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Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Racoon(m): 12:02pm On Dec 04, 2021
A quotation in which Bola Ahmed Tinubu called Muhammadu Buhari a “bigot” and an “agent of destabilization” has resurfaced on social media and is being shared by people who are opposed to Tinubu’s presidential aspirations. 

But Tinubu supporters are countering the quotation with a February 7, 2020 rebuttal by Tinubu’s media aide by the name of Tunde Rahman who said “the quote is fictitious” and “the handiwork of merchants of hate and fake news.” He also challenged people to provide evidence for where Tinubu ever said those words.

In my February 8, 2020 column titled “Unkind Things US Diplomatic Cables Reported Tinubu to Have Said About Buhari,” I took up Tunde Rahman’s challenge and showed that Tinubu indeed said what he was quoted to have said—and worse.

 In response to requests from people who missed the column when it was first published, I am sharing a slightly modified version of it again. I should add that it was Reuben Abati, Goodluck Jonathan’s media adviser, who, in a December 29, 2014 tweet, first brought attention to what Tinubu said about Buhari.

“‘Buhari and his ilk are agents of destabilization.’ - Bola Tinubu. Has this CHANGEd? Source: Public Library of US Diplomacy, Wikileaks Cable 2003 February 21, 15:09 #Friday Interesting....,” he wrote.

But the quotation that has been making the social media round goes thus: “Muhammadu Buhari is an agent of destabilization, [ an] ethnic bigot, and [a] religious fanatic who if given the chance would ensure the disintegration of the country. His ethnocentrism would jeopardize Nigeria’s national unity.” I have seen slightly different lexical variations of this quote, but the essential sentiment is unchanged.

Even before Abati publicized it, I’ve been familiar with it since 2011 because I combed WikiLeaks at the time for material on Nigeria. Since Rahman was bold enough to “challenge those behind it to mention where Tinubu made the remark,” let me offer some help.

Tinubu didn’t say those words at a news conference, as some people have inaccurately claimed. He was quoted to have said them in a confidential diplomatic cable that the United States Consul General to Nigeria sent to his bosses back home on Friday February 21, 2003.

 We got to know this because, in September 2011, WikiLeaks—the insurgent, whistle-blowing, official-secret-spewing site—dumped a trove of 251,000 such confidential, unredacted cables that US embassy officials sent to the US State Department in Washington D.C. from all over the world.

In the February 21, 2003 confidential cable, which can be found here, the US Consul General to Nigeria reported Tinubu to have said Buhari was an ethnocentric agent of destabilization who would strain Nigeria’s unity if he became president.

He also said the Southwest would support Obasanjo against Buhari—which it did—because Tinubu and his group didn’t want the spread of Sharia, which Buhari supported and which Obasanjo countered, and because even though Obasanjo was unlikeable, he was Yoruba and Buhari wasn’t. Looks to me like Tinubu was guilty of the same crime of “ethnocentrism” he accused Buhari of.

The cable reads: “Turning to the presidential contest, Tinubu disclosed that he does not like President Obasanjo because he contributed to the end of democracy in Nigeria during his tenure as a military president and is now benefiting from that history. 

“That said, Tinubu admitted that he and his party, the Alliance for Democracy, must support Obasanjo. Southwest Nigeria is Yoruba land and the President is Yoruba. Tinubu"s [sic] party had no choice since it has not fielded a presidential candidate. Moreover, Obasanjo is the only candidate who stands a chance of blocking his rival, General Muhammadu Buhari, whose ethnocentrism would jeopardize Nigeria"s [sic] national unity. Buhari and his ilk are agents of destabilization who would be far worse than Obasanjo.

“Tinubu and many other governors are therefore implementing a strategy to re-elect Obasanjo, partly in an effort to prevent Sharia from spreading. Tinubu predicted that the President will follow his own course, if re-elected, since he will not need as many friends the second time around.”

Incidentally, Tinubu had really kind words to say about Atiku Abubakar throughout his interactions with the Consul General. “Tinubu praised Vice President Atiku Abubakar, whom he has known for many years,” the Consul General wrote. “Elaborating on his knowledge of the VP, Tinubu said he has known and understood the VP even before his entry into politics. Atiku is a detribalized politician who knows where he is going and how to build bridges to get there.”

The Consul General also wrote that, “Tinubu credits his going into politics to Atiku's personal encouragement.” You won’t guess that going by the way they and their agents tore at each other—or at least pretended to— in the last presidential election.

Anyway, my search of WikiLeaks’ archive with the keyword “Bola Tinubu” turned up several other unflattering characterizations Tinubu made of Buhari to Americans.

For instance, in a September 14, 2005 “secret” cable, US Consul General Brian L. Browne wrote that Tinubu wanted to be vice president to either Atiku Abubakar or Muhammadu Buhari but was self-conscious of the perception that either option would present the country with a Muslim-Muslim ticket and reiterated the sentiment that Buhari’s perception as a “religious zealot” made teaming up with him unviable.

 “While Tinubu did not see this [i.e., being vice presidential candidate] as a big problem with Atiku (due to Atiku's noted religious laxity and his pro-Western outlook), it would be a heavy cross to bear for a Buhari-Tinubu ticket because of the perception in many southern Nigerian minds that Buhari is a religious zealot,” Browne wrote. “Because of this factor, Tinubu asserted he had begun to shift his focus, which had been exclusively on the vice presidency, to see the Senate as a nice place to land upon exiting the governor's mansion.”

Again, in a confidential cable sent on Thursday April 12, 2007, the Consul General reported Tinubu to have described Buhari as a “fascist” during an April 9, 2007 meeting.

 “Tinubu stressed he had no qualms about PDP presidential candidate Umaru Yar'Adua winning the election,” the Consul General wrote. “Yet, Tinubu was adamantly opposed to ANPP presidential candidate Muhammadu Buhari. In a recent news story, Buhari called the PDP government 'fascist'. Tinubu sarcastically mentioned that he would take Buhari's ephitet [sic] as being accurate, for who better to identify a fascist than another one.”

As I wrote in my September 24, 2011 column titled “What the WikiLeaks Controversy Says about Nigeria’s Leaky-mouthed Elite” in the aftermath of WikiLeaks exposes of the diplomatic cables, the willingness of our elites to divulge unsolicited information about the nation to U.S. officials “betrays an infantile thirst for a paternal dictatorship.

“The United States is seen as that all-knowing, all-sufficient father-figure to whom our elites run when they have troubles. We have learned from the US embassy cables that our Supreme Court judges, Central Bank governors, even vice presidents and governors routinely run to the American embassy like terrified little kids when they have quarrels with each other.”

“What I’ve found particularly instructive,” I added, “is that our perpetually lying politicians suddenly become truthful, honest, and straight-talking people when they talk to Americans. You would think they were standing before their Creator—or at least before a stern, omniscient, no-nonsense dad who severely punishes his kids for the minutest lie they tell.”

After the revelations became public knowledge in 2011— and the embarrassment that attended this— Nigerian politicians dismissed them as "WikiLeaks’ beer parlor gossip." Of course, that’s intentionally misleading flapdoodle.

As I pointed out at the time, WikiLeaks was not the author of the embarrassing information about them;  the uncomfortable bits of information about them, which isn’t exclusive to Nigerian politicians, were contained in U.S. diplomats' dispatches, which were intended ONLY for the consumption of the US president, the US Secretary of State, and other high-profile government officials but which WikiLeaks exposed to the rest of the world at the cost of tremendous discomfort and embarrassment to the US government and embassy officials.

I don’t know what exactly Tinubu’s media adviser is denying. The truth is that Buhari’s people are already acutely aware of Tinubu’s honest opinions of Buhari and find his latter-day pandering to them, in a bid to earn their support for his 2023 presidential ambition, both theatrical and entertaining.

For the rest of us, though, his media aide’s forceful denial of that which is already archived in the public domain proves English journalist Francis Claud Cockburn’s famous quip that you should “Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.”


https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2021/12/did-tinubu-call-buhari-agent-of.html?m=1

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Racoon(m): 12:07pm On Dec 04, 2021
Malam Nasir El’Rufai..wrote in a public letter in October of 2010, telling Nigerians that Buhari remains “perpetually unelectable” and that Buhari’s ”insensitivity to Nigeria’s diversity and his parochial focus are already well-known.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sahelblog./2012/05/29/nigeria-a-statement-by-general-buhari-on-boko-haram-and-its-aftermath/amp/

Backstabbing is the trademark of the dirty Nigerian politics.

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Racoon(m): 12:10pm On Dec 04, 2021
Muhammadu Buhari is an agent of destabilisation, ethnic bigot and religious fanatic who, if given the chance, would ensure the disintegration of the country. His ethnocentrism would jeopardise Nigeria’s national unity.
https://punchng.com/tinubu-was-right-for-calling-buhari-a-tribalist-religious-fanatic-says-obasanjo/

They see evil and support it because of political expediency. Imagine the so called sophisticated people defending all the evil atrocities of this evil regime without a conscience.Shameless chronic irredeemable pathological liars who are in constant denial of their own shadow.

See as the regular chronic sai baba zombies and baba soope asslickers are avoiding the thread like shit. Perhaps guilty conscience.Meanwhile, why will one not be afraid of supporting evil because of political survival?

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by jetwonder(m): 12:20pm On Dec 04, 2021
grin Tifibu: one man I know for sure he will never become Nigeria's President.

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Asgard73: 12:21pm On Dec 04, 2021
Nigerians know how every region behave .. strength and weakness

Who trust Yoruba in Nigeria today?

Someone said Tinubu should pick and sponsor igbo .. which igbo will that be.. udenwa and Ngige were once close to him .. how’s that relationship today.

Tinubu started campaigning against Buhari 3 years to election.. who does that..
Yoruba will abuse Buhari Presidency and still tag it on igbos .. and when I told them that north understands their plays .. they will tag me hater

They feel they’ve become so powerful in Nigeria .. forgetting where they came from .

I just want a Yoruba man to get any party presidential ticket come 2023.

E get why

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Asgard73: 12:27pm On Dec 04, 2021
Normal Yoruba two faced idibia diplomatic sophistication..

Trust none.. don’t make the mistake .

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by onez: 12:28pm On Dec 04, 2021
Thank you Farooq. Anybody or or group of people that enabled this devilish party in 2019 should not be made to benefit from it. You can argue you made mistake in 2015 but to repeat same in 2019 is too costly to be wished away.

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by sweetonugbu: 12:29pm On Dec 04, 2021
"You should never believe anything until it has been officially denied" WORD ON THE MABLE.

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Racoon(m): 12:57pm On Dec 04, 2021
onez:
Thank you Farooq. Anybody or or group of people that enabled this devilish party in 2019 should not be made to benefit from it. You can argue you made mistake in 2015 but to repeat same in 2019 is too costly to be wished away.
"..In fact, if there are Nigerians that can be exonerated they are the people of the South-East and South-South; but the North and the South-West are responsible for our problems today under this regime.I said it right from the beginning that Buhari is not competent and therefore cannot lead.

Now, we are crying.It was our shortsightedness.People did not behave the way they are supposed to behaved when Buhari was looking for power..."
https://www.sunnewsonline.com/yakasai-to-nigerians-blame-southwest-north-for-your-sufferings/

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Racoon(m): 1:00pm On Dec 04, 2021
Asgard73:
Nigerians know how every region behave strength & weakness. Yoruba will abuse Buhari Presidency & still tag it on igbos.When I told them that north understands their power play.They will tag me hater.....
"....I don’t know what exactly Tinubu’s media adviser is denying. The truth is that Buhari’s people are already acutely aware of Tinubu’s honest opinions of Buhari and find his latter-day pandering to them, in a bid to earn their support for his 2023 presidential ambition, both theatrical & entertaining.

“During a TV appearance on Television Continental on February 20, 2018, Tinubu’s wife, Remi, said Tinubu was “trashed” by Buhari’s northern political machine after the 2015 election. 

People who “trashed” you after an electoral triumph to which you’re central will certainly go the whole hog and incinerate or bury you in the aftermath of another victory that will ensure that they will no longer need you.

So Tinubu had lots of warning that the fate that has befallen him now was a foregone conclusion. He ignored it and chose instead to legitimize the worst civilian regime in Nigeria’s history. He deserves his fate.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribuneonlineng.com/i-warned-bola-tinubu-that-this-day-would-come/amp/

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by headSmasher: 1:01pm On Dec 04, 2021
Ok

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by headSmasher: 1:06pm On Dec 04, 2021
Asgard73:
Nigerians know how every region behave .. strength and weakness

Who trust Yoruba in Nigeria today?

Someone said Tinubu should pick and sponsor igbo .. which igbo will that be.. udenwa and Ngige were once close to him .. how’s that relationship today.

Tinubu started campaigning against Buhari 3 years to election.. who does that..
Yoruba will abuse Buhari Presidency and still tag it on igbos .. and when I told them that north understands their plays .. they will tag me hater

They feel they’ve become so powerful in Nigeria .. forgetting where they came from .

I just want a Yoruba man to get any party presidential ticket come 2023.

E get why
The same Pandora Peter Obi that claim he will die and rotten in APGA run away from there to eat apku and uha soup at PDP after massacring 100s of people through James Nwafor

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by headSmasher: 1:08pm On Dec 04, 2021
Asgard73:
Normal Yoruba two faced idibia diplomatic sophistication..

Trust none.. don’t make the mistake .

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Nobody: 1:09pm On Dec 04, 2021
Tinubu will never become President in Nigeria and I’ll tell you why.

PART 1: October 2018

Louis XIV was King of France for 72 years and 110 days  and became the most powerful French monarch who consolidated a system of absolute monarchical rule that endured until the French Revolution. At the peak of his maniac, he said: “L’Etat c’est  moi” (I am the state).

I am not aware Asiwaju Bola Tinubu is given to so much reading to have come across Louis’ declaration but I once heard him making the same declaration as he got up from his seat and said “Eko fe lo sun”(Lagos wants to sleep). The embodiment of the current pathetic Lagos by the man who rode to power in 1999 largely on account of his association with NADECO abroad is an interesting study for some of us who are eyewitnesses to recent history.

Talking of the love Papa Adesanya had for Tinubu, I would just give one instance. Months into Tinubu’s  tenure, a scandal broke out around him that he did not attend any of the schools he listed in his resume: from St John’s Primary School, Aroloya in Lagos through Government College, Ibadan and University of Chicago.

The scandal broke out shortly after then Speaker of House of Representatives, Salisu Buhari had perjured by submitting a fake certificate from University of Toronto in Canada and was forced to step down. The media was celebrating the scandal and just a sentence from Afenifere against Tinubu then would have done him in.

I recall vividly being in the office of Senator Adesanya with the late Rev. Tunji Adebiyi when an old man with all grey hair and beards dressed in immaculate white dress with white shoes walked into his office and we had to excuse them.

When he left, we went back to meet the Leader and he was in a pensive mood. He told us what the old man told him:

”Abraham, you have to disown this boy (Tinubu) now”

And that he said to the oldie that: “a person who builds a wall does not pull it down.”

He said the man got up to leave and said:

”You will regret not doing so”.

The scene played in my mind in the last inactive days of Senator Adesanya as the last major outing he had before he went down was over Tinubu ~ Yinka Odumakin.

Nigerians, listen to me, I am a confirmed full-blooded Yoruba man from Ijebu-Ode. Some bastards said it is better to have Tinubu as President than for the Southwest to lose the Presidency. I said Sango & Ogun will obliterate all of them including their bastard children.

What have I ever benefited from Tinubu’s government?

Obasanjo became President for eight years, what did I benefit from him as a Yoruba man?

In 2015, Tinubu exhumed the decaying copse of Buhari, packaged him as the Messiah and sold him to us at 50-50kobo. And we bought it without questioning the logic behind it.

When Buhari and Osinbajo were drinking their 40Naira-sachet Milo at Eko Hotel, we never knew that it was our collective destinies that were being devoured by satanic powers & principalities.

These same bastards whose hundreds of billions of Naira palliatives disbursement during their COVID-19 cash-out scam never got to me are now compelling me to go take their booster-shot vaccines. It is non other than Sango that will obliterate & annihilate all your family members one after the other.

Now, they’re plotting to remove the (non existent) subsidies on Petroleum Products by June next year.

Look, let me paint you a picture of what will happen in case you don’t know.

The 200Naira transport fare that takes you from Ojodu-Berger to Ikeja will become 500Naira.

The bag of Pure Water that sells averagely at 180Naira will become 400Naira.

The carton of Indomie Noodles (Hungry Man) that sells for 4,500Naira will become 9,000Naira.

You have not even seen the preview of what is coming yet.

You’re still complaining of armed robbery, banditry, kidnapping, cultism. All these are child’s play in comparison to what will engulf & kill all of you should these brainless bastards in government tamper with the subsidy.

Six fvcking years, you couldn’t build any refinery. They still have the audacity to allocate $1.5Billion for the turnaround maintenance of a moribund refinery in Portharcourt.

Look, the only thing can solve Nigeria’s problem is if three planet-sized asteroids collide with the planet Earth simultaneously so that everybody can go to blazes.

These bastards say they will pay 5,000Naira to 40Million poor Nigerians to cushion the effects.

What will 5,000Naira do compared to this calamity that is coming?

How did they even arrive at that figure that 40Million Nigerians are poor? Well, that figure could be correct during the Ebele Jonathan’s administration, but I tell you now without mincing words, no less than 160Millions Nigerians have been plunged into the valley of poverty - courtesy of Buhari’s trial & error economic policies.

If you’re one of the dunderheads still clamoring for Tinubu or APC, remember that none of their useless campaign promises of 2015 have been delivered.

Also remember that It is Tinubu, Buhari & Sanwo-Olu that sanctioned the bloody massacre at the Lekki Toll Gate.

Lastly, if you’re one of the assholes clamoring for Yemi Osinbajo to become the next President, then you need to hit your coconut head against the wall if you think that satanic, hypocritical, short man-devil will do any better than his master - Buhari.

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Asgard73: 1:10pm On Dec 04, 2021
headSmasher:
The same Pandora Peter Obi that claim he will die and rotten in APGA run away from there to eat apku and uha soup at PDP after massacring 100s of people through James Nwafor
K
Is that all?

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by LibertyRep: 1:29pm On Dec 04, 2021
Does it really matter again what Tinubu said or did not say about General Buhari Rtd. ?

Isn't everything playing out in our very eyes now?

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by OnyeObodo: 1:42pm On Dec 04, 2021
So Tinubu knew that Buhari was and still remains a classical imbeccile but only supported him because he wants to be President come 2023?

And he thinks these Fulani Janjaweedeans are not smart?

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by OnyeObodo: 1:43pm On Dec 04, 2021
Seun Lalasticlala, don't you think this needs a wider readership

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Racoon(m): 6:00pm On Dec 04, 2021
OnyeObodo:
So Tinubu knew that Buhari was and still remains a classical imbeccile but only supported him because he wants to be President come 2023? And he thinks these Fulani Janjaweedeans are not smart?
"Tinubu that used Lagos state funds to sponsor Buhari's presidential ambition.Now that Buhari has destroyed Nigeria and use the citizens as collateral to collect loan and plunge the nation into a debt crisis, inflation,and incompetency,he is now preparing to handover Nigeria to tinubu to further plunge Nigeria into another liquidation.

This politicians are passing Nigeria around to them selves to loot and collect world bank loan and loot the treasury. Somebody should tell me what leadership quality does Tinubu have? A 2 term former governor that created debt for the state before he left alausa government house.

Even his political godchildren have corruption cases hanging on their necks.Meanwhile, the jagaban is using his Abuja connection to block their arrest and prosecution.I know he has a lot of asslickers who are ready to die for his one derica of rice."(Credits OP).

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Nobody: 6:03pm On Dec 04, 2021
You go talk Tire if na Buhari and Jagaban matter you carry put for head grin grin grin

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by PrinceOfLagos: 6:05pm On Dec 04, 2021
Tinubu wanted to pull a Yar'Adua on us but Buhari disappointed him

Tinubu will never be president

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by ivandragon: 6:58pm On Dec 04, 2021
We need a new breed of politicians who understand what it means to be accountable to the people, have a vision for development & are humble enough to admit & make amends when they do wrong

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by LucyijiHK: 7:47pm On Dec 04, 2021
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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Kate06(m): 7:47pm On Dec 04, 2021
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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by asobo1: 7:48pm On Dec 04, 2021
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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by officialfysh(m): 7:48pm On Dec 04, 2021
You guys should please rest and stop bringing tinubu always in d news.... Aren’t this guys tired of power?

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Afokesco(m): 7:48pm On Dec 04, 2021
Tinubu and buhari dey eat for the same table...if una like make una carry their mata for head....the present economy ain't friendly...the same circle of people in govt office will be the people to rule the nation in years to come .all we need is new era of people.. let's make a change so that after the 2023 election we all will be smiling

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Houseofglam7(f): 7:48pm On Dec 04, 2021
Hello implosion grin

House of cards
Crumbling like a pack of cards

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Re: Did Tinubu Call Buhari “Agent Of Destabilization”? Yes! - Farooq Kperogi by Lumig: 7:49pm On Dec 04, 2021
cheesy
Try harder Mr Kperogi, there won't be any disagreement between the two. Thank you

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