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As if the countries you re depicting dont have corruption issues, stop publicizing your stupidity here.

What a lie.

Agboconsult1:
I dont know. Maybe we don't have some creative architects around who can give us beautiful designs in our cities.

Bro we have a lot of creative architects in 9ja ooo but our Superiors and Mentors think we're crazy with those designs. I'm a graduate arc. & very sure of what I'm saying. During our university days design juries and defence, you just have to see and listen to design concepts from students that are contemporary way above what fellows[/b]did before.
At a time we came up with a design clause [b]"futuristic design" but our senior lectures discouraged us from treading such part, according to them it is an impossible design as long as Nigeria is concerned and we should do away with any design that have to do with steel and glass construction and Many more, this was how they limited the minds of young architects with their impossibility mantra. But I tell you sir we still do contemporary designs with our computers though just for portfolios, someday we will start building our dreams

DubaiLandLord:
You must be drunk while writing this


Only evidence from serious source will show you are not.

Is the US Central Bank only employing mostly politicians picking like the Central Bank of Nigeria does?

In Nigeria, a lot of Government ministry they employ without notifying the public about it

Without strong leg, you no fit enter NNPC or FIRS.

Without corruption, I doubt Nigeria will be as develop as the city in that your first picture sef

Wetin be Nigeria budget for this year?

There was a time Nigeria had soo much money, the government didn't even know what to do with it...so they decided to share it to the populace....I assure u, this is a true story, when I was told. I kept wondering how incompetent the leadership of the country was at that time... How could u have no idea what to do with money?

Calebility:
Let's start with the citizens first.

You see those civil servants in government parastatal, as they grow in level corruption also grows with them.
Saw a thread of how people were given photocopies of NIN slip instead of the original.

It's better to use other references when you want to make comments on civil servants nonchalant attitude or corruption in the civil service, and not the NIN issue. Because the NIN registration has been split between government and private organizations. Private organizations also register the NIN the citizens and NIMC registration also continues and they are the same.
About the paper or photocopy of the NIN, the initial customized paper used by NIMC is no longer available. It's just a customized paper. The information on it, is what really matters. It depends on the condition of the printer due to heavy usage, the output might be rough.

Lastly, the paper you get doesn't matter, It's the NIN number that's important. And if your data can checked on the NIMC server anytime, anywhere. If you follow the news, NIMC has already declared that they will not issue any hard copy any longer, both temporary and permanent ID can no longer be issued out. They are trying to make the general system computer based, just soft copy.

mediainc:
Educate yourself before you make arguments online, your IQ is very low, people like you need whole pages to grasp answers, enlighten yourself, don't take pride in being dumb. I don't debate with dull people cos I gain nothing. Keep waiting for Buhari to take you out of your blindness and ignorance.

It's because u aren't dumb and u have high IQ that's why am asking u the questions I asked u. Unfortunately u are struggling to answer the questions:

Can u show me the argument u are referring to?

How is the presidents PRIMARY responsibility security and federal infrastructure alone? Is that what the constitution says?

nnofaith:
We have not made conscious efforts to make it different. Development don't just happen, it takes a lot of sweat and blood.

What is the conscious effort that needs to be made?

Bigredmachine:
No corruption is not the reason why we don't have cities like these in Nigeria...

It's our mindset and the way we think...

The countries that harbor this cities whose image u displayed here are corrupt if not more corrupt than Nigeria

From the poor to the rich, our way of thinking is very very bad

Give us example of one of those ways abeg.

lastchild:
oga, if you go to the western countries like USA, no such thing as governor embezzling the public fund entrusted in his hand for a project, if he tries it, he's going to jail.

Make your research

Oga what you just mention is stealing or thievery not corruption.
Corruption is way mightier than limiting it to just stealing public funds. America is more corrupt than Nigeria, just take it bro. The conspiracy against Africa and 3rd world countries going on in US is very alarming. The British taught Buhari and APC on how to practically downplay other region in their selective position just to dwath our growth, just watch they will come in again when election atmospheres start hitting up to manipulate us again and again and again

Aboki iron damage will not let all those iron rest.....Come to pH and see what they are doing

jmoore:
Give an example on how UK is more corrupt than Nigeria.

COVID 19 PPE scandals.

Johnson's wallpaper on a lighter note

God1000:
are you serious, what's the role of government then? An oil rich country like Nigeria should have world class infrastructure.
Look at Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other oil producing countries

Nigeria is not an oil rich country

God1000:
Corruption has dealt us a heavy blow in this country, Nigeria is the only country that retrogresses every year, no progress since 1960.

I don't know when this ugly circle will end.

Be deceiving yourself and others, will a state like Adamawa that had a gross revenue (IGR + Federal allocation + loans) of 50bn ($120m) in 2020 build a city like that?
That whole money cannot even build one of those highrises you see in that picture not to talk of the elevated 5 lane road.
And they must pay civil servants salaries , pensions,fix potholes, grade rural roads, fund primary healthcare,

backbencher:
Nigeria, and indeed most of Africa, look poor not because of corruption but because we run resource dependent countries.

At the end, the price of whatever we sell is never at a level that can sustain us, so we are always broke , and taking loans

We also don't have high enough GDP as a result too...

Meanwhile countries that look like that in your picture sell industrial consumer and industrial heavy goods. Crucially, they set the price of what they sell, unlike oil whose price is never at a level that favors us. So, they earn lots of income.

That's why China's GDP rose from being lower than Sierra Leone in 1973 to being many times that of Sierra Leone now. And why South Korea went from being below Senegal in 1960 to being above them now . They became economies based on sale of industrial consumer goods, and goods for industries (as an example, it was a South Korean company that built Kaduna Refinery in the 1970's. Meanwhile, South Korea has no oil)

The only oil producers that can afford the high life are countries like Qatar that produce just as much as we do, but have less than 3 million people, or the UAE that has 15 million people.

Corruption affects those countries too...but they fight it because it affects their revenue badly as taxes form a major part of our revenue. Not like Nigeria, where taxes form a minor part of our revenue.

Do these advanced countries have higher tax to GDP rates that are progressive in nature(think Elon Musk)?
Do these advanced countries try to have free quality basic education for all their citizens as quality basic education provides workers for entrepreneurs?

Our problems are simple but because of personal greed, may not be solved for another century

Which corruption? You think a stupid person can build what you're looking at there?

Everything is not corruption. Stupidity is worse than corruption. A foolish righteous man is worse than a smart corrupt man. Take that to the bank.

It takes a shit ton of genius, creativity, planning and consistency to pull off some of the things you people take for granted. You think it's just about having money? You have not met rich people without taste. Money is useless in the hands of a foolish person.

One day, people will realise that what happened in Dubai and China within short time required pure genuis.

God1000:
Corruption has dealt us a heavy blow in this country, Nigeria is the only country that retrogresses every year, no progress since 1960.

I don't know when this ugly circle will end.

I agree, if it wasn’t for corruption and mentally sick leaders, Nigeria would have even moved pass these pictures.
This is why it is extremely important for all Nigerians to use their heads this time around and elect a sensible leader.
It makes absolutely no sense for a great country and a bunch of magnificent people to constantly elect blooodyfoools as leaders.

Calebility:
Let's start with the citizens first.

You see those civil servants in government parastatal, as they grow in level corruption also grows with them.
Saw a thread of how people were given photocopies of NIN slip instead of the original.

As if you are not also looking for the same civil service job. smh

Bigredmachine:
No corruption is not the reason why we don't have cities like these in Nigeria...

It's our mindset and the way we think...

The countries that harbor this cities whose image u displayed here are corrupt if not more corrupt than Nigeria

From the poor to the rich, our way of thinking is very very bad

Zero point made..

Tianamen1:
Do these advanced countries have higher tax to GDP rates that are progressive in nature(think Elon Musk)?

Yes they do

South Africa 26%
UK 32.8%
USA 25.5%
France 45.4%
Denmark 46.5%
FInland 41.9%
Germany 38.3%
Nigeria 6.4%

Do these advanced countries try to have free quality basic education for all their citizens as quality basic education provides workers for entrepreneurs?

UK free education up to secondary school
Denmark: free education till tertiary level
Norway: Free education to tertiary level
France : Ditto
USA: May vary
South africa: Not necessarily
NIgeria: Depends

Our problems are simple but because of personal greed, may not be solved for another century

[/quote]We have to face some truths first that we don't want to face.

ivolt:
Stop being fooled by politicians. Enabling environment is a myth.
It is citizens that develops country and not the government.

In the West like the United States and Europe, or East Asia like China , Japan and South Korea, their citizens are responsible for development

In the Middle East, particularly gulf countries like UAE, Bahrain etc, their government is responsible for development. The major businesses and assets are government owned. Almost all natives of Dubai and Qatar fast in their homes for complete 30 days during Ramadan. Islamic education has priority over scientific education. The Gulf countries are wealthy because their oil Wells are more than their indigenous citizens (UAE, for example, has less than 10 million citizens but more than 5 times the oil reserve available in Nigeria). Let's face it, these are countries where half of their citizens ( female citizens) added nothing to their economy until this past decade when they were even permitted to drive their cars. Do you know that European women dominate even non-scientific jobs like Cabin crew (air hostesses) in Qatar and Emirates Airlines? Saudi women, for instance, were permitted to take air hostess jobs just last year for the first time.

It's not like their indigenous architects or engineers designed or constructed any of those high-rise buildings.
For instance, every single facility that would be used in Qatar 2022 (FIFA World Cup) was constructed by American or European corporations. They were able to bid for the world cup and renovate their stadia because of oil money.

Nigeria on the other hand is a very poor country with rich citizens (The total assets of the top 20 richest people in the country is more than the dollar reserve of Nigeria). The oil Nigeria has can only fund the Niger Delta,where it is found, to be like the developing Arab world. It can't even fund 20 million people talkless of the 200 million+ population of unproductive Nigerians.

I agree with you that for Nigeria to grow the country must depend on human resources (its citizens) because it doesn't have more natural resources than human resources like the Gulf countries have.

Don't generalise it pls. If you are talking about western Nigeria/ yorubaland then yes but other part of Nigeria pls forget it.

lexy2014:
It's because u aren't dumb and u have high IQ that's why am asking u the questions I asked u. Unfortunately u are struggling to answer the questions:

Can u show me the argument u are referring to?

How is the presidents PRIMARY responsibility security and federal infrastructure alone? Is that what the constitution says?

Go play with your dumb crew, dumb ass.

Bigredmachine:
No corruption is not the reason why we don't have cities like these in Nigeria...

It's our mindset and the way we think...

The countries that harbor this cities whose image u displayed here are corrupt if not more corrupt than Nigeria

From the poor to the rich, our way of thinking is very very bad

Modified

So I got almost 40 mentions for this post alone and more than half of those mentions criticize me in one way or the other... Well to my own standard that just shows why I said our thinking is our problem in Nigeria and Africa at large... So many of u have decided to accept defeat and backwardness hence u believe everything good cannot happen in Nigeria...

USA and other top countries u see today are still corrupt but someone somewhere stood up and said let's change things (largely due to their way of thinking)

If we have right thinking people... They will know that anything good is possible in this country (you are talking of a country that is the 6 or 7th largest producers of oil in the world)... A country blessed with human and natural resources... And u tell me corruption is the reason why we are where we are today...

Take Dubai for instance if they have the same thinking mentality we have today, no body will be visiting that city... Because of the way they think... You can't place corruption in front of your mindset, your mindset comes first...

Lastly... The Nigerian poor man mentality is totally rotten,so poor that they accept everything being said to them, tell them Nigeria can never be like USA, Nigeria is the most corrupt country in the world they foolishly accept, hence why our politicians keep putting us where our thinking and mindset is...

I could go on and on... But we accept mediocrity in this country... I rest my case here

yet another mention for your useless comment.

Bigredmachine:
No corruption is not the reason why we don't have cities like these in Nigeria...

It's our mindset and the way we think...

The countries that harbor this cities whose image u displayed here are corrupt if not more corrupt than Nigeria

From the poor to the rich, our way of thinking is very very bad

Modified

So I got almost 40 mentions for this post alone and more than half of those mentions criticize me in one way or the other... Well to my own standard that just shows why I said our thinking is our problem in Nigeria and Africa at large... So many of u have decided to accept defeat and backwardness hence u believe everything good cannot happen in Nigeria...

USA and other top countries u see today are still corrupt but someone somewhere stood up and said let's change things (largely due to their way of thinking)

If we have right thinking people... They will know that anything good is possible in this country (you are talking of a country that is the 6 or 7th largest producers of oil in the world)... A country blessed with human and natural resources... And u tell me corruption is the reason why we are where we are today...

Take Dubai for instance if they have the same thinking mentality we have today, no body will be visiting that city... Because of the way they think... You can't place corruption in front of your mindset, your mindset comes first...

Lastly... The Nigerian poor man mentality is totally rotten,so poor that they accept everything being said to them, tell them Nigeria can never be like USA, Nigeria is the most corrupt country in the world they foolishly accept, hence why our politicians keep putting us where our thinking and mindset is...

I could go on and on... But we accept mediocrity in this country... I rest my case here

The average Nigerian mindset is stinkingly poor and backward. Don’t stress yourself

God1000:
Corruption has dealt us a heavy blow in this country, Nigeria is the only country that retrogresses every year, no progress since 1960.

I don't know when this ugly circle will end.

. Not corruption. @bigredmachine answered you well,but he could have used the phrase "our value system". Eg Government will construct water drainage,we will fill it up with plastics,waste foods,deficate inside etc. This is not corruption but value system.

All the argument and Lamentations means nothing at the same time makes no sense to me.

With the black man mentality we are bound to remain stagnant with no progress in sight. The solution is what we're supposed crave for.

The earlier we mobilize and bring back the white government, the Americans precisely to help free us from the shackles of poverty and backwardness the better.

Any other alternative is suffering and smiling until God knows when. Many may not understand

What you call "corruption" is actually:

- Proxy armies
- Foreign-backed stooge politicians
- Foreigners looting resources
- Grossly unfair trade

This and other outside manipulation creates conditions where the manpower and intellectual labor needed in development are occupied by dealing with chaos, or it's gone because people want to escape chaos. It of course also removes the financial resources needed in development.

Bigredmachine:
No corruption is not the reason why we don't have cities like these in Nigeria...

It's our mindset and the way we think...

The countries that harbor this cities whose image u displayed here are corrupt if not more corrupt than Nigeria

From the poor to the rich, our way of thinking is very very bad

Modified

So I got almost 40 mentions for this post alone and more than half of those mentions criticize me in one way or the other... Well to my own standard that just shows why I said our thinking is our problem in Nigeria and Africa at large... So many of u have decided to accept defeat and backwardness hence u believe everything good cannot happen in Nigeria...

USA and other top countries u see today are still corrupt but someone somewhere stood up and said let's change things (largely due to their way of thinking)

If we have right thinking people... They will know that anything good is possible in this country (you are talking of a country that is the 6 or 7th largest producers of oil in the world)... A country blessed with human and natural resources... And u tell me corruption is the reason why we are where we are today...

Take Dubai for instance if they have the same thinking mentality we have today, no body will be visiting that city... Because of the way they think... You can't place corruption in front of your mindset, your mindset comes first...

Lastly... The Nigerian poor man mentality is totally rotten,so poor that they accept everything being said to them, tell them Nigeria can never be like USA, Nigeria is the most corrupt country in the world they foolishly accept, hence why our politicians keep putting us where our thinking and mindset is...

I could go on and on... But we accept mediocrity in this country... I rest my case here

Corruption is a mentality on it's own, all these things you mentioned still boils down to a corrupt mind. You need to see where a Nigeria politician spend/blow money so as to know the levels of corruption in Nigeria.

If you think that very low levels of corruption built these, you are wrong.

What moves countries from poor to rich isn't the lack of corruption but the quality of their business and economic policies. That is what matters the most. This will lead to rapid economic growth that can move a population from being desperately poor to becoming an upper middle country within 40 years. Singapore went from poor to rich within 30 years

That bridge that was posted is in China. China has averaged 8+ % economic growth rate from 1979- 2019.

Countries are only able to challenge corruption only once they achieve a properous point

mediainc:
Go play with your dumb crew, dumb ass.

Am playing with you. Meanwhile,

Can u show me the argument u are referring to?

How is the presidents PRIMARY responsibility security and federal infrastructure alone? Is that what the constitution says?

grandstar:
If you think that very low levels of corruption built these, you are wrong.

What moves countries from poor to rich isn't the lack of corruption but the quality of their business and economic policies. That is what matters the most. This will lead to rapid economic growth that can move a population from being desperately poor to becoming an upper middle country within 40 years. Singapore went from poor to rich within 30 years

That bridge that was posted is in China. China has averaged 8+ % economic growth rate from 1979- 2019.

Countries are only able to challenge corruption only once they achieve a properous point

What is the difference between the economic policies of rich countries and poor countries?