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tctrills:
You talk about the father being inside Jesup but Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
By your argument, this means you are also the father since the spirit of God dwells in you.

Each human being have their own spirit so when God lives in you it is the spirit of God that lives in your human spirit that is why you are not completely God because your spirit is in linkage with God spirit


But in Jesus case the spirit of Jesus is the complete spirit of God

Do you see the difference

tctrills:
Are you sure you comprehend your own words? You said Jesus is in the father and the father is in Jesus.. but now you say they are not the same... you need to make up your mind on your beliefs

I did not say it it is God that said it

John 14:11 ►
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

New Living Translation
Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of the work you have seen me do.


Now let me explain it.

Every thing you see in the universe is inside God because God is infinite and God is every where so even you if you are a child of God you are inside God Bible said that too

Now God manifest in three ways.
God manifest as

As the father
As the son
As the holy spirit

God the Father is in God
God the son is in God
God the holy spirit is in God


And God the Father is still God
And God the son is still God
And God the holy spirit is still God

Now since God the son Jesus is in God that is why the father (God) is in him and he (God) is in the father (God)

Bishopkingsley:
God the Father

Is Jesus father now

AntiChristian as you are now your soul and spirit is living inside you.

That is how God the Father and God the holy spirit is living inside Jesus

Hope you now understand it

Foolishness can't be understood. Jesus is one with his father. That means he is worshiping someone he is one with!

He even put his face to the ground for that person.

AntiChristian:
Foolishness can't be understood. Jesus is one with his father. That means he is worshiping someone he is one with!

He even put his face to the ground for that person.

I have a trade mark in everything I do

I don't abuse and insult people and I never accept it from others

Saying foolishness is an abusive word you have to apologize for saying that word

I won't accept it if you want to continue our discussion apologize

If not we part ways
God commands us to live only with people who want peace

Bishopkingsley:
I did not say it it is God that said it

John 14:11 ►
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

New Living Translation
Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of the work you have seen me do.


Now let me explain it.

Every thing you see in the universe is inside God because God is infinite and God is every where so even you if you are a child of God you are inside God Bible said that too

Now God manifest in three ways.
God manifest as

As the father
As the son
As the holy spirit

God the Father is in God
God the son is in God
God the holy spirit is in God


And God the Father is still God
And God the son is still God
And God the holy spirit is still God

Now since God the son Jesus is in God that is why the father (God) is in him and he (God) is in the father (God)

So in short, your point is that they are the same person but still they are not the same?

Jesus replied: If anyone loves me, they will obey me. Then my Father will love them, and we will come to them and live in them.

Does that mean the person then becomes the father.. remember you said Jesus is the father because the father lives in him

tctrills:
So in short, your point is that they are the same person but still they are not the same?

Jesus replied: If anyone loves me, they will obey me. Then my Father will love them, and we will come to them and live in them.

Does that mean the person then becomes the father.. remember you said Jesus is the father because the father lives in him

tctrills:
Does that mean the person then becomes the father.. remember you said Jesus is the father because the father lives in him

I did not say Jesus is the father

Try to cool down and read properly

I said Jesus is in the father.... The father is in Jesus.... I explain it above look up


Now the way you can understand it is by understanding how your soul is inside your body yet your soul is different from your body but both of them to you does not look like they are different because they do everything the same way

tctrills:
Jesus replied: If anyone loves me, they will obey me. Then my Father will love them, and we will come to them and live in them.

I explained it before that each human have their own spirit and when God lives in you your spirit plus God spirit are in linkage that why you are not completely God.


But in Jesus case Jesus spirit is actually the spirit of God himself

tctrills:
So in short, your point is that they are the same person but still they are not the same?

No my point is look at your own body and you can see your soul and spirit is living inside you...

Now can you see that both your soul and your spirit are all working together as one
Inside your body and you now can not even know the difference between all of them

Even though they are different

Bishopkingsley:
I did not say Jesus is the father

Try to cool down and read properly

I said Jesus is in the father.... The father is in Jesus.... I explain it above look up


Now the way you can understand it is by understanding how your soul is inside your body yet your soul is different from your body but both of them to you does not look like they are different because they do everything the same way



I explained it before that each human have their own spirit and when God lives in you your spirit plus God spirit are in linkage that why you are not completely God.


But in Jesus case Jesus spirit is actually the spirit of God himself



No my point is look at your own body and you can see your soul and spirit is living inside you...

Now can you see that both your soul and your spirit are all working together as one
Inside your body and you now can not even know the difference between all of them

Even though they are different

I don't even agree with your soul argument but even if it's true are you saying that the father is Jesus soul?
Again since you have now stated that Jesus isn't the same as the father then I think we finally agree

tctrills:
I don't even agree with your soul argument but even if it's true are you saying that the father is Jesus soul?
Again since you have now stated that Jesus isn't the same as the father then I think we finally agree

We can say the father is like the way our soul is but it is not it exactly

we can relate the two as equivalent to be able to understand the relationship and understand Trinity
But it is not like that

it just an example we can use...

If you notice your soul is the one who does all the thinking and even tells you what to say each time

But We can not say our soul is the same as the father because God is infinite and all powerful to be compared with our soul

But God made the soul in such a way so we can be able to relate to his own dimension when we only want to understand the way he is and the way we are

Now when it comes to Jesus the soul of Jesus is exactly the father and the spirit of Jesus is exactly the spirit of God



God one being having three qualities

The father
The son
The holy spirit


Man one being having threes qualities too
The soul
The body
The spirit

tctrills:
As I said earlier you really need to read the entire bible. Abraham is not only the father of his descendants, he is the father of all righteous. Please read the scripture before making arguments
Gal 3.29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 4.11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them.
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And he is also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

1. GENTILES do not have Abraham as their Father, only those descended from Him can claim that

2. In Jesus Christ, you are not called to then become Sons of Abraham, but instead are called to become Sons of God.

Kobojunkie:
1. GENTILES do not have Abraham as their Father, only those descended from Him can claim that

2. In Jesus Christ, you are not called to then become Sons of Abraham, but instead are called to become Sons of God.

You should have just read the Bible verses I wrote before commenting. Please seek to learn from the bible

tctrills:
You should have just read the Bible verses I wrote before commenting. Please seek to learn from the bible

You assume I didn't. They all matter little here since your question was about what about applied in the Kingdom of God and the Law in that Kingdom is Jesus Christ who made it clear to you in Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10 that there is only one Father over those who belong in the Kingdom of God and He is in Heaven.

Bishopkingsley:
We can say the father is like the way our soul is but it is not it exactly

we can relate the two as equivalent to be able to understand the relationship and understand Trinity
But it is not like that

it just an example we can use...

If you notice your soul is the one who does all the thinking and even tells you what to say each time

But We can not say our soul is the same as the father because God is infinite and all powerful to be compared with our soul

But God made the soul in such a way so we can be able to relate to his own dimension when we only want to understand the way he is and the way we are

Now when it comes to Jesus the soul of Jesus is exactly the father and the spirit of Jesus is exactly the spirit of God



God one being having three qualities

The father
The son
The holy spirit


Man one being having threes qualities too
The soul
The body
The spirit

Hope you know that you are speaking from both sides of your mouth. You need to settle down and decide if Jesus is exactly the father or not.

tctrills:
Hope you know that you are speaking from both sides of your mouth. You need to settle down and decide if Jesus is exactly the father or not.

Show me the statement that shows that I have said Jesus is the father

Bishopkingsley:
Show me the statement that shows that I have said Jesus is the father

This is your statement. .
Now when it comes to Jesus the soul of Jesus is exactly the father and the spirit of Jesus is exactly the spirit of God[color=#770077][/color]
Remember I asked you who is the father of Jesus now a followup question, is the father of Jesus also your father?

Kobojunkie:
You assume I didn't. They all matter little here since your question was about what about applied in the Kingdom of God and the Law in that Kingdom is Jesus Christ who made it clear to you in Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10 that there is only one Father over those who belong in the Kingdom of God and He is in Heaven.

Well thanks for your opinion. If some parts of the scripture don't matter to you then we can't discuss about what you don't believe.

tctrills:
Well thanks for your opinion. If some parts of the scripture don't matter to you then we can't discuss about what you don't believe.

Again, in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant agreement between God and individuals is the Law by which all who enter will be Judged. If you don't know this, then I suggest you learn who Jesus Christ really is and the why of Him and His Truth.

tctrills:
This is your statement. .
Now when it comes to Jesus the soul of Jesus is exactly the father and the spirit of Jesus is exactly the spirit of God[color=#770077][/color]
Remember I asked you who is the father of Jesus now a followup question, is the father of Jesus also your father?

So do you think that your soul is the same thing as your body or spirit

I told you the soul of man is different from the body of man

That is how the soul of Jesus(which is the father) is different from Jesus

It like you don't understand this mystery

The Bible shows the spirit of Jesus is the holy spirit

Bishopkingsley:
So do you think that your soul is the same thing as your body or spirit

I told you the soul of man is different from the body of man

That is how the soul of Jesus(which is the father) is different from Jesus

It like you don't understand this mystery

The Bible shows the spirit of Jesus is the holy spirit

It's not like I even agree with your story of soul, body and spirit..
Is the father of Jesus your father?

Kobojunkie:
Again, in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant agreement between God and individuals is the Law by which all who enter will be Judged. If you don't know this, then I suggest you learn who Jesus Christ really is and the why of Him and His Truth.

Like I said, if you don't believe some parts of the Bible, it's hard to even have the discussion.
It's like talking with a Muslim. You can't use your bible to argue with a Muslim because he doesn't Believe in it

tctrills:
It's not like I even agree with your story of soul, body and spirit..
Is the father of Jesus your father?

How can you say you don't agree with that when it is written in the Bible

1 Thessalonians 5:23 ►
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

New Living Translation
Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.


And moreover Jesus talked about
the body of man
The soul of man
The spirit of man

The father of Jesus is my father

.maybe you don't understand the mystery of Godliness

The only way to understand is by knowing how God created you

Bishopkingsley:
How can you say you don't agree with that when it is written in the Bible

1 Thessalonians 5:23 ►
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ

New Living Translation
Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.


And moreover Jesus talked about
the body of man
The soul of man
The spirit of man

The father of Jesus is my father

.maybe you don't understand the mystery of Godliness

The only way to understand is by knowing how God created you

You say it is written that man has a separate soul, body and sprit?
Read the Bible again. Man is a living soul. The spirit and body make up man.
At death the body is buried and the spirit returns to God.
The body and the spirit make up a living soul

That apart, areally you saying that the father of Jesus Christ is his soul. Your point is that God is a soul and Jesus Christ his son is a body right? So basically the soul gave birth to the body.

tctrills:
You say it is written that man has a separate soul, body and sprit?
Read the Bible again. Man is a living soul. The spirit and body make up man.
At death the body is buried and the spirit returns to God.
The body and the spirit make up a living soul

That apart, areally you saying that the father of Jesus Christ is his soul. Your point is that God is a soul and Jesus Christ his son is a body right? So basically the soul gave birth to the body.

As true Christians, we believe in a Triune God who exists as one being and three persons – God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Let’s take how God the Father relates to God the Son. You might be thinking, “This is obvious, isn’t it? They are father and son.”

But, let me ask you a question which some of our friends of other faiths will ask, “How can God have a Son? He must have a wife to have a son. Isn’t it?” I’ve seen many Christians puzzled by this question. How do we answer this question? The problem with this question is we all try to put God in our own box i.e. try to fit in the infinite God into our finite little brains. That’s what they are doing when they ask these kind of questions.

So, we answer this question with the truth we learnt just now and that is, God communicates to us in our everyday terms to help us understand something that’s beyond our understanding. How does that truth apply here?

It applies as follows, the first person of the Trinity and the second person of the Trinity share an intimate relationship which is similar to a father-son relationship in this world and that’s why God revealed himself to us in our everyday terms referring to himself as God the Father and God the Son.
It can be argued the other way also, that God instituted the family and the father-son relationship to reflect the relationship between the first person and the second person of the Trinitarian God as we are made in his image to reflect him.
(God doesn’t have a wife to have a son, he doesn’t need to have a wife. He just is as he is and he revealed himself to us in our terms for our understanding!)

Another example, Paul says that Jesus is the bride-groom and church is his bride in Ephesians 5. And, in Romans 8:29, he also says that Jesus is the first born among many brothers and sisters i.e. the church.
If we think logically in our terms, it is impossible to think that we can be Jesus’ bride and siblings at the same time. The only way to make sense of all these terms if we hold that God’s word is inerrant is that, they are all metaphorical trying to depict the kind of relationship we share with Jesus using our everyday terms and ideas. This is how infinite God reveals himself to us who are finite beings! He comes to our level to communicate to us because he loves us and wants to relate with us.

And, the ultimate manifestation of this attribute of God is he becoming human, becoming one of us and living like us as Jesus Christ around 2000 years ago. He came into this world to reveal himself clearly, to communicate his message directly and to prepare a way for us to accept that message by dying on the cross and rising from the dead.

He didn’t have to do that, because we rejected him and became his enemies. He didn’t have to leave his throne in heaven, live a difficult life on this earth and die a gruesome death on the cross. Yet because he loved us, he became a human, he lived liked us and he died for our sins to save us from death and eternal damnation.

So, let us be thankful for what he has done for us on the cross and also for the way he being infinite God communicates to us in our everyday terms so that we can understand him and know him with our teeny, little and finite minds.

tctrills:
You say it is written that man has a separate soul, body and sprit?
Read the Bible again. Man is a living soul. The spirit and body make up man.
At death the body is buried and the spirit returns to God.
The body and the spirit make up a living soul

That apart, areally you saying that the father of Jesus Christ is his soul. Your point is that God is a soul and Jesus Christ his son is a body right? So basically the soul gave birth to the body.

tctrills:
So basically the soul gave birth to the body.

Put this in your mind God the son was not born what was born was the man Jesus

God the son Jesus has always been God from eternity to eternity


.. That is why you think that the soul gave birth to Jesus

No it did not because Jesus as God the son has always been God

Bishopkingsley:
As true Christians, we believe in a Triune God who exists as one being and three persons – God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Let’s take how God the Father relates to God the Son. You might be thinking, “This is obvious, isn’t it? They are father and son.”

But, let me ask you a question which some of our friends of other faiths will ask, “How can God have a Son? He must have a wife to have a son. Isn’t it?” I’ve seen many Christians puzzled by this question. How do we answer this question? The problem with this question is we all try to put God in our own box i.e. try to fit in the infinite God into our finite little brains. That’s what they are doing when they ask these kind of questions.

So, we answer this question with the truth we learnt just now and that is, God communicates to us in our everyday terms to help us understand something that’s beyond our understanding. How does that truth apply here?

It applies as follows, the first person of the Trinity and the second person of the Trinity share an intimate relationship which is similar to a father-son relationship in this world and that’s why God revealed himself to us in our everyday terms referring to himself as God the Father and God the Son.
It can be argued the other way also, that God instituted the family and the father-son relationship to reflect the relationship between the first person and the second person of the Trinitarian God as we are made in his image to reflect him.
(God doesn’t have a wife to have a son, he doesn’t need to have a wife. He just is as he is and he revealed himself to us in our terms for our understanding!)

Another example, Paul says that Jesus is the bride-groom and church is his bride in Ephesians 5. And, in Romans 8:29, he also says that Jesus is the first born among many brothers and sisters i.e. the church.
If we think logically in our terms, it is impossible to think that we can be Jesus’ bride and siblings at the same time. The only way to make sense of all these terms if we hold that God’s word is inerrant is that, they are all metaphorical trying to depict the kind of relationship we share with Jesus using our everyday terms and ideas. This is how infinite God reveals himself to us who are finite beings! He comes to our level to communicate to us because he loves us and wants to relate with us.

And, the ultimate manifestation of this attribute of God is he becoming human, becoming one of us and living like us as Jesus Christ around 2000 years ago. He came into this world to reveal himself clearly, to communicate his message directly and to prepare a way for us to accept that message by dying on the cross and rising from the dead.

He didn’t have to do that, because we rejected him and became his enemies. He didn’t have to leave his throne in heaven, live a difficult life on this earth and die a gruesome death on the cross. Yet because he loved us, he became a human, he lived liked us and he died for our sins to save us from death and eternal damnation.

So, let us be thankful for what he has done for us on the cross and also for the way he being infinite God communicates to us in our everyday terms so that we can understand him and know him with our teeny, little and finite minds.

You said Christ was not born but the bible says otherwise. It refers to Jesus the “firstborn” over Creation?
If he was not born how does he have a father?

tctrills:
You said Christ was not born but the bible says otherwise. It refers to Jesus the “firstborn” over Creation?
If he was not born how does he have a father?

What was born was the flesh man body of Jesus


But Jesus as God the son was never born he has always been God the son

That was why he said this

John 8:58 ►
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

New Living Translation
Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am !”



So like I told you Jesus is both man and God almighty

The man Jesus was born but the God the son Jesus was not born

I can't believe I read this thread to this point
So hilarious

haddeylium:
I can't believe I read this thread to this point
So hilarious

Nothing that I said that you can't see in the Bible unless you belong to jehova witnesses who twist their Bible because they worship Satan and they hate Jesus with passion

Bishopkingsley:
Nothing that I said that you can't see in the Bible unless you belong to jehova witnesses who twist their Bible because they worship Satan and they hate Jesus with passion

I respect your opinion

Bishopkingsley:
What was born was the flesh man body of Jesus


But Jesus as God the son was never born he has always been God the son

That was why he said this

John 8:58 ►
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

New Living Translation
Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am !”



So like I told you Jesus is both man and God almighty

The man Jesus was born but the God the son Jesus was not born

So basically you are saying that Jesus has no father

I
As I sleep this night I pray I do not wake up tomorrow

haddeylium:
I respect your opinion

Every thing in the Bible has happened in my life every single thing God said will happen to those who believe in Jesus as the scripture has said


I speak in tongues and have the spirit of God living in me

That is why I know what I preach

So I only say what God commands me to say and all the things I say is right in the Bible

It is a mystery but Jesus came to reveal it to human being because that is one of his purpose for coming to earth...

This particular mystery has been revealed to man but not every one can understand it that is why you see some twisting the holy Bible

Because they can't understand how Jesus can be God

tctrills:
So basically you are saying that Jesus has no father

Jesus as a man has a father
.

But Jesus as God the son was not born because he is God

God the Father calls Jesus God in the Bible do you see it

The title name of God the Father is the father

So every creature calls him the father

The title name of God the son is the son every creature call Jesus the son

So if people call Jesus the son does that mean that he is no longer God no

His title name is the son it does not mean that he was created or smaller no it just title name

I call God the Father my father but that does not mean that he is my physical father

Read the Bible to see Jesus call many people my little children and yet he was not up to 35, years

That is to show you the father is living in him