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Muslims say that the Quran is the undiluted words of Allah, even though the same Muslims believe that Allah never spoke directly to Muhammad. The Quran was, according to Muslims, dictated to Muhammad by Jibreel, hence the Quran is the direct word of Jibreel and not Allah.


If Allah directed Jibreel to reveal the Quran to Muhammad , that means the Quran is a reported speech , that means Jibreel could have inserted his own words.


But let’s assume that the Quran was the words of Allah, then who is talking here

“O mankind, remember the favor of Allah upon you. Is there any creator other than Allah who provides for you from the heaven and earth? There is no deity except Him, so how are you deluded?”
-Surat Fāţir 35:3

If Allah is truly the author of the Quran then the emboldened words should have been these:

Remember the favour of Allah: Remember my favour

Other than Allah : other than me


There is no deity except Him: …except me

With these, it’s easy to connect the dots about who the real author of the Quran is!

This is where we need AntiChristian most

advocatejare:

Muslims say that the Quran is the undiluted words of Allah, even though the same Muslims believe that Allah never spoke directly to Muhammad. The Quran was, according to Muslims, dictated to Muhammad by Jibreel, hence the Quran is the direct word of Jibreel and not Allah.


If Allah directed Jibreel to reveal the Quran to Muhammad , that means the Quran is a reported speech , that means Jibreel could have inserted his own words.


But let’s assume that the Quran was the words of Allah, then who is talking here



If Allah is truly the author of the Quran then the emboldened words should have been these:




With these, it’s easy to connect the dots about who the real author of the Quran is!

Mathew 9
Jesus said
6 But in order that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins and [e]remit the penalty,...


Shouldn't this have been Jesus said "But in order that you may know that I have authority on earth to forgive sin and remit the penalty...


Why is he referring to himself in third person?... You get the gist


The moment you know who is talking in Mat 9 verse 6 and who the "son of man" refers to then all your doubts will be cleared

haekymbahd:
Mathew 9
Jesus said
6 But in order that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins and [e]remit the penalty,...


Shouldn't this have been Jesus said "But in order that you may know that I have authority on earth to forgive sin and remit the penalty...

Wow. Another confirmation of divinity of Jesus.

Only God has the power to forgive sins. Jesus forgave sins, Jesus is the Only Kind of God (Monogene), the beloved Son of God!

haekymbahd:
Mathew 9
Jesus said
6 But in order that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins and [e]remit the penalty,...

The verse is very clear, simple and straight forward.. It means Jesus Christ has the authority to forgive sins

RightChannel:
The verse is very clear, simple and straight forward.. It means Jesus Christ has the authority to forgive sins

And Jesus forgave people of their sins, forgiving sins is only an attribute of divinity.

Even Muhammad that Muslims call the greatest prophet could not forgive any sins. He himself was a sinful man who was always asking for forgiveness.

Jesus Christ was a sinless man!

advocatejare:
And Jesus forgave people of their sins, forgiving sins is only an attribute of divinity.

Even Muhammad that Muslims call the greatest prophet could not forgive any sins. He himself was a sinful man who was always asking for forgiveness.

Jesus Christ was a sinless man!

Muhammad doesn't worth an Usher talkless of a prophet, I read a place where he disobeyed his own god. Allah told them to married maximum of four wives muhammad on his own couldn't control his huge for sex as he married more than ten wives even a little girl that ought to be his great grand daughter, muhammad went to married her

RightChannel:
Muhammad doesn't worth an Usher talkless of a prophet, I read a place where he disobeyed his own god. Allah told them to married maximum of four wives muhammad on his own couldn't control his huge for sex as he married more than ten wives even a little girl that ought to be his great grand daughter, muhammad went to married her

Muhammad gave himself 16 special privileges above everyone else and those 16 privileges revolve around women, sex, spoils of war and chaos

advocatejare:
Muhammad gave himself 16 special privileges above everyone else and those 16 privileges revolve around women, sex, spoils of war and chaos

So he is more superior than allah

RightChannel:
So he is more superior than allah

Sure!

RightChannel:
So he is more superior than allah

You mean Jesus is superior to his God who sent him..

John 5
30 I am able to do nothing from Myself [independently, of My own accord--but only as I am taught by God and as I get His orders]. Even as I hear, I judge [I decide as I am bidden to decide. As the voice comes to Me, so I give a decision], and My judgment is right (just, righteous), because I do not seek or consult My own will [I have no desire to do what is pleasing to Myself, My own aim, My own purpose] but only the will and pleasure of the Father Who sent Me.


Allah SWT said:


"[The Day] when Allah will say, O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, This is not but obvious magic."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 110)

advocatejare:
And Jesus forgave people of their sins, forgiving sins is only an attribute of divinity.

Even Muhammad that Muslims call the greatest prophet could not forgive any sins. He himself was a sinful man who was always asking for forgiveness.

Jesus Christ was a sinless man!

Did Jesus forgave there sin by himself or as he was commanded by God. Don't forget the moment your God left him on the cross he became ordinary and he cried "why have you forsaken me" the power given to him left him..

Now tell what can Jesus do without God the creator?

John 5
30 I am able to do nothing from Myself [independently, of My own accord--but only as I am taught by God and as I get His orders]. Even as I hear, I judge [I decide as I am bidden to decide. As the voice comes to Me, so I give a decision], and My judgment is right (just, righteous), because I do not seek or consult My own will [I have no desire to do what is pleasing to Myself, My own aim, My own purpose] but only the will and pleasure of the Father Who sent Me.



Allah SWT said:

"[The Day] when Allah will say, O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, This is not but obvious magic."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 110)

haekymbahd:
Mathew 9
Jesus said
6 But in order that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins and [e]remit the penalty,...


Shouldn't this have been Jesus said "But in order that you may know that I have authority on earth to forgive sin and remit the penalty...


Why is he referring to himself in third person?... You get the gist

The moment you know who is talking in Mat 9 verse 6 and who the "son of man" refers to then all your doubts will be cleared

Lovely Analogy!
Only the wise and knowledgeable will understand this.

It is called "Illeism".
They can google it as it is a stylistic device in literature!
But they don't wish to understand.

haekymbahd:
Did Jesus forgave there sin by himself or as he was commanded by God. Don't forget the moment your God left him on the cross he became ordinary and he cried "why have you forsaken me" the power given to him left him..

Now tell what can Jesus do without God the creator?

John 5
30 I am able to do nothing from Myself [independently, of My own accord--but only as I am taught by God and as I get His orders]. Even as I hear, I judge [I decide as I am bidden to decide. As the voice comes to Me, so I give a decision], and My judgment is right (just, righteous), because I do not seek or consult My own will [I have no desire to do what is pleasing to Myself, My own aim, My own purpose] but only the will and pleasure of the Father Who sent Me.



Allah SWT said:

"[The Day] when Allah will say, O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, This is not but obvious magic."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 110)

In short, Jesus forgave sins like God but muhammad was a sinner who had to beg for forgiveness!


Jesus even made a clay bird to come alive, so Jesus has the power of creation like God!

You said it was by the permission of Allah, so Allah gave his forgiving and creation power to Jesus and not to the so called “greatest prophet”!

haekymbahd:
You mean Jesus is superior to his God who sent him..

John 5
30 I am able to do nothing from Myself [independently, of My own accord--but only as I am taught by God and as I get His orders]. Even as I hear, I judge [I decide as I am bidden to decide. As the voice comes to Me, so I give a decision], and My judgment is right (just, righteous), because I do not seek or consult My own will [I have no desire to do what is pleasing to Myself, My own aim, My own purpose] but only the will and pleasure of the Father Who sent Me.


Allah SWT said:


"[The Day] when Allah will say, O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, This is not but obvious magic."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 110)

Jesus Christ doesn't place himself above his father as you can read from that Bible verse you qoute above, I am very sure you don't have problem with English but if other way round, I will advice you to go back to Primary 1. Your own muhammad is above allah, he goes against the commandments of allah in many ways in which youself knw about..