dermmy:


What's wrong with Communism and Socialism as modes of production?

You think Communism/Socialism has connection with dictatorship? As if Capitalism is not evil. I know you don't have enough info that's why you reason this way.

You haven't read that democratic Communist regimes have existed in the past but they were truncated by the instrumentality of the America's CIA because uncle SAM saw them as threat to it own Capitalist sphere of influence.

Have you read about Salvadore Allende the democratically elected Communist president of Chile? That was toppled by the CIA and replaced with a ruthless Capitalist dictator known as Augusto Rusto Pinochet? CIA helped Pinochet to surpress dissent and he killed hundreds of thousands in that country.

What of Jacobo Arbenz of Guatemala. He was a true democrat but was toppled by CIA and replaced with a ruthless Capitalist dictator. That CIA coup in Guatemala led to a chain of events that claimed hundreds of thousands of lives in that country.

Those were capitalist regimes that U.S. installed so please what is wrong with Communism? As if capitalism has not had its own share of dictatorship and evil.

Fidel Castro started well in Cuba he was a free and nice gentleman but when U.S. started invading Cuba and using Cubans to plot assasinations against his life he had to change his ways and became dictatorial so as to instill fear into the people even at that the U.S. did not stop CIA tried his life over 600 times and failed.

During the cold war years those communist countries were on their own jejely while U.S. was using CIA to forment trouble in them. Unseating the weak ones who choosed to be democratic.

Interesting insight here.
I have always stated that the west is not a saint and I have always called out their BS especially when they turn their eyes to how the Palestinians are being treated or the fact that they think they get to decide the nations that can get nuclear weapons.We are talking about Russia today you can call out both without always taking sides.

That being said, I support government regulation to an extent which could be argued to be socialism if you use the American progressives context and how conservatives call them socialist and all that but I also believe in capitalism too with government regulation and the need for wealth billionaires to pay their fair share of taxes and be highly taxed as well.

I prefer democracy to communism and socialism I was not talking about their modes of production or economies per say I kinda like Karl Marx's theories but on the political side I do not like how they play their politics which I was calling out and yes capitalism/socialism is not always about dictatorships but in today's world many of their leaders are while some or if not majority of the people have a disapproval of the system most dictatorships of today is happening in socialist or communist countries

AmazonTopaz:


The next time you insult me I will report you.
It seems you have a problem with the media and CNN better fix it up you are the propagandist here trying to defend a dictator.

If you are smart give me cogent reasons why Putin thinks he is right to want to take over the sovereignty of Ukraine and former USSR states in 2022


You that is the propagandist in chief think that you are alright because everything is always a conspiracy to your type.

You are the one talking trash.

Shut up and stop pulling trash out of thing air. If you're going to debate with anyone make sure to always have evidence to back the claims you're making.

You claimed putin is after Soviet unification. I gave you a direct quote from putin himself saying "he who wants to revive the Soviet union has no head". I literally debunked the stupid and unfactual claim you made. Instead of you to acknowledge it you're typing trash for me.

The Russian empire is gone. Now the Soviet union is gone. IT CANNOT BE REVIVED. Putin knows this and he [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Ox99AgAAQBAJ&pg=PA225&lpg=PA225&dq=He+who+does+not+regret+the+break-up+of+the+Soviet+Union+has+no+heart;+he+who+wants+to+revive+it+in+its+previous+form+has+no+head&source=bl&ots=6M_mZewx8a&sig=ACfU3U2fa33xb33ENHHb-ecdn0asTkMWXA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwir7pmigIX2AhWHdt8KHfcKAKIQ6AF6BAgxEAM#v=onepage&q=He%20who%20does%20not%20regret%20the%20break-up%20of%20the%20Soviet%20Union%20has%20no%20heart%3B%20he%20who%20wants%20to%20revive%20it%20in%20its%20previous%20form%20has%20no%20head&f=false] acknowledged it [/url] a long time ago.
You claiming he is still after Soviet unification goes to show how brainwashed you are. It's like saying "oh the British are still after rebuilding their empire"

olugabbie:


He is not stupid. He made demands and he will get them.


I just don't want a unipolar world. Unipolarism brings corruption. A world that has two, three or four masters rather than one is what we need.

The US has gone against the UN to invade several countries. She has used Military means to democratise several countries especially in the middle east. In her bid to democratise the Islamic states middle east has been ruined. If not for Russia, Syria would have been in the same state with Libya.

The US has killed some many people & destroy countries all in the name of democracy. Unipolarism can not work in our modern world. The earlier you know this, the better.

Yes the US had done bad, that does not mean that Russia will not do worse or is any better, Ukraine will join NATO sooner or later and Putin will not get his demands he doesn't even have any demands he is just a dictator and a weakling trying to look powerful while uniting most of the world against him, the world has gone too big to be under one man.

I see no problem with democracy and it is arguably the best form of government even some countries in the middle east are embracing it the world will evolve whether or not you like it and people will always get to think freely without governent always controlling everything if you have a problem go to none practising democratic countries.

MangekyoAlt:



Shut up and stop pulling trash out of thing air. If you're going to debate with anyone make sure to always have evidence to back the claims you're making.

You claimed putin is after Soviet unification. I gave you a direct quote from putin himself saying "he who wants to revive the Soviet union has no head". I literally debunked the stupid and unfactual claim you made. Instead of you to acknowledge it you're typing trash for me.

The Russian empire is gone. Now the Soviet union is gone. IT CANNOT BE REVIVED. Putin knows this and he [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Ox99AgAAQBAJ&pg=PA225&lpg=PA225&dq=He+who+does+not+regret+the+break-up+of+the+Soviet+Union+has+no+heart;+he+who+wants+to+revive+it+in+its+previous+form+has+no+head&source=bl&ots=6M_mZewx8a&sig=ACfU3U2fa33xb33ENHHb-ecdn0asTkMWXA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwir7pmigIX2AhWHdt8KHfcKAKIQ6AF6BAgxEAM#v=onepage&q=He%20who%20does%20not%20regret%20the%20break-up%20of%20the%20Soviet%20Union%20has%20no%20heart%3B%20he%20who%20wants%20to%20revive%20it%20in%20its%20previous%20form%20has%20no%20head&f=false] acknowledged it [/url] a long time ago.
You claiming he is still after Soviet unification goes to show how brainwashed you are. It's like saying "oh the British are still after rebuilding their empire"

Keep quiet you are the brainwashed one what does going after Ukrainian territories and agonising over the fact that the states of the union should never have been free tell you? have you not heard about inferred or implied statements in your clownish head you think he would stop at Ukraine right?in your clownish head Russia has the right to invade Ukraine right what exactly is giving him this need to claim Ukraine if not for his thirst of the soviet union? Imagine trying so hard to defend a dictator and thinking that you are not a propagandist buying into their propaganda because of anti west sentiments.

sanpipita:


He did mention legacy of the Soviet Union being squandered, and all these posturing you people do here, you will still pick USA and Canada before considering living in Russia

And that's because you are stupid. America that is filled with homeless and depressed people. You must think everyone is as brainwashed as you. American prosperity is a myth sold to your dumb brain by their media. America is one overhyped shiithole

kponkedenge:
Both Donetsk and Luhansk are majority speaking Russian regions inside of Ukraine, I wonder what will happen now.... considering the EU is against the move.

Sanctions and nothing else.

AmazonTopaz:

Yes the US had done bad, that does not mean that Russia will not do worse or is any better, Ukraine will join NATO sooner or later and Putin will not get his demands he doesn't even have any demands he is just a dictator and a weakling trying to look powerful while uniting most of the world against him, the world has gone too big to be under one man.

I see no problem with democracy and it is arguably the best form of government even some countries in the middle east are embracing it the world will evolve whether or not you like it and people will always get to think freely without governent always controlling everything if you have a problem go to none practising democratic countries.

I love this argument. If you believe Ukraine will join NATO. Kindly tell me how... If you read NATO article. There is a part that says, "a country that has territorial dispute can not join NATO". Ukraine is not qualified to join NATO. Russia is only trying to kill that dream forever.

This was long overdue.

On the Tactical chessboard, this is a loss for Russia as Ukraine was never ready to implement the Minsk agreements and was just stringing Russia and by extent France and Germany on a wild goose chase. Ukraine refusing to implement the agreements and grant the Donbass Republics "special status" was to prevent the Russians from having a say in its affairs using those republics.

Strategically though, this is a win. Ukraine as a state has lost a considerable portion of its territory and seems to have overplayed its hand. Its ability to join NATO is now seriously in doubt.

AmazonTopaz:

Yes the US had done bad, that does not mean that Russia will not do worse or is any better, Ukraine will join NATO sooner or later and Putin will not get his demands he doesn't even have any demands he is just a dictator and a weakling trying to look powerful while uniting most of the world against him, the world has gone too big to be under one man.

I see no problem with democracy and it is arguably the best form of government even some countries in the middle east are embracing it the world will evolve whether or not you like it and people will always get to think freely without governent always controlling everything if you have a problem go to none practising democratic countries.

To convince you further that Ukraine will never join NATO. Here is Zelenszky interview with Amapour of CNN on Saturday.

The Ukrainian President told CNN that NATO partners needed to clarify a timeline on which the country could join the military alliance.

"Ukraine needs security guarantees," Zelensky said. "We are smart people, we are not narrow minded. We understand there are lots of different risks because of NATO, there is no consensus around other allies, everyone is saying there is some distance that we need to go between Ukraine and NATO that we need to walk. All we are saying is tell us how much time does it take to complete this distance?"

In earlier remarks to the conference, Zelensky posed a question asking why Ukraine had not been permitted to join NATO. "We are told the doors are open.. but the strangers are still not allowed," he said.

Moscow sees the growing support for Ukraine from NATO -- in terms of weaponry, training and personnel -- as a threat to its own security. Putin has also called for specific legal agreements that would rule out any further NATO expansion eastwards towards Russia's borders, saying the West has not lived up to its previous verbal assurances.



Source:-CNN

AmazonTopaz:


Keep quiet you are the brainwashed one what does going after Ukrainian territories and agonising over the fact that the states of the union should never have been free tell you? have you not heard about inferred or implied statements in your clownish head you think he would stop at Ukraine right?in your clownish head Russia has the right to invade Ukraine right what exactly is giving him this need to claim Ukraine if not for his thirst of the soviet union? Imagine trying so hard to defend a dictator and thinking that you are not a propagandist buying into their propaganda because of anti west sentiments.

You claim I shouldn't insult you yet you're the one now insulting me? What a vagabond.
Where did I say russia has the right to invade Ukraine. Because from the trash you mentioned me, you claimed I did. Point out to me where I said so otherwise I'll conclude you're just another halfwit degenerate lurking on this forum.
You still think putin is still thirsty for the Soviet union after I literally gave you direct quotes from him saying it's only someone who doesn't have a head that would seek a Soviet revival? What a mōron did you not go through the source I dropped or you just don't want to get your illiterate brain educated?
Ukraine used to be pro Russian until the west started making moves to drag her into the EU. Russia proposed a better deal for Ukraine and even Increased their trades. Meanwhile the EU offered Ukraine $680million to join them but the president chose the deal the russians made them declining a chance to join the EU. it was after this that the USA and allies supported protests and the coup that removed the president and replaced him with this pro west puppet zelensky. https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/event/2014-coup-ukraine please read that article on that link and get your empty skull enlightened. I'm too tired to type for illterates like you this evening

olugabbie:


I love this argument. If you believe Ukraine will join NATO. Kindly tell me how... If you read the NATO article. There is a part that says, "a country that has territorial dispute can not join NATO". Ukraine is not qualified to join NATO. Russia is only trying to kill that dream forever.

Lol, there is little Russia can do after all this is over the Ukrainians are going to join NATO they overwhelmingly support it.

Russia's annexation of Crimea, wanting to support separatists in Luhansk and Donetsk will only make the Ukrainians more resolved in their need for protection from the bully, Russia.

Ukraine will join NATO if not now in the distant future they don't see Russia as a friend and the history of the soviet union is not one that will make them bend to Putin

MangekyoAlt:


[s]You claim I shouldn't insult you yet you're the one now insulting me? What a vagabond.
Where did I say russia has the right to invade Ukraine. Because from the trash you mentioned me, you claimed I did. Point out to me where I said so otherwise I'll conclude you're just another halfwit degenerate lurking on this forum.
You still think putin is still thirsty for the Soviet union after I literally gave you direct quotes from him saying it's only someone who doesn't have a head that would seek a Soviet revival? What a mōron did you not go through the source I dropped or you just don't want to get your illiterate brain educated?
Ukraine used to be pro Russian until the west started making moves to drag her into the EU. Russia proposed a better deal for Ukraine and even Increased their trades. Meanwhile the EU offered Ukraine $680million to join them but the president chose the deal the russians made them declining a chance to join the EU. it was after this that the USA and allies supported protests and the coup that removed the president and replaced him with this pro west puppet zelensky. https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/event/2014-coup-Ukraine please read that article on that link and get your empty skull enlightened. I'm too tired to type for illterates like you this evening[/s]

I won't engage you further you are just a clown same clown who didn't know that Isreal had legalised the LGBT community.

You are not worth my time and go to the trash that you belong I didn't bother reading the trash of an opinion you shared

AmazonTopaz:


Keep quiet you are the brainwashed one what does going after Ukrainian territories and agonising over the fact that the states of the union should never have been free tell you? have you not heard about inferred or implied statements in your clownish head you think he would stop at Ukraine right?in your clownish head Russia has the right to invade Ukraine right what exactly is giving him this need to claim Ukraine if not for his thirst of the soviet union? Imagine trying so hard to defend a dictator and thinking that you are not a propagandist buying into their propaganda because of anti west sentiments.

Putin is a dictator. I agree with you. But he did something that i will forever cherish. He stopped the US from turning Syria to another Libya. A world that has just one master is not what we need. The US needs to be checkmated.

olugabbie:


Putin is a dictator. I agree with you. But he did something that i will forever cherish. He stopped the US from turning Syria to another Libya. A world that has just one master is not what we need. The US needs to be checkmated.

Indeed I am sure he did same in Afghanistan too. Lol

useni1:
And that's because you are stupid. America that is filled with homeless and depressed people. You must think everyone is as brainwashed as you. American prosperity is a myth sold to your dumb brain by their media. America is one overhyped shiithole

Lol all this energy still won't make you consider Russia over USA, go and live under Putin if you love him so much

Dictator Putin strikes again and this is nothing short of an invasion.

Some people do not see anything wrong with it they will support it because they are anti-west.

I am done with this topic I need to stop commenting on foreign politics here after all many nairalanders supported the twice impeached disgrace president so how can they even know better.

Mr dermmy I enjoy your perspectives on foreign politics I usually read your post and I will always be ready to be schooled by you.

sanpipita:


Lol all this energy still won't make you consider Russia over USA, go and live under Putin if you love him so much

Don't mind them

People who are gulping Russian propaganda say others are brainwashed, they said Russia are not aggressors neither do they want war, explain the rubbish that happened today

AmazonTopaz:

I won't engage you further you are just a clown same clown who didn't know that Isreal had legalised the LGBT community.

You are not worth my time and go to the trash that you belong I didn't bother reading the trash of an opinion you shared

Where did you get the information that I didn't know Israel legalized LGBTQ+? Perhaps From that cum filled brain of yours, again? Not surprised. I mean it's from that same empty brain of yours you've been imagining putin being after Soviet unification

Lmao please stop it. do you really think a worthless piece of shit like you is worth my time? I wouldn't be surprised if somehow did though you're not worth my time, bitch

AmazonTopaz:


Lol, there is little Russia can do after all this is over the Ukrainians are going to join NATO they overwhelmingly support it.

Russia's annexation of Crimea, wanting to support separatists in Luhansk and Donetsk will only make the Ukrainians more resolved in their need for protection from the bully, Russia.

Ukraine will join NATO if not now in the distant future they don't see Russia as a friend and the history of the soviet union is not one that will make them bend to Putin

The Ukrainians will not determine Ukraine NATO membership. It is NATO and i don't think NATO will accept Ukrainian proposal.

For your information. Ukraine needs NATO membership now than ever. If the West don't have the stomach to accept her now. It will never happen again.

By the way, this is my first time of meeting a female that is so much interested in Foreign politics. By the way, I like your insight.

AmazonTopaz:

Indeed I am sure he did same in Afghanistan too. Lol

Don't get it twisted, that was USSR not the Russia Federation.

olugabbie:



The Ukrainians will not determine Ukraine NATO membership. It is NATO and i don't think NATO will accept Ukrainian proposal.

For your information. Ukraine needs NATO membership now than ever. If the West don't have the stomach to accept her now. It will never happen again.

By the way, this is my first time of meeting a female that is so much interested in Foreign politics. By the way, I like your insight.

I know and
NATO will in due time I am sure of that.

Thank you for the compliment

olugabbie:



Don't get it twisted, that was USSR not the Russia Federation.

Many still refer to it as Russia.

Russia was the engine of the USSR.

AmazonTopaz:


Interesting insight here.
I have always stated that the west is not a saint and I have always called out their BS especially when they turn their eyes to how the Palestinians are being treated or the fact that they think they get to decide the nations that can get nuclear weapons.We are talking about Russia today you can call out both without always taking sides.

That being said, I support government regulation to an extent which could be argued to be socialism if you use the American progressives context and how conservatives call them socialist and all that but I also believe in capitalism too with government regulation and the need for wealth billionaires to pay their fair share of taxes and be highly taxed as well.

I prefer democracy to communism and socialism I was not talking about their modes of production or economies per say I kinda like Karl Marx's theories but on the political side I do not like how they play their politics which I was calling out and yes capitalism/socialism is not always about dictatorships but in today's world many of their leaders are while some or if not majority of the people have a disapproval of the system most dictatorships of today is happening in socialist or communist countries

Democracy can be practiced under communism/socialism too. Democracy is not the twin brother of Capitalism as the west wants us to believe that was a cold war lie cause Adolf Hitler was a Capitalist but we know that Adolf Hitler gave no freedom to the Germans. In fact Nazism repudiates Communism/socialism which means Adolf Hitler hated Communism with great disdain. He killed many Communists and sent many into exile.

Capitalism conotes freedom in the economic sphere but in the political realm it is not always about freedom. Fulgencio Batista of Cuba was a brutal Capitalist dictator that received U.S support. Suherto of Indonesia was a Capitalist dictator too. Anastasio Somoza Debayle of Nicaragua, Augusto Pinochet of Chile. Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam, Marcos Evangelista Perez Jimenez of Venezuala. Syngman Rhee of South Korea, Park Chun Ghee of South Korea. Let me stop here.

Countries that have practiced western capitalist system with dictatorship/despotism are much more than countries that have practiced Communism. So Capitalism does not translate to democracy.

AmazonTopaz:
I know and
NATO will in due time I am sure of that.

Thank you for the compliment

You welcome!

Kindly check this out...

Zelenszky was interview by Christine Amapour of CNN on Saturday.

The Ukrainian President told CNN that NATO partners needed to clarify a timeline on which the country could join the military alliance.



"Ukraine needs security guarantees," Zelensky said. "We are smart people, we are not narrow minded. We understand there are lots of different risks because of NATO, there is no consensus around other allies, everyone is saying there is some distance that we need to go between Ukraine and NATO that we need to walk. All we are saying is tell us how much time does it take to complete this distance?"



In earlier remarks to the conference, Zelensky posed a question asking why Ukraine had not been permitted to join NATO. "We are told the doors are open.. but the strangers are still not allowed," he said.



Moscow sees the growing support for Ukraine from NATO -- in terms of weaponry, training and personnel -- as a threat to its own security. Putin has also called for specific legal agreements that would rule out any further NATO expansion eastwards towards Russia's borders, saying the West has not lived up to its previous verbal assurances.

MangekyoAlt:


Where did you get the information that I didn't know Israel legalized LGBTQ+? Perhaps From that cum filled brain of yours, again? Not surprised. I mean it's from that same empty brain of yours you've been imagining putin being after Soviet unification

Lmao please stop it. do you really think a worthless piece of shit like you is worth my time? I wouldn't be surprised if somehow did though you're not worth my time, bitch

Of course this was not you.

Bye trash

dermmy:


Democracy can be practiced under communism/socialism too. Democracy is not the twin brother of Capitalism as the west wants us to believe that was a cold war lie cause Adolf Hitler was a Capitalist but we know that Adolf Hitler gave no freedom to the Germans. In fact Nazism repudiates Communism/socialism which means Adolf Hitler hated Communism with great disdain. He killed many Communists and sent many into exile.

Capitalism conotes freedom in the economic sphere but in the political realm it is not always about freedom. Fulgencio Batista of Cuba was a brutal Capitalist dictator that received U.S support. Suherto of Indonesia was a Capitalist dictator too. Anastasio Somoza Debayle of Nicaragua, Augusto Pinochet of Chile. Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam, Marcos Evangelista Perez Jimenez of Venezuala. Syngman Rhee of South Korea, Park Chun Ghee of South Korea. Let me stop here.

Countries that have practiced western capitalist system with dictatorship/despotism are much more than countries that have practiced Communism. So Capitalism does not translate to democracy.

Interesting and do you care to share @ bold.

In today's world socialism and communism are not really practised under democracies am I right or wrong?

olugabbie:



You welcome!

Kindly check this out...

Zelenszky was interview by Christine Amapour of CNN on Saturday.

The Ukrainian President told CNN that NATO partners needed to clarify a timeline on which the country could join the military alliance.



"Ukraine needs security guarantees," Zelensky said. "We are smart people, we are not narrow minded. We understand there are lots of different risks because of NATO, there is no consensus around other allies, everyone is saying there is some distance that we need to go between Ukraine and NATO that we need to walk. All we are saying is tell us how much time does it take to complete this distance?"



In earlier remarks to the conference, Zelensky posed a question asking why Ukraine had not been permitted to join NATO. "We are told the doors are open.. but the strangers are still not allowed," he said.



Moscow sees the growing support for Ukraine from NATO -- in terms of weaponry, training and personnel -- as a threat to its own security. Putin has also called for specific legal agreements that would rule out any further NATO expansion eastwards towards Russia's borders, saying the West has not lived up to its previous verbal assurances.

Thank you and no hard feelings. I am always open to different intellectual thoughts because life is beautiful because we don't always think alike and I respect that.
I can never know it all and I will always take corrections and learn where necessary.

Thank you and have a blessed week ahead.

Forget America, na Ukraine I pity pass. Almost all her territory has been taken over by Russia. Why didn't they join NATO since?

NATO and the U.S were deceived.

EgusiShankly:
NATO and the U.S were deceived.

Ukraine and other former Soviet territories were the target

I said it but one small trash came after me and said I was buying western propaganda I hope you are not buying western propaganda too since nobody can think for themselves where they are.

I will not contribute to this topic again.

AmazonTopaz:
Dictator Putin strikes again and this is nothing short of an invasion.

Some people do not see anything wrong with it they will support it because they are anti-west.

I am done with this topic I need to stop commenting on foreign politics here after all many nairalanders supported the twice impeached disgrace president so how can they even know better.

Mr dermmy I enjoy your perspectives on foreign politics I usually read your post and I will always be ready to be schooled by you.

I have nothing against democracy. I believe Russia will do the same thing that the US is doing right now if she is the sole dominant power in the world. Like China. They may even be worse. So i am strictly against unipolarism. The world is too big to have one master. The world needs masters. These masters will checkmates themselves and the world will be a better place.