₦airaland Forum

Africa and madness.

anonymous1759:

Anything that’ll bring peace and progress to the populace is welcomed. Democracy is not for every country.

but the military don't change anything or most times do worse. They go there and become politician's. Of all the coups which one has been productive?

Sheriman:
Military who seize power from a democratic government through physical force will still loot all the treasury of the country dry for years without any meaningful development and molested the fundamental human right of every citizens. Oppressing harrassing arresting and detaining without trial will be the order of the day. Africans have already lost in the middle of Atlantic ocean.
It will be better for us to go back to our traditional way of leadership. I believe each African people have their own way of ruling themselves before the emergency of democracy and military.

This is the only solution. And the whites too know so.

YungTemy:
Everything is constant to change.
I am waiting for Nigeria's turn.

but the military don't change anything or most times do worse. They go there and become politician's. Of all the coups which one has been productive?

You want a coup in Nigeria when it is common knowledge that the military made us this bad

Blame France

Coups are very much welcome in Africa, if they are necessary to dislodge useless governments. The AU and ECOWAS should go and sit down, abeg.Of what use are they,anyway?

olas24u:
Democracy is not the best form of government and its not really for africans

So, what do you want? Dictatorship.

Life under army rule was just as bad as civillan rule.

Join a party, or form one, and be the change. Democracy is bad, but all the others are worse.

You won't last five years under army rule before you start calling for democracy. And yes, I have seen it happen , live.

olas24u:
Democracy is not the best form of government and its not really for africans

What's the best for you ?

Sheriman:
Military who seize power from a democratic government through physical force will still loot all the treasury of the country dry for years without any meaningful development. They will adopt authoritarian system of government with absolute control. They will molested the fundamental human right of every citizens. Oppressing harrassing arresting and detaining without trial will be the order of the day. Africans have already lost in the middle of Atlantic ocean.
It will be better for us to go back to our traditional way of leadership. I believe each African people have their own way of ruling themselves before the emergence of democracy and military system of government

Yeah, and what do you mean by #traditional way?

Do you want us to divide into 300 tribal countries, to be run by a group of elders who wont listen to the young...and who would decide to do things 'by the gods'?

By the way, democracy is not native to Europeans either...most of them were absolute monarchies till the 19th century....

olas24u:
Democracy is not the best form of government and its not really for africans

Africans are no longer Africans, but they are yet to be non-Africans.

We are too far from African system, and we are not near Foreign one.

Onyiiobi7735:
Coups are very much welcome in Africa, if they are necessary to dislodge useless governments. The AU and ECOWAS should go and sit down, abeg.Of what use are they,anyway?

Yes, and the past times we had coups, they were replaced by equally useless army governments.

Where do you think the people in the army comes from? The same mass of citizens the civilians come from.

Join a party and change things.

backbencher:
Yeah, and what do you mean by #traditional way?

Do you want us to divide into 300 tribal countries, to be run by a group of elders who wont listen to the young...and who would decide to do things 'by the gods'?

By the way, democracy is not native to Europeans either...most of them were absolute monarchies till the 19th century....

It should be modernized. African system can be modernized.

mvem:
but the military don't change anything or most times do worse. They go there and become politician's. Of all the coups which one has been productive?

Tell them, abeg. I don try.

The only millitary coups that I know of that were 'successful' were South Korea under General Park (who also was wise enough to leave economics to economists ), and Sultan Qaboos of Oman (who had to remove his father because his father had some weird paternalistic ideas about being a ruler, despite being literate, meanwhile his paternalistic ideas were keeping the country backward, while other arab states were moving forward).

All the military's coups in Africa improved nothing, and left legacies of broke countries, and leaders like Mobutu, who overthrew the corrupt politicians and became more corrupt than them while becoming richer than his own country. Or Amin of Uganda who was a megalomaniac.

Khaleepha5681:
It should be modernized. African system can be modernized.

What do you mean by 'modernized' african system?

Plus which system of the 300 tribes in Nigeria do you propose we try?

Democracy works. It is we Nigerians that sit down and refuse to take part, and leave it in the hands of the corrupt.

Khaleepha5681:
You should rather say,it happens less in anglophone ones.

noted.

WoundedLamb:
Sad, really. But who are Africans and who are the politicians? This would have made more sense if the coup was about kicking some foreigners out of the country. But the case here is that of a group of people kicking out another group so that they'd go and have thier own share. Both the politicians and the coup plotters are from the same herd. And military rule hasn't proven to be any better in Africa. In fact, if coup was an ideal solution, Africa would have been better today given how many of them we've had.

I may not have a solution myself, but I think this is an issue of lack of checks and balances. I know African leaders are very corrupt but we also have corrupt minded politicians in the western world. They just don't have the enabling environment to do whatever they want. I believe what Africa needs is a system. We need to be governed by a system where people are just fillers. There's an obvious lack of well defined institutions.

But who will create this system and subject himself to it?

Most infrastructure, development and currency valuations in west african countries today were as a result of military coups.
Yeah the military have got theirs but in some instances especially when the citizens are in support of them,they tend to churn out result. Though military coups isn't favourable to the populace, i think it's high time we try them out.

Useless unproductive coups

yuriy:
black man still has a long way to go

The western European savages still has a long way to go...if you don't know what is happening in Africa then pls keep it shut.

You don't know today western European savages are still fighting for control in Africa lol.

backbencher:
What do you mean by 'modernized' african system?

Plus which system of the 300 tribes in Nigeria do you propose we try?

Democracy works. It is we Nigerians that sit down and refuse to take part, and leave it in the hands of the corrupt.

Anything white man introduce to you, you just accept it....without thinking

silverlinen:
Most infrastructure, development and currency valuations in west african countries today were as a result of military coups.
Yeah the military have got theirs but in some instances especially when the citizens are in support of them,they tend to churn out result. Though military coups isn't favourable to the populace, i think it's high time we try them out.

We've tried them before and there's a reason we dumped them. Nigerians of today cannot stand a military regime. The same people that scream when someone is arrested for naming his dog Buhari. The same people that scream when Buhari ignores courts orders. The same people that scream EndSars when they feel maltreated? Knowing that all these are nothing compared to what's obtainable under military regime, how do you think these people would react when it's rubbed on thier faces that there's nothing they can do and that they could even be sentenced to death for screaming or protesting?

You're probably saying this cause you weren't there during the military regime and there's a tendency to believe the grass is greener on the other side. But trust me, when the chips are down, the Nigerians of today will always value freedom above infrastructure. A military rule would be a hundred steps backwards.

My opinion.

BigBashiru:
Anything white man introduce to you, you just accept it....without thinking

Says someone who openly called for rule based on a religion that is arab in origin.

Plus what is an african system? You guys just call for authentic things without an idea of what you mean

And since you dont like white man things, stop using laptops, computer, phones, cars, houses, and go live in a mudhut by the river without any power and light, since whiteman stuff is so distasteful to you. Mr authenticitae!

And when you fall sick, dont use modern drugs either..use some herbs and sacrifice to the gods. Since whiteman things are useless to you. Dont use car or rail or aeroplanes to travel, walk like your ancestor did.

Sigh

Onyiiobi7735:
Coups are very much welcome in Africa, if they are necessary to dislodge useless governments. The AU and ECOWAS should go and sit down, abeg.Of what use are they,anyway?

I could not have said it better. Well said...

WoundedLamb:
We've tried them before and there's a reason we dumped them. Nigerians of today cannot stand a military regime. The same people that scream when someone is arrested for naming his dog Buhari. The same people that scream when Buhari ignores courts orders. The same people that scream EndSars when they feel maltreated? Knowing that all these are nothing compared to what's obtainable under military regime, how do you think these people would react when it's rubbed on thier faces that there's nothing they can do and that they could even be sentenced to death for screaming or protesting?

You're probably saying this cause you weren't there during the military regime and there's a tendency to believe the grass is greener on the other side. But trust me, when the chips are down, the Nigerians of today will always value freedom above infrastructure. A military rule would be a hundred steps backwards.

My opinion.

You're missing the fact that the reason why Nigerians did that was cos they were pushed to the wall

Nyanabo:
What's the best for you ?

For development to take place you bring tge singaporean edperience .it was like a progressive civilian rule with patrotic people but its dictatorship

backbencher:
What do you mean by 'modernized' african system?

Plus which system of the 300 tribes in Nigeria do you propose we try?

Democracy works. It is we Nigerians that sit down and refuse to take part, and leave it in the hands of the corrupt.

We should combine the best parts of every tribe.

Which tribe is science and technology?

backbencher:
So, what do you want? Dictatorship.

Life under army rule was just as bad as civillan rule.

Join a party, or form one, and be the change. Democracy is bad, but all the others are worse.

You won't last five years under army rule before you start calling for democracy. And yes, I have seen it happen , live.

Decisions are fast in a china like commnist government,stealing,corruptuon or sabotage of any type is maximum penalty.

backbencher:
Says someone who openly called for rule based on a religion that is arab in origin.

Plus what is an african system? You guys just call for authentic things without an idea of what you mean

And since you dont like white man things, stop using laptops, computer, phones, cars, houses, and go live in a mudhut by the river without any power and light, since whiteman stuff is so distasteful to you. Mr authenticitae!

Philip emeagwali and many other Africans pioneered the invention of the thin film transistor but the Europeans claimed it to be theirsole province (inventions). Cars had existed in the ancient Malian empire before the brute Western European savages had a clue about it..... the mudhut theory is a theory of the bbc.

African civilization predates Europeans. Uve been brainwashed.....

BigBashiru:
Philip emeagwali and many other Africans pioneered the invention of the thin film transistor. Cars had existed in the ancient Malian empire before the brute Western European savages had a clue about it..... the mudhut theory is a theory of the bbc.

African civilization predates Europeans. Uve been brainwashed.....

Abeg, who invented the laptops and phone that you used?

And stop.all those Philip emegwali tales. Plus most of the tech he used was invented by white poeple

Abeg. Just be grateful for democracy..white man or no, e better pass anything for now, impefections and all.

In the Nigger Area they “voted” for a coup plotter to come back in his old age to rule them..... That is Black people for you, and yet complain when whitey is shooting them in the western world or calling them shythole.....


They hate the truth....therefore no amount of prayer is going to be heard by God who himself is truth...

olas24u:
Decisions are fast in a china like commnist government,stealing,corruptuon or sabotage of any type is maximum penalty.

Okay, move to china then.

Good luck

backbencher:
Says someone who openly called for rule based on a religion that is arab in origin.

Plus what is an african system? You guys just call for authentic things without an idea of what you mean

And since you dont like white man things, stop using laptops, computer, phones, cars, houses, and go live in a mudhut by the river without any power and light, since whiteman stuff is so distasteful to you. Mr authenticitae!

And when you fall sick, dont use modern drugs either..use some herbs and sacrifice to the gods. Since whiteman things are useless to you. Dont use car or rail or aeroplanes to travel, walk like your ancestor did.

Sigh

You have fallen victim to the narrative that all inventions are white till I read history. For starters read about elijah mccoy et all who contributed to invention and maintenance of trains. Its not oyinbo that invented planes it was worldwide researchers.... Western europeN savages are primitive...