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yorubademon24:
Ekealterego plz send me jean Barbot's work tnx.

I can help out here:
........I think Barbot's work might be hard to understand the name of the people he was referring too.
.............It was printed in old texts. S for instance is exchanged with something like F
................... because the printing was different (a for i) for instance
............................Know the current names now: To help you
....................................... Hackbaus - (Igbos)
........................................Cricke/Young Cricke (Okrika)
........................................ Bandy/Bany (Bonny)
......................................... Dony - Andoni and so on.
.......................................... ahhh no Ijaws were mentioned or conceived.

In the link, check from pg 455 - Voyage to New Calabar.
CC: Ekealterego, Igboid

https://books.google.de/books?id=Wta7pVslBEwC&pg=PA423&lpg=PA423&dq=VOYAGE+INTO+nEW+cALABAR&source=bl&ots=QIA1Z-trM2&sig=ACfU3U3t6oH4PyhdRFiDY0utq0NgHDz9lQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiki-u__eDyAhVsgP0HHUQLA64Q6AF6BAgOEAM#v=onepage&q=Hackbous&f=false

Vintagepipes:
I can help out here:
........I think Barbot's work might be hard to understand the name of the people he was referring too.
.............It was printed in old texts. S for instance is exchanged with something like F
................... because the printing was different (a for i) for instance
............................Know the current names now: To help you
....................................... Hackbaus - (Igbos)
........................................Cricke/Young Cricke (Okrika)
........................................ Bandy/Bany (Bonny)
......................................... Dony - Andoni and so on.
.......................................... ahhh no Ijaws were mentioned or conceived.

In the link, check from pg 455 - Voyage to New Calabar.
CC: Ekealterego, Igboid

https://books.google.de/books?id=Wta7pVslBEwC&pg=PA423&lpg=PA423&dq=VOYAGE+INTO+nEW+cALABAR&source=bl&ots=QIA1Z-trM2&sig=ACfU3U3t6oH4PyhdRFiDY0utq0NgHDz9lQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiki-u__eDyAhVsgP0HHUQLA64Q6AF6BAgOEAM#v=onepage&q=Hackbous&f=false

Because Ijaw was not existing in Nigeria then.

This Ijaw boy, putingdbutt has alot of nerves to quote such ancient source that confirms that they were not existing in Nigeria then.

BKayy:
Because Ijaw was not existing in Nigeria then.

This Ijaw boy, putingdbutt has alot of nerves to quote such ancient source that confirms that they were not existing in Nigeria then.

Enough talk.
This is not Bonny and Opobo.
Go there go tell them, if them born u well.

9Pluto:
Does that include Abua and Ekpeye part?

The four main languages spoken are Izon, Nembe, Ogbia and Epie-Atissa.

Is Abua n Ekpeye part of Bayelsa State??

It's too early abegi

SlayerForever:
Hahahaha. My man Robbstark. Didn't you see that Bonny main market video I posted. Everybody was speaking in the forbidden Igbo language

South East ready to kneel and beg for presidency.

Hope you have seen that one.
That is where you shud be, not attacking a tribe you claim are minority.

You people said you are majority but you want to kneel n beg for something that shud rightly come to you.
Your majority talk na waste.
We don't have to do that, we have our ways if getting the people at the top know or hear.

majority my black asss

Alabo7978:
you're looking for old snippet but I showed you crowther's report and pepple and Dr koeller. which are way older than 1906, you rejected, Putind.butt brought this one, now you're looking for older one.
why are you a chameleon?

the igbos never owned affinity with water,
you all said it, that the reason why they hated the water was the disease that comes with it, mosquitoes etc.
y'all said it.
the IBOS are farmers who cultivate Yams etc now you all want to claim river folks all of a sudden?
since when.[b

Ayiba!

I wonder where ibos put their thinking cap. Do we need oyinbo to come tell us the natural occupation of ibos?.


From the screenshot below, John Adams, referred to ibos as people from the interior (ibo interior) who came to settle in Bonny. In addition, he said, they were obliged by the force of circumstances to adapt to the water and trade instead of hunting and farming. Which means the only way ibos could have survived in Bonny was to force themselves to adapt to the water and trade instead of farming and hunting they were naturally inclined to from the interior they came from.

cc JANK23H

RobbStark:
South East ready to kneel and beg for presidency.

Hope you have seen that one.
That is where you shud be, not attacking a tribe you claim are minority.

You people said you are majority but you want to kneel n beg for something that shud rightly come to you.
Your majority talk na waste.
We don't have to do that, we have our ways if getting the people at the top know or hear.

majority my black asss

Yeah, trust Igbos, they learn very quickly. The last time a minority tested power, it was on the back of Igbos.. In far away lands, they were threatened that they will be drowned in the Lagoon, still, they stood by the minority.

..but you know what, they learn too quickly.

Putindbutt:
I wonder where ibos put their thinking cap. Do we need oyinbo to come tell us the natural occupation of ibos?.


From the screenshot below, John Adams, referred to ibos as people from the interior (ibo interior) who came to settle in Bonny. In addition, he said, they were obliged by the force of circumstances to adapt to the water and trade instead of hunting and farming. Which means the only way ibos could have survived in Bonny was to force themselves to adapt to the water and trade instead of farming and hunting they were naturally inclined to from the interior they came from.

cc JANK23H

Guys our dear friend Putindbutt here just scored an own goal confirming what we already know from John Adams. You guys should take a look at his screenshot. It is obvious some of these guys have comprehension problems.

John Adams here explicitly spelt out who the Ibanis were without mincing words.

Please @Putindbutt, kindly tell us the name of this book and when it was published.

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Slayerforever
Bkayy
Ekealterego
Igboid
Ofoigbo
Eastlink
Vintagepipes

Ekealterego:
Yeah, trust Igbos, they learn very quickly. The last time a minority tested power, it was on the back of Igbos.. In far away lands, they were threatened that they will be drowned in the Lagoon, still, they stood by the minority.

..but you know what, they learn too quickly.

For that anytime you all are ready to get it, you are welcomed in Ijaw land.
We are 100% loyal with our votes.
You are our neighbors n will reciprocate

Malawian:
There was this British woman that was busy rewriting the history of tribes in the Niger-Delta during and after the civil war. I read about it in a newspaper something in 2001-2002.

Lol, her name is Kay Williamson, born Ruth Margaret Williamson. She became famous after the civil war all thanks to those who brought the history intern to do an historical distortion job for them. Her Ijaw employers used her to do a yo-man job in the Niger-Delta.

Distinct Ibibiod tribes and languages like Ogbia and Andoni were termed Ijaw by her. While similar Igboid languages like Ikwerre and Ekpeye were termed different ethnicities. Alagoa was her famous patron.

Igboid:
are you okay? You didn't do comprehension in your primary and secondary School English class?

"The King of New Calabar, in the neighborhood, and king Pepple of Bonny, were both of Eboe descent,of which also are the mass of the NATIVES;"


The slaves are not natives and were spoken of in the next sentence.

"....and the number of slaves from the Eboe country,which throughout the British trade was taken from Bonny, amounted perhaps to 3/4 of the exports"

I asked you to think, be more logical,
Interrogate, don't be a robot.

How on earth can the king of Kalabari kingdom be ibo?. There's Kalabari settlements and Kalabari beach in Imo state?. Yet doesn't link Kalabari and ibos with any shared ancestry.

Finally, you agreed that ibos supplied the highest number of slaves from Bonny port.

Igboid:
So which of the works called Bonny Indigenes Ijaw, Izon or Jos people?
Upload the snippets, it can't be that hard.

Ibani are a subgroup of ijaws. It was the whites who changed ibani to Bonny. The Europeans altered ibani to Bonny.
Barbot's " bany" was the closet alteration of ibani.

9Pluto:
Guys our dear friend Putindbut here just scored an own goal confirming what we already know from John Adams. You guys should take a look at his screenshot. It is obvious some of these guys have comprehension problems.

John Adams here explicitly spelt out who the Ibanis were without mincing words.

Please @Putindbut, kindly tell us the name of this book and when it was published.

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Slayerforever
Bkayy
Ekealterego
Igboid
Ofoigbo
Eastlink
Vintagepipes

I knew you would fall into your own trap. I can't help you if comprehension is hard on you. John Adams was talking about the process of adaptation of ibos to their new environment.

I just found out Professor Alagoa is still around. He was part of activities for the Unipoort 1981 set reunion with President Goodluck Jonathan a few weeks ago.

I hope someone shows him this so he can come and explain himself.

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JANK23H
Putindbutt

Igbo land have always been landlock. If not for slave trade, Igbos would have no business with the sea or ocean.

Make una stop boring us with all this unnecessary argument on this forum.

Make una stop all this una mumu and unnecessary argument.

There is no igbo land within any coastal area in Nigeria.

Putindbutt:
I wonder where ibos put their thinking cap. Do we need oyinbo to come tell us the natural occupation of ibos?.


From the screenshot below, John Adams, referred to ibos as people from the interior (ibo interior) who came to settle in Bonny. In addition, he said, they were obliged by the force of circumstances to adapt to the water and trade instead of hunting and farming. Which means the only way ibos could have survived in Bonny was to force themselves to adapt to the water and trade instead of farming and hunting they were naturally inclined to from the interior they came from.

cc JANK23H

.............You have reconfirmed the whole thing the Igbos here have been saying.
.................This book is not Captain John Adams, rather, that is Major Arthur Glyn Leonard.
......................Someone already uploaded this in the thread somewhere earlier.

Putindbutt:
I wonder where ibos put their thinking cap. Do we need oyinbo to come tell us the natural occupation of ibos?.


From the screenshot below, John Adams, referred to ibos as people from the interior (ibo interior) who came to settle in Bonny. In addition, he said, they were obliged by the force of circumstances to adapt to the water and trade instead of hunting and farming. Which means the only way ibos could have survived in Bonny was to force themselves to adapt to the water and trade instead of farming and hunting they were naturally inclined to from the interior they came from.

cc JANK23H

"The Ibani who came from Ibo interior and settled in Bonny over 300 years ago".

This man has scored an own goal. Even JANK23H must be dying in shame wherever he is .
JANK23H, it's like your Yoruba friend is out here to bury you in the guise of helping you, because of this remark you made years ago against Yorubas?

Yorubas can be very strategic and they never forget.

Ndo, my Asawana neighbor. Next time don't invite Yorubas to your war. They don't fight for no one but themselves.

DubaiLandLord1:
Igbo land have always been landlock. If not for slave trade, Igbos would have no business with the sea or ocean.

Make una stop boring us with all this unnecessary argument on this forum.

Make una stop all this una mumu and unnecessary argument.

There is no igbo land within any coastal area in Nigeria.

The map although incomplete because of ignorance of the interior tribes by the Portuguese, shows what we always knew. The Igbo is an ancient group that predates everyother group in Southern Nigeria.
Notice there was no Yoruba but Oyo in the map.

Map also reinforces our argument that Ijaw are aliens in southern NIGERIA as you can't see Ijaw in the map.
The place below Igboland was unlabeled but they were not called Ijaw!
We are on this thread to unravel the identity of that area, and so far so good, we have shown they are Igbos!

Igboid:
The map although incomplete because of ignorance of the interior tribes by the Portuguese, shows what we always knew. The Igbo is an ancient group that predates everyother group in Southern Nigeria.
Notice there was no Yoruba but Oyo in the map.

Map also reinforces our argument that Ijaw are aliens in southern NIGERIA as you can't see Ijaw in the map.
The place below Igboland was unlabeled but they were not called Ijaw!
We are on this thread to unravel the identity of that area, and so far so good, we have shown they are Igbos!

K

When Igbos are ready for biafla, referendum will only be conducted in the old East Central State.

Nah where igbo land start and end be that.

There is no evidence on ground that shows any igbo kingdom went to war and defeated any coastal area before the arrival and after the arrival of the Europeans.

Ekealterego:
Yeah, trust Igbos, they learn very quickly. The last time a minority tested power, it was on the back of Igbos.. In far away lands, they were threatened that they will be drowned in the Lagoon, still, they stood by the minority.

..but you know what, they learn too quickly.

Also the idiot that threatened to drown Igbos in the lagoon, had his palace destroyed and his staff of office, displayed on eBay for sale

Chukwu Abiama does not sleep

RobbStark:
Is Abua n Ekpeye part of Bayelsa State??

It's too early abegi

We all know both Abua and Epkeye people are dominantly found in Rivers State, however some of them are indigenous to Bayelsa State. Most of you seem to forget that all these state boundaries as presently constituted are man-made. They are not natural boundaries.

If you are still in doubt and want a detailed history and identity of Bayelsa, kindly open a thread on the topic and mention me. Better still reference the several list of Bayelsa people that @Ekealterego has posted on this thread.

9Pluto:
We all know both Abua and Epkeye people are dominantly found in Rivers State, however some of them are indigenous to Bayelsa State. Most of you seem to forget that all these state boundaries as presently constituted are man-made. They are not natural boundaries.

If you are still in doubt and want a detailed history and identity of Bayelsa, kindly open a thread on the topic and mention me. Better still reference the several list of Bayelsa people that @Ekealterego has posted on this thread.

Do you know that Biseni in Bayelsa was founded by Ndoni (Ndi onu iyi) people, but the town over town got overwhelmed by Ijaw people strolling into it from Gbaramatu and co, and soon the Ijaws outnumbered the Igbo Aboriginals and Biseni had a language switch from Igboid to Ijoid, with Igbo only surviving in surnames of some Biseni people and in some of their customs.

DubaiLandLord1:
When Igbos are ready for biafla, referendum will only be conducted in the old East Central State.

Nah where igbo land start and end be that.

There is no evidence on ground that shows any igbo kingdom went to war and defeated any coastal area before the arrival and after the arrival of the Europeans.

The answer you need to know the identity of South south people is in the list of South south state governors as presently constituted. 2/6 igbo governors is a majority considering that all others are of different ethnicities. Head or tail, the south south cannot exclude the igbo from Delta to Rivers (let me not talk about the minority igbo in Akwa-ibom, Cross river, Ekpeye in bayelsa etc). Literally, the igbo divides the south south into 2 unequal halves.

Most of you need to travel more and stop relying on heresay.

[quote author=Putindbutt post=108218722]During the slave trade in the 19th century, there was a heavy presence of Igbo slaves from the Igbo hinterland.
Further injection of Igbo people, culture and language came after the slave trade was abolished and all the captured slaves brought recently from Igbo land to Opobo and Bonny to be sold couldn't be sold off again, then the Igbo slaves SETTLED then there AMONG the Ijaw natives. The proportion of the Igbo people to the Ijaw was highly significant in both areas that Igbo language became the common spoken language. In addition, the Igbo language was spoken as a second language by all the minorities living along the Niger Delta and was used as a common means of communication with the Igbo people from the hinterlands.
After the Igbo slaves settled there, it was noted that the natives refused to teach their language to the Igbo people and outsiders but rather they reserved it as a secret language instead. This factor led to the heavy decline in the usage of Ibani in Bonny, the total death of the Language in the Opobo area and the pervasive usage of Igbo language in both areas. When the christian missionaries landed in Bonny, note that the natives did not present Ibani to the missionaries but they presented Igbo as their language instead.
This history is clearly captured in the work of Roger Blench of which a snapshot image of his pdf book is shown below. The full PDF material can also be downloaded here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEwQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rogerblench.info%2FLanguage%2FNiger-Congo%2FIjoid%2FIbani%2FIbani-English%2520dictionary.pdf&ei=9a12UZqsGISMO8SqgMAD&usg=AFQjCNFwak52P0FClDB2M4XeYRy4X0Vseg&sig2=xjJrI-zJS26YVTz8QNqe9Q



cc: JANK23H Alabo7978


Modified: Ibos on this thread are only fighting a lost battle. Give it up already. [/quote


Please throw away all these post-independence documents, put together with the sole intention of neutralising the Igbo ownership of Ubani.

Only show ancient records. They are more unadulterated.

JANK23H:
No...1548

And yet none of them recognize Ijaw pre-eminence over Ubani

RobbStark:
Bonny is motherland.
Opobo is a child of Bonny

Bayelsa is mother State, not my mum's state, get that.
Bayelsa is the only homogeneous Ijaw state.

There are also Urhobos in Bayelsa, so that state is not exclusively Ijaw, before you start claiming Urhobo areas of Bayelsa

OfoIgbo:
There are also Urhobos in Bayelsa, so that state is not exclusively Ijaw, before you start claiming Urhobo areas of Bayelsa

Bayelsa is like 60% (this is me being generous) Ijaw and 40% other distinct Edoid and Ibibiod ethnicities.
And most importantly, the Capital City Yenegoa, belongs to Epie-Attisa, an Edoid people.
So the capital of Bayelsa is not even Ijawland.

The implication if this is that Ijaw as an ethnic group does not have Indigenous claim to any modern city in Nigeria today.

Also note that the non Ikwerre part of PHLGA belongs to Obulom (Abuloma people), even though Obulom people are part of Okirika , they are not an Ijoid people, they are a proto Ibibiod people whose language is classified together with Ibibio as a Cross River language.

NIGERIA is a country built on so many falsehoods, which is why she is a dead country.

Igboid:
"The Ibani who came from Ibo interior and settled in Bonny over 300 years ago".

This man has scored an own goal. Even JANK23H must be dying in shame wherever he is .
JANK23H, it's like your Yoruba friend is out here to bury you in the guise of helping you, because of this remark you made years ago against Yorubas?

Yorubas can be very strategic and they never forget.

Ndo, my Asawana neighbor. Next time don't invite Yorubas to your war. They don't fight for no one but themselves.

I doubt you can put an average ibo and intelligence in the same sentence. To begin with, are you a graduate?. Were you taught in school to read a paragraph in isolation?

You chose the first paragraph in isolation while dismissing the concluding paragraph, who does that?.. How can you selectively isolate the first sentence if your mind is not already shallow.

The writer focuses on the ibos inhabitant /descent of Bonny who had come from the interior to settle. "
Going further, he revealed how they had struggled to adapt to their new environment which was unnatural to them.

Aside the fact that Ibani is not dialectical to ibos.

Igboid:
Bayelsa is like 60% (this is me being generous) Ijaw and 40% other distinct Edoid and Ibibiod ethnicities.

Are you sure it is up to 60%? Let us stop making conjectures please. From what @Ekealterego posted, they are not upto 60%.

See for yourself:


This is BAYELSA

1. The ijoids (South Izon/southern Ijaw, Izon etc.)

2. The Edoids (e.g Epie, Attisa, Engenni [Known as the Oguan), Urhobo, Isoko).

3. The Cross-River people (Ogbia, Abureni etc. )

These are the people in Bayelsa and here is their classification and LGAs

Brass
Abureni; Cross-River language/people
Southeast Ijo; IJo
Ogbia; Cross-River language/people
kugbo; Cross-River language/people

Ekeremor
Izon; Ijo

Kolokuma/Opokuma

Izon; Ijo

Nembe
Abureni; Cross-River people/language
Southeast Ijo; Ijo
Izon (Ijaw)

Ogbia
Abureni; Cross-River language.
Southeast Ijo;
Odual; Cross-River language
Ogbia; Cross-River language
Oruma; Ijo

Sagbama
Biseni; Ijo
Isoko; Edoid/Edo
Izon; Ijo
Ogbah; Igbo/Igboid
Okodia; inland Ijo/Ijo
Urhobo; Urhobo/Edoid/Edo

Southern Ijaw

Southeast Ijo; Ijo
Izon; Ijo

Yenagoa
Engenni; Edo/Edoid
Epie; Edo/Edoid
Izon; Ijo
Ekpeye; Igboid



Notice that Ekpeye is in Yenegoa, the heartland of Bayelsa.

OfoIgbo:
.

Joker, I should throw away lists of citations of older documents that corroborate obvious proofs. Weren't you taught the importance of citations in school?
For instance, should I throw away a book of 2021 that supports its works with a body of proofs or citations from the 15th or 16th century?