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Putindbutt:
funny you, if a chimamanda Adichie, who was born yesterday could write on the civil war with bias towards biafra and was widely celebrated, how much more an elderly historian with sources from both national and international archives.
The Portuguese account are more reliable than those of the British who arrived at a much later period.

Ekealterego:
Well. I appreciate the OP for opening up the opportunity for intellectual discourse.
The Europeans for all their faults really did a good job documenting things.
We documented ours through oral history and arts. We lived our arts and told our stories through arts and artefacts.

Here is another example of living our arts.
Compare picture 1 & 3
Compare picture 2 & 4

Igboid:
Good one.
If only they Learnt the process of making the barrels of gun earlier enough, maybe we could have made enough guns to halt the colonials from defeating us.

Idiko1:
Eleme has never and will not be Ogoni. Mbaoli, Mbanabu, Mbanator Mbano, Mbaise, Mbanasa and Mbaitoli are very relative to one ethnicity in Nigeria.

Biafrarep:
The Portuguese account? So far, only the English account is in circulation and they date as far back as the 1700's, with facts and they all emphasize Bonny and Opobo people as being Igbos.

Can we see the Portuguese account as well, especially where it says anything otherwise?

Biafrarep:
I doubt we would have been better off without experiencing colonialism. To me, it was a necessary evil.

Enduring civilization doesn't occur in isolation. The Europeans also learned a lot from the Chinese, Japanese and within countries in Europe as well. They perfected some of the inventions from far and near, and their central geographical location made it possible for them to have access to developments in both East and West of the world. These factors gave them a huge headstart into becoming a super power region.

Without them coming to Nigeria, we would have remained enmeshed in primitivity. Would we have developed the capacity to build universities, roads, modern brick houses etc without their expertise in the first place? They even helped to stop anarchy in many places such as North where Fulanis and Kanuris were committing widespread genocide as well as Yorubas who were killing themselves.

Also, countries they stayed the longest in Africa experienced more development and better planning than others, such as South Africa and Zimbabwe among others in South/East Africa.

I'm not saying they had our best interest at heart, on the contrary they actually came to exploit us but in so doing, they brought development!

cheruv:
Which book is this? I mean name

JANK23H:
The Portuguese account were written in Portuguese as expected,and so would not have had comparable circulation as that of the British.However,there have been recent translation and reviews of expedition into Africa by Duarte Pacheco Pereira and VALENTIM FERNANDES.

Attached is a screenshot of Captain Pereira's 15th century account,recognizing the presence of the Ijos or Jos as he called them then.Though some of his remarks were not complimentary,this could be attributed his strained relationship with the Ijos(Jos) as against the cordial trade partnership he had with the Benin kingdom.

This account should put to rest the notion that the Ijos were not original inhabitants of the NigerDelta.

Second shot:A Commentary on Duarte Pacheco Pereira's Account of the Lower Guinea Coastlands in his Esmeraldo De Situ Orbis, and on Some Other Early Accounts

First shot:Esmeraldo De Situ Orbis
by Pereira, Duarte Pacheco

Malawian:
Give us reference to this article let's see who wrote it and when.

Ekealterego:
These long stories are not my concern. I just sent it to you because I wanted to correct your first statement. I have so many other proofs. I just pointed just one example out of the many.

Before me are multiple examples showing Ijohs to be a different group of people but this is none of my interest.

Igboid:
I see.
So the original Izons are found in Delta state around Forcardos and Escravos which were basically in old Western region and no way near Eastern Nigeria, let alone having a say in Bonny and Opobo.

Thanks.

Igboid:
You might be right.
Ethiopians fought them off, but they are not a first world country today.
Maybe we could have succeeded in making sure they didn't put us together with a people like Yorubas and Hausa-Fulanis who we had and have nothing in common with, other than skin color.

JANK23H:
The Portuguese account were written in Portuguese as expected,and so would not have had comparable circulation as that of the British.However,there have been recent translation and reviews of expedition into Africa by Duarte Pacheco Pereira and VALENTIM FERNANDES.

Attached is a screenshot of Captain Pereira's 15th century account,recognizing the presence of the Ijos or Jos as he called them then.Though some of his remarks were not complimentary,this could be attributed his strained relationship with the Ijos(Jos) as against the cordial trade partnership he had with the Benin kingdom.

This account should put to rest the notion that the Ijos were not original inhabitants of the NigerDelta.

Second shot:A Commentary on Duarte Pacheco Pereira's Account of the Lower Guinea Coastlands in his Esmeraldo De Situ Orbis, and on Some Other Early Accounts

First shot:Esmeraldo De Situ Orbis
by Pereira, Duarte Pacheco

JANK23H:
The Portuguese account were written in Portuguese as expected,and so would not have had comparable circulation as that of the British.However,there have been recent translation and reviews of expedition into Africa by Duarte Pacheco Pereira and VALENTIM FERNANDES.

Attached is a screenshot of Captain Pereira's 15th century account,recognizing the presence of the Ijos or Jos as he called them then.Though some of his remarks were not complimentary,this could be attributed his strained relationship with the Ijos(Jos) as against the cordial trade partnership he had with the Benin kingdom.

This account should put to rest the notion that the Ijos were not original inhabitants of the NigerDelta.

Second shot:A Commentary on Duarte Pacheco Pereira's Account of the Lower Guinea Coastlands in his Esmeraldo De Situ Orbis, and on Some Other Early Accounts

First shot:Esmeraldo De Situ Orbis
by Pereira, Duarte Pacheco

Biafrarep:
I had to strain my eyes to read the screenshot but it actually doesn't prove anything about Ijaws. Firstly, Pacheco used the term "Jos" and he claimed the people dwelt beyond the Itshekiri and Uhrobo. Those who live in that area are the Isoko, Aboh and other Igbo groups in Anioma.

Igboid:
You might be right.
Ethiopians fought them off, but they are not a first world country today.
Maybe we could have succeeded in making sure they didn't put us together with a people like Yorubas and Hausa-Fulanis who we had and have nothing in common with, other than skin color.

JANK23H:
Just as the British called them Jo-men.

Ekealterego:
I hope you know that this is not the original portugues book or translation but rather a thesis or book written with deductions from the original.

In other words, this book was making reference to the portugues text and not actually a direct translation.

JANK23H:
The screenshots are the original translation and Dr. Fage's commentary on Captain Pereira's account.Dr. Fage's commentary was corroborated by the investigation of the Copenhagen Polis Center.

Sorry the screenshots weren't clear,I would have uploaded the PDF here if I could.

Ekealterego:
Bro, this book was published in the year 2000.

Ekealterego:
That was what Horton proposed and when he wrote the British crowns.
He recommended the structure of the army, government and all adapted to their current state and what would suit the people best to make them progress via self-governance.

Ironically, about 80 years later, his works inspired the African leaders like Zik and the rest who pursued independence. His works formed the basis of their agitation for independence and "self-governance.

Unfortunately, unlike Horton, these other leaders were just interested in taking over vast number of people in a Babel like Nigeria, rather than independent self-governance of the various ethnic groups.

9Pluto:
Apologies for my typos. As a student of history, I am open to fact based criticisms and not hearsay. From my calculations, this is about Two hundred and twenty-one years old(221 years) history!!! I look forward to getting contradictions from the same period or beyond.

Considering that most people cannot trace their origin beyond their great grandfather or great great grandfather at most, then you would appreciate how reliable this piece of history is.

Considering how familiar sailors are with maps, here is a map of the delta according to the publishers.

OfoIgbo:
You are fighting a loosing battle. No evidence you've shown has stated that Ijaws own Bonny. But all the ancient records we've shown, all testify to the fact that IGBOS own Bonny

For a few days now, you haven't been able to show even one record, specifically backing the Ijaws

CovenHighPriest:
Here one can easily see the inspiration behind the Adamma masquerade.

Biafrarep:
Okay, they may have mispronounced the name but the Pacheco dude emphasized that the "Jos" were aborigines of the areas beyond Itshekiri and Uhrobo. Are you saying that's where the Ijaws migrated from?

JANK23H:
No,he did talk about the "Jos" as the inhabitants around the rivers of Cabo Fermosa in Brass to Rio de Sam Bento,Sant’ Ilefonso,Rio de Santa Barbara and Rio Pequeno.These rivers given Portuguese names extends most parts of the NigerDelta.

GreatBoss:
Nairaland is not Bonny and Opobo go there and meet the people.
You guys online frustrations from now till forever changed nothing.

Biafrarep:
You don't seem to understand the power of social media in an information age. Pen is always mightier than the sword. Anybody that goes through this thread with an open mind will accept the fact that Bonny and Opobo are historically Igbos.

Nairaland still remains Nigeria's most popular forum and indigenes of Bonny and Opobo will definitely come across these Revelations, and they will truly know who they are!

Now that ijaw landgrabbers are desperately trying to coerce them into learning a foreign language which is not their heritage, such awareness will help to awaken their consciousness into resisting the ijaws.

Information is power, and what we are doing here should never be taken for granted!