Good to see a thread that self-regulates itself. Such database is actually the surest way to mitigate all the alleged fraud that goes on here.

And it should be both ways, both for contractors and clients alike and updated regularly once claims are cleared or substantiated.
That’s a lot of work, so I’m afraid there’s not enough interest to pursue that option.

The next best thing is historical data which already exists in abundance. That’s why I detest those that hurriedly pressurize people to delete post history. I view some as enablers or co-conspirators, especially when fraud is proven.

For the ongoing case, let’s allow both parties argue their corner as they both have something at stake - reputation and/or money.
The good thing is that they both seem to have been prepared for this even from the onset.

MMotimo:
If somehow is the same as the person on this Nland scammers ‘ list with former moniker freshcvvs, then IMO, there’s really nothing more to discuss. There is more than one reference on this site of conduct that is unbecoming. I’m about people that work for their money. If somehow is a scammer, then he deserves what he got. God is not mocked, we reap what we sow!


https://www.nairaland.com/3430558/scam-alert-dont-victim-updates/95#86542980

https://www.nairaland.com/3190496/currency-e-currency-market-deals/2296#55289347

https://www.nairaland.com/3190496/currency-e-currency-market-deals/2300#55295451

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Hmmm.
What are you?
I can smell Jack here.

QSFemi:
We're already in public, so transparency matters.

I remember commending you profusely for the long post in which you outlined 4 ways to resolve this commercial dispute including litigation, mediation, etc.

In the spirit of transparency which you have clearly espoused.

Your professional decisions have been called into question.

Indeed part of the resolution of this debacle seems to hang on how did you arrive at certain figures?

This has led to calls for an independent QS.

I pray and hope you will walk the talk so we see that this transparency which you preach applies to everyone including you.

If it were to apply to some parties except you that would be grounds for a case of discrimination against you and serious award of damages against you.

Please don't give ground for that assumption.

There is a reason why justice requires a disinterested party to listen to both sides of the matter, and to give both side equal representation before passing judgment.

I still hold you in high esteem until evidence points to the opposite.

If this issue were to be before the court, the court would distill it into one issue: What is the quantum of refund due to the client from the vendor?

The vendor does not dispute that he owes the Client

The Client does not dispute that the Vendor owes him

The dispute is about the figure or figures owed?


As far the QS is concerned, and as far as the court is concerned, the issue for determination is this: Would any other QS have arrived at the same figure that the Client's QS arrived at.

This in short is the case of the Vendor, I cannot imagine how by any stretch of imagination and by reviewing any law in the books this makes the Vendor a criminal.

The dispute is centered on the valuation of the QS.


So, QS, please show working, to borrow local parlance.

If any other disinterested QS would have arrived at the same figure, then the Vendor has no case.

If any other disinterested QS would have arrived at a different figure, then the Vendor has a case.

FEGEITOK:


I remember commending you profusely for the long post in which you outlined 4 ways to resolve this commercial dispute including litigation, mediation, etc.

In the spirit of transparency which you have clearly espoused.

Your professional decisions have been called into question.

Indeed part of the resolution of this debacle seems to hang on how did you arrive at certain figures?

This has led to calls for an independent QS.

I pray and hope you will walk the talk so we see that this transparency which you preach applies to everyone including you.

If it were to apply to some parties except you that would be grounds for a case of discrimination against you and serious award of damages against you.

Please don't give ground for that assumption.

There is a reason why justice requires a disinterested party to listen to both sides of the matter, and to give both side equal representation before passing judgment.

I still hold you in high esteem until evidence points to the opposite.

If this issue were to be before the court, the court would distill it into one issue: What is the quantum of refund due to the client from the vendor?

The vendor does not dispute that he owes the Client

The Client does not dispute that the Vendor owes him

The dispute is about the figure or figures owed?


As far the QS is concerned, and as far as the court is concerned, the issue for determination is this: Would any other QS have arrived at the same figure that the Client's QS arrived at.

This in short is the case of the Vendor, I cannot imagine how by any stretch of imagination and by reviewing any law in the books this makes the Vendor a criminal.

The dispute is centered on the valuation of the QS.


So, QS, please show working, to borrow local parlance.

If any other disinterested QS would have arrived at the same figure, then the Vendor has no case.

If any other disinterested QS would have arrived at a different figure, then the Vendor has a case.

The vendor has a case, the 14th case of fraudulent obtaining of funds for a project and ending up diverting the monies for personal use. Without going to court, the vendor has shown himself to be a criminal and by accepting to owe the client even a penny, is guilty as charged.

This vendor might have a mental illness and is only online defrauding ppl to fund his habit.

uncleteeh:

Hmmm.
What are you?
I can smell Jack here.

I'm Bldr. Kareem Abiola. If you care to know me better and also about what I do, you can hit me up on WhatsApp/call

n3xt:


Sure it does. It help put everything in true perspective.


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For those who felt, I’ve not done well enough to allow things to come to the open forum. May I ask “How else would we have been able to come up with more than 4 different reviews if I’ve not been having a close-door discussion with the client and his representatives?”

I’ll upload all the reports, agreements and other correspondences on slideshare for those who want to see the true picture of things.

You have never done well enough in 14 jobs you got, you will still swindle your 15th victim and he will be here crying like a toddler whose biscuit was stolen.

FEGEITOK:


I remember commending you profusely for the long post in which you outlined 4 ways to resolve this commercial dispute including litigation, mediation, etc.

In the spirit of transparency which you have clearly espoused.

Your professional decisions have been called into question.

Indeed part of the resolution of this debacle seems to hang on how did you arrive at certain figures?

This has led to calls for an independent QS.

I pray and hope you will walk the talk so we see that this transparency which you preach applies to everyone including you.

If it were to apply to some parties except you that would be grounds for a case of discrimination against you and serious award of damages against you.

Please don't give ground for that assumption.

There is a reason why justice requires a disinterested party to listen to both sides of the matter, and to give both side equal representation before passing judgment.

I still hold you in high esteem until evidence points to the opposite.

If this issue were to be before the court, the court would distill it into one issue: What is the quantum of refund due to the client from the vendor?

The vendor does not dispute that he owes the Client

The Client does not dispute that the Vendor owes him

The dispute is about the figure or figures owed?


As far the QS is concerned, and as far as the court is concerned, the issue for determination is this: Would any other QS have arrived at the same figure that the Client's QS arrived at.

This in short is the case of the Vendor, I cannot imagine how by any stretch of imagination and by reviewing any law in the books this makes the Vendor a criminal.

The dispute is centered on the valuation of the QS.


So, QS, please show working, to borrow local parlance.

If any other disinterested QS would have arrived at the same figure, then the Vendor has no case.

If any other disinterested QS would have arrived at a different figure, then the Vendor has a case.

I am seconding this submission!

From all I've been reading on this issue, the Contractor has made up his mind not to pay more than he thinks he owes!

The Client has shown flexibility by at least without recommendations from the QS steppng down to N2million!

The QS has the ball in his court to at least explain how he arrived at the 'Final figures'.

Let's even put it this way

I paid 97.5% in advance for a reason

To buy all the needed materials for storage on site to avoid rise in cost.

Questions everyone should ask him is

If he truly bought materials needed and kept on site, why then am I here asking for my refund?

The reason he asked for payment in advance at every stage has been defeated and can be tagged as deceit.

He deceived me into releasing money in advance without buying all materials as expected.

Now I ended up using my own money to buy materials at the current rate to complete the jobs he abandoned for months.

Yet telling the house he's only going to pay at the rate at which the funds were released to him 7 to 9 months ago.

Who does that?

somehow:
Let's even put it this way

I paid 97.5% in advance for a reason

To buy all the needed materials for storage on site to avoid rise in cost.

Questions everyone should ask him is

If he truly bought materials needed and kept on site, why then am I here asking for my refund?

The reason he asked for payment in advance at every stage has been defeated and can be tagged as deceit.

He deceived me into releasing money in advance without buying all materials as expected.

Now I ended up using my own money to buy materials at the current rate to complete the jobs he abandoned for months.

Yet telling the house he's only going to pay at the rate at which the funds were released to him 7 months ago.

Who does that?

Omo, but you get mind o,
Paying 97% advance to a well celebrated crook on here is to say the least, magnanimous

vanbonattel:


The vendor has a case, the 14th case of fraudulent obtaining of funds for a project and ending up diverting the monies for personal use. Without going to court, the vendor has shown himself to be a criminal and by accepting to owe the client even a penny, is guilty as charged.

This vendor might have a mental illness and is only online defrauding ppl to fund his habit.

I thought you've deactivated this account already!
AS PROMISED!!!

KelvinCoaster:

I thought you've deactivated this account already!
AS PROMISED!!!

I tried, Seun refused.
My challenge made him agree openly to owing the victim over 1 million plus.

vanbonattel:


Omo, but you get mind o,
Paying 97% advance to a well celebrated crook on here is to say the least, magnanimous

It was in stages but all in advance for one purpose; to buy and store materials in bulk.

He kept coming to me for advance payment citing rumors of rise in cost of materials.

We were working with a payment schedule drafted by him at first before the gimmicks.

I actually did the same thing with @Twinskenny and I have never had any reason to regret.

Same was done to the plumber @Olaleye, AC vendor (abeit partly) and both didn't fail me.

Still did something similar with @Michlin.

somehow:


It was in stages but all in advance for one purpose; to buy and store materials in bulk.

He kept coming to me for advance payment citing rumors of rise in cost of materials.

We were working with a payment schedule drafted by him at first before the gimmicks.

I actually did the same thing with @Twinskenny and I have never had any reason to regret.

Same was done to the plumber @Olaleye, AC vendor (abeit partly) and both didn't fail me.

Oga, always vet ppl before giving them your money. N3xt was defrauding people since 2007. I heard he had cleaned out 14 victims before and shamelessly returned for more.

somehow:


It was in stages but all in advance for one purpose; to buy and store materials in bulk.

He kept coming to me for advance payment citing rumors of rise in cost of materials.

We were working with a payment schedule drafted by him at first before the gimmicks.

I actually did the same thing with @Twinskenny and I have never had any reason to regret.

Same was done to the plumber @Olaleye, AC vendor (abeit partly) and both didn't fail me.

Still did something similar with @Michlin.

Look at how many vendors on this list… and get mr crook choose the wrong part… saw a post where Twinskenny was complaining bitterly about the quality of electrical pipes used by mr Bosun!!

And someone is up here justifying his criminal activities…..

He abandoned your project to face the ibadan project… I guess the owners were nice enough to kick him out on time. ….

I pray you recover your money

vanbonattel:


Oga, always vet ppl before giving them your money. N3xt was defrauding people since 2007. I heard he had cleaned out 14 victims before and shamelessly returned for more.

Everyone mentioned here got recommended by reputable people here except him, unfortunately his "packaging" got him picked by the QS in his own word.

While we have the issues here, I still haven't stopped the process I put in place. So we will wait to see him refund the correct amount. He has 1st week of January to do that.

He wasn't sacked today, he was sacked 3 months ago, so if he wanted this sorted since then, he would have provided his own "fair" valuation we requested for then.

Waiting for @Qsfemi to post the breakdown of his valuation here.

erico2k2:
Good evening house, here we are again, almost 2022 we still at where we started. Anyways, I do not wish anyone loses money or clients but as an Old member of this thread and was there from DAY one, I will like to say this, if I was Admin, in 2022, if anyone comes on here to complain about n3xt,I would place them on a BAN
if anyone thinks my response is insensitive by all means quote me, I have a very good reason!

Hello, please your response is insensitive. I thought in NL, vendors that always post quality pictures and long epistles are 'Professionals' compared to others.

Unless you have a reason. You can share. Thank you.

IDnoble80:


Look at how many vendors on this list… and get mr crook choose the wrong part… saw a post where Twinskenny was complaining bitterly about the quality of electrical pipes used by mr Bosun!!

And someone is up here justifying his criminal activities…..

He abandoned your project to face the ibadan project… I guess the owners were nice enough to kick him out on time. ….

I pray you recover your money

One day, the Ibadan people will be brave enough to recount their own ordeal in the hands of brabus n3xt bosun.

somehow:


Everyone mentioned here got recommended by reputable people here except him, unfortunately his "packaging" got him picked by the QS in his own word.

While we have the issues here, I still haven't stopped the process I put in place. So we will wait to see him refund the correct amount. He has 1st week of January to do that.

He wasn't sacked today, he was sacked 3 months ago, so if he wanted this sorted since then, he would have provided his own "fair" valuation we requested for then.

Waiting for @Qsfemi to post the breakdown of his valuation here.

It's not his packaging ra ra, the guy must have done you guys some jazz

Buried a dog at night and the rest is history.

vanbonattel:


It's not his packaging ra ra, the guy must have done you guys some jazz

Buried a dog at night and the rest is history.

Stuffs like that don't work with me.

And no, he didn't jazz whatever.

vanbonattel:


It's not his packaging ra ra, the guy must have done you guys some jazz

Buried a dog at night and the rest is history.

Packaging dey there too ooo, I heard from a reliable source that most of these regular guys on this thread clients give jobs to are not even Professionals in the built arena. Yet, they parade themselves as Engineers, Builders and Architects(as the case may be).

Someone without professional inclination will act anyhow to a client because he doesn't have tie or bond with the professional body.

Clients should ask for current Practice license before giving a job out to these so called Vendors. I think that will in a way reduce issues of this nature. My humble opinion ☺️

Kambols95:


I'm Bldr. Kareem Abiola. If you care to know me better and also about what I do, you can hit me up on WhatsApp/call

Ok.

Kambols95:


Packaging dey there too ooo, I heard from a reliable source that most of these regular guys on this thread clients give jobs to are not even Professionals in the built arena. Yet, they parade themselves as Engineers, Builders and Architects(as the case may be).

Someone without professional inclination will act anyhow to a client because he doesn't have tie or bond with the professional body.

Clients should ask for current Practice license before giving a job out to these so called Vendors. I think that will in a way reduce issues of this nature. My humble opinion ☺️

So I hold.

Kambols95:


Packaging dey there too ooo, I heard from a reliable source that most of these regular guys on this thread clients give jobs to are not even Professionals in the built arena. Yet, they parade themselves as Engineers, Builders and Architects(as the case may be).

Someone without professional inclination will act anyhow to a client because he doesn't have tie or bond with the professional body.

Clients should ask for current Practice license before giving a job out to these so called Vendors. I think that will in a way reduce issues of this nature. My humble opinion ☺️

Brabus studied computer science… but then he is good at packaging. He can do all thing lol from been an electrician, welder, networking etc

IDnoble80:


Brabus studied computer science… but then he is good at packaging. He can do all thing lol from been an electrician, welder, networking etc

Hmmm o deep gann oooo

sonnie10:

Two factors are the real issue here. Current inflation and the economics of scale..
When judgments are made in court, especially in civil matters regarding claims, it is not usually to punish the defaulting party but to reinstate the other party to their original status.
In this case, the client was originally able to afford the service for a certain budget without additional expenses ( This is Client’s original state). After certain duration of contract, and subsequent termination of the contract client now needed additional fund to achieve exactly what was initially contracted.
The fair thing is for client to be reinstated to original state. Client is not asking for interest.
Whether a compromise would be reached Is another issue .

Words on marble

What a long "back and forth" read...Things dey happen sha...

I honestly don't know what to say, except for a few things.

Next's claim that cement was not sold for 3k or less this year anywhere was not correct, i bought 2,950 around Mowe in Feb, later bought 3k around ending of Feb 2021...

l'm happy one thing is clear and that is both party agreed that REFUND will be made, problem is "how much to be refunded".

Secondly, somehow is magnanimous to have pegged refund to 2m BUT there is more.

The QS is part of the project from beginning, paid by somehow and it is EXPECTED that whatever FIGURE he brings will be tilted in favour of his client, atleast they say that whoever pays the piper COULD dictate the tune..

NEXT is not totally wrong not to ACCEPT the proposed refund value from QS femi, moreso if his statement (if it is TRUE) that the figure has been reviewed 4th time, albeit downward, shows that the job was not tidy enough...From some of the upload/communication here, it seems there are some things he was not contracted for yet being ask to make refund-----if this is correct, i refer back to my statement and i ask, did we tidy up before presenting a figure for repayment?

Oga NEXT, you have presented your repayment value to be 1,075M, can you please share how you arrived at your own figure? I want to learn something. You ought to have been present when you got an invite to the site to enable the QS present a more detailed /acceptable report;instead of this ambiguilty....

NEXT, you have WASTED too much time and you have caused alot of pain for your client..i don't know you, never met you but i always look forward to your comment whenever there is issue between vendor/client on this platform...In this case, you have ACTED in direct opposite to what you have always propose/recommend in order to resolve issues amicably. You failed! Please by all means, FIX THIS PROBLEM!

There is a much more important value that was lost in this project, and that is the value of TIME. Who will pay for all the time wasted?

sonnie10:


We are made to understand from previous comments that while project was being executed, contractor did other jobs at the site that was not part of the contract.
Did you account for those in the reconciliation?
Secondly, when calculating the price of incomplete materials did you use original price as at March/April or current Market price?
Thirdly, how did you present your Report? Was the report based on the amount currently needed to complete the remainder or was it a subset of what was in the original bid amount?
Is the disparity between theses two reason for deadlock?

This question was months back, still relevant today.

vanbonattel:


It's not his packaging ra ra, the guy must have done you guys some jazz

Buried a dog at night and the rest is history.

I been dey reason this same thing, some people said my comment was way too much.. I had to edit my comment and lay low, albeit for a profession that rely on track records to quantify how good you are, one could only but wonder how he secured the job even from design stage, knocking off other competitors who presented cheaper bids.....well this too shall pass

sonnie10:


This question was months back, still relevant today.

are you guys trying to blame the QS or what!? I don’t get it..:

Brabus was paid over 97% of the total contract sum? Why don’t u question him as to where he didn’t buy and store materials at that time? What do you expect? You guys should at least pity the client. He did his part but brabus didn’t!!

And when they call him to come to the site for evaluation did he show up? No he didn’t.. claiming he was busy !!! You guys should learn how to ask the right questions

dapotemi:

What a long "back and forth" read...Things dey happen sha...

I honestly don't know what to say, except for a few things.

Next's claim that cement was not sold for 3k or less this year anywhere was not correct, i bought 2,950 around Mowe in Feb, later bought 3k around ending of Feb 2021...

l'm happy one thing is clear and that is both party agreed that REFUND will be made, problem is "how much to be refunded".

Secondly, somehow is magnanimous to have pegged refund to 2m BUT there is more.

The QS is part of the project from beginning, paid by somehow and it is EXPECTED that whatever FIGURE he brings will be tilted in favour of his client, atleast they say that whoever pays the piper COULD dictate the tune..

NEXT is not totally wrong not to ACCEPT the proposed refund value from QS femi, moreso if his statement (if it is TRUE) that the figure has been reviewed 4th time, albeit downward, shows that the job was not tidy enough...From some of the upload/communication here, it seems there are some things he was not contracted for yet being ask to make refund-----if this is correct, i refer back to my statement and i ask, did we tidy up before presenting a figure for repayment?

Oga NEXT, you have presented your repayment value to be 1,075M, can you please share how you arrived at your own figure? I want to learn something. You ought to have been present when you got an invite to the site to enable the QS present a more detailed /acceptable report;instead of this ambiguilty....

NEXT, you have WASTED too much time and you have caused alot of pain for your client..i don't know you, never met you but i always look forward to your comment whenever there is issue between vendor/client on this platform...In this case, you have ACTED in direct opposite to what you have always propose/recommend in order to resolve issues amicably. You failed! Please by all means, FIX THIS PROBLEM!

There is a much more important value that was lost in this project, and that is the value of TIME. Who will pay for all the time wasted?

You nailed it sir

But unfortunately he won’t fix any problem… he will still come back here with a long epistle on how he was okay right