Nemesis4you:




It was a ruse by Russians to have a bilateral meeting scheduled , which would induce doubts in observers regarding invasion by Russia ,and pak the unwitting scapegoat , nothing to loose for the Russians either way

And beggars cannot be choosers

I suspected that because of the timing. Actually, this is the first time in 75 years that the Russians were inviting a Pakistani leader for a dinner in Kremlin. It was suspicious.
Putin is a very smart mind.

jl115:
I disagree....Not the fact that African countries shouldn't invest in modern equipment BUT your notion that Nigeria should invest based on the Ukraine-Russia conflict for fear of "cruise missiles" and/or invasion..........None of Africa's 4 regional powers have the power projection capability to invade the other and only China, USA and Russia have the capability to launch a meaningful and sustained invasion across the ocean.....

Nigeria should continue focus on a more COIN based approach to procurement like it has lately hence the success against BH.

I disagree with you.

Nigeria, South Africa and other major countries in sub-saharan Africa need to invest in modern military equipment because economic prosperity can be sustained only when there is security guaranteed.

Citing Russia's military invasion of Ukraine, we need to have a military that can act as a deterrent to an aggressor. If an aggressor thinks about the high casualties they are going to sustain, they would be forced to rethink an invasion.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm also saying that compared to South Africa, Nigeria is in a geographically worse position.

The Nigerian army is currently an army designed to fight terrorism and LICW threats. However in the not too distant past we have fought wars against Cameroun and Chad.

Nigeria has to incrementally change it's COIN based military posture.

With the current world population at 7 billion people and growing, the effects of climate change we will see in the future wars fought purely for resource control.

A COIN posture won't help us then.

jl115:
France don't have the capability to sustain an invasion of Nigeria........Yes they can seriously hurt you but they ain't invading a country that is as big and economically strong as Nigeria...

My brother, wars aren't fought on paper. Forget about these arguments we keep having on pages of Nairaland.

Should the need come up they can allocate required men and material resources.

jl115:
France don't have the capability to sustain an invasion of Nigeria........Yes they can seriously hurt you but they ain't invading a country that is as big and economically strong as Nigeria...

Painfully, yes they do. I say let Macron stupidly say he wants to invade the Nigerian nation-state today, we have a high probability to crumble. The country is internally "divided". Too many people trying to start "something" against the government
Many Nigerian youths believe dying for the country is in vain. They'll want to be occupied by France because they'll believe France will give them free citizenship and visa to "japa" to Paris . Our military is overstretched. France will just need to get alotta saboteurs.
Start a pincer attack from Benin, Cameroon and Niger. Send the Charles de gaulle to the gulf of guinea. Raid all our Airforce bases with cruise missiles.
The initial attacks will come from militants in the Niger delta blowing pipelines and IPOB blowing key bridges over the River Niger. Bandits in the North West would be provided with support to carry guerilla attacks on Abuja. Then the French troops will land to finish the job.
Nigeria is so vulnerable to capitulation right now than ever.

kabe1:


I disagree with you.

Nigeria, South Africa and other major countries in sub-saharan Africa need to invest in modern military equipment because economic prosperity can be sustained only when there is security guaranteed.

Citing Russia's military invasion of Ukraine, we need to have a military that can act as a deterrent to an aggressor. If an aggressor thinks about the high casualties they are going to sustain, they would be forced to rethink an invasion.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm also saying that compared to South Africa, Nigeria is in a geographically worse position.

The Nigerian army is currently an army designed to fight terrorism and LICW threats. However in the not too distant past we have fought wars against Cameroun and Chad.

Nigeria has to incrementally change it's COIN based military posture.

With the current world population at 7 billion people and growing, the effects of climate change we will see in the future wars fought purely for resource control.

A COIN posture won't help us then.

Exactly, Chief. We need to plan big. There might be major conflicts in the North West, North Central and South East of our country. After that, we might have to fight one of our neighbours in a brutal conventional war. We need to plan. We need to be serious with our national development.

Nemesis4you,

Please call this Air India pilot.

kabe1:


I disagree with you.

Nigeria, South Africa and other major countries in sub-saharan Africa need to invest in modern military equipment because economic prosperity can be sustained only when there is security guaranteed.

Citing Russia's military invasion of Ukraine, we need to have a military that can act as a deterrent to an aggressor. If an aggressor thinks about the high casualties they are going to sustain, they would be forced to rethink an invasion.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm also saying that compared to South Africa, Nigeria is in a geographically worse position.

The Nigerian army is currently an army designed to fight terrorism and LICW threats. However in the not too distant past we have fought wars against Cameroun and Chad.

Nigeria has to incrementally change it's COIN based military posture.

With the current world population at 7 billion people and growing, the effects of climate change we will see in the future wars fought purely for resource control.

A COIN posture won't help us then.

Dumb Nigerians leaders don't see this. Their own battles is how to appropriate and steal wealth from the citizenry.

X

Incredible footage


Russian Mi-8 Helicopters Dodge Ukrainian Anti Air Missiles



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT9XGo23uAE

kabe1:
Nemesis4you,

Please call this Air India pilot.

Pilots must be praying hard not to have a Sam on their ass accidentally

GreenandGold:


Do you know why Julius Malema was kicked out of the ANC after calling Botswana "US puppets"?

It is because as weak as our neighbours are but if a country like Botswana could feel threatened, it would give the US or foreign power the legitimacy for a permanent military base... If you ask any SA military general, they'll tell you that any foreign nation that could stage a war from Botswana could match to Pretoria in a matter of hours, it's the shortest of all the routes to the capital.

So yes, our neighbours are weak but they could be used by a foreign nation in a worst case scenario.

only the US, China and Russia have the capability to project power to the extent you are talking about..... And not even if we were at Egypt level in terms of quantity would it stop such a power from invading.

jl115:
only the US, China and Russia have the capability to project power to the extent you are talking about..... And not even if we were at Egypt level in terms of quantity would it stop such a power from invading.

To project power on a overwhelming scale US has capabilities

Chinese on paper , in near future yes , though needs to be confirmed in action

Russians it's limited

kabe1:


I disagree with you.

Nigeria, South Africa and other major countries in sub-saharan Africa need to invest in modern military equipment because economic prosperity can be sustained only when there is security guaranteed.

Citing Russia's military invasion of Ukraine, we need to have a military that can act as a deterrent to an aggressor. If an aggressor thinks about the high casualties they are going to sustain, they would be forced to rethink an invasion.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm also saying that compared to South Africa, Nigeria is in a geographically worse position.

The Nigerian army is currently an army designed to fight terrorism and LICW threats. However in the not too distant past we have fought wars against Cameroun and Chad.

Nigeria has to incrementally change it's COIN based military posture.

With the current world population at 7 billion people and growing, the effects of climate change we will see in the future wars fought purely for resource control.

A COIN posture won't help us then.

mid to long term Nigeria and South Africa don't face any relevant conventional threat, our militaries should as you said be investing much more heavily wrt modern equipment however our doctrine should still be more focused on irregular warfare since insurgencies, militias, terrorist ect ect are our immediate and foreseeable future threat.... Its illogical to start spending money on threats that don't exist.

Purchases such as the JF-17, M-346(if true), Mi35 ect ect serve dual roles and will be equally effective for conventional and irregular threats.

kabe1:


My brother, wars aren't fought on paper. Forget about these arguments we keep having on pages of Nairaland.

Should the need come up they can allocate required men and material resources.

they literally don't have the resources

Stormtrooper11:


Painfully, yes they do. I say let Macron stupidly say he wants to invade the Nigerian nation-state today, we have a high probability to crumble. The country is internally "divided". Too many people trying to start "something" against the government
Many Nigerian youths believe dying for the country is in vain. They'll want to be occupied by France because they'll believe France will give them free citizenship and visa to "japa" to Paris . Our military is overstretched. France will just need to get alotta saboteurs.
Start a pincer attack from Benin, Cameroon and Niger. Send the Charles de gaulle to the gulf of guinea. Raid all our Airforce bases with cruise missiles.
The initial attacks will come from militants in the Niger delta blowing pipelines and IPOB blowing key bridges over the River Niger. Bandits in the North West would be provided with support to carry guerilla attacks on Abuja. Then the French troops will land to finish the job.
Nigeria is so vulnerable to capitulation right now than ever.

I never said they couldn't cripple Nigeria however they simply don't have the logistic infrastructure to invade and occupy Nigeria

jl115:
they literally don't have the resources

This is a pointless argument, as such I'm not going to engage further.

Nemesis4you:


To project power on a overwhelming scale US has capabilities

Chinese on paper , in near future yes , though needs to be confirmed in action

Russians it's limited

exactly

kabe1:


This is a pointless argument, as such I'm not going to engage further.

just look at Nemesis4you 's reply to me.... I was being kind saying Russia and China have the sort of force projection capability to invade a country such as SA or Nigeria.....

Unless we talking about blitzkrieg like tactics(unlikely with modern tech) It is generally excepted by military analysts around the world that an invading/attacking force usually needs to be 3 times larger to successfully defeat(never mind occupy) a defending force.... Even after that you will still be facing swaths of irregular insurgents that simply refuse to surrender like in Afghanistan and Iraq.

That would mean France would need a force of over 600 000 to defeat Nigeria .... However let's make it 400 000 due to them being technologically superior........France in total have a defence force of 240000

Stormtrooper11:


Putin is a very smart mind.

I disagree here, I think he is a professional gambler.

Nemesis4you:


It's more complicated than that & not as simple

In a democracy winning elections is always first priority for any party even while in government , hence impetus on popularists spendings etc while dictatorships or one party ruled countries have no such requirements perse so the are not answerable to none and hence they have strong military which is coincidentally required by them in the first place to stay in power

But than on the flip side if there is internal dissent inside country due to lack of social development infra etc than it is equally dangerous ( or rather more ) because it is far easier to bring down that country using its own population or portion of its population with minimal effort by external forces without risking own people

Ukraine since breakup was vulnerable more or less due to many reasons , one reason was demography large portion of population Russian speaking ( inclined towards Russia ) so vulnerability always existing , this was the one significant factor which got exploited , something which will bite Russians too in the near future in the east

Giving up nukes was foolish , i remember Ukraine condemned ind... along with west when she conducted nuke tests stating how they gave up nukes etc , I hope now the irony is not lost on them

Economically Ukraine was never in good shape perse so don't see how it could have made things easier , they made significant money by selling Soviet tech left and right, Chinese jump in military technologies was in part due to Ukraine , many through black market , Iran was one of main beneficiaries

Too much crap Europe , end of the day I don't give a rats ass bec if we in their position they wouldn't , let them suffer as they made countless countries suffer during past hundreds of years , their shiit their problem as long as as we learn from their mistakes and actions

You're too kind. Post-Soviet Ukraine has always been a deeply corrupt shithole, beholden to the whims of thieving oligarchs. That said, the long-suffering Ukrainian people have been raped enough by their politicians, they don't need Vlad the Thug piling on.

The markets have been, shall we say, interesting today.
SA platinum, palladium, coal, gold and grain producers are smiling, however.

Lool....Farooq...or is it Farouk...I am not hiding my identity...Even when we were still in Beeg's blog i never hid my identity. I am a confirmed Igbo Man from the SE of Nigeria. I have nothing to fear or hide. I speak my mind irrespective of who's ox is gored.

GeneralFarouq:

Ghanian, I could be sworn you are not Nigerian... There was a time when we had fun of Ghana's exo skeletons, if I remembered correctly, u were the most pained person then

Funniest meme I’ve seen so far.

Nothing like seeing a Russian soldier move: in this astonishing clip by CNN's Matthew Chance (brave guy) Russian Airborne Assault Special Forces Operators manoeuvre at an airport they captured just outside Kiev. A bridge head is now set up for more Russian Armada to pour in. Expect the fall of Kiev & government in a few.

Its actually sickening for anyone to think otherwise of a certain outcome. Apart from strategic and tactical weapons the Russians are one of the best fighting forces on earth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_3L0z1lgAE

LEAVE RUSSIA ALONE

Lessons Learned:
Don't poke a bear in the face

I've been saying this for years also here. History always somehow repeats itself. It's like having Cameroon arming itself with strategic weapons able to knock Nigeria quickly to its knees or joining a military alliance that has the potential of tilting the balance of power. No powerful nation tolerates that on its borders. That's another reason we have the NIA and DIA. Any attempt by any neighbor or nation in sub-saharan Africa to escalate weapons rearmament or invite any nation to do so will be met with every lever of national economic power, sabotage, coups or outright military invasion to take down the rogue regime otherwise you turn into a client state. This is classic text-book geo-political balancing of the power equation in a region and simply what President Putin and Russia is doing to maintain the status quo ante of its military advantage.

While I sympathize with the Ukrainians they actually brought it on themselves listening to the Americans, NATO and Western Europe that would never lift a lid to go die for them.

A good read of the Russian/Ukraine war

https://punchng.com/ukraine-us-nato-must-be-held-accountable/?amp

Covert1:
Nothing like seeing a Russian soldier move: in this astonishing clip by CNN's Matthew Chance (brave guy) Russian Airborne Assault Special Forces Operators manoeuvre at an airport they captured just outside Kiev. A bridge head is now set up for more Russian Armada to pour in. Expect the fall of Kiev & government in a few.

Its actually sickening for anyone to think otherwise of a certain outcome. Apart from strategic and tactical weapons the Russians are one of the best fighting forces on earth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_3L0z1lgAE

There are reports that the Ukrainians counter attacked, they got lucky and pushed the Russians back.
https://twitter.com/elintnews/status/1496987322553876480?s=21

kabe1:


Should the need come up they can allocate required men and material resources.

France does not have a military solution against Nigeria not now and never in the future. If it did Biafra would be in existence today. For all its considered prowess it is a medium power compared to the United States, Russia or China.

Wars on the scale of peer powers in terms of population size, topography, human and material resources are also won by strategic alliances. Actually your pointer is a reverse in favor of Nigeria. Europe's birth rate has been falling and continues to do so. Nations muster the whole of national might to fight a major war. France does not have the men of fighting age compared to Nigeria to muster a total war against a large and huge country like Nigeria far from its shores, it can't even do that in Europe. Its strategic weapons advantage can be quickly mitigated by nation states that have an axe to grind in favor and support of Nigeria.

Assuming this scenario is taking place in West Africa then it is to Nigeria's overall advantage.
Nigeria can quickly mobilize in anticipation of such a conflict strategic and tactical weapons, men and materials the likes of which will make France consider it suicide to even contemplate the idea of war with a giant state of 200 million mostly intelligent people. It's a non starter. France understands this and has chosen trade.

Following that Nigeria's alliances worldwide coupled with its hegemonic influence will bring fighting men, aid and resources to bear and this goes for certain other African countries. The recent war in Ethiopia is an example. The secret support given by states in that war brought Ethiopia back from nigh annihilation.

Nigeria regardless of it's current CT/COIN posture is more adept at conventional warfare which is a whole less tasking to a jihadi war.

sczeska:

There are reports that the Ukrainians counter attacked, they got lucky and pushed the Russians back.
https://twitter.com/elintnews/status/1496987322553876480?s=21

Fake news and disinformation. The Russians are firmly in control of the airport outside Kiev one of their key objectives on day one.

Apparently elsewhere there was a counter attack in which the Ukrainians may have got lucky but not around Kiev. Much of the bitter fighting by the Ukrainian military is happening around Kharkiv which will fall anyway. The first day is only seeing the pincer movement of recce, SOFs and armoured columns coming in. Large scale combat elements are yet to pour in.

Covert1:


Fake news and disinformation. The Russians are firmly in control of the airport outside Kiev one of their key objectives on day one.

Apparently elsewhere there was a counter attack in they got lucky but not around Kiev. Much of the bitter fighting by the Ukrainians is happening around Kharkiv which will fall.

The bolded has confirmed you don’t even know what you’re talking about.
https://twitter.com/apex_ww/status/1496849737215000579?s=21

sczeska:

The bolded has confirmed you don’t even know what you’re talking about.
https://twitter.com/apex_ww/status/1496849737215000579?s=21

Sry u might be sympathetic to Ukraine or a Ukrainian but u might want to leave Twitter space and check sources elsewhere. War involves lots of disinformation far from reality.

There is no way the Ukrainians stand a chance assuming they retake it, Russia will respond

This is just minutes ago as confirmation
https://dailytrust.com/just-in-russian-forces-take-control-of-ukrainian-airport-nuclear-site

Covert1:


Sry u might be sympathetic to Ukraine or a Ukrainian but u might want to leave Twitter space and check sources elsewhere. War involves lots of disinformation far from reality.

There is no way the Ukrainians stand a chance assuming they retake it, Russia will respond

This is just minutes ago as confirmation
https://dailytrust.com/just-in-russian-forces-take-control-of-ukrainian-airport-nuclear-site

You’ve made no effort to hide the fact that you’re pro-russian, but I’m sympathetic to Ukraine because I corrected a “disinformation that is far from reality” which YOU shared.

I’m not doubting the ability of Russia to respond, but for now let’s say things the way they are.