Mkenya2019:
Tanzania Ujamaa Policy versus Kenya cooperative - both were socialism - Tanzania had bad outcomes - Kenya cooperative movement is still a roaring success.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9JKZWgGB5I

Kazikazi:
Who is starving in 2021 between Kenya and TZ?
Who is receiving food aid between Kenya and TZ in 2021?
Hohohohohohohoho Hohohohohohohoho Hohohohohohohoho

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
instead of fighting me there a lot of people which need your help like Sunday which is in Benin Republic he needs help. Radha heard that you are attacking me

Kazikazi:
Are u seeing it for the first time?
When we united with Zanzibar,not everything was included in the union gov,sport is one of them.So each side can do in their own way.So Zanzibar chose to compete separately.CAF agreed on that,but FIFA denied them to compete in world cup competitions.
Zanzibar have been in CAF competitions for a very long time.
We have somehow a very strange union.

Mkenya2019:
Tanzania Ujamaa Policy versus Kenya cooperative - both were socialism - Tanzania had bad outcomes - Kenya cooperative movement is still a roaring success.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9JKZWgGB5I

Mzal3ndo:

You can't say that Ujamaa was the only reason that Tanzania is where she is. Tanzania being were she is, is a multivariable equation with some of the factors that led to this is was the war with Uganda (Tanzania allocated all her resources to the war), the famine of 1975 the nation just came from a war and was unprepared for such a phenomenon (90% of Tanzania economy was dependent on agriculture) and also communism which didn't facilitate individual creativity and free market.

Mkenya2019:
Lame excuse - war ended in 70s - famine in 75 - dude kenya has drought almost every 2-3yrs. The problem is ingrained communism ideals that still persist to date.

Just30:
it's almost 2022 and you are still making this excuse for why Kenya goes hungry every year?

Mkenya2019:
Who is making excuse? Kenya despite being 89 percent semi arid and arid with persistent drought as it battle sahara desertification; without any minerals; is doing great; our gdp is now clipping Morocco - and soon will be Africa 5th best - and is already Sub Sahara 3rd best. In any ranking out there...it now South Africa, Nigeria and Kenya at the top of Sub Sahara.

Kenya is doing incredibly well. When it come to drought and related....we have one Africa largest social safety nets...sending money to drought victims...orpahs and disable...so much Tanzania disabled people have invaded Kenya.

Obviously you think Kenya can defeat drought and huge natural forces of behind it - that is just naivety. Kenya best bet is to transition from agrarian economy into modern non-agri economy.

Mkenya2019:
As for Ghana - despite all minerals - and all the arable land - you're like Uganda level. Kenya is africa largest non mineral economy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Km0bkYY1Ug

Just30:
89% arid does not mean anything in this age of Agriculture modernisation...


Anyway, drink Beer so you can think properly

Just30:
There you go again with your useless comparison...


The Ghanaian economy still remains bigger than Yours..
Secondly, the Ghanaian economy is a service driven one.


Lastly don't ever compare your country Agriculture output to Ghana. Ghana Agriculture export alone is bigger than your country entire export.

And Ghana heavily feeds itself even though the Agriculture lands of your country is far bigger than that of Ghana.

Mkenya2019:
No. DRC is hell hole outside Kinshasa. Tanzania is peaceful but just under developed. The country doesn't even have rumour of any war. It's arguably one of most peaceful countries in Africa.

Why is it so poor. It's deep communism roots will take some years to undo. Unlike most countries that implemented half hearted communist - Nyerere had a scorched earth communism policy - that basically uprooted people from their homes and land - into villages (Ujamaa) - took away their land rights and then compounded with education policy that is crazy.

Tanzania kids spend all their primary studying in Kiswahil. Then suddenly in high school - the language of instruction - changes to English. So you have a failed education system where average high school graduate cannot construct a sentence in English and are functionally illiterates. In normal country like even Ethiopia or Sudan - country would stick to Kiswahili or Arabic to the very end - but that sudden switch has kids totally confused and the educational outcome is very bad.

As much as the country is blessed with incredible natural resources - it's weak property rights - forex controls - and poor education - means foreign investment outside minerals is very minimal.

So just imagine a vast country with Dar in the coast - then huge wilderness - with villagers grouped in Ujamaa settlements - just growing maize and beans - endless maize and beans fields - with very little in infrastructure (roads) - at least electricity is catching up.

Nigeria at least has Oil - chaos - and decent education. Tanzania just has maize and beans - and illiterate people.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:


Ok let's put it in this order light which one is a more progressive country Tanzania or Nigeria? From what I saw Tanzania is more economically stable than Nigeria

Mkenya2019:
Of course that is why you cannot compare our agriculture with many in Africa. Ghana traditional hoe-powered agricluture is like 100 yrs behind kenya.

Ask this budding Ghanian farmer - just how far ahead we are in farming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqxZlsDrCIo

Mkenya2019:
That video had nothing to do with agricluture...it was comparing Accra and Nairobi. I rather listen to a real Ghanian farmer. Kenya economy is 110B compared to 75B in Ghana - with all gold, oil, aluminimu and name it.

It's funny when little Ghana who only do Cocoa farming think they do agricluture.

Start with Dairy - Africa largest - Kenya - highest milk consumption - Kenya.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqxZlsDrCIo

Just30:
waa look at this


I've never seen hoe powered agriculture doing more export Kenya so called mechanize Agriculture.. Isnt that ironic ?


You keep making noise everywhere meanwhile your basic agriculture is struggling to even feed your country...

If not for SA and Tanzania agriculture, your country will be starving more than it currently is.

Just30:
waa look at this


I've never seen hoe powered agriculture doing more export Kenya so called mechanize Agriculture.. Isnt that ironic ?


You keep making noise everywhere meanwhile your basic agriculture is struggling to even feed your country...

If not for SA and Tanzania agriculture, your country will be starving more than it currently is.

Just30:


Even our fruit and vegetables export alone is almost worth your country entire export...
Shut up and lose the unnecessary lust of comparing Kenya with Ghana.

gallivant:


Isn't that just noise to stroke your ego?

Mkenya2019:
We dont waste our precious little land growing maize and beans - our farmers are transitioning into high intensive high value crops - and we are leaving useless crops to Tanzania and Uganda.

Just30:
There you go again with your useless comparison...


The Ghanaian economy still remains bigger than Yours..
Secondly, the Ghanaian economy is a service driven one.


Lastly don't ever compare your country Agriculture output to Ghana. Ghana Agriculture export alone is bigger than your country entire export.

gallivant:


Stop your noise, Kenya of today is Ghana's future.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:


My friend all of these things which you are saying is just debt nothing else. Some of my people can definitely get gas pipeline Benin Republic Togo Republic and Ghana is non-operational. Open the gas and oil pipelines from South South to South West are all vandalized are not operational. Nigeria imports liquid natural gas what are you going to export tell me something which you are importing. We cannot really talk about China here because China's investments debt trips

gallivant:


Story for the gods. You will do yourself a big favour by admitting yourself at the nearest mental health facility.

Just30:
which one is?

They are all facts


South African fruits export is what helps feed your country else you will have to rely on food aids..

TZ and UG food food export keeps your country from a total humanitarian disaster..


Meanwhile you guys have used all your agriculture lands to grow tea that you don't need.

Just30:
useless tantrums meanwhile Kenya is stuck in Ghana's past