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LegalOpinion:
Listen to yourself. Her son send "millions" for her to invest and remain as a primary school teacher?

BTW you also forgot to tell us what the multi-millionaire son does "somewhere in South America".

This is what the government should investigate. It's not the job of Sarki.

Boyhood:
Listen to yourself too... Did she fraudulently get such money and still remain as a primary school teacher?
BTW you too also forgot to tell us what crime the multi-millionaire teacher commited "is it a crime for a teacher to keep millions in her bank account"?

It is a crime for a teacher or anyone to launder money.
Ignorance is not an excuse.

SarkinYarki:
That woman is not corrupt anything ,it's her son that's sends those sums into her account from South America where he says he does business...

What business is he into and why is he keeping the money in the mom's account?

SarkinYarki:
It's left for govt to prove it's the proceed of crime , the Brazilian govt didn't report that any money is missing in their country neither did and other law enforcement . If the govt is sincere why can't they return the money back to Brazil , why are they keeping bit for themselves to loot? By investment I mean building houses and some distribution businesses

The money was for no "investment".
The criminal son used his mother for laundering money.
It is obviously a proceed of crime which the owner is too scared to claim.

How can u call remittances from diaspora laundered funds?

I thought funds esp foreign hard currency cash ferried out of the country is termed money laundering.

Since when did fdi turn to money laundering?

But they cannot catch and forfeit funds / money stolen by politicians

GboyegaD:
What business is he into and why is he keeping the money in the mom's account?

He claims he is business man and the money is being sent to her to buy and build real estate for him, he has been in Brazil for a decade ...the thing of note here is that the Brazilian authorities havent found him wanting and say they can pin him to any crime but yet our govt is bent on looting the money ..if Nigeria doesn't want the money then they should send it back to Brazil...Can you see Americans always prove the crime before siezing any money , even in the case of Allen Onyeama can't you see their extensive evidence warranting forfeiture?

ivolt:
The money was for no "investment".
The criminal son used his mother for laundering money.
It is obviously a proceed of crime which the owner is too scared to claim.

What is the crime then ? Is it drugs or fraud ? Didn't you see how Onyeamas case was handled by the FBI? They had known he was bringing in money for years but didn't act till they knew there was a crime

Kai

SarkinYarki:
Don't mind the govt they keep hiding the backstory to make it look like the woman is a thief ...she has son that has been in South America for a decade and he is the one that's sends her the money to invest for her here in Nigeria

I kind of agree with your story
I seen this sort before ,,, a poor woman was very sick
And people begin to donate money into her account from abroad and everywhere . She sent her son to collect some so she could pay her house rent and meet other engagements...the bank refused to allow her son to withdraw money. Infact the account was frozen by the bank. The woman managed and went to the bank to withdraw by herself and found her account frozen.
She raised alarm and threaten to die there in the bank so th manager came out and then seeing her frail condition , allow her to withdraw her money.
Can you imagine that ...bank freezes her account without a court order , nothing . No evidence she stole the money . If that woman was not very sick and frail , they would never have allows her to withdraw money
They would have insisted on it and steal all of her money
Banks now colluding with government agencies to steal citizens money using money laundering as a cover

LegalOpinion:
Listen to yourself. Her son send "millions" for her to invest and remain as a primary school teacher?

BTW you also forgot to tell us what the multi-millionaire son does "somewhere in South America".

what concern you with what the son is doing in Brazil,so poor man cannot make money again in peace in this country,whatever he is doing let them prove it to be illegal,they will return all those money when the guy comes back with his team of lawyers

SarkinYarki:
This case is just a clear case of Nigerian govt theft , till date the Nigerian govt has not been able to prove that this fund is a proceed of any crime anywhere but are hell bent of using an unjust forfeiture to steal it ...You can see the make sure you don't have a clear back story of this matter ..For those who don't this woman ( teacher) has a son somewhere in South America that keeps remitting millions of Naira into her account to help him invest here in Nigeria , as per her lowly status the bank officials and Nigerian govt hatched plan to call the money suspicious and sieze it ..Till date there is no proof her son is into crime in South America , till date no south American govt has said there was crime in their country..it's a shame how we do so much to stop poor families from breaking through in this country

This is interesting and the Woman's Family Lawyer is just mute because you have raised an important issues here in this Forum!

SarkinYarki:
The case has been on for a while , they want the son to come to Nigeria and defend the source and the chap said he is not ready to leave his business there yet..I would expect the Nigerian govt to liase with the Brazilian authorities to see if they have case against the guy but if they don't then they govt should give them their money abeg

if that guy steps foot into this current Nigeria...they may have him killed....

according to rumours..The Late Governor Alao Akala killed a naija US returnee who passed the night in his station for much less money than this while d man (Akala) was still a policeman...

Don't underestimate what naija bank and security officials can do for money....

All his fights should be done from diaspora for now....till he's gotten some good enough friends innkey places through whom he can now fight for justice but with guaranteed security

SarkinYarki:
What is the crime then ? Is it drugs or fraud ? Didn't you see how Onyeamas case was handled by the FBI? They had known he was bringing in money for years but didn't act till they knew there was a crime

The US is actually most notorious for seizing money without evidence of crime.
If you can't explain the source of your suspicious funds, it can be seized.

The FBI has a different agenda with Onyeama because they know the likely source of the funds
and are interested in ensnaring more suspects.
Whenever they don't know the source of a suspicious fund, they seize the money.
No prove of crime is actually needed.
Read more on asset forfeiture to understand how this works.

SarkinYarki:
That woman is not corrupt anything ,it's her son that's sends those sums into her account from South America where he says he does business...

Do you know what it means to be an unwitting accomplice to Money Laundering?

If the mother and son could prove the source of the money was legit, the courts will not grant the FG the forfeiture request.

SarkinYarki:
It's left for govt to prove it's the proceed of crime , the Brazilian govt didn't report that any money is missing in their country neither did and other law enforcement . If the govt is sincere why can't they return the money back to Brazil , why are they keeping bit for themselves to loot? By investment I mean building houses and some distribution businesses

James onanefe Ibori is a former governor of Delta state. he was accused by the EFCC of stealing funds from the Delta state coffers. the Delta state government came out then to categorically state that Delta state funds were not missing and has never been missing. EFCC took Ibori to court for embezzlement. Ibori was discharged and aquitted of all 174 charges alleged by the EFCC. Ibori never had any case against him when he left the shores of Nigeria to Dubai. Ibori was trapped by the British government like a rat and extradited the the UK. he was accused of money laundering, theft, extortion etc, and was convicted for a crime that was not committed even in England. now look at this woman's case. she is a primary school teacher. she is not suppose to have such amount in her account.
if you say it is her son that own it, then what does her son do for a living? you say he is very busy, so he is busy to the extent of forgoing over a million dollars to the government? how has he been sending this money, is there documentation? you said he sends the money for investment. what investment, why is the money being saved? from all indication, the source of the money is fraudulent. the government was right.

amc:
Do you know what it means to be an unwitting accomplice to Money Laundering?

If the mother and son could prove the source of the money was legit, the courts will not grant the FG the forfeiture request.

Well the Son has not been in Nigeria for a decade and says he can't come ...the painful part is that the money willl be looted by corrupt govt officials

Misterone:
James onanefe Ibori is a former governor of Delta state. he was accused by the EFCC of stealing funds from the Delta state coffers. the Delta state government came out then to categorically state that Delta state funds were not missing and has never been missing. EFCC took Ibori to court for embezzlement. Ibori was discharged and aquitted of all 174 charges alleged by the EFCC. Ibori never had any case against him when he left the shores of Nigeria to Dubai. Ibori was trapped by the British government like a rat and extradited the the UK. he was accused of money laundering, theft, extortion etc, and was convicted for a crime that was not committed even in England. now look at this woman's case. she is a primary school teacher. she is not suppose to have such amount in her account.
if you say it is her son that own it, then what does her son do for a living? you say he is very busy, so he is busy to the extent of forgoing over a million dollars to the government? how has he been sending this money, is there documentation? you said he sends the money for investment. what investment, why is the money being saved? from all indication, the source of the money is fraudulent. the government was right.

In Iboris case the Federal Govt of Nigeria and Kenyan Billionaire already reported him for corruption to the British govt ...This case is different, in such a case I would expect the govt to heavily tax the money and give them the rest since no crime has been pinned to it and it was sent through proper banking channels

Na civil servants dey teach politicians how to steal

SarkinYarki:
Don't mind the govt they keep hiding the backstory to make it look like the woman is a thief ...she has son that has been in South America for a decade and he is the one that's sends her the money to invest for her here in Nigeria

And what Business is the son involved in?
Do you know if he's into drugs, fraud or some shady deals?
A lot of people staying in the USA for over 25 years can't even boast of 20 million in their account.

Shusher:
And what Business is the son involved in?
Do you know if he's into drugs, fraud or some shady deals?
A lot of people staying in the USA for over 25 years can't even boast of 20 million in their account.

If he is into drugs it's left for either the Brazillian or Nigerian authorities to prove it..The Brazilians say the have no reason to suspect him .

ivolt:
The US is actually most notorious for seizing money without evidence of crime.
If you can't explain the source of your suspicious funds, it can be seized.

The FBI has a different agenda with Onyeama because they know the likely source of the funds
and are interested in ensnaring more suspects.
Whenever they don't know the source of a suspicious fund, they seize the money.
No prove of crime is actually needed.
Read more on asset forfeiture to understand how this works.

But note below, a bill to abolish it is on the table

PoliteActivist:
But note below, a bill to abolish it is on the table

This is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
Moreover, there are different kind of forfeitures and this proposal only touch on one them.
Even if a person escape forfeiture they still have the IRS to deal with.

Assuming you live in Nigeria, you should be more concerned about the legal consequences
of unexplained wealth here rather than some futuristic scenario in another country.
Right now, there is a bill in the house that will make life extremely difficult for people with sudden wealth
from suspicious sources. It will empower the government to seize as much as it can without the need to
prove a crime.

That money is huge oo wow

I never believed civil servants are also formidable thieves like politicians until I saw a nut executive who has built 10 houses.

ivolt:
This is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
Moreover, there are different kind of forfeitures and this proposal only touch on one them.
Even if a person escape forfeiture they still have the IRS to deal with.

Assuming you live in Nigeria, you should be more concerned about the legal consequences
of unexplained wealth here rather than some futuristic scenario in another country.
Right now, there is a bill in the house that will make life extremely difficult for people with sudden wealth
from suspicious sources. It will empower the government to seize as much as it can without the need to
prove a crime.

I don't believe that kind bill fit pass for 9ja. When all the people who will vote to pass the bill are crooks doing same thing!

SarkinYarki:
He claims he is business man and the money is being sent to her to buy and build real estate for him, he has been in Brazil for a decade ...the thing of note here is that the Brazilian authorities havent found him wanting and say they can pin him to any crime but yet our govt is bent on looting the money ..if Nigeria doesn't want the money then they should send it back to Brazil...Can you see Americans always prove the crime before siezing any money , even in the case of Allen Onyeama can't you see their extensive evidence warranting forfeiture?

If they can't, he should get a reasonable lawyer and he will surely get back his funds.

GboyegaD:
If they can't, he should get a reasonable lawyer and he will surely get back his funds.

He should have used bitcoin. Problem solved. That's why they banned crypto. Moving large sums of money from one country to another has always been a problem for crooks - after you get away with the crime, moving the money to your desired country is not easy.

SarkinYarki:
In Iboris case the Federal Govt of Nigeria and Kenyan Billionaire already reported him for corruption to the British govt ...This case is different, in such a case I would expect the govt to heavily tax the money and give them the rest since no crime has been pinned to it and it was sent through proper banking channels

you guys like listening to beer parlour gossips. so the nigerian government and a Kenyan billionaire reported Ibori to the British government to arrest Ibori in Dubai! the British government is now world police abi? and which Kenyan billionaire is that if I may ask? that aside,you are just rigmaroling. please what does the son do for a living to have that amount of money? cause for you to sent such amount of money from another country your business must be popular ( a CEO, celebrity, sportsman, footballer, etc). a nonentity can only send such money if he deals on drugs. or yahoo yahoo.

Misterone:
you guys like listening to beer parlour gossips. so the nigerian government and a Kenyan billionaire reported Ibori to the British government to arrest Ibori in Dubai! the British government is now world police abi? and which Kenyan billionaire is that if I may ask? that aside,you are just rigmaroling. please what does the son do for a living to have that amount of money? cause for you to sent such amount of money from another country your business must be popular ( a CEO, celebrity, sportsman, footballer, etc). a nonentity can only send such money if he deals on drugs. or yahoo yahoo.

The Kenyan Billionaire is Strive Masiwa , he was even the key govt withness in that trial

SarkinYarki:
The Kenyan Billionaire is Strive Masiwa , he was even the key govt withness in that trial

Econet issue had nothing to do with britain. there is what is called jurisdiction. also issues of shares misagreement are not criminal but civil and you still have not answered the main question.
that aside. I know why you are heads over heels on this case. you are igbo and the woman is igbo. if not you know quite well that there's nothing like a son sending money here. the woman made that up. the money is most likely corruption or drugs money.