. The South should unite and give it to SS or SE so as to bring power to their region. The truth is, only the North can let the ticket in the PDP go to the South &I doubt if that will happen but nothing can be ruled out because the North is unpredictable. They can let go &come back in full force.

The South East in the South has a case, and it is valid.
Anything short of a SE or SS president.... means a Northern president. It's the game. No more Buhari factor, the North is about to play the South....

Bendeco02:
Yoruba knows which game? Shut up Oga

If other southerners start playing corny and asslicking politics like Yorubas, then till next 100 years no yoruba man can be president of Nigeria... Politics is a game of number, so forget all those ur long talk.

As it stands currently, South South & South East are one politically. If they choose to support any northern candidate come 2023 under PDP, then tell me how you guys can achieve that ur unrealistic presidential dream.

You guys will realise that u're on political isolation come 2023... As Buhari take congratulate Soludo (APGA candidate) that's how he will congratulate Atiku if he should contest against ur over hype Tinubu..

Average yoruba man think and reason like woman and sees that as smartness, that's why you don't learn from previous event's.

Your rant and emotional jabbing can't give you presidency, it is your work, dedication and commitment that can make others support you.

Why lumping SS together with SE? Does it mean your region is inconsequential to demand for presidency from Nigerians, people like you are the one ridiculing Igbo people.

Why is it your concern if SW is defeated in 2023, it is better to contest and lose than to cover yourself in your wife's rapper and watch the contest.

SW is a partner in Nigeria project, you cant rubbish them and not pay for it dearly

The North are preparing to hand over power to a SW candidate in 2023 while Igbos are planning to sabotage SW presidency just like they did to M.K.O Abiola in 1993.. guess what, the Northerners voted en masse for M.K.O while Igbos in the East voted en masse against him yet M.K.O still won the election that the Babangida regime annuled.

Judging from what happened to M.K.O Abiola, Igbos don't deserve any Yoruba support for presidency. Let them meet the North they always vote for to vote for them in 2023.

Penguin2:
Did Nigeria practice One Party System in 1999 when the candidates of the major political parties were all Yorubas?

You can take back the hands of times and start living in the 90s, that's your choice

aribisala0:
How is what the Eboes do in politics the business of Yoruba ?

Has it ever been our concern or made any difference to us?
Do what you must do and stop all these childish annoucements

Then tell Rotimi Akeredolu to stop leading a deceitful drive for southern unity that is geared towards the presidential drive of the Yoruba, you hear?

Bitterness is their portion

ScamHunter:
We all know that the north must present one candidate in either or both APC and PDP. The norther will back their fellow northerner irrespective of if they're in PDP or APC so the north already has won 2023. In reality, instead of a Yoruba, let the north win. As I said, they're the weak link in the south in all ramifications of the word.

Just imagine the bitterness in your submission. Yen yen yen, you will cry blood, SW will contest and there's nothing you can do about it.

Shameful, you are even hoping on how the north will vote in order to defeat SW, you are simply suggestion SE is inconsequential, you have already conceded defeat before the fight, now tell who is coward between SW and SE?

ScamHunter:
No need. A southerner can never win without southern consensus and northern support. The north can NEVER give up power without southern unity. This is not 2015 when they were in the position of weakness so projecting ANY southern candidate is a waste of time. Presenting ANY Yoruba candidate is almost foolishness. So it is southern unity in favor of Igbo or Northern president in 2023.

You are too naive to understand politics and too emotionally unstable to make a coherent argument, otherwise you would know the North needs SW badly to retain the unity of this country.

Even Atiku would vote SW to ensure Nigeria does not disintegrate. The recent developments among the SW hope and aboad is a warning that the region is longer ready to play father Christmas in Nigeria project, if your region can't demand for it's share from Nigeria how is that Yoruba's problem?

You guys are politically naive and emotionally blind, just continue in your skirmishes, 2023 is not far

Penguin2:
Did Nigeria practice One Party System in 1999 when the candidates of the major political parties were all Yorubas?

Alex ekwueme contested under PDP and lost

ScamHunter:
No need. A southerner can never win without southern consensus and northern support. The north can NEVER give up power without southern unity. This is not 2015 when they were in the position of weakness so projecting ANY southern candidate is a waste of time. Presenting ANY Yoruba candidate is almost foolishness. So it is southern unity in favor of Igbo or Northern president in 2023.

Okay!

NMk for President!!

Ttalk:
You are too naive to understand politics and too emotionally unstable to make a coherent argument, otherwise you would know the North needs SW badly to retain the unity of this country.

Even Atiku would vote SW to ensure Nigeria does not disintegrate. The recent developments among the SW hope and aboad is a warning that the region is longer ready to play father Christmas in Nigeria project, if your region can't demand for it's share from Nigeria how is that Yoruba's problem?

You guys are politically naive and emotionally blind, just continue in your skirmishes, 2023 is not far

Really? And the same north will watch idly while Fulani sends you all on exile? The way you guys reason is astounding. You must be very sophisticated.... Let me tell you a secret. They DO NOT NEED YOU to keep Nigeria united. They rather need you in Benin republic and that is the next agenda. Mumu fifo. O geme unu vam nanya

Ttalk:
Just imagine the bitterness in your submission. Yen yen yen, you will cry blood, SW will contest and there's nothing you can do about it.

Shameful, you are even hoping on how the north will vote in order to defeat SW, you are simply suggestion SE is inconsequential, you have already conceded defeat before the fight, now tell who is coward between SW and SE?

In 2023, the project we shall launch is Operation Empower North for More IDPs in Benin Republic

You remember Yoruba's strategy in 2015? Vote Buhari, Think Osibanjo when you guys thought Buhari would die half-way so that your treacherous tribe would assume power? Now our program and game plan is, empower Fulani since we know they'll send Yoruba on exile in Republic Du Benin. It's good for politics to involve strategy to outwit your rivals the way you guys outwitted SE and SS in 2015. It's now our turn.

ScamHunter:
Really? And the same north will watch idly while Fulani sends you all on exile? The way you guys reason is astounding. You must be very sophisticated.... Let me tell you a secret. They DO NOT NEED YOU to keep Nigeria united. They rather need you in Benin republic and that is the next agenda. Mumu fifo. O geme unu vam nanya

Pele, na like that e pain you reach. I don't like sounding like this but your type would make many of us take a decision against you lots.

I repeat, SW has what it takes to negotiate it's continuous existence.

SW has port
SW is gateway to West Africa region
SW has flourishing economy at least compare to other region
SW has international Airport
SW has Lagos as economics heartbeat of Nigeria.
SW has highest nonOil remittance to Nigeria
SW has largest diaspora population
SW has the highest number of banking activities
SW has highest number of tertiary institutions

SW is pragmatic, savvy, intelligent and very diplomatic, ignore all these at your own peril.

A ju wonlo ai segbe won, egbe baba won lanse

ScamHunter:
In 2023, the project we shall launch is Operation Empower North for More IDPs in Benin Republic

You remember Yoruba's strategy in 2015? Vote Buhari, Think Osibanjo when you guys thought Buhari would die half-way so that your treacherous tribe would assume power? Now our program and game plan is, empower Fulani since we know they'll send Yoruba on exile in Republic Du Benin. It's good for politics to involve strategy to outwit your rivals the way you guys outwitted SE and SS in 2015. It's now our turn.

But same Buhari has been sending your people to grave. The recent killing in your region can only be rival by NE, yet you won't see that

Ttalk:
But same Buhari has been sending your people to grave. The recent killing in your region can only be rival by NE, yet you won't see that

Yes, that's where you're right. Sending our people to the grave is because they have no hope of taking over our land, unlike in your case. Both grave and exodus is your portion and finally, all Yoruba land becomes a Fulani emirate. Thanks to your foolishness in 2015

Ttalk:
Pele, na like that e pain you reach. I don't like sounding like this but your type would make many of us take a decision against you lots.

I repeat, SW has what it takes to negotiate it's continuous existence.

SW has port
SW is gateway to West Africa region
SW has flourishing economy at least compare to other region
SW has international Airport
SW has Lagos as economics heartbeat of Nigeria.
SW has highest nonOil remittance to Nigeria
SW has largest diaspora population
SW has the highest number of banking activities
SW has highest number of tertiary institutions

SW is pragmatic, savvy, intelligent and very diplomatic, ignore all these at your own peril.

A ju wonlo ai segbe won, egbe baba won lanse

Finally, all those are for Fulani emirate that Yoruba land will soon become. When they're building rail for you, they're seeing your land as a future possession just like Ilorin. Why are they not building in the East? It's a no-go area na

ScamHunter:
Yes, that's where you're right. Sending our people to the grave is because they have no hope of taking over our land, unlike in your case. Both grave and exodus is your portion and finally, all Yoruba land becomes a Fulani emirate. Thanks to your foolishness in 2015

I see, you prefer grave to being alive right? When I say many of you are emotionally blind it nothing but the truth.

Imagine human being making jest of people in IDP when his own people are daily being slaughter like ram. You ain't got no shame

ScamHunter:
Finally, all those are for Fulani emirate that Yoruba land will soon become. When they're building rail for you, they're seeing your land as a future possession just like Ilorin. Why are they not building in the East? It's a no-go area na

Including your fine yogo and gala hawkers that litters the streets of SW

Ttalk:
I see, you prefer grave to being alive right? When I say many of you are emotionally blind it nothing but the truth.

Imagine human being making jest of people in IDP when his own people are daily being slaughter like ram. You ain't got no shame

Nwokem, 2023 is Fulani turn. Stop crying...

ScamHunter:
Nwokem, 2023 is Fulani turn. Stop crying...

Yen yen yen, at least North and SW candidate will be on the ballot box, we are still region to reckon with but your inconsequential that your president called dot in the circle would always be remember when python wanted to dance

Ttalk:
Yen yen yen, at least North and SW candidate will be on the ballot box, we are still region to reckon with but you would always be remember when python wanted to dance

Wow, you're beginning to have a little sense. Y'all will be on ballot paper. Congrats for that. Enjoy being on ballot paper while it lasts. since the next time, you may no longer be in Nigeria. Thanks to your new IDP homes.

ScamHunter:
Wow, you're beginning to have a little sense. Y'all will be on ballot paper. Congrats for that. Enjoy being on ballot paper while it lasts. since the next time, you may no longer be in Nigeria. Thanks to your new IDP homes.

You have no sense, between me and Namadi kunu, who is fighting to leave Nigeria?

Go and hide under your Momma's skirt when politics is being discussed, you are too emotional to reason properly when it comes to politics

By tomorrow open another emotional laden threat to tell us how how North would vote their own and how you would prefer a northerner than a SWner, you will meet us here as we would always shred your kindergarten political analysis into dustbin where it belongs

meccuno:
pain me? I just feel sorry for your generations to come.

know this and have peace that Cownu fendy lover is not leaving zoo prison anytime soon

slivertongue:
You are out to set a trap for me. But let me say it clearly that the North believes in turn by turn leadership cos they believe every section of Nigeria has competent hands but the system is infested with self centered political elites' thus the believe by most southerners that Northerners are power mongers. Gej is a southerner but southerners moved against him. That single action gave power to a section of the North and another section of the North is also out to use the same strategy to return to Aso Rock. Southern disunity is aiding the North &because of that disunity, the campaign in APC is all about returning power to the South West because they made it possible for GMB to be president &their son is VP. They are right, they are pursuing their interest. but do other southerners subscribe to it? NO. And that is the problem. The South South has a case, having served one term and the South East which has had none. The South South & South East should concentrate on their interest by calling for a president from there areas instead of advocating for a Northern president. If the SS & SE push hard maybe just maybe the SW will drop their self interest. because without the South standing together the North will defeat her, the North deploy will the misgivings of the SE &SS to return to Aso Rock. Only an insincere person will believe that SS & SE will vote a SW president. Haba! Even here power is either shifting to North East or North Central, North West knows it can't make claims.
The APC will zone her ticket to the South & that PDP is likely to be won by the North going by the fact that a Southerner was the last president. The South should unite and give it to SS or SE so as to bring power to their region. The truth is, only the North can let the ticket in the PDP go to the South &I doubt if that will happen but nothing can be ruled out because the North is unpredictable. They can let go &come back in full force.

The South East in the South has a case, and it is valid.
Anything short of a SE or SS president.... means a Northern president. It's the game. No more Buhari factor, the North is about to play the South....

Thanks for this sincere analysis and I must say I’m surprised to see you this logical and not throwing insults. I used to think of you as someone troublesome. Lol!

Now back to the topic, the things you said are true.

The north will ride on Southern division to power.

And you know why the SS or SE are not demanding the PDP ticket? Because with Igbo man as PDP candidate and a Yoruba as APC candidate, the north would be more likely to reward the Southwest for helping Buhari to power. The 2015 voting pattern might be repeated.

That’s why the SS and SE are willing to give up the position for a northerner instead the Southwest will win. The rest of the south is prepared to payback the Southwest in its own coin for 2015 treachery.

But if the Southwest were to concede the presidency to Southeast, trust the PDP governors, who are majorly southerners from SS and SE, to influence the PDP ticket coming to the Southeast as well.

Anything short of that, then the north should continue.

Ttalk:
Pele, na like that e pain you reach. I don't like sounding like this but your type would make many of us take a decision against you lots.

I repeat, SW has what it takes to negotiate it's continuous existence.

SW has port
SW is gateway to West Africa region
SW has flourishing economy at least compare to other region
SW has international Airport
SW has Lagos as economics heartbeat of Nigeria.
SW has highest nonOil remittance to Nigeria
SW has largest diaspora population
SW has the highest number of banking activities
SW has highest number of tertiary institutions

SW is pragmatic, savvy, intelligent and very diplomatic, ignore all these at your own peril.

A ju wonlo ai segbe won, egbe baba won lanse

“There’s an Igbo in every country of the world”. Have you heard that phrase before?

Now where is your claim of Southwest having the highest diaspora population coming from?

Apart from the UK and the US, where else are Yorubas found abroad?

Some of you just keep showing how uninformed you are in things you keep delving into.

And about other stuff you mentioned, is it the Southeast that can’t survive on it’s own?

Rubbish There has never been anything like South politically
Goodluck Jonathan was supported in 2011 by the SW not because of a "southern" unity or agenda
He was voted out not because of any other reason than his incompetence and clannishness. Crucially he did not carry the SW along in his government or at least that was the perception in the SW

Goodluck Jonathan was the singular architect of his defeat in the SW

When he came to power the PDP was in charge of most states in the SW but he and those close to him decided Obasanjo was an enemy and he moved against those he perceived to be close to Obasanjo with the consequence that he lost Ekiti, Ogun, Osun and Oyo and come 2015 PDP did not have a strong structure in the SW.

All politicians in Nigeria are selfish and they need to chop. Unfortunately there was no chop chop for Yoruba PDP members and Tinubu took advantage

Eboes now playing victim should reflect on their role and behaviour during GEJ's government.

This happened in 2011 early in his government
https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan

The Yoruba voted him in with 5 out of 6 states won and the other he got more than 25% .What was their reward? either in terms of patronage or projects.
What did he do even for his own Bayelsa ?

He simply was no fit to be president and the SW did not benefit from his government

He was responsible for the rise of Tinubu in the SW. There were many people e.g Fayose , Obanikoro whom he could have empowered early enough to squeeze Tinubu but he made a false choice of choosing Eboes over the SW and went about making ridiculous statements to that effect.
That was an opportunity for the so called southern unity but neither he nor the Eboes believed in that .
Read this thread if you doubt it
https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan
So do not talk to us of Southern unity
We will always contest the presidency win or lose and nothing you Eboes say will change that. We have no business with you in politics

Penguin2:
As 2015 Elections drew nigh, Tinubu led the Action Congress of Nigeria, ACN, a dominant party in the Southwest, into an alliance with CPC, a predominantly northern party, and other parties into an alliance that birthed the APC.

The APC went into the 2015 elections with Buhari, a northerner, as candidate and subsequently won the election.

But that came at the expense of the then president, Goodluck Jonathan, a southerner.

So, against southern interest, and against every reminder of Buhari’s antecedents of incompetence, majority of Southwest voters helped Buhari to power.

And that was how a southerner lost power through the help of southerners.

Now, as the 2023 elections approach, discussions are on, on who should succeed Buhari and ironically, the region who threw Southern interest to the winds in 2015 seem to be at the forefront, championing southern interest. They have tried to remind all who cared to listen that it won’t be good for southern interest if another Northerner succeeds Buhari.

And you are forced to ask them, “where was your knowledge of southern interest in 2015?”.

Surreptitiously, these folks seem to talk about southern unity and interest when it will favour them. And when it doesn’t, then they work against it and call it “sophistication”.

But in 2023, it’s either the Southwest endorses the Southeast for the presidency which would unite the entire Southern Nigeria behind an Igbo presidency, or power will go back to the north. F***k Southern unity and interest.

This is because any political watcher who wants to be realistic with himself, knows that a southwest Presidential candidate won’t have the votes to guarantee him victory.

Let’s check things out a little, the Southwest is not even a sure straight victory for him not to talk of the north where he might be squaring up against PDP’s northern candidate. So if the north does not vote for a Yoruba candidate then he’s gone because he’s an orphan in the south.

But not so with the PDP candidate. With PDP candidate likely coming from the north, PDP is sure of at least half of northern votes plus the votes of Southsouth and Southeast and the PDP northern candidate will be declared winner.

Another thing you need to consider is that in 2015 when APC won, almost all northern influential political power broker were in APC. From Atiku, to Kwankwaso to Saraki to Tambuwal and many more. While others who were not fully into politics like IBB and co, provided tacit support. But these men are back to the PDP and that means a lot. Except you wanna live in denial.

Now, in 2031, after PDP’s candidate’s likely 8 year rule, the PDP might justifiably want to give its ticket to an Igbo man. Now the Southwest, fearing that Power equation may not favor them if a Yoruba man insisted on the APC ticket, might concede the ticket to a northerner who they would hope would help them win an Igbo PDP candidate in the elections.

Now, let’s assume the northern APC candidate wins the Presidency against the Igbo man in 2031, then the Igbos will wait for another 8 years to exert their own revenge in 2039 by supporting another northerner to take the PDP ticket instead of a Yoruba candidate winning the election.

And that’s how the vicious cycle would continue ad infinitum until maybe Nigeria disintegrates or the South comes to its senses.

But there’s a shorter route out of the whole mess; and that’s by the Southwest throwing their weight behind the Southeast bid for the presidency in 2023. With that, Igbo men would emerge candidates of both APC and PDP and whichever party that wins, it would be victory for the southeast and Southern unity would be cemented and whenever it is the Yorubas’ turn for power, the Igbos will throw their weight behind them.

Penguin is a bird of reason!

There's no Ibo person ready or interested in the presidency, only faceless people like you are making noise.

Let people prepared like Tinubu, Osinbajo or Fashola take the mantle then 2039 will be the year for ibo, hopefully they would have got their acts together and show commitment to the survival of the country.

You can't hunting with the dogs and running with the hates, choose a side

Penguin2:
Thanks for this sincere analysis and I must say I’m surprised to see you this logical and not throwing insults. I used to think of you as someone troublesome. Lol!

Now back to the topic, the things you said are true.

The north will ride on Southern division to power.

And you know why the SS or SE are not demanding the PDP ticket? Because with Igbo man as PDP candidate and a Yoruba as APC candidate, the north would be more likely to reward the Southwest for helping Buhari to power. The 2015 voting pattern might be repeated.

That’s why the SS and SE are willing to give up the position for a northerner instead the Southwest will win. The rest of the south is prepared to payback the Southwest in its own coin for 2015 treachery.

But if the Southwest were to concede the presidency to Southeast, trust the PDP governors, who are majorly southerners from SS and SE, to influence the PDP ticket coming to the Southeast as well.

Anything short of that, then the north should continue.

I truly want the South to unite so that one of them will win the Presidency. The SW should support another geopolitical zone from the south to occupy Aso Rock cos even them know they can't win it. No PDP member in the North will vote for APC or Buhari in 2023. He won't be contesting &his catastrophic performance has left the North with more graves than projects thus demarketing his party. Something tells me the SW will shop for a credible politicians from the SE & support him. They know the implications of going it alone. Trust me they won't risk it, if they do hmmm. The North is already shopping for allies in the South & the SE & SS are ready made allies if the disunity continues.
Pls preach peace. Employ dialogue & persuasion, somehow the SW will have a rethink. Obj got there because other regions worked for him &so the SW must work for their southern brothers who all worked for Obj. Going it alone I restate will leave a bad taste on the lips of the SW &I know they won't take that route.

The North Central is desirous of a southern president. Buhari's coming has done more harm than good to the zone. But if the South fails to unite the zone will vote a liberal & competent Northerner under the PDP.

Penguin2:
Honestly, they seem to not learn from the past or rationalize the illogical rather than take a lesson from history.

The mistake Tinubu made in 2015 is the same mistake Awolowo made, same mistake Abiola made and at both instances they never got what they were looking for.

But Tinubu couldn’t take a cue from that, he took same road as well. And unfortunately like those before him, it will lead to doom.

Clown, it will not lead to doom only when Zik choose to serve under Tafawa Balewa, or Ekwueme served under Sheu Shagari or Sylvester Ugoh under Bashir Tofa, or Peter Obi under Atiku.

Penguin2:
Did Nigeria practice One Party System in 1999 when the candidates of the major political parties were all Yorubas?

That situation had nothing to do with Ibos, and no agreement was negotiated with Ibos to have those candidates. Stop the envy and jealousy, roll up your sleeves and work for what you want. Nobody will give you freebies

masseratti:
you lots have been corny and licking the ass of the North since 1960 playing second fiddle to the North, the records is there, PDP is and will remain a Northern Party, they call the shots there, btw both APC and PDP are both sides of same coin.. Stop the name calling and black mail.. Present a credible candidate and see if he wins rather than saying south east and south south will vote for a Northern candidate, since your father's have been voting a Northerner since 1960,instead of a fellow southerner, what benefit has it been for the South East... Please continue voting the North.. No one cares.

That's the lamentations of Penguin a perpetual loser