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Igboid:
That's a good idea.
Slayerforever, you should create a new Facebook page, and then we admit members from NL only by this means.

A Facebook page or a WhatsApp group?

Igboid:
Opobo and Bonny associate with Ijaw because Ijaw as we know it today is a political franchise, anyone in the riverine terrain can join.
Even Edoid speakers like Epie/Atissa, Engenni, Udekeme, etc all identify as Ijaws today even though they continue to speak their native Edoid language.
They understand Ijaw to be a political franchise.

The Ibibiod groups who are recently trying to f which includes the Abua, Odual, Ogbia, etc also speak their Ibibiod language at home.
They all understand that Ijaw is a political franchise for easy access of oil contract deals and other lucrative dealings with oil companies and the FG.

But in case of Opobo and Bonny, because they are Igboid, Ijaws are not comfortable with just the political franchise tag, they want a cultural suicide.
They want Bonny and Opobo language replaced outrightly.
To this aim, historical distortions have been made by Alagoa and perpetuated for decades unchallenged so much that they have started taking the form of the truth.
The Bonny and Opobo people are being Hoodwinked into believing that their Igbo language was an alien language, while Kalabari language was their old language.

Our point is that if Bonny and Opobo people are going to Change their Igbo language to Kalabari language, let them atleast do so knowing the truth that their ancestors always spoke Igbo and were Igbos.
Let them know that their Igbo language didn't come to them through Igbo slaves but through their Kings and their first ancestors.

Let their decision to throw away their Igbo language be that of an INFORMED decision, and not a manipulated one that it currently is.

This thread is not about making Bonny and Opobo people accept Igbo.
It's about correcting historical distortions that demonized the Igbo language in Bonny and Opobo,by presenting it as a language of slaves, when all historical facts shows that the early founders of Bonny and Opobo not only were Igbo speakers, but identified themselves as a people of Igbo descent.

This is the meat of this thread.

I hope you understand better now!

I don't think it will be wise to assume Opobians and Bonny people are Igboid when the local folks identify themselves as Ijoid.

You see the Ijaws as a political franchise but I have been to Opobo and Bonny and this people don't see Ijaw as a political franchise rather they believe that they are a part and parcel of Ijaw.

You claim that there is historical distortion and there is a conspiracy to wipe out the Igbo language from there but I have been to Opobo and Bonny and non of this your claim holds water as the people themselves has never believed they were Igbos.

If you say Ijaw is a political franchise, can we also say Igbos are political franchise too?

I have been to Aba, Onitsha, Enugu, Awka, Owerri and Orlu, the local folks identify themselves as Igbos and nobody else can identify their ethnicity with any other groups as far as the local folks in this Igbo towns have identified themselves as Igbo.

Now if people of Bonny and Opobo has identified themselves as Ijaw, who is me and you to identify them as something else?

Besides, if you feel there is a distortion of historical facts, the people you ought to be convincing is not us here on nairaland but the local folks in Opobo and Bonny.

Me and you can't be here on nairaland identifying local folks of Igboid Enugu, Aba, Onitsha, or Ijoid Bonny, Opobo, Okirika or kalabari.

These people already knows who they are irrespective of our opinion, our opinion is inconsequential as long as these people has already identify themselves.

Have you even been to Opobo and Bonny?

9Pluto:
I support you go on. Whatsapp or telegram.
You can use this to verify identity. If certified you can add them to the group.
Let them first connect to you personally, then they would be asked to post a particular phrase on a thread with your nairaland profile...

Ok.
WhatsApp and Telegram are also good.

DitariDisciple2:
Iv forwarded this your comment to all Ijaw groups I belong, and iv even asked the people to foward it to all Ijaws.
Iv forwarded it to the Ijaw Youth Council group IYC.
The 3rd highest Ijaw socia-cultural organizations.
Iv forwarded it to the 2nd highest Ijaw socia-cultural organizations, Lovers of Ijaw Nation Organization LINO group
Iv forwarded it to Ijaw Republic group.
Iv forwarded it to Ijaw matters group.
Iv forwarded it to Izon Bibi group.
Iv forwarded it to Commissioner of Ijaw National Affairs.
Iv forwarded it to Ijaw National Congress President the same positions with Ohanaeze Ndigbo and Afenifere President.
Iv forwarded it everywhere nd asked them all to act.
Iv forwarded it to IYC President and his excos differently.
Iv forwarded it to INC excos.
Iv forwarded it to LINO excos.
Iv forwarded it different Ijaw Commissioners.
Iv forwarded it to the deputy Governor of Delta state.
The Ijaw man.

God be my witness on all these.
Now tell me who is smarter.

What makes you think forwarding it to even mars will change anything?

The Igbo nation is coming to reclaim what is ours. Go and tell anybody you want to tell.

Igboid:
Okay.
So I'm back.

Finally, what we have been able to achieve in this thread is to establish that the Igbo presence in Bonny is Aboriginal and not only via slave trade.

This is very important, because no one have been able to argue this point convincingly and provide evidence for it before now.


The second stage is awareness creation. We have to find a way to put this information out there in the real world and make it a common knowledge!
Social media would help on this. And I reckon this should move smoothly.


The next stage is to get the academia involved. Our professors in history at our universities in SE should earn their keep.
We need them to ruin Alagoa intellectually by publishing books on Bonny and Opobo to correct Alagoa manipulations and force Alagoa into an intellectual debate. It would be interesting to see the old fox grasping at straws like JANK23H have been doing on this thread.

Like Eastlink noted, Alagoa cannot be dragged by people like us. We need our big wigs in the Academia to do the job! Gidi gidi bu ugwu Eze. Ekelu Olu eke!


Then the most important aspect, we need a political will.
And this can only happen when we start putting people who reason beyond women, drinks, parties, stashing of public funds abroad and jetting off to live abroad come the end of their tenure, in positions of power in Igboland.
This obviously cannot be achieved with IPOB methods that shies away from taking control of Political power in SE and the enormous finance that this could give to us to finance a Better positioned and reformed Ohanaeze to do it's ground job of cultural unification of all Igbo speaking people.
We have to start putting people of substance who reason beyond their clan , village, town and state. People willing to close ranks with counterparts from Igbo speaking regions in SS, SE and NC to achieve a purpose for the benefit of United Igbo nation.
Zik was Better in this aspect, that was how we got Osadebey to be the premier of Mid Western region.


In my opinion, this is the challenge facing us.

But we are already doing alot just by discussing this topic.

I love these your points, but don't you guys have a private groups where you can table this points?
You don't have to inform your enemy that you are coming, and from which angle you are coming from.
Strategy and tact is crucial here.

JANK23H:
This has been said over and over again my brother.I just tire.

Go there and see for yourselves!

They'll attack you,just watch.

Most of them arguing blindly have not even been to Opobo or Bonny to get first hand knowledge of this two places.

They sit in the comfort of their home and assume that a set of people are Igboid whereas they have not even ventured to meet this people for real.

I can't seat in my home and assume the igboness of Anambra state or the Ijawness of Opobo, if I have doubt about their ethnicity, i venture out to this places and carry our a first hand investigation

sinteiking:
Most of them arguing blindly have not even been to Opobo or Bonny to get first hand knowledge of this two places.

They sit in the comfort of their home and assume that a set of people are Igboid whereas they have not even ventured to meet this people for real.

I can't seat in my home and assume the igboness of Anambra state or the Ijawness of Opobo, if I have doubt about their ethnicity, i venture out to this places and carry our a first hand investigation

You guys should chill. Your land grabbing antics is getting out of hand. You claim even down to Ndoki in Abia state, is that not madness? A people that don't speak same language nor possess same culture with you.
Bonny is contestable, because of Finima and the rest, but you see Opobo, those are pure Igbos. Besides, I met a Bonny girl this morning, who said bluntly she is not Ijaw but Egbani. What do you say about that?

izac82:
You guys should chill. Your land grabbing antics is getting out of hand. You claim even down to Ndoki in Abia state, is that not madness? A people that don't speak same language nor possess same culture with you.
Bonny is contestable, because of Finima and the rest, but you see Opobo, those are pure Igbos. Besides, I met a Bonny girl this morning, who said bluntly she is not Ijaw but Egbani. What do you say about that?

Anybody can just wake up and claim they met an unverified anonymous person who said they are from Bonny and Opobo and they are not Ijaws

Your so called Bonny gal might just be another unverified anonymous person that may be real or not real.

The bone of contention here is if the majority of people from Opobo and Bonny identify themselves as Ijaw or not.

To get a answer, is to meet directly with the local folks on ground and not just testimonies from some random unverified individuals

[quote author=Alabo7978 post=108249178][/quote]good talks... benawei, you made a good suggestion....

I got that your name.... I shall make thread of it where after we renamed all our slaves....

We gave them jubo jubogha..
We gave them biafra...
Now you gave one a name....

I here by gave slayerforever (omoni tobo) meaning slave child.....

sinteiking:
Anybody can just wake up and claim they meet an anonymous

Agreed, but this is no made up story. However, whether you believe it or not, that's not the point, your land grabbing sponsored movement has to stop, else you guys could end up triggering an unending conflict in the Niger Delta.

sinteiking:

I don't think it will be wise to assume Opobians and Bonny people are Igboid when the local folks identify themselves as Ijoid.

The people speak Igbo as mother tongue. You must think they are dunce if there are not some of them who identify as Igbo.

You see the Ijaws as a political franchise but I have been to Opobo and Bonny and this people don't see Ijaw as a political franchise rather they believe that they are a part and parcel of Ijaw.

The locals don't identify as Ijoid.
They identify as Bonny and Opobo,while being members of IYC and INC like the rest of non Ijoid groups in SS riverine terrain. There is a political and ethnic Ijaw in the SS . Ask around if you don't know the difference.

You claim that there is historical distortion and there is a conspiracy to wipe out the Igbo language from there but I have been to Opobo and Bonny and non of this your claim holds water as the people themselves has never believed they were Igbos.

Yes there's a historical distortion and have proven it here. Let me list it for you.

✓Alagoa fraudulently reduced Igbo presence in Bonny to Slaves

✓Early European records proved this to be false as Slaves can't be kings in Bonny, but we know that Early Bonny kings identified themselves to be of Igbo descent

✓Bonny and Opobo people have been repeatedly told that their Igbo language came from Igbo slaves and that keeping it makes them descendants of Igbo Slaves, that the only way they be Indigenes of Bonnyland is if they throw away their Igbo language

✓ To this end, there have been aggressive campaign anchored by the fraudulent historian himself Alagoa, since 1990s to make Opobo and Bonny people drop their Igbo language and culture for Kalabari language they dubiously termed "Ibani" language.

These are not claims, these are all verified facts!

If you say Ijaw is a political franchise, can we also say Igbos are political franchise too?

I have been to Aba, Onitsha, Enugu, Awka, Owerri and Orlu, the local folks identify themselves as Igbos and nobody else can identify their ethnicity with any other groups as far as the local folks in this Igbo towns have identified themselves as Igbo.

Every clan in the Igbo ethnic group speak an Igboid language that is mutually intelligble to each other.
In Ijaw, Epie-Attisa, Udekeme Engenni speak an Edoid language that is closely related to Isoko language.
The Ogbia, Abureni, Andoni, Abua, Odual, Obulom (Abuloma people) all speak an Ibibiod language.
None of these languages are in any way related to Ijaw language.
If that's not a franchise, I don't know what else it is. How can people who speak unrelated full fledged languages, with each language having it's own sub dialects be a member of same ethnicity? Does it make sense to you?

Now if people of Bonny and Opobo has identified themselves as Ijaw, who is me and you to identify them as something else?

These people never identified themselves as Ijaws before the war.
We can't decide for them who they want to be, but we want them to make that decision with all the available facts and information being made available to them, so that they can make an INFORMED decision.
Because right now, every Opobo and Bonny person that have been embracing Ijaw language that I met, were doing so believing that his ancestors were Ijaws and that they switched to Igbo Language because of Igbo Slaves.
That's the narrative Alagoa and the British post civil war propaganda sold.

Besides, if you feel there is a distortion of historical facts, the people you ought to be convincing is not us here on nairaland but the local folks in Opobo and Bonny

There is a historical distortion, and the aim here is to make it a general knowledge that Alagoa and Ijaw nationalists from Bayelsa distorted Bonny and Opobo history.
Atleast you now know that such distortion exists, likewise anyone else that would stumble into this thread in the future.
We used this thread for brainstorming.
We will soon spread the message using all available social media platforms.
Until it reaches all and sundry.
Our aim is basically to stimulate a discussion on the the topic, to force the topic into limelight and expose the likes of Alagoa or force him into a public debate.

These people already knows who they are irrespective of our opinion, our opinion is inconsequential as long as these people has already identify themselves.

Have you even been to Opobo and Bonny?

Trust me, the people don't know anything.
None of them have read any of the historical materials on Bonny and Opobo that we shared here.
All they always had was Alagoa fraudulent distortions being repackaged and shoved down their throats yearly by IYC and INC.
We are providing them with full information that Alagoa denied them, and then allow them make an informed decision on their identity and decision to throw away the Igbo language heritage their Igbo ancestors who were also Aboriginal settlers and kings of Bonny bequeathed them.
That's the least we can do. We owe it to the Igbo Aboriginals and kings in Bonny, that their presence in the land be not reduced to the lowly status of slaves by Ijaw expansionists from Bayelsa led by Alagoa.

izac82:
Agreed, but this is no made up story. However, whether you believe it or not, that's not the point, your land grabbing sponsored movement has to stop, else you guys could end up triggering an unending conflict in the Niger Delta.

Is it possible to land grab people's ethnicity?

Igboid:
sinteiking:



The people speak Igbo as mother tongue. You must think they are dunce if there are not some of them who identify as Igbo.



The locals don't identify as Ijoid.
They identify as Bonny and Opobo,while being members of IYC and INC like the rest of non Ijoid groups in SS riverine terrain. There is a political and ethnic Ijaw in the SS . Ask around if you don't know the difference.




Yes there's a historical distortion and have proven it here. Let me list it for you.

✓Alagoa fraudulently reduced Igbo presence in Bonny to Slaves

✓Early European records proved this to be false as Slaves can't be kings in Bonny, but we know that Early Bonny kings identified themselves to be of Igbo descent

✓Bonny and Opobo people have been repeatedly told that their Igbo language came from Igbo slaves and that keeping it makes them descendants of Igbo Slaves, that the only way they be Indigenes of Bonnyland is if they throw away their Igbo language

✓ To this end, there have been aggressive campaign anchored by the fraudulent historian himself Alagoa, since 1990s to make Opobo and Bonny people drop their Igbo language and culture for Kalabari language they dubiously termed "Ibani" language.

These are not claims, these are all verified facts!





Every clan in the Igbo ethnic group speak an Igboid language that is mutually intelligble to each other.
In Ijaw, Epie-Attisa, Udekeme Engenni speak an Edoid language that is closely related to Isoko language.
The Ogbia, Abureni, Andoni, Abua, Odual, Obulom (Abuloma people) all speak an Ibibiod language.
None of these languages are in any way related to Ijaw language.
If that's not a franchise, I don't know what else it is. How can people who speak unrelated full fledged languages, with each language having it's own sub dialects be a member of same ethnicity? Does it make sense to you?



These people never identified themselves as Ijaws before the war.
We can't decide for them who they want to be, but we want them to make that decision with all the available facts and information being made available to them, so that they can make an INFORMED decision.
Because right now, every Opobo and Bonny person that have been embracing Ijaw language that I met, were doing so believing that his ancestors were Ijaws and that they switched to Igbo Language because of Igbo Slaves.
That's the narrative Alagoa and the British post civil war propaganda sold.




There is a historical distortion, and the aim here is to make it a general knowledge that Alagoa and Ijaw nationalists from Bayelsa distorted Bonny and Opobo history.
Atleast you now know that such distortion exists, likewise anyone else that would stumble into this thread in the future.
We used this thread for brainstorming.
We will soon spread the message using all available social media platforms.
Until it reaches all and sundry.
Our aim is basically to stimulate a discussion on the the topic, to force the topic into limelight.

Me and you can't be here on nairaland identifying local folks of Igboid Enugu, Aba, Onitsha, or Ijoid Bonny, Opobo, Okirika or kalabari.



Trust me, the people don't know anything.
None of them have read any of the historical materials on Bonny and Opobo that we shared here.
All they always had was Alagoa fraudulent distortions being repackaged and shoved down their throats yearly by IYC and INC.

Don't not mind them bro.

Imagine someone coming to tell Oyo people they are fulani. I am sure most Oyo people will not even answer them.

The only reason ijaw people are concerned here is because they know a can of worms is about to be exposed.

Like you have said, the message is simple. To let every true Bonny and Opobo born native make an informed decision from a historical point of view and not from Alagoa's fantasies.

sinteiking:
The bone of contention here is if the majority of people from Opobo and Bonny identify themselves as Ijaw or not.

To get a answer, is to meet directly with the local folks on ground and not just testimonies from some random unverified individuals

You altered their history. You pushed it down their throats that they are descendants of slaves. And now you are ambitiously working to enforce your language on them, making them believe that their mother tongue is an error. How desperate can one be? You guys are just pure evil in your quest to grab more lands for yourself.

Igboid:
sinteiking:



The people speak Igbo as mother tongue. You must think they are dunce if there are not some of them who identify as Igbo.



The locals don't identify as Ijoid.
They identify as Bonny and Opobo,while being members of IYC and INC like the rest of non Ijoid groups in SS riverine terrain. There is a political and ethnic Ijaw in the SS . Ask around if you don't know the difference.




Yes there's a historical distortion and have proven it here. Let me list it for you.

✓Alagoa fraudulently reduced Igbo presence in Bonny to Slaves

✓Early European records proved this to be false as Slaves can't be kings in Bonny, but we know that Early Bonny kings identified themselves to be of Igbo descent

✓Bonny and Opobo people have been repeatedly told that their Igbo language came from Igbo slaves and that keeping it makes them descendants of Igbo Slaves, that the only way they be Indigenes of Bonnyland is if they throw away their Igbo language

✓ To this end, there have been aggressive campaign anchored by the fraudulent historian himself Alagoa, since 1990s to make Opobo and Bonny people drop their Igbo language and culture for Kalabari language they dubiously termed "Ibani" language.

These are not claims, these are all verified facts!





Every clan in the Igbo ethnic group speak an Igboid language that is mutually intelligble to each other.
In Ijaw, Epie-Attisa, Udekeme Engenni speak an Edoid language that is closely related to Isoko language.
The Ogbia, Abureni, Andoni, Abua, Odual, Obulom (Abuloma people) all speak an Ibibiod language.
None of these languages are in any way related to Ijaw language.
If that's not a franchise, I don't know what else it is. How can people who speak unrelated full fledged languages, with each language having it's own sub dialects be a member of same ethnicity? Does it make sense to you?



These people never identified themselves as Ijaws before the war.
We can't decide for them who they want to be, but we want them to make that decision with all the available facts and information being made available to them, so that they can make an INFORMED decision.
Because right now, every Opobo and Bonny person that have been embracing Ijaw language that I met, were doing so believing that his ancestors were Ijaws and that they switched to Igbo Language because of Igbo Slaves.
That's the narrative Alagoa and the British post civil war propaganda sold.




There is a historical distortion, and the aim here is to make it a general knowledge that Alagoa and Ijaw nationalists from Bayelsa distorted Bonny and Opobo history.
Atleast you now know that such distortion exists, likewise anyone else that would stumble into this thread in the future.
We used this thread for brainstorming.
We will soon spread the message using all available social media platforms.
Until it reaches all and sundry.
Our aim is basically to stimulate a discussion on the the topic, to force the topic into limelight and expose the likes of Alagoa or force him into a public debate.





Trust me, the people don't know anything.
None of them have read any of the historical materials on Bonny and Opobo that we shared here.
All they always had was Alagoa fraudulent distortions being repackaged and shoved down their throats yearly by IYC and INC.
We are providing them with full information that Alagoa denied them, and then allow them make an informed decision on their identity and decision to throw away the Igbo language heritage their Igbo ancestors who were also Aboriginal settlers and kings of Bonny bequeathed them.
That's the least we can do. We owe it to the Igbo Aboriginals and kings in Bonny, that their presence in the land be not reduced to the lowly status of slaves by Ijaw expansionists from Bayelsa led by Alagoa.

With all these gibberish,you've indirectly insulted the intelligence of the Opobo and Bonny people.That they could be easily brainwashed into accepting who they are not?

Pray tell,how were they made to believe they are Ijaws by Alagoa.Oh....he wrote the book and distributed to everyone in Bonny and Opobo;or they were all assembled to the market square and instructed to identify as Ijaws.

I wonder how you reason sometimes.

Do you know you are insulting these people?

izac82:
I love these your points, but don't you guys have a private groups where you can table this points?
You don't have to inform your enemy that you are coming, and from which angle you are coming from.
Strategy and tact is crucial here.

The Ijaws know we are coming, that's why they started making moves on Ndoki recently, because Ndoki is the homeland of the early Bonny founders.
If Ndoki remains Igbo, then they lose any historical debate on Bonny.
It's their move on Ndoki that triggered the likes of myself.
Trust me, the strategy is to be in their faces.

We are not revealing everything here.

sinteiking:
Is it possible to land grab people's ethnicity?

Ask yourself that question. Does Ndoki in any way speak anything related to Ijaw? They are not even bilingual, but you are claiming them, knowing fully well that Ndoki is the root of Opobo and Bonny in extension. Like I said, you may end up triggering a never ending conflict if you don't remove your hands from what is not yours. We know how old Rivers state was bedeviled with crises, until Bayelsa state was created. Make una rest, una no wan gree.

Igboid:
sinteiking:



The people speak Igbo as mother tongue. You must think they are dunce if there are not some of them who identify as Igbo.

How can you prove the people speaks Igbo as a mother language when you have not been there to get a first hand knowledge, I have been to Opobo and Bonny and I can confidently say they speak Ibani Ijaw as a mother tongue and broken Igbo as a borrowed language



The locals don't identify as Ijoid.
They identify as Bonny and Opobo,while being members of IYC and INC like the rest of non Ijoid groups in SS riverine terrain. There is a political and ethnic Ijaw in the SS . Ask around if you don't know the difference.






Yes there's a historical distortion and have proven it here. Let me list it for you.

✓Alagoa fraudulent reduced Igbo presence in Bonny to Slaves

✓Early European records proved this to be false as Slaves can't be kings in Bonny, but we know that Early Bonny kings identified themselves to be of Igbo descent

✓Bonny and Opobo people have been repeatedly told that their Igbo language came from Igbo slaves and that keeping it makes them descendants of Igbo Slaves, that the only way they be Indigenes of Bonnyland is if they throw away their Igbo language

✓ To this end, there have been aggressive campaign anchored by the fraudulent historian himself Alagoa since 1990s to make Opobo and Bonny people drop their Igbo language and culture for Kalabari language they dubiously termed "Ibani" language.

These are not claims, these are all verified facts!

What you represent as a fact is not the universal acceptable fact concerning this matter.





Every clan in the Igbo ethnic group speak an Igboid language that is mutually intelligble to each other.
In Ijaw, Epie-Attisa, Udekeme Engenni speak an Edoid language that is closely related to Isoko language.


The Ogbia, Abureni, Andoni, Abua, Odual, Obulom (Abuloma people) all speak an Ibibiod language.

None of these languages are in any way related to Ijaw language.
If that's not a franchise, I don't know what else it is. How can people who speak unrelated full fledged languages, with each language having it's own sub dialects be a member of same ethnicity? Does it make sense to you?



These people never identified themselves as Ijaws before the war.
We can't decide for them who they want to be, but we want them to make that decision with all the available facts and information being made available to them, so that they can make an INFORMED decision.
Because right now, every Opobo and Bonny person that have been embracing Ijaw language that I met, were doing so believing that his ancestors were Ijaws and that they switched to Igbo Language because of Igbo Slaves.
That's the narrative Alagoa and the British post civil war propaganda sold.




There is a distortion, and the aim here is to make it a general knowledge that Alagoa and Ijaw nationalists from Bayelsa distorted Bonny and Opobo history.
Atleast you now know that such distortion exists, likewise anyone else that would stumble into this thread in the future.
We used this thread for brainstorming.
We will soon spread the message using all available social media platforms.
Until it reaches all and sundry.
Our aim is basically to stimulate a discussion on the the topic, to force the topic into limelight.

Me and you can't be here on nairaland identifying local folks of Igboid Enugu, Aba, Onitsha, or Ijoid Bonny, Opobo, Okirika or kalabari.



Trust me, the people don't know anything.
None of them have read any of the historical materials on Bonny and Opobo that we shared here.
All they always had was Alagoa fraudulent distortions being repackaged and shoved down their throats yearly by IYC and INC.

All this things you are saying don't make sense to me if you have not been on ground and see for yourself what ethnicity the local folks identify themselves with.

I will take you serious when you go this places and formally investigate.

The locals associating with Ijoid association as already rubbish your claim of them not identifying with Ijaw, as one can't join an association without first identifying with such association.
Can someone join Ohaneze or other sub Igbo association without identifying as Igbo first?

All your assertion and theory are just academic excercise if you don't back it up with a field trip to determine the realities on ground

9Pluto:
Don't not mind them bro.

Imagine someone coming to tell Oyo people they are fulani. I am sure most Oyo people will not even answer them.

The only reason ijaw people are concerned here is because they know a can of worms is about to be exposed.

Like you have said, the message is simple. To let every true Bonny and Opobo born native make an informed decision from a historical point of view and not from Alagoa's fantasies.

that dude is an ijaw guy.

izac82:
Ask yourself that question. Does Ndoki in any way speak anything related to Ijaw? They are not even bilingual, but you are claiming them, knowing fully well that Ndoki is the root of Opobo and Bonny in extension. Like I said, you may end up triggering a never ending conflict if you don't remove your hands from what is not yours. We know how old Rivers state was bedeviled with crises, until Bayelsa state was created. Make una rest, una no wan gree.

Have you been to Opobo or Bonny?

JANK23H:
With all these gibberish,you've indirectly insulted the intelligence of the Opobo and Bonny people.That they could be easily brainwashed into accepting who they are not?

Pray tell,how were they made to believe they are Ijaws by Alagoa.Oh....he wrote the book and distributed to everyone in Bonny and Opobo;or they were all assembled to the market square and instructed to identify as Ijaws.

I wonder how you reason sometimes.

Do you know you are insulting these people?

When you go on and tell them that their ancestors who were Igbo kings and founders of Bonny were actually Igbo slaves who bequeathed them the Igbo language.

When you tell them that they become decendants of slaves for being who they are and speaking the language of their ancestors.

When you keep forcing a dead Kalabari irritating language on them, and frown whenever they exhibit their Igbo true selves.

Is that not an insult on them?

Yes! A people can be serially brainwashed by withholding vital information from them or distorting them to serve a selfish purpose.

Imagine the psychological trauma you Bayelsans have put those people through with your deliberate tampering and disfigurement of their history.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Especially the old man Alagoa.
Very despicable behavior.

You want them to be who they are not by deliberate manipulation of history. We want them to remain who they are, who they have always been, who their ancestors were, by showing them their true history.

Let posterity be the judge between us and you who wants the best for them.

emperorshaokahn:
that dude is an ijaw guy.

He is a Bayelsa guy.
Most of them here are Bayelsans.
Go to every Opobo and Bonny group and see them crawling everywhere there.

We basically had to sanitize Ndoki groups from their infiltrations.
These people are formidable, hardened and well financed for their expansionist schemes by INC and IYC.

Igboid:
He is a Bayelsa guy.
Most of them here are Bayelsans.
Go to every Opobo and Bonny group and see them crawling everywhere there.

We basically had to sanitize Ndoki groups from their infiltrations.
These people are formidable, hardened and well financed for their expansionist schemes by INC and IYC.

i know them,i just finished schooling one in one opobo group like that,even the opobians are becoming tired of them.

Igboid:
He is a Bayelsa guy.
Most of them here are Bayelsans.
Go to every Opobo and Bonny group and see them crawling everywhere there.

We basically had to sanitize Ndoki groups from their infiltrations.
These people are formidable, hardened and well financed for their expansionist schemes by INC and IYC.

Are you trying to tell me that Opobians and Bonny people are so foolish that they can't come out openly and declare themselves Igbos?

sinteiking:
All this things you are saying don't make sense to me if you have not been on ground and see for yourself what ethnicity the local folks identify themselves with.

I will take you serious when you go this places and formally investigate.

The locals associating with Ijoid association as already rubbish your claim of them not identifying with Ijaw, as one can't join an association without first identifying with such association.
Can someone join Ohaneze or other sub Igbo association without identifying as Igbo first?

All your assertion and theory are just academic excercise if you don't back it up with a field trip to determine the realities on ground

Ohanaeze Ndiigbo is not a franchise like Ijaw.
The criteria to join Ohanaeze Ndiigbo is that the group has to be speaking Igbo language or related dialect as a mother tongue.

The criteria to join INC and IYC is just to have 100 people from that community come and scream Asawana at Yenegoa, be sure to have crude oil, be riverine, and you are stamped Ijaw!

Ijaw is not an ethnic group.
It's a political franchise!
Never compare it to Ohanaeze Ndiigbo.

SlayerForever:
Of course the person will have to prove to me they are who they claim to be.

Use twitter.

emperorshaokahn:
i know them,i just finished schooling one in one opobo group like that,even the opobians are becoming tired of them.

Perhaps you can send us a link so we can confirm how you finish them and the Opobians applauding you

sinteiking:
Are you trying to tell me that Opobians and Bonny people are so foolish that they can't come out openly and declare themselves Igbos?

To be Igbo in post civil war NIGERIA is not easy.
It comes with Political disfranchisement.

Even obviously Igbo speaking groups like Etche, Ekpeye, Ikwerre, Ogba, and Ndoni will not come out to shout that they are Igbo, but you expect Bonny and Opobo to do so?

We don't want them to shout they are Igbo, we want them to retain the Igbo language their Bonny Igbo ancestors bequeathed them, we want them to remain Bonny and Opobo ethnic nationality for now.

We have no problem with them being part of IYC and INC, because we understand that both organizations are just Political Franchise that anyone can join.

What we don't want is them throwing away who they are by adopting an alien Kalabari language, without having full information on how their Igbo Bonny kings and ancestors tried hard to bequeath them that language as legacy and the error they would have committed by not preserving it by falling preys to manipulations from Bayelsans.

sinteiking:
Perhaps you can send us a link so we can confirm how you finish them and the Opobians applauding you

,clown,go to proudlyopobo,and confirm for yourself.a question was raised by an opobian on their ethnicity,and much to the dismay of you bayelsians,a lot of them said they are igbos.

Igboid:
When you go on and tell them that their ancestors who were Igbo kings and founders of Bonny were actually Igbo slaves who bequeathed them the Igbo language.

When you tell them that they become decendants of slaves for being who they are and speaking the language of their ancestors.

When you keep forcing a dead Kalabari irritating language on them, and frown whenever they exhibit their Igbo true selves.

Is that not an insult on them?

Yes! A people can be serially brainwashed by withholding vital information from them or distorting them to serve a selfish purpose.

Imagine the psychological trauma you Bayelsans have put those people through with your deliberate tampering and disfigurement of their history.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Especially the old man Alagoa.
Very despicable behavior.

You want them to be who they are not by deliberate manipulation of history. We want them to remain who they are, who they have always been, who their ancestors were, by showing them their true history.

Let posterity be the judge between us and you who wants the best for them.

You're beginning to sound like a child.You still haven't given a clear manner how the brainwashing started.When and how the Ijaws conquered the supposed Igbo indigenes and indoctrinated them.

If that is the case,then these Ijaws must be great men.Only a great/powerful man can subdue his fellow man.

emperorshaokahn:
,clown,go to proudlyopobo,and confirm for yourself.a question was raised by an opobian on their ethnicity,and much to the dismay of you bayelsians,a lot of them said they are igbos.

Share the link please

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Captain8:
good talks... benawei, you made a good suggestion....

I got that your name.... I shall make thread of it where after we renamed all our slaves....

We gave them jubo jubogha..
We gave them biafra...
Now you gave one a name....

I here by gave slayerforever (omoni tobo) meaning slave child.....

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My name is Amatabo. You are my omoniowi.