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Otuegbe:
Dishing numbers to Buhari anyhow

Swelling buhari head

zikter:
Any time you read, pay attention to details. The paragraph below was in the news, that is where PR got the numbers. Mind you, the air force did not tell you anything concerning the attack according to the news.

"An intelligence operative embedded in the local community confirmed that camps and warehouses serving as ISWAP insurgents’ ammunition and firearms were bombed by the aircraft"

I read clearly and understood all before making my comment.

So you believe that the intelligence operative was an inanimate object that did not need to run for safety while the bombing was going on? The intelligence operative, even if he could not use a normal camera, could not take images of events on ground to send to whoever posted him there as his confirmation? So he just said 25 by word of mouth and we all are expected to believe? Haba.

If the airforce did not issue a statement, how else would news channels get the information? Did PRnews without first checking with the airforce published that information? Or have you forgotten that the military updates us regularly with their successes in those areas? Do you not remember that images are frequently posted by the airforce and army?

While we pay close attention to whatever is published, we need to do some thinking too.

ArewaNorth:
Those who know how RADAR and other signal system works know how they can be counted. The fighter jet must detect, assess, range and target the position of the insurgents before attacking them. You need to know technical operation of the system before criticising. You

I'm very happy for being an Engineer because I can't accept to be so dumb in making some ridiculous comments!

Oga please do not make yourself sound dumb with your claim.

A fighter jet makes a bombing run in an area where there are forests, hills/mountains and rivers. Bombs are dropped where there are hundreds or thousands of people. The pilot Carries out his action on his given time with speed because he knows that his enemies there are equipped with anti aircraft guns. You expect radar to indicate the amount of people killed in that particular operation? Even in the rivers? And you believe that radar picked up the exact amount of people running and those killed while the operation lasted?

Bros why na? I no know the kind engineer wey you be? Maybe you be bedroom engineer.

Please do you not know that radars have their limitations?

Why did you then make a ridiculous comment?

Cantonese:
I read clearly and understood all before making my comment.

So you believe that the intelligence operative was an inanimate object that did not need to run for safety while the bombing was going on? The intelligence operative, even if he could not use a normal camera, could not take images of events on ground to send to whoever posted him there as his confirmation? So he just said 25 by word of mouth and we all are expected to believe? Haba.

If the airforce did not issue a statement, how else would news channels get the information? Did PRnews without first checking with the airforce published that information? Or have you forgotten that the military updates us regularly with their successes in those areas? Do you not remember that images are frequently posted by the airforce and army?

While we pay close attention to whatever is published, we need to do some thinking too.

Do you realize that the bombing was in specified areas? The person that gave PRnews the information does not need to be at the location of the bombings. Dead bodies in water could be recoverd in days after someone died so he dose not need to be running after terrorist to know how many have died. As a matter of fact, it could take days again for intelligence to be gathered and not immediately. For sending pictures to whoever send him, how do you know who sent him and if he had submitted the pictures to them? Did PR send him? This is at best an unofficial information to a news agency, of course they always have people that give them unofficial information even in aso rock. And yes, they military do update us on operations and if they do, they clearly state it there with the name of the spokesperson. This is not an official statement from any military source.

My point from onset is that, you people are already crucifying the air force even when they have not released any statement. Even if they do, you will still not believe them base on your line of thought here. People just believe the military has not killed or can kill a single terrorist. Why? Even if they release an official statement with pictures attached, people still termed it propaganda and what have you.

For the purpose of clarity, my reaction to you is solely based on the condemnation of the air force in this particular news. If you must call any one fake, it must be PR and not the air force who has not told you anything.

Cantonese:
Oga please do not make yourself sound dumb with your claim.

A fighter jet makes a bombing run in an area where there are forests, hills/mountains and rivers. Bombs are dropped where there are hundreds or thousands of people. The pilot Carries out his action on his given time with speed because he knows that his enemies there are equipped with anti aircraft guns. You expect radar to indicate the amount of people killed in that particular operation? Even in the rivers? And you believe that radar picked up the exact amount of people running and those killed while the operation lasted?

Bros why na? I no know the kind engineer wey you be? Maybe you be bedroom engineer.

Please do you not know that radars have their limitations?

Why did you then make a ridiculous comment?

Did the limitations of RADAR operations include open areas on targets that are attacked in the river?

Why should u bring forest and other factors just to dodge truth.

Is good that u know fighter jets hardlydrop bombs in thick forest because bombs mostly requires serious friction to explode!

Why is it that there are never any pictures when terrorists fall at the hands of Nigerian defense forces?

God bless Nigerian army.

nice job! Kudos to them.

zikter:
Do you realize that the bombing was in specified areas? The person that gave PRnews the information does not need to be at the location of the bombings. Dead bodies in water could be recoverd in days after someone died so he dose not need to be running after terrorist to know how many have died. As a matter of fact, it could take days again for intelligence to be gathered and not immediately. For sending pictures to whoever send him, how do you know who sent him and if he had submitted the pictures to them? Did PR send him? This is at best an unofficial information to a news agency, of course they always have people that give them unofficial information even in aso rock. And yes, they military do update us on operations and if they do, they clearly state it there with the name of the spokesperson. This is not an official statement from any military source.

My point from onset is that, you people are already crucifying the air force even when they have not released any statement. Even if they do, you will still not believe them base on your line of thought here. People just believe the military has not killed or can kill a single terrorist. Why? Even if they release an official statement with pictures attached, people still termed it propaganda and what have you.

For the purpose of clarity, my reaction to you is solely based on the condemnation of the air force in this particular news. If you must call any one fake, it must be PR and not the air force who has not told you anything.

I understand your clarification, but you seem to classify everyone who has asked for proof as one. Well, I am not in anyway arguing. I have not in anyway called anyone fake. I only asked how it was specifically 25. I asked if there was a count to ascertain the deceased after the bombardment. You asked me to read clearly, but you do not seem to clearly read my comments.

Now I am not crucifying the airforce. If the airforce has not made a statement or posted images to make us believe, then what is there to believe?

“Do you realize that the bombing was in specified areas? The person that gave PRnews the information does not need to be at the location of the bombings.”
That’s your comment. However I must ask you this:

If the person who gave PRnews the information was not at the location to make the count, how then can we go from mouth to mouth believing anything as news that was released to us?

In this age and time my brother, for such magnitude of action carried out by our government, hard evidences are given to prove the correctness of the action talked about. “Unofficial information” comes with complete details to enable people believe.

Now I am not against the airforce. I believe that they act within the confines of their capabilities. However certain news that we hear - as the public - need to be checked. The FG has told us this several times and warned us against fake news.

Please think about it all.

ArewaNorth:
Did the limitations of RADAR operations include open areas on targets that are attacked in the river?

Why should u bring forest and other factors just to dodge truth.

Is good that u know fighter jets hardlydrop bombs in thick forest because bombs mostly requires serious friction to explode!

Your questions are just funny “Engineer”.

“ Why should u bring forest and other factors just to dodge truth”. Bros are you measuring your comments at all? Where is the truth to be dodged please?

Have you asked how the terrains are? Have you not read how bandits in Niger state run into enclaves when Tuscano fighters appear, leaving women and children to be killed?

“ NAF jets bomb Sambisa forest, kill insurgents —DHQ - punch newspapers.
Adelani Adepegba
29 December 2020”

Bros abeg small small with yourself na.

Kindness22:
Nice

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And not a single Photo could be taken in all these extensive bombardment, deaths, explosion and drowning?
Not even the "after situation" pictures usually taken by Cameras on the Jet doing the bombardment or reconnaissance Planes?

God bless the Nigerian military but most times, what they say, smell too much like lies.

richiemcgold:
Did the military send a diver down there to count the figures or they just assumed the number anyhow?
Mr soldier, I no fit believe you because na Naija we dey. Show us the video na! If video no dey, where's the photo na?

Terrorists fleeing to cross the river can be counted from the aircraft.

They should have increase the numbers of those vampires drown to 1000 na it will be good for 2023 election campaign.

Madmohamed1:
where is your evidence or we don't believe your lie

go to hell enemy of progress

oyatz:
Terrorists fleeing to cross the river can be counted from the aircraft.

Because RADAR installed on the fighter jets can detect moving humans. In the river radar does NOT pick up. That’s why the question can up about how they found it was 25 people that drowned. If the river was a flowing one, how could the ascertain the exact number. In that report 25 seemed like the exact number. The word “estimated” or “assumed” would have been more preferable.

here we go again, again and again

Cantonese:
I understand your clarification, but you seem to classify everyone who has asked for proof as one. Well, I am not in anyway arguing. I have not in anyway called anyone fake. I only asked how it was specifically 25. I asked if there was a count to ascertain the deceased after the bombardment. You asked me to read clearly, but you do not seem to clearly read my comments.

Now I am not crucifying the airforce. If the airforce has not made a statement or posted images to make us believe, then what is there to believe?

“Do you realize that the bombing was in specified areas? The person that gave PRnews the information does not need to be at the location of the bombings.”
That’s your comment. However I must ask you this:

If the person who gave PRnews the information was not at the location to make the count, how then can we go from mouth to mouth believing anything as news that was released to us?

In this age and time my brother, for such magnitude of action carried out by our government, hard evidences are given to prove the correctness of the action talked about. “Unofficial information” comes with complete details to enable people believe.

Now I am not against the airforce. I believe that they act within the confines of their capabilities. However certain news that we hear - as the public - need to be checked. The FG has told us this several times and warned us against fake news.

Please think about it all.

"If the airforce has not made a statement or posted images to make us believe, then what is there to believe?"
Then the doubt, criticism or disbelieve should be directed to PR and not the air force as you insinuated. Mind you, the air force did not report any news to us and as such we cannot drag them on this.

"If the person who gave PRnews the information was not at the location to make the count, how then can we go from mouth to mouth believing anything as news that was released to us?"

I still want you to understand something here, on your above statement. Casualties are not reported as attack are currently going on, it is after everything calms down that you count. Now the terrorist camps are located in bushes outside communities, terrorist mingle with the locals, even impose tax sometimes on the farming and fishing activities. As a counter terrorism measure, government agencies have secret agents in this same communities like the one who spoke with PR unofficially. Now the terrorist died in water while escaping, the counting must have been done after the bodies were recovered from the same river the locals have access to, even brought to the community in the presence of everyone.

So you can see that, the person MUST not be at the exact location as the bombing was going on to count bodies. The counting is not IMMEDIATELY, infact it could be after days to weeks, when the area of operation is properly searched.

My issue here is the unwarranted attempt to blackmail the air force even without any statement from them.

Again, even if the the statement was official and it was mentioned that, an intelligent officer embedded in the local community reported so, it may not be totally incorrect, he does not need to be where the bombing was taking place when it was going on, he can access the area and evaluat the damage after everything is over.

Lies no images for evidence , how did they know that those vampires died in that river

Aufbauh:
Kudos to our troops!
Take the war to their stronghold,and make the'hunter' to be the hunted.
This is what they should have being doing from the past. Be offensive rather than trying to be defensive all the time.

They could not do it because they lacked the super Tucano. Past Presidents refused to buy it . Buhari had to do extra-budgetary spending to pay the US for it. It took the US over 5 years to supply them.

Thank God, we have what it takes now.

richiemcgold:
Did the military send a diver down there to count the figures or they just assumed the number anyhow?
Mr soldier, I no fit believe you because na Naija we dey. Show us the video na! If video no dey, where's the photo na?

Get acquainted with military operations. After airstrikes, the ground troops always move in.

I Said What A Pathetic

That is the meaning of ISWAP

All na wash! Ashiii!

Blackdisciple:
Lies no images for evidence , how did they know that those vampires died in that river

this govt can't kill their own.

zikter:
"If the airforce has not made a statement or posted images to make us believe, then what is there to believe?"
Then the doubt, criticism or disbelieve should be directed to PR and not the air force as you insinuated. Mind you, the air force did not report any news to us and as such we cannot drag them on this.

"If the person who gave PRnews the information was not at the location to make the count, how then can we go from mouth to mouth believing anything as news that was released to us?"

I still want you to understand something here, on your above statement. Casualties are not reported as attack are currently going on, it is after everything calms down that you count. Now the terrorist camps are located in bushes outside communities, terrorist mingle with the locals, even impose tax sometimes on the farming and fishing activities. As a counter terrorism measure, government agencies have secret agents in this same communities like the one who spoke with PR unofficially. Now the terrorist died in water while escaping, the counting must have been done after the bodies were recovered from the same river the locals have access to, even brought to the community in the presence of everyone.

So you can see that, the person MUST not be at the exact location as the bombing was going on to count bodies. The counting is not IMMEDIATELY, infact it could be after days to weeks, when the area of operation is properly searched.

My issue here is the unwarranted attempt to blackmail the air force even without any statement from them.

Again, even if the the statement was official and it was mentioned that, an intelligent officer embedded in the local community reported so, it may not be totally incorrect, he does not need to be where the bombing was taking place when it was going on, he can access the area and evaluat the damage after everything is over.

You keep repeating the same thing that you accused me of from the very beginning. Take your time to read my first comment and you will not find anywhere I accused or dragged the airforce.

Now note the issue was the with the counting.
Do not forget that government wants us to get information from verifiable sources, whether good or bad news.

Now that you have been defending the airforce and dragging me into it, who do we believe?

richiemcgold:
Did the military send a diver down there to count the figures or they just assumed the number anyhow?
Mr soldier, I no fit believe you because na Naija we dey. Show us the video na! If video no dey, where's the photo na?

U wey no believe urself wan believe someone Anyways, ur believe no change anything. Keep ur believe to ursef

Cantonese:
Your questions are just funny “Engineer”.

“ Why should u bring forest and other factors just to dodge truth”. Bros are you measuring your comments at all? Where is the truth to be dodged please?

Have you asked how the terrains are? Have you not read how bandits in Niger state run into enclaves when Tuscano fighters appear, leaving women and children to be killed?

“ NAF jets bomb Sambisa forest, kill insurgents —DHQ - punch newspapers.
Adelani Adepegba
29 December 2020”

Bros abeg small small with yourself na.

If they're attacked in the forest does that mean when they're under the shelter of the thick forest?

There are open places in Sambisa forest and military only attacked after taking some surveillance and reconnaissance using drones by ensuring that the terrorists are under soft target or when they're sighted by ground forces and signal the air officers for air reinforcements.

This things are not done up head!

No jet, I mean no jet among Nigerian fighter jets could attack thick forest targets and succeed!

Fantastic!

ArewaNorth:
If they're attacked in the forest does that mean when they're under the shelter of the thick forest?

There are open places in Sambisa forest and military only attacked after taking some surveillance and reconnaissance using drones by ensuring that the terrorists are under soft target or when they're sighted by ground forces and signal the air officers for air reinforcements.

This things are not done up head!

No jet, I mean no jet among Nigerian fighter jets could attack thick forest targets and succeed!

Bros, as we speak, I do not in anyway understand your point or what you are driving at. You talked about radars. Please let’s know what you are trying to say.

Stay within the issue discussed, which has to do with the amount of people counted and the location.

Let’s not miss the topic.

I NOR DEY LIKE ALL THESE KIND LIES!!!
Who the hell counted them to give such accurate figure?

Cantonese:
Because RADAR installed on the fighter jets can detect moving humans. In the river radar does NOT pick up. That’s why the question can up about how they found it was 25 people that drowned. If the river was a flowing one, how could the ascertain the exact number. In that report 25 seemed like the exact number. The word “estimated” or “assumed” would have been more preferable.

Okay bro