₦airaland Forum

Putindbutt:
I doubt you can put an average ibo and intelligence in the same sentence. To begin with, are you a graduate?. Were you taught in school to read a paragraph in isolation?

You chose the first paragraph in isolation while dismissing the concluding paragraph, who does that?.. How can you selectively isolate the first sentence if your mind is not already shallow.

The writer focuses on the ibos inhabitant /descent of Bonny who had come from the interior to settle. "
Going further, he revealed how they had struggled to adapt to their new environment which was unnatural to them.

Aside the fact that Ibani is not dialectical to ibos.

I think you are playing dumb now, having lost the argument.
Next time, don't let your Igbophobia get the better of you, people have been noted to take rat poison as a result of Igbo hate.
Always verify your sources to make sure they support your argument and not your opponent argument before rushing to post them and then get stuck in a hole that you will always deep further the more you try to wriggle your way out like you are currently doing.

Having dropped your Alabo moniker after you were bursed, your lack of intelligence has made you drive this particular moniker into an intellectual cul-de-sac. You have reached a dead end, and I am sure you know it.

I expect you to now rest this moniker and log on into your other monikers an try again.

Let's hope that that time around you show intelligence. Because so far, you have been a disappointment. You only ended up complicating issues for JANK23H, who I thought despite having all evidence against him, have been putting up a fairly good fight.

Igboid:
Do you know that Biseni in Bayelsa was founded by Ndoni (Ndi onu iyi) people, but the town over town got overwhelmed by Ijaw people strolling into it from Gbaramatu and co, and soon the Ijaws outnumbered the Igbo Aboriginals and Biseni had a language switch from Igboid to Ijoid, with Igbo only surviving in surnames of some Biseni people and in some of their customs.

.....I actually know two ladies (sisters) from there.
.......The people are called "Biseni Ama Ogu"
.........All their surnames are Igbo
..........The contacts I know could speak Igbo or at least understand but I think they might have another language.

However all the members of the family understood Igbo (This could be because they lived in Rivers state though).

I asked if they were Igbo and how they got their Igbo names. They said they are not, but almost everyone in their village have Igbo surnames up to their great grand-fathers and their main occupation is fishing.

I think they are now IIjawnised.

Putindbutt:
Joker, I should throw away lists of citations of older documents that corroborate obvious proofs. Weren't you taught the importance of citations in school?
For instance, should I throw away a book of 2021 that supports its works with a body of proofs or citations from the 15th or 16th century?

Yes, you should throw them away, but rather quote from those 15th or 16th century books
The devil is usually in the details in these things, and I will prove it to you landgrabbers with Dr. Baikie's account of the languages spoken in Bonny. Watch out for it

9Pluto:
Are you sure it is up to 60%? Let us stop making conjectures please. From what @Ekealterego posted, they are not upto 60%.

See for yourself:


This is BAYELSA

1. The ijoids (South Izon/southern Ijaw, Izon etc.)

2. The Edoids (e.g Epie, Attisa, Engenni [Known as the Oguan), Urhobo, Isoko).

3. The Cross-River people (Ogbia, Abureni etc. )

These are the people in Bayelsa and here is their classification and LGAs

Brass
Abureni; Cross-River language/people
Southeast Ijo; IJo
Ogbia; Cross-River language/people
kugbo; Cross-River language/people

Ekeremor
Izon; Ijo

Kolokuma/Opokuma

Izon; Ijo

Nembe
Abureni; Cross-River people/language
Southeast Ijo; Ijo
Izon (Ijaw)

Ogbia
Abureni; Cross-River language.
Southeast Ijo;
Odual; Cross-River language
Ogbia; Cross-River language
Oruma; Ijo

Sagbama
Biseni; Ijo
Isoko; Edoid/Edo
Izon; Ijo
Ogbah; Igbo/Igboid
Okodia; inland Ijo/Ijo
Urhobo; Urhobo/Edoid/Edo

Southern Ijaw

Southeast Ijo; Ijo
Izon; Ijo

Yenagoa
Engenni; Edo/Edoid
Epie; Edo/Edoid
Izon; Ijo
Ekpeye; Igboid



Notice that Ekpeye is in Yenegoa, the heartland of Bayelsa.

Ewoo!
My apologies.
Maybe 30% sounds much closer to the reality looking at this .

Vintagepipes:
.....I actually know two ladies (sisters) from there.
.......The people are called "Biseni Ama Ogu"
.........All their surnames are Igbo
..........The contacts I know could speak Igbo or at least understand but I think they might have another language.

However all the members of the family understood Igbo (This could be because they lived in Rivers state though).

I asked if they were Igbo and how they got their Igbo names. They said they are not, but almost everyone in their village have Igbo surnames up to their great grand-fathers and their main occupation is fishing.

I think they are now IIjawnised.

They have been unfortunately Ijawnized.
The thing dey pain Ndoni people.
They were same people, before the Ijaws rushed Biseni and Ijawnized them.

Ijaws are aggressive expansionists. The Biseni Igbo ancestors were aloof to these schemes like most Igbos are. Look at the kind of cultural genocide Ijaws are attempting to pull off in Bonny and Opobo, and you understand that this is not a new thing for them, they have been in the business of cultural genocide in the past, and Biseni was a successful campaign of theirs.
We have lost Biseni forever. I can't have someone who doesn't speak Igbo as mother tongue in an Igbo gathering, ancestry or no ancestry, that's nonsense.

Biseni Ijoid language is corrupted by many Ndoni (Igboid) words and even intonation so much that other Ijaws don't understand them when they speak.
But the language is unmistakably Ijoid.

Putindbutt:
Ibani are a subgroup of ijaws. It was the whites who changed ibani to Bonny. The Europeans altered ibani to Bonny.
Barbot's " bany" was the closet alteration of ibani.

According to Ajayi Crowther, both "Ibani" and "Ubani" are Igbo words.

Any how you put it, Ijaw doesn't have a foothold.

Igboid:
They have been unfortunately Ijawnized.
The thing dey pain Ndoni people.
They were same people, before the Ijaws rushed Biseni and Ijawnized them.

Ijaws are aggressive expansionists. The Biseni Igbo ancestors were aloof to these schemes like most Igbos are.
We have lost Biseni forever. I can't have someone who doesn't speak Igbo as mother tongue in an Igbo gathering, ancestry or no ancestry, that's nonsense.

Biseni Ijoid language is corrupted by many Ndoni (Igboid) words and even intonation so much that other Ijaws don't understand them when they speak.
But the language is unmistakably Ijoid.

Someone may have to put up a write-up as this will make a good project topic. Any current history student in Uniport, Rsust, Elechi polythenic etc

Ongoing ijawnization of the Niger-delta, a lesson in contemporary history.

Ongoing ijawnization of the Niger-delta, a study of contemporary Niger-delta history.

Igboid:
They have been unfortunately Ijawnized.
The thing dey pain Ndoni people.
They were same people, before the Ijaws rushed Biseni and Ijawnized them.

Ijaws are aggressive expansionists. The Biseni Igbo ancestors were aloof to these schemes like most Igbos are.
We have lost Biseni forever. I can't have someone who doesn't speak Igbo as mother tongue in an Igbo gathering, ancestry or no ancestry, that's nonsense.

Biseni Ijoid language is corrupted by many Ndoni (Igboid) words and even intonation so much that other Ijaws don't understand them when they speak.
But the language is unmistakably Ijoid.

Expository. Now I understand how my ex got that her Igbo surname. Nwaku is her surname. She never told me where she’s from in Bayelsa maybe trying hide something. But I was always inquisitive by asking her question on how everyone in their village came about answering Igbo surnames. Ndoni is Oru. I have a feeling many of them were Oru close to that Brass tip. Many Bayelsa Oru have been Ijawnized.

9Pluto:
Someone may have to put up a write-up as this will make a good project topic. Any current history student in Uniport, Rsust, Elechi polythenic etc

Ongoing ijawnization of the Niger-delta, a lesson in contemporary history.

That will make for a very good research topic.
The person can use Biseni and Bonny/Opobo in comparative analysis.

Igboid:
I think you are playing dumb now, having lost the argument.
Next time, don't let your Igbophobia get the better of you, people have been noted to take rat poison as a result of Igbo hate.
Always verify your sources to make sure they support your argument and not your opponent argument before rushing to post them and then get stuck in a hole that you will always deep further the more you try to wriggle your way out like you are currently doing.

Having dropped your Alabo moniker after you were bursed, your lack of intelligence has made you drive this particular moniker into an intellectual cul-de-sac. You have reached a dead end, and I am sure you know it.

I expect you to now rest this moniker and log on into your other monikers an try again.

Let's hope that that time around you show intelligence. Because so far, you have been a disappointment. You only ended up complicating issues for JANK23H, who I thought despite having all evidence against him, have been putting up a fairly good fight.

I won't stoop so low to attack individual, I rather attack the topic instead. And also attack your inconsistencies and false narratives. I am now xyz moniker when it suits you.

Back to the issue;

*The question is why do you ignore the concluding paragraph?..

*Why were ibos forced by circumstances to adapt to the life of the sea?

* Why were they called ibo interior?

* When ibos were told to have SETTLED. Would you compare a Settler in a place to a founder of a place?.

Use your brain.

BKayy:
According to Ajayi Crowther, both "Ibani" and "Ubani" are Igbo words.

Any how you put it, Ijaw doesn't have a foothold.

*Bonny is called Okoloama BY THEMSELVES.

*Okoloba, Obani BY THE IBOS.


Which part is difficult for you to understand?

Putindbutt:
*Bonny is called Okoloama BY THEMSELVES.

*Okoloba, Obani BY THE IBOS.


Which part is difficult for you to understand?

Yoruba man aka Alabo you've been busted. Allow real Ijaws fight their battle and stop disgracing erudite Yoruba’s on Nairaland.

Igboid:
They have been unfortunately Ijawnized.
The thing dey pain Ndoni people.
They were same people, before the Ijaws rushed Biseni and Ijawnized them.

Ijaws are aggressive expansionists. The Biseni Igbo ancestors were aloof to these schemes like most Igbos are. Look at the kind of cultural genocide Ijaws are attempting to pull off in Bonny and Opobo, and you understand that this is not a new thing for them, they have been in the business of cultural genocide in the past, and Biseni was a successful campaign of theirs.
We have lost Biseni forever. I can't have someone who doesn't speak Igbo as mother tongue in an Igbo gathering, ancestry or no ancestry, that's nonsense.

Biseni Ijoid language is corrupted by many Ndoni (Igboid) words and even intonation so much that other Ijaws don't understand them when they speak.
But the language is unmistakably Ijoid.

.......I reckon it is a consequence of identity crisis. It makes it even worse.
.......Ndoni is just almost opposite Aboh .......or at some point same people as Aboh...
.... but now, people in Ukwuani LGA still reminisce paying taxes to Oba of Bini, while Ndioshimili are mostly Igbos or Identify as Igbo, the umbrella "Ndokwa/Ukwuani sub group have splintered even further....

Putindbutt:
*Bonny is called Okoloama BY THEMSELVES.

*Okoloba, Obani BY THE IBOS.


Which part is difficult for you to understand?

Was Ijaw mentioned there?
Take Nri for example. Other Igbo people call her "Nshi", even her closest neighbour Western Igboland do so while she calls herself Nri, but does that stop Nri from being Igbo?

Okoloma is still Ndoki-Igbo.
Which part of this or all the sources listed on this thread has mentioned Ijaw?

Any one?
Your guess is as good as mine.

Putindbutt:
*Bonny is called Okoloama BY THEMSELVES.

*Okoloba, Obani BY THE IBOS.


Which part is difficult for you to understand?

Ndoki is called Ndoki by themselves, Ukwa by other igbos

Ngwa people call Bende/umuahia people umuogbo, while Bende people call themselves Bende,ohuhu,Alai, Item etc

I hope you get the point now.

If anything I am just learning now that it was even Igbo people that call or own the name Ibani.

Bonny was the british pronounciation of Ebane/Ibane.

Igboid:
That will make for a very good research topic.
The person can use Biseni and Bonny/Opobo in comparative analysis.

Bonny/Opobo would make for a wrong case study for any comparative analysis. The palace of Bonny and Opobo being the primary source has already been settled. I expect you take the next bus to Bonny palace for more clarification. Otherwise, your arguments on Nairaland is just a mere academic exercise.

9Pluto:
Ndoki is called Ndoki by themselves, Ukwa by other igbos

Ngwa people call Bende/umuahia people umuogbo, while Bende people call themselves Bende,ohuhu,Alai, Item etc

I hope you get the point now.

If anything I am just learning now that it was even Igbo people that call or own the name Ibani.

Bonny was the british pronounciation of Ebane/Ibane.

BKayy:
Was Ijaw mentioned there?
Take Nri for example. Other Igbo people call her "Nshi", even her closest neighbour Western Igboland do so while she calls herself Nri, but does that stop Nri from being Igbo?

Okoloma is still Ndoki-Igbo.
Which part of this or all the sources listed on this thread has mentioned Ijaw?

Any one?
Your guess is as good as mine.

Same logic applied to Ibani. Ibani are called Ibani by themselves. And Ibani are a subgroup of ijaws.

Vintagepipes:
.......I reckon it is a consequence of identity crisis. It makes it even worse.
.......Ndoni is just almost opposite Aboh .......or at some point same people as Aboh...
.... but now, people in Ukwuani LGA still reminisce paying taxes to Oba of Bini, while Ndioshimili are mostly Igbos or Identify as Igbo, the umbrella "Ndokwa/Ukwuani sub group have splintered even further....

It is important for most of them to go and dig their history.

Paying reverence and coming from a place/ethnic group are two different things. That is what peolpe like Governor Wike needs to be taught if history were a subject in Nigerian schools.

My research acknowledge that the Benin empire was quite so influencial that people of other ethnic identities were paying the Oba homage. This doesn't mean they are or were of the same ethnic identity.

There is a recorded instance of such in the far away Niger delta and it is part of the things I want to teach ijaw historians in a live debate.

So Ukwani/Aboh people should look at historical records, it is all there.

Putindbutt:
Same logic applied to Ibani. Ibani are called Ibani by themselves. And Ibani are a subgroup of ijaws.

While we have seen several accounts of ibani as an igbo dialect and igbo tribe, why has it become an impossible task to show us Ibani and ijaw in the same sentence?

I keep amusing myself when I see you guys attach suffix to peoples ethnicity.

Obolo-ijaw
ndoki-ijaw
ibani-ijaw

The same ijaw that is only four local government in bayelsa state.

9Pluto:
It is important for most of them to go and dig their history.

Paying reverence and coming from a place/ethnic group are two different things. That is what peolpe like Governor Wike needs to be taught if history were a subject in Nigerian schools.

My research acknowledge that the Benin empire was quite so influencial that people of other ethnic identities were paying the Oba homage. This doesn't mean they are or were of the same ethnic identity.

There is a recorded instance of such in the far away Niger delta and it is part of the things I want to teach ijaw historians in a live debate.

So Ukwani/Aboh people should look at historical records, it is all there.

You can call out Ijaw historians to a live debate by writing an article to a national daily. Or go to INC page or Speak Ibani NGO to get one or two to a debate. If in Lagos, I don't mind accompany you to a Radio or TV house in Lekki to do an open broadcast. You might want to consider a popular Youtuber to launch the Bonny/Opobo origin - truth or facts episode. But since you say you have BBC links all you need do is go on air with the findings, I assure you that the Ijaw nationalist will send a rejoinder. From the rejoinder, you can get them to come to BBC Lagos for an open contest of fact.

Putindbutt:
Same logic applied to Ibani. Ibani are called Ibani by themselves. And Ibani are a subgroup of ijaws.

Prove it with any source before 1970 or any physical link

BKayy:
Prove it with any source before 1970 or any physical link

He has no validation from independent and pre-colonial historians to prove so. Allow him wallow in his self-deceit.

Eastlink:
You can call out Ijaw historians to a live debate by writing an article to a national daily. Or go to INC page or Speak Ibani NGO to get one or two to a debate. If in Lagos, I don't mind accompany you a Radio house in Lekki to do an open broadcast. But since you say you have BBC links all you need do is go on air with the findings, I assure you that the Ijaw nationalist will send a rejoinder.

Ideally, i would love it to be on BBC pidgin/igbo or Arise, Sunrise daily etc If any of them had picked up the baton here David Hundeyin could anchor it for us.

9Pluto:
Ideally, i would love it to be on BBC pidgin/igbo or Arise, Sunrise daily etc If any of them had picked up the baton here David Hundeyin could anchor it for us.

David Hundeyin might be interested so long facts are provided and terms and conditions agreed. All pre-independence evidence gathered here and more littered online can come handy to give you an edge. If the debate is launched, I bet you it will go a long way in changing perceptions in Bonny.

Eastlink:
You can call out Ijaw historians to a live debate by writing an article to a national daily. Or go to INC page or Speak Ibani NGO to get one or two to a debate. If in Lagos, I don't mind accompany you to a Radio or TV house in Lekki to do an open broadcast. You might want to consider a popular Youtuber to launch the Bonny/Opobo origin - truth or facts episode. But since you say you have BBC links all you need do is go on air with the findings, I assure you that the Ijaw nationalist will send a rejoinder. From the rejoinder, you can get them to come to BBC Lagos for an open contest of fact.

I am not in Lagos(unless it can be done remotely) and I do not have BBC links, however I have been trying unsuccessfully to reach BBC.

9Pluto:
I am not in Lagos and I do not have BBC links, however I have been trying unsuccessfully to reach BBC.

Reaching BBC is not too difficult. BBC tend to rely on trends to invite you. They won't invite you if you are not controversial or a trend setter. And you must set the pace by getting in touch with popular Youtuber in the history niche to help out.

Eastlink:
Reaching BBC is not too difficult. BBC tend to rely on trends to invite you. They won't invite you if you are not controversial or a trend setter. And you must set the pace by getting in touch with popular Youtuber in the history niche to help out.

I would appreciate if you would point me to anyone. Thanks.

Igboid:
They have been unfortunately Ijawnized.
The thing dey pain Ndoni people.
They were same people, before the Ijaws rushed Biseni and Ijawnized them.

Ijaws are aggressive expansionists. The Biseni Igbo ancestors were aloof to these schemes like most Igbos are. Look at the kind of cultural genocide Ijaws are attempting to pull off in Bonny and Opobo, and you understand that this is not a new thing for them, they have been in the business of cultural genocide in the past, and Biseni was a successful campaign of theirs.
We have lost Biseni forever. I can't have someone who doesn't speak Igbo as mother tongue in an Igbo gathering, ancestry or no ancestry, that's nonsense.

Biseni Ijoid language is corrupted by many Ndoni (Igboid) words and even intonation so much that other Ijaws don't understand them when they speak.
But the language is unmistakably Ijoid.

Even Bayelsa state govt recognised that Nembe is a different language. Why? Can Ijaw people explain?

They also recognise that those are just the major languages. That confirms the fact that there are others.

9Pluto:
I would appreciate if you would point me to anyone. Thanks.

You are trying nwanne. I see you in the mould of Mazi Ogbonnaya Okoro who unraveled the presence of Igbos clans in Kogi by writing about the communities and visiting them in person with videos and photos to show. I’ll search online to find popular Youtubers who will need such historical contents.

BKayy:
Prove it with any source before 1970 or any physical link

The truest physical link is the Bonny palace itself. They should tell you if they are ibani- ijaws or not.

Vintagepipes:
Even Bayelsa state govt recognised that Nembe is a different language. Why? Can Ijaw people explain?

They also recognise that those are just the major languages. That confirms the fact that there are others.

Even historical records showed Nembe were a different people.

There is need to stem the growing tide of ignorance in Nigeria.

Just to puncture the lies of the landgrabbers with regards to the Bonny language that Dr. Baikie recorded.

Before I carry on, please bear in mind that Dr. Baikie had already made it clear that Bonny people claim Igbo descent.

Now, my first attachment shows a snippet in the book, where Baikie stated that the deposed King Peppel gave him a lot of information about BONNY. Not about Igbo. This is extremely important. What it means is that ex-king Pepple's piece in the Appendix of Dr. Baikie's book will be solely about BONNY/UBANI

Now the second attachment references the Appendix of interest, the first part deals with commonalities between Igbo, Nembe, Oru, Ibani and Kalabari.
The second part delves into the information that ex-king Pepple shared with Dr. Baikie about Bonny. In it, ex-king Pepple listed a few words and numbering in both Ibani and Igbo, which clearly means both languages are spoken in Bonny, after all ex-king Pepple was only sharing information about Bonny with Dr. Baikie, according to the first attachment.

Now, space did not permit me to also showcase the little commentary that Dr. Baikie made, wherein he stated that the Igbo numbering supplied by the ex king, had both Isuama and Aro pronunciations, which will suggest that other Igbo dialects had started affecting the original Ndoki dialect, as recorded by Captain Crow.

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