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How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 12:55pm On Jan 29, 2022
We learn that man was created in the Image of God. Or simply put, we look like God. Then again we are told that God is a spirit, How do we reconcile the two?
Answer
God is a spirit just like man is also a spirit. He has a spirit and a body just like man. With body parts just like man. But man and God have independent spirits that are ethenal.
How do we know God has a body?
We know this from Jesus Christ Who has a body of Flesh and is the express Image of the Father. Christ said, If you have seen me, you have seen my father. The father looks just like Christ.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by Nobody: 1:12pm On Jan 29, 2022
tctrills:
We learn that man was created in the Image of God. Or simply put, we look like God. Then again we are told that God is a spirit, How do we reconcile the two?
Answer
God is a spirit just like man is also a spirit. He has a spirit and a body just like man. With body parts just like man. But man and God have independent spirits that are ethenal.
How do we know God has a body?
We know this from Jesus Christ Who has a body of Flesh and is the express Image of the Father. Christ said, If you have seen me, you have seen my father. The father looks just like Christ.
it doesn't mean same shape . He's a spirit. It means he posseses same qualities as man, such as happiness, sadness, love,compassion e.t.c .

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Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by uthlaw: 1:13pm On Jan 29, 2022
Na scam...nothing like spirit,God is one and he has no son!
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 2:53pm On Jan 29, 2022
Vickyvice:
it doesn't mean same shape . He's a spirit. It means he posseses same qualities as man, such as happiness, sadness, love,compassion e.t.c .

Actually, Image means looks and even shape, not qualities. Note Animals also have happiness, sadness, and love.
If God meant to say he gave man his qualities, he wouldn't have used the word image as image does not imply quality in any sense. I believe God's aim was not to confuse.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 2:54pm On Jan 29, 2022
uthlaw:
Na scam...nothing like spirit,God is one and he has no son!
Is that your opinion?
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by peggywebbs(f): 3:03pm On Jan 29, 2022
There are some questions that will be answered when we transition to the next world. I personally think we have more issues here on earth to deal with. I think the spirit knows who God is and our flesh limits our knowledge. Probably because we are too overwhelmed by the weakness of the flesh, hunger, emotions, survival and more.

I also believe that the mystery behind God's identity is a good thing. I think we have been left with the nature of God....so if we know his qualities, then we know him. I think we bear resemblance to him in spirit. Our bodies were designed for survival on this earth and that is why we leave it behind when we transition. We have no need of the flesh or the weakness it brings.


tctrills:
We learn that man was created in the Image of God. Or simply put, we look like God. Then again we are told that God is a spirit, How do we reconcile the two?
Answer
God is a spirit just like man is also a spirit. He has a spirit and a body just like man. With body parts just like man. But man and God have independent spirits that are ethenal.
How do we know God has a body?
We know this from Jesus Christ Who has a body of Flesh and is the express Image of the Father. Christ said, If you have seen me, you have seen my father. The father looks just like Christ.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 3:14pm On Jan 29, 2022
peggywebbs:
There are some questions that will be answered when we transition to the next world. I personally think we have more issues here on earth to deal with. I think the spirit knows who God is and our flesh limits our knowledge. Probably because we are too overwhelmed by the weakness of the flesh, hunger, emotions, survival and more.

I also believe that the mystery behind God's identity is a good thing. I think we have been left with the nature of God....so if we know his qualities, then we know him. I think we bear resemblance to him in spirit. Our bodies were designed for survival on this earth and that is why we leave it behind when we transition. We have no need of the flesh or the weakness it brings.


Thanks for your opinion. Still no harm in asking or answering questions
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by Janosky: 7:43pm On Jan 29, 2022
tctrills:

We learn that man was created in the Image of God. Or simply put, we look like God. Then again we are told that God is a spirit, How do we reconcile the two?
Answer
OP, open your eyes of understanding and study your Bible..
tctrills:


God is a spirit just like man is also a spirit.
John 4:24, the God is a spirit.
Numbers 23:19, the God is not a man.
Genesis 6:3,did Yahweh say man is flesh?
Yes !
Is flesh a spirit?
Definitely not!
tctrills:


He has a spirit and a body just like man. With body parts just like man.
This OP, God dey excrete & reproduce like man?
Eyes,yes !
Ears,yes !
Mouth,yes! grin
Feelings and emotions, yes!
But , the differences is a huge chasm.
tctrills:


But man and God have independent spirits that are ethenal.
Man is flesh, Genesis 6:3. God is spirit, John 4:24.
Exodus 33:20, how many times have this OP seen God?
Exodus 33:20, You dey reason am?
grin
tctrills:


How do we know God has a body?
We know this from Jesus Christ Who has a body of Flesh and is the express Image of the Father.
Hebrews 1:3, & 1 Corinthians 15:45 NLT, references Jesus Christ in the spiritual realm where he dwells as a spirit with his God and Father, John 20:17.
1 Corinthians 15:40, heavenly bodies, (moon, stars etc.)
1 Corinthians 15:44-45, spiritual body (of spirit entities) different from fleshly body of men.
1 Corinthians 15:45, the first Adam is flesh in the garden of Eden, the last/2nd Adam is spirit in heaven.
So Simple and very straightforward.

tctrills:


Christ said, If you have seen me, you have seen my father.
Matthew 10:40, you have seen & received the Oga Boss when you receive the Messenger or Ambassador who Oga Boss sent.
"We are ambassadors substituting for Christ".
Christ is an ambassador for God his Father, @John7:16 & John 5:37,43.
tctrills:


The father looks just like Christ.
Yes !
Only in the spiritual realm, Hebrews 1:3.
John 5:37 & John 4:24 , Jesus said the God his Father NEVER lived on earth.
God is not flesh.
.
Romans 8:3, God the spirit sent his son Jesus Christ in the likeness of men, to the earth , the dwelling of all flesh. grin
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 9:38pm On Jan 29, 2022
Janosky:

OP, open your eyes of understanding and study your Bible..

John 4:24, the God is a spirit.
Numbers 23:19, the God is not a man.
Genesis 6:3,did Yahweh say man is flesh?
Yes !
Is flesh a spirit?
Definitely not!

This OP, God dey excrete & reproduce like man?
Eyes,yes !
Ears,yes !
Mouth,yes! grin
Feelings and emotions, yes!
But , the differences is a huge chasm.

Man is flesh, Genesis 6:3. God is spirit, John 4:24.
Exodus 33:20, how many times have this OP seen God?
Exodus 33:20, You dey reason am?
grin

Hebrews 1:3, & 1 Corinthians 15:45 NLT, references Jesus Christ in the spiritual realm where he dwells as a spirit with his God and Father, John 20:17.
1 Corinthians 15:40, heavenly bodies, (moon, stars etc.)
1 Corinthians 15:44-45, spiritual body (of spirit entities) different from fleshly body of men.
1 Corinthians 15:45, the first Adam is flesh in the garden of Eden, the last/2nd Adam is spirit in heaven.
So Simple and very straightforward.


Matthew 10:40, you have seen & received the Oga Boss when you receive the Messenger or Ambassador who Oga Boss sent.
"We are ambassadors substituting for Christ".
Christ is an ambassador for God his Father, @John7:16 & John 5:37,43.

Yes !
Only in the spiritual realm, Hebrews 1:3.
John 5:37 & John 4:24 , Jesus said the God his Father NEVER lived on earth.
God is not flesh.
.
Romans 8:3, God the spirit sent his son Jesus Christ in the likeness of men, to the earth , the dwelling of all flesh. grin

I would have loved to reply to you, but This is too long, I don't know which to respond to. Maybe you should have posted one point at a time. Also, none of the verses you quoted contradicts anything I said, I actually agree with all the verses you quoted. God is a spirit and so is man. Our spirits came from God.
You ask if God excretes. The bible did not say so we both don't know. Of course, I agree that God's body is superior to that of man but I believe God when he said he created man in his image.
God said he created man in His Image, not in his Feelings and emotions. If God wanted to say feelings and emotions rather than Image, he would have. I don't believe God does not know what he was saying.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by NNTR: 12:27am On Jan 30, 2022
tctrills:
How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man?
We learn that man was created in the Image of God.
Philippians 2:5-8b
5Have this same attitude in yourselves which was in Christ Jesus
[look to Him as your example in selfless humility],
6who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God
[as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes--the entire nature of Deity],
did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted
[as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it];
7but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity,
but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity]
by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men
[He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man].
8After He was found in [terms of His] outward appearance as a man [for a divinely-appointed time],


Yes, man was created in the Image of God, and to answer your 'How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man' question. It is because something like that is not an impossible thing for God to do

tctrills:
Or simply put, we look like God.
When a portrait of you is drawn by an artist or painter on a canvas, in which way would you say, the image drawn and as seen on the canvas, looks like you

tctrills:
Then again we are told that God is a spirit, How do we reconcile the two?
Deuteronomy 4:15-19
'15“So pay attention and watch yourselves carefully--for you did not see any form [of God] on the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of the fire--
16so that you do not act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved or sculpted image [to worship] in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
17the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, or of any winged bird that flies in the sky,
18the likeness of anything that crawls on the ground, or of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth.
19And beware that you do not raise your eyes toward heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and let yourselves be led astray and worship them and serve them, [mere created bodies] which the LORD your God has allotted to [serve and benefit] all the peoples under the whole heaven
'

John 4:24
'God is spirit [the Source of life, yet invisible to mankind],
and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
'

Exodus 33:20
'But He added,
You cannot see My face, for humans cannot see Me and live.”
'

There is no contradiction, keep reading on for the creative workaround that solves this seemingly problem, obstacle, restriction, limitation etc

tctrills:
Answer
God is a spirit, just like man is also a spirit. He has a spirit and a body just like man. With body parts just like man. But man and God have independent spirits that are ethenal.
God is not just only a Spirit, that is not made at all, as He is the Maker, but God is incorporeal, meaning, God has no physical body, whereas man, taking into consideration the fact that man is tripartite, is made up with, a soul, spirit and body, as created by the Maker, God.

Unlike the body, that is physical, the soul and spirit, are not physical. The soul and spirit constitute an immaterial part of a whole person or being, whether human or animal.

Now dwelling further on man, the soul, is the animate life, and actually, is that humanity side of man, the seat, where our emotions, senses, desires, affections, appetites, character etc all emanates out from.

In fact, the word, soul, even is used to refer to the whole person, whether alive on earth (i.e. land of the living) and/or after dead and transited in the afterlife (i.e. land of dead)

Wrapping up, the soul is the essence of what a human being is. The soul,is you, it is who you are. No surprises then, that, it is the soul that faces judgment, not the spirit and neither, not the body that stands before God, to give account for all the thoughts, deeds, words and actions did while the soul and spirit were housed in the body.

Focusing on the spirit, the spirit actually and appropriately, is ruach, otherwise known as, the breath of God, and in reality, also known as, life force. Now, at this juncture, it is necessary, to note that, though humans and animals have spirit, (i.e. ruach, otherwise known as, the breath of God, and in reality, also known as, life force) they however are not spirits nor Spirit (i.e. God)

The spirit (i.e. ruach, otherwise known as, the breath of God, and in reality, also known as, life force) in relation to humans, is the element in humanity that gives us the ability to have, not just only a connection with God, but also used to form an intimate relationship with God through it. Essentially, meaning that, part of what the spirit is used for, is to connect to God with, who Himself is Spirit, the Life-force, and giver of ruach, otherwise known as, the wind or breath of God

When the soul is the seat, where our emotions, senses, desires, affections, appetites, character etc all emanates out from, Proverbs 20:27, lets us know that, the spirit of man (i.e. talking of conscience here, and where as it happens, conscience, is one of the faculties of the spirit), is the lamp of the LORD, searching and examining all the innermost parts of his being, while 1 Corinthians 2:11, complementing, says, no one can know a person’s thoughts except that person’s own spirit, and no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit. You see, the spirit, doubles up also as a witness. It knows everything about the person, and this because of the 'record' it logs

While the soul has four faculties, which namely are: Consciousness, Intellect, Will and Emotions, now, as for the spirit, aside Conscience, the other faculties of the spirit, are Fellowship and Discernment or Intuition. It is when man’s spirit successfully connects to or connects with the Spirit, that it is becomes capable of knowing things of the Spirit (i.e. God). While the soul, is the humanity side of man, the seat, where our emotions, senses, desires, affections, appetites, character etc all emanates out from, even giving us a purpose and/or sense of life, the spirit, on the other hand, is the temple throne seat of God in man, it not only is, the nourisher of soul, but it also gives us a power of life, from tuning into the God frequency channel or station and receiving transmitted spiritual signals thereof. Somebody, shout, Alleluia.

Physical pain, can with medicine, be made less severe, but mental pain (e.g. sorrow, grief, torment, despair, anguish, depression, dementia etc) is less accessible to treatment. Why is this? It's because of being connected to who we are - our personality, our character, our soul. Try and connect the dots, in the the parable of Lazarus and the dead rich man

Yes, the soul and the spirit are connected, yet we know, courtesy of Hebrews 4:12, that, they are able to be separated and are treated separately

In summary, the spirit, is the spark of light, the living or life force in the body, while the soul is kind of interface between spirit and body

The body dies (i.e. physically), it is because the spirit (i.e. life or living force) has expired, so the spirit stops existing in the body, from leaving the body and returning back to God, while the soul leaves the body, and moves on to a waiting area, pending the Judgment Day and verdict of where the last destination of the soul, will be. The body, after the exit of the spirit, experiences physical death, disintegrates, to end up, returning back, to being dust.

tctrills:
How do we know God has a body?
We know this from Jesus Christ Who has a body of Flesh and is the express Image of the Father. Christ said, If you have seen me, you have seen my father. The father looks just like Christ.
1 Timothy 6:16
He alone can never die,
and He lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach Him.
No human eye has ever seen Him, nor ever will.
All honor and power to Him forever! Amen.


Aside from, the underlined telling, in Deuteronomy 4:15, John 4:24 and Exodus 33:201 above, we also see in Timothy 6:16, that apart from God, alone possessing or having immortality (i.e. absolute exemption from death), we see that because of the fact that He lives in unapproachable light, no human being has ever seen or can see Him.

Now, if no one has seen God, nor can see God, then how possibly can God be seen, if at all, He can be physically seen then? Well, the only way to answer this seemingly confusing question and difficult problem is, by giving an answer that goes like this: the only way to physically see God, is through Jesus, who is God Incarnate, meaning God in human flesh, God personified, so meaning that, God presents Himself available to be seen, the way that Jesus in physical appearance looks

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.

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Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 5:33am On Jan 30, 2022
NNTR:
Philippians 2:5-8b
5Have this same attitude in yourselves which was in Christ Jesus
[look to Him as your example in selfless humility],
6who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God
[as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes--the entire nature of Deity],
did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted
[as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it];
7but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity,
but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity]
by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men
[He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man].
8After He was found in [terms of His] outward appearance as a man [for a divinely-appointed time],


Yes, man was created in the Image of God, and to answer your 'How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man' question. It is because something like that is not an impossible thing for God to do

When a portrait of you is drawn by an artist or painter on a canvas, in which way would you say, the image drawn and as seen on the canvas, looks like you

Deuteronomy 4:15-19
'15“So pay attention and watch yourselves carefully--for you did not see any form [of God] on the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of the fire--
16so that you do not act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved or sculpted image [to worship] in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
17the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, or of any winged bird that flies in the sky,
18the likeness of anything that crawls on the ground, or of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth.
19And beware that you do not raise your eyes toward heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and let yourselves be led astray and worship them and serve them, [mere created bodies] which the LORD your God has allotted to [serve and benefit] all the peoples under the whole heaven
'

John 4:24
'God is spirit [the Source of life, yet invisible to mankind],
and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
'

Exodus 33:20
'But He added,
You cannot see My face, for humans cannot see Me and live.”
'

There is no contradiction, keep reading on for the creative workaround that solves this seemingly problem, obstacle, restriction, limitation etc

God is not just only a Spirit, that is not made at all, as He is the Maker, but God is incorporeal, meaning, God has no physical body, whereas man, taking into consideration the fact that man is tripartite, is made up with, a soul, spirit and body, as created by the Maker, God.

Unlike the body, that is physical, the soul and spirit, are not physical. The soul and spirit constitute an immaterial part of a whole person or being, whether human or animal.

Now dwelling further on man, the soul, is the animate life, and actually, is that humanity side of man, the seat, where our emotions, senses, desires, affections, appetites, character etc all emanates out from.

In fact, the word, soul, even is used to refer to the whole person, whether alive on earth (i.e. land of the living) and/or after dead and transited in the afterlife (i.e. land of dead)

Wrapping up, the soul is the essence of what a human being is. The soul,is you, it is who you are. No surprises then, that, it is the soul that faces judgment, not the spirit and neither, not the body that stands before God, to give account for all the thoughts, deeds, words and actions did while the soul and spirit were housed in the body.

Focusing on the spirit, the spirit actually and appropriately, is ruach, otherwise known as, the breath of God, and in reality, also known as, life force. Now, at this juncture, it is necessary, to note that, though humans and animals have spirit, (i.e. ruach, otherwise known as, the breath of God, and in reality, also known as, life force) they however are not spirits nor Spirit (i.e. God)

The spirit (i.e. ruach, otherwise known as, the breath of God, and in reality, also known as, life force) in relation to humans, is the element in humanity that gives us the ability to have, not just only a connection with God, but also used to form an intimate relationship with God through it. Essentially, meaning that, part of what the spirit is used for, is to connect to God with, who Himself is Spirit, the Life-force, and giver of ruach, otherwise known as, the wind or breath of God

When the soul is the seat, where our emotions, senses, desires, affections, appetites, character etc all emanates out from, Proverbs 20:27, lets us know that, the spirit of man (i.e. talking of conscience here, and where as it happens, conscience, is one of the faculties of the spirit), is the lamp of the LORD, searching and examining all the innermost parts of his being, while 1 Corinthians 2:11, complementing, says, no one can know a person’s thoughts except that person’s own spirit, and no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit. You see, the spirit, doubles up also as a witness. It knows everything about the person, and this because of the 'record' it logs

While the soul has four faculties, which namely are: Consciousness, Intellect, Will and Emotions, now, as for the spirit, aside Conscience, the other faculties of the spirit, are Fellowship and Discernment or Intuition. It is when man’s spirit successfully connects to or connects with the Spirit, that it is becomes capable of knowing things of the Spirit (i.e. God). While the soul, is the humanity side of man, the seat, where our emotions, senses, desires, affections, appetites, character etc all emanates out from, even giving us a purpose and/or sense of life, the spirit, on the other hand, is the temple throne seat of God in man, it not only is, the nourisher of soul, but it also gives us a power of life, from tuning into the God frequency channel or station and receiving transmitted spiritual signals thereof. Somebody, shout, Alleluia.

Physical pain, can with medicine, be made less severe, but mental pain (e.g. sorrow, grief, torment, despair, anguish, depression, dementia etc) is less accessible to treatment. Why is this? It's because of being connected to who we are - our personality, our character, our soul. Try and connect the dots, in the the parable of Lazarus and the dead rich man

Yes, the soul and the spirit are connected, yet we know, courtesy of Hebrews 4:12, that, they are able to be separated and are treated separately

In summary, the spirit, is the spark of light, the living or life force in the body, while the soul is kind of interface between spirit and body

The body dies (i.e. physically), it is because the spirit (i.e. life or living force) has expired, so the spirit stops existing in the body, from leaving the body and returning back to God, while the soul leaves the body, and moves on to a waiting area, pending the Judgment Day and verdict of where the last destination of the soul, will be. The body, after the exit of the spirit, experiences physical death, disintegrates, to end up, returning back, to being dust.

1 Timothy 6:16
He alone can never die,
and He lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach Him.
No human eye has ever seen Him, nor ever will.
All honor and power to Him forever! Amen.


Aside from, the underlined telling, in Deuteronomy 4:15, John 4:24 and Exodus 33:201 above, we also see in Timothy 6:16, that apart from God, alone possessing or having immortality (i.e. absolute exemption from death), we see that because of the fact that He lives in unapproachable light, no human being has ever seen or can see Him.

Now, if no one has seen God, nor can see God, then how possibly can God, if at all He can be physically seen then? Well, the only way to answer this seemingly confusing question and difficult problem is, by giving an answer that goes like this: the only way to physically see God, is through Jesus, who is God Incarnate, meaning God in human flesh, God personified, so meaning that, God presents Himself available to be seen, the way that Jesus in physical appearance looks

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.






Sir, in your long note, you never answered the question. From your last paragraph, you seem to be saying that Jesus Christ is the same as God. Please explain if that is what you are saying.
I never said God isn't a spirit, man also has a spirit so we are no different.
You seem to be arguing that no man has seen God but that isn't the point of discussion. We are talking about God's image, the bible says we look like God. We don't need to see him to believe this.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by AntiChristian: 7:08am On Jan 30, 2022
We look like God in having hand, feet, eye, face....

Though our attributes are limited, God is not bound by limitations.

And there's none like unto Him
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by NNTR: 8:06am On Jan 30, 2022
tctrills:
Sir, in your long note
Sir, there loads of answered question(s) in what you cynically call long note

tctrills:
you never answered the question.
I went far, above and beyond answering the question

tctrills:
your last paragraph, (i.e. the Personal text that said: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories) you seem to be saying that Jesus Christ is the same as God.
Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that is, be, God the Father and Son at the same time?

tctrills:
Please explain if that is what you are saying.
I dont believe this is a wise request to grant you, being that, the explanation will require a long note with content, that you'll struggle to fully understand or completely absorb

tctrills:
I never said God isn't a spirit,
I never typed, you saying God isnt a Spirit. Please note the capitalisation, making a distinction between Spirit and spirit, loll

tctrills:
also has a spirit so we are no different.
The difference, that you always dont see, is that your spirit, is not you, but rather, your soul is you and vice versa.

Both the soul and spirit are gifts. Only that the gift of the soul is yours to keep, whereas, the gift of the spirit, is not yours to keep, because when all is done and dusted, the spirit returns back to its owner, God

The spirit (i.e. ruach) breathed into you, is what triggers your first heat beat that brought you alive. You remain alive, for as long as the ruach remains in your body and let your heart continue beating. Remember that, ruach, is otherwise known as, the breath of God, and in reality, also known as, living or life force.

tctrills:
You seem to be arguing that no man has seen God but that isn't the point of discussion.
Coming from a principle point, I dont do arguments, so my apologies for not arguing with you.

The invisibility of God, is a biblically widely known fact, that even Deuteronomy 4:15, John 4:24, Exodus 33:201 and Timothy 6:16, helps us understand fully well about, but when saying 'no human being has seen or can see God' it doesnt mean, no one has seen God or cant see God, in other forms as the Angel of the Lord, the bush on flames but not burning, the pillars of fire and cloud in the wilderness or various other appearances not mentioned, but none of those experienced sighting of God, are the full revelation of God.

tctrills:
We are talking about God's image, the bible says we look like God.
Genesis 1:26-27
"26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness,
to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock,
and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.
27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them
"

Aside black, red, as the colour, is one of my favourite colour, as it conveys, an imagery and air of love, romance, boldness, courage, chutzpah, danger, thrill etc for me and also because blood most of the time, is red, loll.

Now, when the bible, as seen in Genesis 1:26-27 above, says: 'Let Us make man, in Our image, after Our likeness', it is conveying a message that, we, human beings, are to be a physical image representation of different attributes of God. Now God is incorporeal, but He created us human beings, to physically project the different aspect and different visual imagery and likeness of the Godhead.

Image is instant, while likeness is continuum. The latter, is evident in Genesis 1:27, as seen above. Notice that the mention of "likeness" is left unsaid, in Genesis 1:27. Why? It is because, while image is instant, likeness, on the other hand is continuum.

1. How Jesus is God and we are not, simply is because Jesus, is God and we are gods.
The presence or absence of the 'G' capitalisation is the defining moment for who is God and who isnt God.

2. How Jesus is not human and we are human, is not correct at all, because to start with, Jesus is, God Incarnate, meaning, God, in the person of Jesus, took on flesh, to become human, as a bottom line, result of that, Jesus has characteristics of divinity and humanity.

As for us, yes, we are human, with, work in progress, in view, characteristics of divinity. The Genesis 1:26 likeness, is continuum, just as I shared above earlier on this post.

Have you ever physically seen love, physically seen compassion, physically touched kindness, physically held favour, physically held goodness in your arms etc?

tctrills:
We don't need to see him to believe this.
John 20:29
Jesus said to Thomas,
"You believe because you've seen Me.
Blessed are those who haven't seen Me but believe.
"

Many need to and want to see but do not see. Many need to hear and want to hear what you hear on this thread but do not hear it or dont understand any of what they have read. All what they see the posts as, are challenging long notes loll

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by TAYO124: 8:31am On Jan 30, 2022
God has had thought for man all along , one of the four living creatures that surround his throne has the face of a man.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by Nobody: 8:43am On Jan 30, 2022
That's because man created God in their own image.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 9:29am On Jan 30, 2022
NNTR:
Sir, there loads of answered question(s) in what you cynically call long note

I went far, above and beyond answering the question

Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that is, be, God the Father and Son at the same time?

I dont believe this is a wise request to grant you, being that, the explanation will require a long note with content, that you'll struggle to fully understand or completely absorb

I never typed, you saying God isnt a Spirit. Please note the capitalisation, making a distinction between Spirit and spirit, loll

The difference, that you always dont see, is that your spirit, is not you, but rather, your soul is you and vice versa.

Both the soul and spirit are gifts. Only that the gift of the soul is yours to keep, whereas, the gift of the spirit, is not yours to keep, because when all is done and dusted, the spirit returns back to its owner, God

The spirit (i.e. ruach) breathed into you, is what triggers your first heat beat that brought you alive. You remain alive, for as long as the ruach remains in your body and let your heart continue beating. Remember that, ruach, is otherwise known as, the breath of God, and in reality, also known as, living or life force.

Coming from a principle point, I dont do arguments, so my apologies for not arguing with you.

The invisibility of God, is a biblically widely known fact, that even Deuteronomy 4:15, John 4:24, Exodus 33:201 and Timothy 6:16, helps us understand fully well about, but when saying 'no human being has seen or can see God' it doesnt mean, no one has seen God or cant see God, in other forms as the Angel of the Lord, the bush on flames but not burning, the pillars of fire and cloud in the wilderness or various other appearances not mentioned, but none of those experienced sighting of God, are the full revelation of God.

Genesis 1:26-27
"26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness,
to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock,
and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.
27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them
"

Aside black, red, as the colour, is one of my favourite colour, as it conveys, an imagery and air of love, romance, boldness, courage, chutzpah, danger, thrill etc for me and also because blood most of the time, is red, loll.

Now, when the bible, as seen in Genesis 1:26-27 above, says: 'Let Us make man, in Our image, after Our likeness', it is conveying a message that, we, human beings, are to be a physical image representation of different attributes of God. Now God is incorporeal, but He created us human beings, to physically project the different aspect and different visual imagery and likeness of the Godhead.

Image is instant, while likeness is continuum. The latter, is evident in Genesis 1:27, as seen above. Notice that the mention of "likeness" is left unsaid, in Genesis 1:27. Why? It is because, while image is instant, likeness, on the other hand is continuum.

1. How Jesus is God and we are not, simply is because Jesus, is God and we are gods.
The presence or absence of the 'G' capitalisation is the defining moment for who is God and who isnt God.

2. How Jesus is not human and we are human, is not correct at all, because to start with, Jesus is, God Incarnate, meaning, God, in the person of Jesus, took on flesh, to become human, as a bottom line, result of that, Jesus has characteristics of divinity and humanity.

As for us, yes, we are human, with, work in progress, in view, characteristics of divinity. The Genesis 1:26 likeness, is continuum, just as I shared above earlier on this post.

Have you ever physically seen love, physically seen compassion, physically touched kindness, physically held favour, physically held goodness in your arms etc?

John 20:29
Jesus said to Thomas,
"You believe because you've seen Me.
Blessed are those who haven't seen Me but believe.
"

Many need to and want to see but do not see. Many need to hear and want to hear what you hear on this thread but do not hear it or dont understand any of what they have read. All what they see the posts as, are challenging long notes loll

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
To summarize your points
You believe the father and son are the very same thus making God both spirit and flesh.
Basically you are saying that the Father gave birth to himself as the son.. interesting.
Would you want to explain Christ baptism. While he came out of the water, the Holy Ghost rested on him in form of a dove and the father's voice was heard from heaven. Did the father divide himself?
Also, In his prayer to the Father, Christ begged that the cup be taken away from him then he added, 'if it be thy will.' Since you believe he is one and the same person, was he having bipolarity of wills?
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by NNTR: 9:37am On Jan 30, 2022
tctrills:
To summarize your points
You believe the father and son are the very same thus making God both spirit and flesh.
Basically you are saying that the Father gave birth to himself as the son.. interesting.
Would you want to explain Christ baptism. While he came out of the water, the Holy Ghost rested on him in form of a dove and the father's voice was heard from heaven. Did the father divide himself?
Also, In his prayer to the Father, Christ begged that the cup be taken away from him then he added, 'if it be thy will.' Since you believe he is one and the same person, was he having bipolarity of wills?
Lets cut to the chase.
Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that it is, impossible for God to be, God the Father and Son, at the same time? (i.e. to simultaneously exist in Heaven as God, the Father and as Jesus, when He was on earth)

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 11:42am On Jan 30, 2022
NNTR:
Lets cut to the chase.
Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that it is, impossible for God to be, God the Father and Son, at the same time? (i.e. to simultaneously exist in Heaven as God, the Father and as Jesus, when He was on earth)

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
I see it as a deceitful game. One does not pray to himself. Why beg the father to take the cup from you when you are the father. It's very deceitful

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Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by NNTR: 2:29pm On Jan 30, 2022
tctrills:
see it as a deceitful game.
There's nothing more deceitful than the hypocrisy of appearing to be sincere and truthful, but trying very hard not to evade giving honest answer to the question being asked

Avoiding giving answers to questions asked is what in order to stop facing up to facts and reality, is what cowards do

tctrills:
One does not pray to himself.
I can speak for myself, that, I normally and often regularly pray to myself and I can't imagine why anyone would think there is something wrong with that.

tctrills:
Why beg the father to take the cup from you when you are the father. It's very deceitful
John 11:40-42
40Jesus said to her,
“Did I not say to you that if you believe [in Me], you will see the glory of God [the expression of His excellence]?”
41So they took away the stone. And Jesus raised His eyes [toward heaven] and said,
“Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.
42I knew that You always hear Me and listen to Me; but I have said this because of the people standing around,
so that they may believe that You have sent Me [and that You have made Me Your representative].”


It is called, leading by example, the stuff that good leaders often do. It is praying to the Father, for the benefit of those and any in hearing to copy, imitate and/or emulate. Now who else should He beg, if not, in the first instance, the Person, who sent Him on an errand. Hmm?

I know you arent no coward, so I will re-ask the question again. Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that it is, impossible for God to be, God the Father and Son, at the same time? (i.e. to simultaneously exist in Heaven as God, the Father and as Jesus, when He was on earth)

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by Janosky: 3:28pm On Jan 30, 2022
tctrills:


I would have loved to reply to you, but This is too long, I don't know which to respond to. Maybe you should have posted one point at a time. Also, none of the verses you quoted contradicts anything I said, I actually agree with all the verses you quoted. God is a spirit and so is man. Our spirits came from God.
You ask if God excretes. The bible did not say so we both don't know. Of course, I agree that God's body is superior to that of man but I believe God when he said he created man in his image.
God said he created man in His Image, not in his Feelings and emotions. If God wanted to say feelings and emotions rather than Image, he would have. I don't believe God does not know what he was saying.


God never said man is a spirit, Genesis 6:3.
Exodus 33:20, flesh can not see spirit.
Acts 9:3-6, Paul heard Jesus voice speaking, did he see Jesus?
Definitely not !
1 Corinthians 15:45, (NLT)Jesus is the life giving spirit in heaven after his resurrection.

Please don't get me wrong, I never said God said he created man in his Feelings and emotions.

My point is , from the Bible,God have feelings & emotions. For example,anger, Psalms 103:9.
God is happy and rejoice (emotions), when a sinner repents.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by Janosky: 3:31pm On Jan 30, 2022
NNTR:
Lets cut to the chase.
Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that it is, impossible for God to be, God the Father and Son, at the same time? (i.e. to simultaneously exist in Heaven as God, the Father and as Jesus, when He was on earth)

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Jesus Christ says capital No !
John 14:1.
Matthew 6:9.
John 17:24.
John 20:17.
Revelation 3:5,12
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 4:20pm On Jan 30, 2022
Janosky:


God never said man is a spirit, Genesis 6:3.
Exodus 33:20, flesh can not see spirit.
Acts 9:3-6, Paul heard Jesus voice speaking, did he see Jesus?
Definitely not !
1 Corinthians 15:45, (NLT)Jesus is the life giving spirit in heaven after his resurrection.

Please don't get me wrong, I never said God said he created man in his Feelings and emotions.

My point is , from the Bible,God have feelings & emotions. For example,anger, Psalms 103:9.
God is happy and rejoice (emotions), when a sinner repents.


We all know God has feelings and emotions that's not the point here. Animals also have feelings and emotions and he created them too.
Seeing God is another topics as we know Moses spoke with God face to face.
Peter and the rest of the Apostles saw the resurrected Christ. He clearly told them he was not a spirit. So even if Paul did not see him, others did.

I never claimed Jesus or his Father are not spirits. But so is man.
The resurrected Christ had his spirit in a body just like his father. Man was created after that model.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by NNTR: 4:32pm On Jan 30, 2022
Janosky:
Jesus Christ says capital No !
John 14:1.
Matthew 6:9.
John 17:24.
John 20:17.
Revelation 3:5,12
Janosky, it is dishonest to list John 14:1, Matthew 6:9, John 17:24, John 20:17 and Revelation 3:5,12 as a response to the 'Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that it is, impossible for God to be, God the Father and Son, at the same time? (i.e. to simultaneously exist in Heaven as God, the Father and as Jesus, when He was on earth) especially when none of the John 14:1, Matthew 6:9, John 17:24, John 20:17 and Revelation 3:5,12 listed verses, has Jesus unequivocally denying that He is not God, but I'll let your misrepresentation of the truth slide, plainly because, I want to give you another chance to face up to the truth, which will be from asking for your sincere and truthful reply to the following question below:

1. Aside from you, who in heaven and/or the whole wide world, possibly can know and tell what your thoughts in your mind are, right now and even better still, who in heaven and/or the whole wide world, possibly can know and tell in full detail, what in your mind, you plan in the future, to do?

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 4:41pm On Jan 30, 2022
NNTR:
There's nothing more deceitful than the hypocrisy of appearing to be sincere and truthful, but trying very hard not to evade giving honest answer to the question being asked

Avoiding giving answers to questions asked is what in order to stop facing up to facts and reality, is what cowards do

I can speak for myself, that, I normally and often regularly pray to myself and I can't imagine why anyone would think there is something wrong with that.

John 11:40-42
40Jesus said to her,
“Did I not say to you that if you believe [in Me], you will see the glory of God [the expression of His excellence]?”
41So they took away the stone. And Jesus raised His eyes [toward heaven] and said,
“Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.
42I knew that You always hear Me and listen to Me; but I have said this because of the people standing around,
so that they may believe that You have sent Me [and that You have made Me Your representative].”


It is called, leading by example, the stuff that good leaders often do. It is praying to the Father, for the benefit of those and any in hearing to copy, imitate and/or emulate. Now who else should He beg, if not, in the first instance, the Person, who sent Him on an errand. Hmm?

I know you arent no coward, so I will re-ask the question again. Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that it is, impossible for God to be, God the Father and Son, at the same time? (i.e. to simultaneously exist in Heaven as God, the Father and as Jesus, when He was on earth)

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Praying means to ask something from someone. Honestly. Only a mad person prays to himself. Since you have the ability to give yourself anything you own, you donto need to pray to yourself unless you are being dishonest here.
I imagine you would pray to yourself to give you your money in the bank.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by NNTR: 5:12pm On Jan 30, 2022
tctrills:
Praying means to ask something from someone.
Yes, something like that, so, in essence, tell now, if or not, you have prayed to yourself, meaning, if or not you have ever ask something from yourself.

tctrills:
Honestly. Only a mad person prays to himself.
You're talking like this in a shallow minded way because you havent thought this fully through

tctrills:
Since you have the ability to give yourself anything you own, you donto need to pray to yourself unless you are being dishonest here.
I know my limits. I know my potentials, so when I pray to myself, it is usually done within the scope of my limits, strength and potential, loll.

tctrills:
I imagine you would pray to yourself to give you your money in the bank.
I go to banks to cash the money I had earlier prayed to myself to make and when I slot in my bank card in to the ATM, money thereafter is given to me.

Now being that, I know you arent no coward, and you arent intentionally trying to evade the question I asked you, I will, at this juncture, re-ask the same question again. Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that it is, impossible for God to be, God the Father and Son, at the same time? (i.e. to simultaneously exist in Heaven as God, the Father and as Jesus, when He was on earth)

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 5:40pm On Jan 30, 2022
NNTR:
Yes, something like that, so, in essence, tell now, if or not, you have prayed to yourself, meaning, if or not you have ever ask something from yourself.

You're talking like this in a shallow minded way because you havent thought this fully through

I know my limits. I know my potentials, so when I pray to myself, it is usually done within the scope of my limits, strength and potential, loll.

I go to banks to cash the money I had earlier prayed to myself to make and when I slot in my bank card in to the ATM, money thereafter is given to me.

Now being that, I know you arent no coward, and you arent intentionally trying to evade the question I asked you, I will, at this juncture, re-ask the same question again. Do you take it, as an impossible thing, for God to do, that it is, impossible for God to be, God the Father and Son, at the same time? (i.e. to simultaneously exist in Heaven as God, the Father and as Jesus, when He was on earth)

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
I already answered. It's impossible for God to deceive.
Dividing himself into 3 and calling himself his begotten son would be fraudulent. I don't believe God is fraudulent hence I think it's clearly impossible for God to cook up such a scheme
Also, if you know your limits and potential, you don't need to take permission from yourself.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by NNTR: 6:41pm On Jan 30, 2022
tctrills:
I already answered. It's impossible for God to deceive.
You did not answer the question. What you did was to dishonestly twist the question to then give an inappropriate answer to suit your deception answer

The power to declare that someone's sins are forgiven, the display, demonstration and execution of the power of God through numerous healings, miracles, signs and wonder, incontrovertibly reveals and proves that Jesus is not unGodly but that He is God because the Lord our God is One.

tctrills:
Dividing himself into 3 and calling himself his begotten son would be fraudulent.
It will be a small, shallow and narrow minded person that fraudulently claims that God is a division of Himself into three.
Do you really think, God is limited to three?
What at all, do you know about what 'begotten' in its entirety, means, when used in context with Jesus?

When or if stretched, there will always be room in a small, shallow and narrow person's mind, so stretch your mind or better still, think outside, the confined and boxed-in mind, you are trapped in, loll.

tctrills:
I don't believe God is fraudulent hence I think it's clearly impossible for God to cook up such a scheme
Will you please strictly stick to the parameters of the question and stop habitually, introducing inappropriate words that arent present in the original question you've been asked

tctrills:
Also, if you know your limits and potential, you don't need to take permission from yourself.
Smh, where did you see or read 'take permission ...' in the post you replied to. Hmm?

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 10:38pm On Jan 30, 2022
NNTR:
You did not answer the question. What you did was to dishonestly twist the question to then give an inappropriate answer to suit your deception answer

The power to declare that someone's sins are forgiven, the display, demonstration and execution of the power of God through numerous healings, miracles, signs and wonder, incontrovertibly reveals and proves that Jesus is not unGodly but that He is God because the Lord our God is One.

It will be a small, shallow and narrow minded person that fraudulently claims that God is a division of Himself into three.
Do you really think, God is limited to three?
What at all, do you know about what 'begotten' in its entirety, means, when used in context with Jesus?

When or if stretched, there will always be room in a small, shallow and narrow person's mind, so stretch your mind or better still, think outside, the confined and boxed-in mind, you are trapped in, loll.

Will you please strictly stick to the parameters of the question and stop habitually, introducing inappropriate words that arent present in the original question you've been asked

Smh, where did you see or read 'take permission ...' in the post you replied to. Hmm?

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
I see you are very quick to aattack and belittle anyone that those not agree with you.
Anyway thanks for sharing your opinion.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by NNTR: 11:20pm On Jan 30, 2022
tctrills:
I see you are very quick to aattack
You see, what you want to see and turn a blind eye to what you dont want to see, what you dont want to face and what you dont want to confront or acknowledge.

I dont attack and even dont bite. Now, beside all of that, what you dont see is, the bark, is worse than the bite.

tctrills:
and belittle anyone that those not agree with you.
You're a giant, how possibly can I belittle a giant
I have no desire, no interest, whatsoever, in you agreeing with me. Why? It is because, it's better to walk alone, than, with a crowd going in the wrong direction.

tctrills:
Anyway thanks for sharing your opinion.
I have never shared any opinions of mine with you, if I've had, you would have seen my preface it IMHO

Thanks for running a long and also for not honestly, sincerely and truthfully answering the question put forward to you

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 11:25pm On Jan 30, 2022
NNTR:
You see, what you want to see and turn a blind eye to what you dont want to see, what you dont want to face and what you dont want to confront or acknowledge.

I dont attack and even dont bite. Now, beside all of that, what you dont see is, the bark, is worse than the bite.

You're a giant, how possibly can I belittle a giant
I have no desire, no interest, whatsoever, in you agreeing with me. Why? it is because, it's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction.

I have never shared any opinions of mine with you, if I've had, you would have seen my preface it IMHO

Thanks for running a long and also for not honestly, sincerely and truthfully answering the question put forward to you

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Whatever makes you happy sir
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by NNTR: 11:32pm On Jan 30, 2022
tctrills:
Whatever makes you happy sir
What makes me happy Sir, is when you honestly, sincerely and truthfully give answers to questions put forward to you. Good character trait things, like that, makes me extremely excited and happy

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: How Come God Is A Spirit And Yet Has The Image Of Man? by tctrills: 12:09am On Jan 31, 2022
NNTR:
What makes me happy Sir, is when you honestly, sincerely and truthfully give answers to questions put forward to you. Good character trait things, like that, makes me extremely excited and happy

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
And it's up to you to tell who is honest.

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