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[quote author=petra1 post=109198163]Isaiah 53:10-11 KJV
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. [11] He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

AABBIIMM:
Isaiah 53:10-11 KJV
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. [11] He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Thanks I think this verse answer his questions more

AABBIIMM:
Isaiah 53:10-11 KJV
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. [11] He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Have you read:
Isaiah 41:8
But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend

Hope you now understand that Isaiah 53:10-11 is not about Jesus but Israel

petra1:
You already got your answer . But if its knowledge you're seeking . Understanding of the bible is by combination of relative verses . If you're so particular about a single verse that contains your question phrase by phrase ,word for word. You may kindly show us since you're so particular about it. I didn't use the phrase. It's only you that came up with it. And we have helped you enough to show you relative verses.

Ok so you admit there was no where in the OT that the god promised that animal sacrifice would be substituted by his own son?

MaxInDHouse:
That's why you need to learn the truth from the messengers of Godly peace: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

Jesus' blood can save only the OBEDIENT not rebellious humans! Zephaniah 2:2-3
When Jesus talked about forgiveness he wasn't talking about the rebellious Jews who knew what they were doing, but soldiers who were making jest of him as they thought he's just a nuisance dragging issues with those who are older than his father (Joseph) and most influential in the society. The thief who got the sense of Jesus' coming was granted a visa to Paradise despite all his atrocities but the other thief who failed to grasp it can't have what Jesus promised his cohorts.
WHY?
Because both of them were Jews, indirectly the one demanding for miracles knows Jesus was the Christ but he was demanding instant release despite being a criminal receiving punishment for his evil deeds! Luke 23:40-41

So the Jews were rebellious because they wanted Jesus to show them a sign He is the Messiah God has promised so that they are not deceived by an imposter. GOD showed the people of Israel signs to show that HE is the one speaking to Moses.
But you feel that the Roman soldiers that mocked Jesus were the ones that God forgave.

Also for your information the Romans only crucified those that rebel against the Roman occupation of Israel at that time and at that time there were alot of Jews rebelling against the Roman occupation hence the other two that were crucified with Jesus had rebelled against Roman occupation and that was their offence.

LordReed:
Ok so you admit there was no where in the OT that the god promised that animal sacrifice would be substituted by his own son?

Isaiah 53:10-11

we have given you enough answer for your question . except you're not looking for answer.

MindHacker9000:
So the Jews were rebellious because they wanted Jesus to show them a sign He is the Messiah God has promised so that they are not deceived by an imposter. GOD showed the people of Israel signs to show that HE is the one speaking to Moses.
But you feel that the Roman soldiers that mocked Jesus were the ones that God forgave.

The Jewish religious leaders weren't sincerely asking for a sign because Jesus performed lot of signs in their midst and they said:

Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin. "What are we accomplishing?" they asked. "Here is this man performing many signs. If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation." John 11:47-48

What they actually wanted is for Jesus to help them conquer the Roman empire just as Moses conquered Egypt and freed their ancestors. Moreover during the time of Moses God spoke to their forefathers because they never experienced any powerful works of God even Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never experienced what Jehovah wanted to do with the Egyptian! Exodus 6:2-3

MindHacker9000:
Also for your information the Romans only crucified those that rebel against the Roman occupation of Israel at that time and at that time there were alot of Jews rebelling against the Roman occupation hence the other two that were crucified with Jesus had rebelled against Roman occupation and that was their offence.

NO! There were many Jews who weren't in support of the revolution the Jews were planning as they formed a secret revolutionary group called "Jewish Zealots" each zealot back then usually go about with a sword hidden under his garment in preparation of the anticipated revolution. Even Jesus' disciples were expecting him to start the fight for freedom, that's why they responded quickly when he told them to get SWORDS {Luke 22:36-38} after all the prophecy about the Messiah said he will be like David (a king who killed all the enemies of Israel during his reign) Isaiah 9:7 compare to Luke 1:32-33
But as for the two guys executed beside Jesus they were outlaws (real criminals)

Then one of the criminals hanging there began to speak abusively to him, saying: “You are the Christ, are you not? Save yourself and us too!” In response the other rebuked him, saying: “Do you not fear God at all, now that you have received the same judgment? And we rightly so, for we are getting back what we deserve for the things we did; but this man did nothing wrong.” Luke 23:39-41

YES, they were real criminals!

HE WOULD HAVE FORGIVEN SODOM AND GOMORRAH FOR THE SAKE OF ABRAHAM IF HE HAD FOUND TEN RIGHTEOUS MEN THERE.

JESUS IS COMING BACK AND WE SHALL ACHIEVE THE NEW JERUSALEMS BY HIS COMING BACK.

petra1:
Isaiah 53:10-11

we have given you enough answer for your question . except you're not looking for answer.

Ok, let's just leave it at that.

MindHacker9000:
Have you read:
Isaiah 41:8
But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend

Hope you now understand that Isaiah 53:10-11 is not about Jesus but Israel

What kind of rubbish connection is this?

Then what would you say about "Israel is my first born"? Exodus 4:22

Go and find a valid counter. Rubbish.

AABBIIMM:
yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. [11] He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

LordReed:
Ok, let's just leave it at that.

God's son differs from man's child, animal sacrifice in Israel's ancient temple worship foreshadow the ultimate sacrifice God will make in behalf of obedient mankind.
God's spirit son was transformed into a human (perfect) by pouring out the blood of this perfect man he bought all those putting faith in him.
Through faith they're no longer Adam's descendants but children of the perfect man who kept his integrity to the end of his human life.
So stop deceiving yourself the way God views the matter totally differs from the way you're looking at your own child, if your child die you have no power to bring back the child from the dead. But God has the power to raise Jesus that's why his death was like a bruise in the heel {Genesis 3:15} and that's exactly what the patriarch Abraham believed (trusted) that the one who fulfilled His promises (making a 90+ old woman got pregnant and delivered safely) can raise Isaac even if he (Abraham) should kill his son as God demanded {Hebrews 11:19} because God's loyal love endures forever! Psalms 136:2-4
comment meant for all other followers not only LordReed!

Dtruthspeaker:
What kind of rubbish connection is this?

Then what would you say about "Israel is my first born"? Exodus 4:22

Go and find a valid counter. Rubbish.

That is why I don't argue with these people. They clearly don't know the scriptures.
Even Jesus said search the scriptures because they testify of Him in John 5:39 KJV
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Remember, what Jesus also said in Luke 24:27 KJV And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Meaning that in the old testament, the scriptures testify of who Christ is and what He'll do for us.
In fact, Moses spoke in the book of Deuteronomy 18:15 KJV The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.
Who else is Moses referring to if not Jesus Christ.

The scripture is clear but their ignorance and pride has veiled their understanding lest they see Christ. Hence, they result to argument and I wouldn't stoop to that. Rather, I'd intercede for them.
Shalom.

Dtruthspeaker:
Then what would you say about "Israel is my first born"? Exodus 4:22

Go and find a valid counter.

Ask yourself how Isaiah 53:10-11 KJV was referring to Jesus, when did Jesus become a righteous servant

Isaiah 53:10-11 KJV
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. [11] He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

MaxInDHouse:
But as for the two guys executed beside Jesus they were outlaws (real criminals)

Then one of the criminals hanging there began to speak abusively to him, saying: “You are the Christ, are you not? Save yourself and us too!” In response the other rebuked him, saying: “Do you not fear God at all, now that you have received the same judgment? And we rightly so, for we are getting back what we deserve for the things we did; but this man did nothing wrong.” Luke 23:39-41
YES, they were real criminals!

No they were not: The Romans perfected crucifixion for 500 years until it was abolished by Constantine I in the 4th century AD. Crucifixion in Roman times was applied mostly to slaves, disgraced soldiers, Christians and foreigners--only very rarely to Roman citizens. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Attacking a Roman soldier would have been classed as a criminal act.

MaxInDHouse:
The Jewish religious leaders weren't sincerely asking for a sign because Jesus performed lot of signs in their midst and they said:

Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin. "What are we accomplishing?" they asked. "Here is this man performing many signs. If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation." John 11:47-48

What they actually wanted is for Jesus to help them conquer the Roman empire just as Moses conquered Egypt and freed their ancestors. Moreover during the time of Moses God spoke to their forefathers because they never experienced any powerful works of God even Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never experienced what Jehovah wanted to do with the Egyptian! Exodus 6:2-3

The chief priests and the Pharisees are right. Is the purpose of a Messiah not to deliver them from the Romans?

MindHacker9000:
No they were not: The Romans perfected crucifixion for 500 years until it was abolished by Constantine I in the 4th century AD. Crucifixion in Roman times was applied mostly to slaves, disgraced soldiers, Christians and foreigners--only very rarely to Roman citizens. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Attacking a Roman soldier would have been classed as a criminal act.

Why arguing blindly even when the book that says they were executed quoted the criminals saying they were culprits?
OK with all your dodging what punishment does Romans give a thief terrorizing their province?

MindHacker9000:
The chief priests and the Pharisees are right. Is the purpose of a Messiah not to deliver them from the Romans?

Well according to the prophecy they were wrong! The Messiah will save the whole world by teaching everyone how to live peacefully in His Kingdom {Isaiah 9:6-7} reasonably he can't do that by being a racist warrior. The global sensitization must begin with the Jews and they will have to spread the message to other nations {Zechariah 8:23} that is why Jesus never made any attempt to save John who baptized him, for his government to be justified a warning must go throughout the earth for evildoers couple with the message of good news for faithful and obedient mankind.
Those religious leaders have no faith in what the scriptures say rather what matters to them is their own position as rulers among God's people, that's why Jesus told Nicodemus (one of them) that he must be Born Again to achieve what the Jewish religious leaders are anticipating! John 3:5-6
All these you can't grasp if you never studied the Bible with the group Jesus is using to teach the whole world - JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

MaxInDHouse:
Why arguing blindly even when the book that says they were executed quoted the criminals saying they were culprits?
OK with all your dodging what punishment does Romans give a thief terrorizing their province?

You are the one arguing blindly. Clearly when a deceiver like yourself cannot deceive someone they tend to turn to insults. A sensible person knows that the New Testament is just made up stories by the Romans.

MaxInDHouse:
The destruction of Jerusalem 33 years after Jesus death served two purposes:

You agree that the destruction of Jerusalem was 33 years after Jesus, is this written in the New Testament? Better for you to learn and research about the New Testament to know it was made up by the Romans, than to become insultive because you are a deceiver and I will not agree with your deceit.

MindHacker9000:
You are the one arguing blindly. Clearly when a deceiver like yourself cannot deceive someone they tend to turn to insults. A sensible person knows that the New Testament is just made up stories by the Romans.

OK that's what you've been trying to say since!
No wonder you're battling to quote the same book against what's written in it.
Well i think billions of people around you aren't SENSIBLE because they highly respected this book and are prepared to let go of so many things just for their love for this book.
So if you think all of them are SENSELESS then i believe you're entitled to your opinion!

MindHacker9000:
You agree that the destruction of Jerusalem was 33 years after Jesus, is this written in the New Testament? Better for you to learn and research about how the New Testament to know it was made up by the Romans than to become insultive because you are a deceiver and I will not agree with your deceit.

Well it was prophesied by the greatest man who ever lived Jesus of Nazareth that Jerusalem will soon experience the greatest of all calamities:

“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled" Luke 21:20-24

With the above warning from the prophet they respected most, all the Christians left Jerusalem safely before the Romans attacked the city so how do you expect any of them to write what they never saw nor had the opportunity to ask those who were killed during the attack?

[quote author=AABBIIMM post=109199113][/quote]Nobody dies..

"He shall prolong his days....."

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. Isaiah already told you who the servant is in 41: 5-9..look it up..

MindHacker9000:
Ask yourself how Isaiah 53:10-11 KJV was referring to Jesus, when did Jesus become a righteous servant

Cmon, No Road!

John 6:38
"FOR I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that SENT ME."

What do servants do again? Or a person who moves is Ordered to Go and he goes, is called a ....?

Son, I Do speak The Truth, NO ROAD!

AABBIIMM:
That is why I don't argue with these people. They clearly don't know the scriptures.
Even Jesus said search the scriptures because they testify of Him in John 5:39 KJV
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Remember, what Jesus also said in Luke 24:27 KJV And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Meaning that in the old testament, the scriptures testify of who Christ is and what He'll do for us.
In fact, Moses spoke in the book of Deuteronomy 18:15 KJV The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.
Who else is Moses referring to if not Jesus Christ.

The scripture is clear but their ignorance and pride has veiled their understanding lest they see Christ. Hence, they result to argument and I wouldn't stoop to that. Rather, I'd intercede for them.
Shalom.

I understand your feelings but some of them are bonafide only that they are strongly rooted in bad understanding /teachings which they wrongly thought was reasonable with no one pointing out the flaw and wrong in that reasoning and the highest opener, which is they are truly seeing for themselves through our arguments, That God and The Lord Jesus is Truly True. (Many secretly hold the hope the idea that God does not exist)

But by our irrefutable and substantiated arguments, they do see for themselves that He Is Real