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kabe1:
The rust on some US Navy Destroyers on deployment is something else.

I'll raise your destroyer for my USS Fort McHenry from last year, leaving its dockyard in Germany

shadowprimezero:
I'll raise your destroyer for my USS Fort McHenry from last year, leaving its dockyard in Germany

Damn!!!

So where are all the 700 billion dollars going to?

Nigerian Navy Eastern Naval Command conducts large scale end of year exercise.

10 ships, 2 x Navy Helicopters and 1 SBS detachment participated in this exercise.

NNS Okpabana, NNS Thunder, NNS Kayama all participated in the exercise.

Exercise Quiet Waters

The Nigerian Navy continues to impress.

The Eastern Naval Command, Nigerian Navy

Nigeria's Chief of Naval Staff actively participated in the exercise.

Pictured here shooting a 9mm pistol with other senior officers.

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CHIEF OF THE NAVAL STAFF ANNUAL SEA INSPECTION, EXERCISE QUIET WATERS 2021

kabe1:
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Still at this range, u may find officers who would miss the bull's eye

kabe1:
CHIEF OF THE NAVAL STAFF ANNUAL SEA INSPECTION, EXERCISE QUIET WATERS 2021

These F90s are the US Hamilton ships, right?.
I never knew it was this big.... Thanks for posting.

GeneralFarouq:
These F90s are the US Hamilton ships, right?.
I never knew it was this big.... Thanks for posting.

The Hamilton class ships are the largest ships the Nigerian Navy has in service, only NNS Aradu which is not in active service is larger.

kabe1:
CHIEF OF THE NAVAL STAFF ANNUAL SEA INSPECTION, EXERCISE QUIET WATERS 2021

Good to see even the Balsam class logistic ships still kicking! NN's maintenance is top notch

Odunayaw:
Good to see even the Balsam class logistic ships still kicking! NN's maintenance is top notch

Those ships are at least 60 years old, the Nigerian Navy has it's maintenance game on lockdown.

I'm really impressed. If you also look at the quality of ships that participated in this exercise, there's no doubt the Nigerian Navy is on the right path.

I just hope we invest in proper Frigates and Corvettes going forward. 2 x Frigates and 2 x Corvettes.

SAAF Super Lynx 300 MK64 on mountain flying training.

Meanwhile, in Mozambique.

kabe1:
The rust on some US Navy Destroyers on deployment is something else.

They're returning from a six month deployment in high salinity waters and you expected something else? Maintenance is done in about less than two months and they're as good as new again.

UPDF(Uganda) Special Forces with an electric driven 3 barrel machine gun

Finally, some confirmation that the Paramount Mwari we all thought had been loaned to Mozambique, was actually purchased.
Hidden amongst the many opaque documents that make up the Moz Budget recently passed by their Parliament, a table that pulls together what the various entities have been paying.

As for Mwari, not clear if $10m is the fly-away price or includes other incrementals.

Postscript1: the table is from a Portuguese to English translation of the various documents by EU funded institutions whose job is to monitor Moz spending, seeing over 60% of Moz budget is funded by donors, mainly external.

Postscript2: Wagner figures not cited as the company doesn't "officially" report to any jurisdiction.

Postscript3: Dyck and Paramount report to the SA NCACC and Moz had no choice but to report and disperse those figures.

Lurker4Long:
Finally, some confirmation that the Paramount Mwari we all thought had been loaned to Mozambique, was actually purchased.
Hidden amongst the many opaque documents that make up the Moz Budget recently passed by their Parliament, a table that pulls together what the various entities have been paying.

As for Mwari, not clear if $10m is the fly-away price or includes other incrementals.

Postscript1: the table is from a Portuguese to English translation of the various documents by EU funded institutions whose job is to monitor Moz spending, seeing over 60% of Moz budget is funded by donors, mainly external.

Postscript2: Wagner figures not cited as the company doesn't "officially" report to any jurisdiction.

Postscript3: Dyck and Paramount report to the SA NCACC and Moz had no choice but to report and disperse those figures.

Kabe1, it would be interesting to find out what the NAF paid for its Paramount Marauders. We know for example, that Singapore paid for less than the $220K/vehicle for their domestically manufactured version, the Belrex. And that's because they bought in larger quantities for a longer contract span (what traders call economies of scale), and also domesticated the manufacture and cost.

Lurker4Long:
Kabe1, it would be interesting to find out what the NAF paid for its Paramount Marauders. We know for example, that Singapore paid for less than the $220K/vehicle for their domestically manufactured version, the Belrex. And that's because they bought in larger quantities for a longer contract span (what traders call economies of scale), and also domesticated the manufacture and cost.

I will check for the information and paste it here.

Unfortunately the Nigerian Air Force only received a very, very small quantity for the Panthers team.

Those vehicles which were previously based at the Air Force Base in Maiduguri have now been been moved to Air Training Command in Niger state, close to Abuja where the Super Tucanos are currently based.

Because of the little number I think NAF Marauders would be more expensive than the Singapore variants.

On the other hand Nautic Africa does alot of business in Nigeria and I know they have a maintenance facility in Onne, South-South Nigeria.

Why is domestic building of Military equipment critical to security and economic prosperity for any Country?

Take for instance NNS Oji, during the building of Seaward Defence Boat 3, the Naval Dockyard Limited, a company owned by the Nigerian Navy's Investment Holding limited, employed 200 people, including local vendors to build and deliver the vessel with no loss time injury from the period of 2019 to December 2021.

This means that for a period of 3 years, 100 Nigerian families, sometimes extended families and friends benefited from the building of SDB 3. On average that's 400 people.

This means that both SDB 4 and 5 have the capacity to Carter for 1,000 individuals during the duration of the project.

Quite impressive.

kabe1:
I will check for the information and paste it here.

Unfortunately the Nigerian Air Force only received a very, very small quantity for the Panthers team.

Those vehicles which were previously based at the Air Force Base in Maiduguri have now been been moved to Air Training Command in Niger state, close to Abuja where the Super Tucanos are currently based.

Because of the little number I think NAF Marauders would be more expensive than the Singapore variants.

Mozambique bought 12 and paid $220K/vehicle. Nigeria's price has to be closer to that. Singapore bought more, negotiated better terms and therefore paid less.
That's why the Kazakh Marauder deal from years ago is dodgy: countries buying less units are paying less, only because Paramount SA sold products to Paramount Bermuda, who then did business in Kazakhstan. They ended up paying over $500K/marauder.
Clear corruption in Khazakstan, and frankly, anybody paying more than $150K/Marauder has a corrupt deal involving both buyer and seller.

kabe1:
On the other hand Nautic Africa does alot of business in Nigeria and I know they have a maintenance facility in Onne, South-South Nigeria.

Nautic/Paramount Marine is actually the cleanest unit of the Paramount lot. Not surprising, globally, there tends to be less skulduggery in the naval sector. That's why the Apartheid regime never tried to set up an sanctions-busting naval unit: could never get away with it, unlike land and air.

Lurker4Long:
Mozambique bought 12 and paid $220K/vehicle. Nigeria's price has to be closer to that. Singapore bought more, negotiated better terms and therefore paid less.
That's why the Kazakh Marauder deal from years ago is dodgy: countries buying less units are paying less, only because Paramount SA sold products to Paramount Bermuda, who then did business in Kazakhstan. They ended up paying over $500K/marauder.
Clear corruption in Khazakstan, and frankly, anybody paying more than $150K/Marauder has a corrupt deal involving both buyer and seller.

I don't think an MRAP should be that expensive. $550k for an MRAP is clearly a rip off.

However I'll like to point out a couple of things you might have missed out. The cost of building the Infrastructure in Kazakhstan, training personnel, payment for moving skilled South-African to the country, which alot of people might not be willing to take is included in that unit cost, especially when compared to Singapore.

These things would impact unit costs unfortunately.

I agree that alot of kickback and corruption is also at play, but we are not comparing apples and apples here. More like apples and pasta.

Also do you really believe kickbacks are not rampant in the Defence industry, that's simply not true. Although we all laughed at France for losing the Australia submarine contract, I don believe that France lost that deal purely on technicalities and American security guarantees alone. I believe Australia has fought alongside the US from World War I till present.

They were in no shape or form going to lose American protection due to French diesel submarines, especially when the French offered Nuclear Subs at the start of the programme.

Also look at the method with which one of the Nordic countries, I think Denmark or Norway chose the F-35.

I'm not excusing Paramount but the cost for new players or old players to enter new markets can be very high.

kabe1:
I don't think an MRAP should be that expensive. $550k for an MRAP is clearly a rip off.

However I'll like to point out a couple of things you might have missed out. The cost of building the Infrastructure in Kazakhstan, training personnel, payment for moving skilled South-African to the country, which alot of people might not be willing to take is included in that unit cost, especially when compared to Singapore.

These things would impact unit costs unfortunately.

I agree that alot of kickback and corruption is also at play, but we are not comparing apples and apples here. More like apples and pasta.

Also do you really believe kickbacks are not rampant in the Defence industry, that's simply not true. Although we all laughed at France for losing the Australia submarine contract, I don believe that France lost that deal purely on technicalities and American security guarantees alone. I believe Australia has fought alongside the US from World War I till present.

They were in no shape or form going to lose American protection due to French diesel submarines, especially when the French offered Nuclear Subs at the start of the programme.

Also look at the method with which one of the Nordic countries, I think Denmark or Norway chose the F-35.

I'm not excusing Paramount but the cost for new players or old players to enter new markets can be very high.

I'm not saying the arms industry is saintly. I'm saying Paramount has been very unsophisticated, and greedily grasping about it all.
Charging almost $1-million, and getting it, for a $150K Marauder means you're going to piss off your competitors, and attract negative publicity for such normal things as what happens during prototype tests.

And that's exactly what happened throughout the Barys program. From the Marauder to the Barys 8x8, these guys just made off like bandits. The losing competitors actually have a case on corruption, not product quality.

Nigerian Presidential Helicopter AW-189 takes off from Aso Rock Villa Helipad enroute Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport, Abuja with the President on board.

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Lurker4Long:
I'm not saying the arms industry is saintly. I'm saying Paramount has been very unsophisticated, and greedily grasping about it all.
Charging almost $1-million, and getting it, for a $150K Marauder means you're going to piss off your competitors, and attract negative publicity for such normal things as what happens during prototype tests.

And that's exactly what happened throughout the Barys program. From the Marauder to the Barys 8x8, these guys just made off like bandits. The losing competitors actually have a case on corruption, not product quality.

I couldn't disagree with this.