hupernikao:


How do I analyze Bible with you when you don't actually know how to read properly. You will only be arguing. This is what need to be corrected first.

You are seeing plain text like vision, and your interpretation is like one who is watching movies and retelling the scene.

So, let's start from that, that's when we can move to a proper point of examining the scripture. Hope you are ready to learn.

Hey Chief, I am asking this from an 'interested spectator of this exchange' viewpoint, no declared skin in this particular fight.

- If the Bible is the key to everlasting salvation, why do you need a special ability to read properly to analyze it? Y'know, to avoid taking the stories at face value?

- Does having this ability imagine some level of education/critical reasoning?

- How is such ability distributed among the general populace, so everyone has a chance at this everlasting salvation?

Again, I come in peace.

jabolo:



Hey Chief, I am asking this from an 'interested spectator of this exchange' viewpoint, no declared skin in this particular fight.

- If the Bible is the key to everlasting salvation, why do you need a special ability to read properly to analyze it? Y'know, to avoid taking the stories at face value?

- Does having this ability imagine some level of education/critical reasoning?

- How is such ability distributed among the general populace, so everyone has a chance at this everlasting salvation?

Again, I come in peace.

I want you to reread the bold above and understand the meaning yourself.

This is the major issued around Bible reading.

Take this and take it well.

When you read the bible, you must not loose your literacy sense. You mustn't be imagining. You must ensure all your interpretation obey the rules of literature. The reason being, the moment it is a written document to people, the writer won't import unknown language or words not known but use the prevalent language in their time. This is the only way the audience can understand him. This languages are govern by rules. Hence the writing must agree to it.


Hiding under Bible is "God's word" to now read it badly is not a good excuse. God inspired it doesn't mean God imported his own language to communicate. God's language of communicating to man is man's languages. You don't give inspiration in Igbo to someone who only understand Yoruba. The Bible inspiration was received in the authors language and documented as same.


So, do you need special knowledge?

No,but if you hold an English Bible in your hand you can't be interpreting it as a yoruba man. You must read and interpret it with the knowledge of the language you read.

For example.

When you are hungry you will say
In English: I am hungry

But saying that exactly in yoruba will be an error.

In yoruba it simply mean: Èmi ní Ebí (like I am hungry personified)

Same thing happens vis versa.

In yoruba: Ebí npamí
English: Hunger is killing me.

I am sure you know non of these make sense in the other language. So basic understanding of the language and its lexicon is key.


This knowledge isn't special but available as much as English education is available. So the issue here is that the one I am correcting doesn't know how to read English well. That's the education. His problem is not Bible problem but English language.

hupernikao:


E Pèlé Sir.

Is this how you read in the exam?
How many snakes have you spoken to lately Sir. Maybe you can try one today and give feedback here.

You will better do well to unlearn all those falsehood in your mind. Your disposition today seems to be based on wrong and false information. And you are proud in such heritage.

Even with all advancement of knowledge, I still wonder that a millennia will read such stories and still interpret it as a snake talking. What exactly do most learn in their secondary school age.

Bro, please go and pick a class in literature and reading comprehension.

Did a snake/serpent convince Eve to eat the forbidden fruit or was it a man/spirit/angel?

Did the sun stop setting so that Joshua can finish his conquest?

Did Moses part the red sea by stretchig his rod or not?

Did Moses' rod turn into a snake or not? then what did the guys who attacked a man for turning kids to yam done wrong?

hupernikao:


Is this how you read your books Sir? When you read animal farm (if you have read it before), was this how you understood it? How will you feel if someone write here that "how can George Orwell says, animal is talking?"

Most times we lose our basic knowledge of reading when it is the Bible yet we blame its believer for such fault too. Aren't you doing the same now. Reading a literature like someone watching movies?

So, Bro go back and reread well or take classes to be taught well before engaging in criticism. That's how things are done.

I don't think any religion has been formed on the basis of the literal truth of Animal farm.

Neither is your well-being dependent on the belief that George Orwell wrote true accounts of events in Animal Farm.
No true story should be shy of scrutiny and close examination, and attempt to damn anyone seeking for the truth of it's assertions.

Ovamboland:


I don't think any religion has been formed on the basis of the literal truth of Animal farm.

Neither is your well-being dependent on the belief that George Orwell wrote true accounts of events in Animal Farm.
No true story should be shy of scrutiny and close examination, and attempt to damn anyone seeking for the truth of it's assertions.

It's either you don't understand the poser I raised or your response is not for me.

Whatever the case. The point is, you don't scrutinize a text based on false interpretation or lack of understanding of the text. That is the basics. You can't criticize or scrutinize what you don't even understand how to read properly. This is the point here that need to be addressed.

Ovamboland:



Did a snake/serpent convince Eve to eat the forbidden fruit or was it a man/spirit/angel?

Did the sun stop setting so that Joshua can finish his conquest?

Did Moses part the red sea by stretchig his rod or not?

Did Moses' rod turn into a snake or not? then what did the guys who attacked a man for turning kids to yam done wrong?

Bro, like I said your issue is not bible understanding. Your issue is reading well, reading what is written. You don't have a good understanding of literature and history. It's obvious in all your write up there.

We will only be arguing of I start to explain the scriptures to you since you can't even get how books are to be read well. So let's start with that first. I am sure all your questions will be answered before we finish the class in literacy explanation.

hupernikao:



Bro, like I said your issue is not bible understanding. Your issue is reading well, reading what is written. You don't have a good understanding of literature and history. It's obvious in all your write up there.

We will only be arguing of I start to explain the scriptures to you since you can't even get how books are to be read well. So let's start with that first. I am sure all your questions will be answered before we finish the class in literacy explanation.

Joker of the century

gsegun43:




Joker of the century

Okay Sir.

hupernikao:



Bro, like I said your issue is not bible understanding. Your issue is reading well, reading what is written. You don't have a good understanding of literature and history. It's obvious in all your write up there.

We will only be arguing of I start to explain the scriptures to you since you can't even get how books are to be read well. So let's start with that first. I am sure all your questions will be answered before we finish the class in literacy explanation.

Keep dribbling, reading books is now a soccer game.

Did snake talk to Eve or not? Should we take it as a work of fiction like George Orwell's animal form or real events that took place on this earth?
All your gymnastics betray underlying dishonesty.

Ovamboland:


Keep dribbling, reading books is now a soccer game.

Did snake talk to Eve or not? Should we take it as a work of fiction like George Orwell's animal form or real events that took place on this earth?
All your gymnastics betray underlying dishonesty.

Just ensure you read me well here at least. That will help your thought.

Moses writing that is over 3000 years old shouldn't be hard for you to understand if you are ready to learn.

The ancient world understood clearly what he was teaching. It's sad that millennia even in their advancement of knowledge can't understand literacy.


When you were young and was told stories of how tortoise broke his shell through his greed by trying to climb into heaven. He fell and broke his shell. His friends helped him to gum the shell together hence the reason his shell is like that today.

I am sure you believed it that time at tender age, but when you grew, you know better that the story was not to be a literal action but communicating a wisdom for living and wisdom to understand how things are in humanity. The truth you know from it doesn't therefore invalidate the story but give a perspective of teaching and learning.


Now, anyone who have grown up in knowledge won't read serpent talking in Genesis and get confused. Ancient world used stories, figures to explain wisdom to their audience. Enter a village and sit with the elders, listen to how they communicate wisdom to you.

They use stories, adages, figures yet you don't have issues with that as you understand clearly what it means. Why then do we throw away our education and proper reasoning when reading the bible?

If you have been taught well and have read the whole Bible, you will know that Moses as a prophet of God and advanced in knowledge was communicating wisdom but not teaching stories. He wasn't teaching kindergartens, so I want you to set your mind rolling beyond tales by moon light of nursery class and start reading well.

So, you shouldn't be arguing,
what you should ask is

What was Moses communicating?

Very educating. Enjoy everybody contributions.

hupernikao:


Just ensure you read me well here at least. That will help your thought.

Moses writing that is over 3000 years old shouldn't be hard for you to understand if you are ready to learn.

The ancient world understood clearly what he was teaching. It's sad that millennia even in their advancement of knowledge can't understand literacy.


When you were young and was told stories of how tortoise broke his shell through his greed by trying to climb into heaven. He fell and broke his shell. His friends helped him to gum the shell together hence the reason his shell is like that today.

I am sure you believed it that time at tender age, but when you grew, you know better that the story was not to be a literal action but communicating a wisdom for living and wisdom to understand how things are in humanity. The truth you know from it doesn't therefore invalidate the story but give a perspective of teaching and learning.


Now, anyone who have grown up in knowledge won't read serpent talking in Genesis and get confused. Ancient world used stories, figures to explain wisdom to their audience. Enter a village and sit with the elders, listen to how they communicate wisdom to you.

They use stories, adages, figures yet you don't have issues with that as you understand clearly what it means. Why then do we throw away our education and proper reasoning when reading the bible?

If you have been taught well and have read the whole Bible, you will know that Moses as a prophet of God and advanced in knowledge was communicating wisdom but not teaching stories. He wasn't teaching kindergartens, so I want you to set your mind rolling beyond tales by moon light of nursery class and start reading well.

So, you shouldn't be arguing,
what you should ask is

What was Moses communicating?

Now that we are older and no longer gather under the tree to listen to tales by moonlight, we now realised those tales are fiction and mere illustrations to teach moral values.

Now are you saying those supernatural tales of animals talking to humans, creation stories etc in the bible are fiction not real events?

hupernikao:


Okay Sir.

Alright

Ovamboland:

Now are you saying those supernatural tales of animals talking to humans, creation stories etc in the bible are fiction not real events?

@hupernikao... please answer this direct question if you can.

Yes or No would do.

Thanks.

We come in peace.

Now are you saying those supernatural tales of animals talking to humans, creation stories etc in the bible are fiction not real events?

jabolo:


@hupernikao... please answer this direct question if you can.

Yes or No would do.

Thanks.

We come in peace.

Okay, let me give you a good YES OR NO

See it below

Stories can be
Fictional
Literal
Figurative.

Bible stories has more of the last two.

It's left for a good reader to pay attention well to know where a story is literal or figurative.

Likewise to be smart enough to know the prevalence knowledge, science and culture of their time.

For example,
Even though Bible contains creation stories, but the writer wasn't writing creation stories for you. You must read well.

Please read the above again and we'll.


Moses wasn't the founder of knowledge for humanity, not the first to speak about creation. Stories existed before him. Hence, if his focus is about creation stories, then he wasn't communicating anything new to his audience. This is where the key to learning his writing his.


Moses was a prophet not a scientist or astronomer or creationist. He was a prophet. One who reveals God's plan in humanity. Even though he can use existing information and stories around him to explain God's plan, he wasn't teaching the creation but God's word and will.


Hence you must read his writing as such.

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The moment you start reading the Bible as a creation book, you have started having zeros from the beginning. The Bible is God's plan for humanity, plan fo salvation. It's not a book for accepting or refuting science or creation or flood etc. It is a book that must be read for what it is. God's plan. Read that again also.


Lastly and more importantly, pay attention to what I want to say bow and keep it somewhere if you aren't a Bible student.


Do you observe that no one in the new testament who read Moses spoke about the creation or snake but about God's plan. Bear in mind that all they taught and wrote in NT were taken from studying the OT. Yet their interpretation was never about creation but God's plan.


Paul read Gen 1:3 he called it the light of the glorious gospel (2 Cor 4:3-6),

John read the same called it the light of man, John 1:4,9.


So we should ask ourselves what exact we are reading, if the early reader saw only God's plan in their studies not creation or science.

Hope you have the YES OR NO from the explanation.

Ovamboland:


Now that we are older and no longer gather under the tree to listen to tales by moonlight, we now realised those tales are fiction and mere illustrations to teach moral values.

Now are you saying those supernatural tales of animals talking to humans, creation stories etc in the bible are fiction not real events?

You are left as a good reader to know how to read books you hold so as to decipher what the author is communicating.

Stories can be
Fictional
Literal
Figurative.

Bible stories has more of the last two.

It's left for a good reader to pay attention well to know where a story is literal or figurative.

Likewise to be smart enough to know the prevalence knowledge, science and culture of their time.

For example,
Even though Bible contains creation stories, but the writer wasn't writing creation stories for you. You must read well.

Please read the above again and we'll.


Moses wasn't the founder of knowledge for humanity, not the first to speak about creation. Stories existed before him. Hence, if his focus is about creation stories, then he wasn't communicating anything new to his audience. This is where the key to learning his writing his.


Moses was a prophet not a scientist or astronomer or creationist. He was a prophet. One who reveals God's plan in humanity. Even though he can use existing information and stories around him to explain God's plan, he wasn't teaching the creation but God's word and will.


Hence you must read his writing as such.


The moment you start reading the Bible as a creation book, you have started having zeros from the beginning. The Bible is God's plan for humanity, plan fo salvation. It's not a book for accepting or refuting science or creation or flood etc. It is a book that must be read for what it is. God's plan. Read that again also.


Lastly and more importantly, pay attention to what I want to say bow and keep it somewhere if you aren't a Bible student.


Do you observe that no one in the new testament who read Moses spoke about the creation or snake but about God's plan. Bear in mind that all they taught and wrote in NT were taken from studying the OT. Yet their interpretation was never about creation but God's plan.


Paul read Gen 1:3 he called it the light of the glorious gospel (2 Cor 4:3-6),

John read the same called it the light of man, John 1:4,9.


So we should ask ourselves what exact we are reading, if the early reader saw only God's plan in their studies not creation or science.

kingxsamz:


No one said lack of belief stops you from making irrational decisions. The OP is only pointing out the hypocrisy in those who uphold these beliefs. You can't be against genocide but support the one in your bible.

Don't change what Op said. He was out to insult, rather than pointing anything. Come to think of it, there are agnostic and atheist among the group of people he was insulting