It's hitting deeply

Loewe:


Not in this case, not against the West... Maybe he is too arrogant to talk to Zelenskyy, but once he hears any hope of sanctions being lifted, he would look for a way to "pause" the senseless war...

Very senseless war. I am expecting china to mediate between 2 nations and west. Putin sees Zelensky as comedian and other leaders in western nations as weak. If China mediates issue of lifting sanctions , post-war construction and boundary disputes can be sorted out.

See mumu rich man you weh you go give. Mr putin maximum support you they there making nonsense gesture... If mr. Putin no do this war the u.s.a wll enslaved all Russians in near future....

Loewe:
While I commend the West's stand (support for Ukraine and sanctions) on Russia based on their unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, they need to know that not giving them a soft landing won't end the war anytime soon.

Russia needs a soft landing so they can have an excuse to stop the invasion. If they keep giving them sanctions without telling them sanctions would be lifted if they stop the war, then Russia no longer has anything to gain even if they stop fighting Ukraine. Putin is probably in regret right now, but shame would prevent him from stopping since there isn't any soft landing in place.

Diplomacy would do the West a great good at this time. If these sanctions persist, Russia would become another North Korea and would be a major threat to world peace. They need to give them a reason to stop fighting the war...

Reminds of a proverb that says: with anger the King draws out his sword but with shame he cuts of a head.

joyandfaith:

Very senseless war. I am expecting china to mediate between 2 nations and west. Putin sees Zelensky as comedian and other leaders in western nations as weak. If China mediates issue of lifting sanctions , post-war construction and boundary disputes can be sorted out.

China is obviously not doing that. They also have an invasion agenda (against Taiwan) and that's why they're taking a stand against the West...

If I was Putin, I would have staged a more reasonable excuse to invade Ukraine. Maybe I would have accused them of building nuclear weapons at Chernobyl Nuclear plant or something. A valid reason for invasion is far more important than the invasion itself. The US probably did that to a few countries too

Loewe:
While I commend the West's stand (support for Ukraine and sanctions) on Russia based on their unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, they need to know that not giving them a soft landing won't end the war anytime soon.

Russia needs a soft landing so they can have an excuse to stop the invasion. If they keep giving them sanctions without telling them sanctions would be lifted if they stop the war, then Russia no longer has anything to gain even if they stop fighting Ukraine. Putin is probably in regret right now, but shame would prevent him from stopping since there isn't any soft landing in place.

Diplomacy would do the West a great good at this time. If these sanctions persist, Russia would become another North Korea and would be a major threat to world peace. They need to give them a reason to stop fighting the war...

how can it be unprovoked .when the west sponsorship of the orange revolution to remove pro Russian president.

America was investing and designing Biological Weapons with/in Ukraine.
Russia stumbled on the Biological Weapons Lab, during the invasion and as Ukrainian Scientist have been told to quickly destroy the MAterials, before it gets into Russian hands but Russia still got some of it.

The Weapons consist of research on 26 Birds who are supposed to be the delivery Agents of the Bio-Weapons (Just like thye developed Corona Virus and spread it to the world ).

Russia reported America to the UN Security Council but the "America Puppet organisation" that the UN has become, did not take any action against the USA.

Now, the Americans are turning around to say that Russia wants to use Biological and Chemical Weapons on Ukraine!
In actual fact, America has given Ukraine the go-ahead to use any weapon, Chemical or Biological, on Russian Soldiers but they will turn around that it was Russia that used the banned weapons.

This was the same "false-flag" method that America used in Iraq, Syria and even Libya, where they accused Ghadafi of using such banned weapons, to justify their invasion of Libya.
Do we think Russia would allow this in Ukraine?

https://www.rt.com/news/551668-russia-un-ukraine-biolabs/

https://www.rt.com/russia/551617-bat-coronavirus-us-funded-labs-ukraine/

US-funded laboratories in Ukraine captured by Russian forces last week were conducting experiments with bat coronavirus and other dangerous pathogens, Moscow claimed on Thursday, citing documents seized at the facilities. There were allegedly plans to move on to African swine fever virus and to anthrax.

Igor Konashenkov, spokesperson for Russia’s Ministry of Defense, said that “experiments with samples of bat coronavirus were being carried out in the bio-laboratories, created and funded [by the US] in Ukraine, as documents show.” The Russian official went on to claim that in 2022 the US was intending to “work on bird, bat and reptile pathogens,” with plans to move on to research into whether those animals can “transmit African swine fever virus and anthrax.”
According to Konashenkov, the scientists were looking into, among other things, the possibility of pathogen transmission by wild birds migrating between Russia, Ukraine and other neighboring countries.

On Sunday, Russia announced that it had captured several laboratories in Ukraine. If Moscow officials are to be believed, staff at some of the facilities told Russian troops that particularly dangerous pathogens, including plague and anthrax, had been destroyed following the start of Moscow’s military offensive against Ukraine on February 24.

Konashenkov surmised that the Pentagon feared that its “secret biological experiments” would be uncovered, ordering Ukrainian authorities to dispose of evidence pointing to such research.

Responding to the allegations voiced by Russia on Wednesday, Ned Price, spokesperson for the US Department of State, accused Moscow of “intentionally spreading outright lies.” According to Price, similar claims made previously by Russia “have been debunked conclusively and repeatedly over many years.” The US official proceeded to suggest that the latest pathogen allegations were nothing more than a pretext invented by the Kremlin “in an attempt to justify its own horrific actions in Ukraine.”

Washington insisted that the “United States does not own or operate any chemical or biological laboratories in Ukraine, it is in full compliance with its obligations under the Chemical Weapons Convention and Biological Weapons Convention.” The US Department of State pointed the finger at Moscow instead, accusing it of having “active chemical and biological weapons programs.”

Ukraine, too, has denied the presence of any facilities developing biological weapons on its territory.

The American embassy in Kiev confirmed that the US Department of Defense “collaborates with partner countries,” but only to “counter the threat of outbreaks.”

China, however, has made it clear that it is not entirely convinced by America’s explanations, and urged Washington to disclose relevant data “as soon as possible.”

Speaking to journalists on Tuesday, its Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said that Beijing had information indicating that the said laboratories in Ukraine were just the “tip of an iceberg.” Zhao went on to claim that the Pentagon “controls 336 biological laboratories in 30 countries around the world,” with the secret program operating under the guise of efforts to “reduce biosecurity risks” and to strengthen “global public health.”

Munamoqel:
how can it be unprovoked .when the west sponsorship of the orange revolution to remove pro Russian president.

Taah... He too should sponsor a pro-Russian president again. It's called politics, he lost, invading a sovereign country shouldn't be the next thing.

You've only expose your ignorance.

Ukraine already have a lifeline of over $5b from WB and the US has approved over $12b in aids to Ukraine.
The UK and EU have not announced their.
Do you hear anyone talking about aiding Russia?

Loewe:


Shows how little you know about foreign affairs

Convention107:

Reminds of a proverb that says: with anger the King draws out his sword but with shame he cuts of a head.

Exactly.

In Yoruba, they say "Iyi l'oba n foribibe se, oba kan kii m'eje"... A king only beheads to show authority, no king drinks human blood...

Realists:
Hmmm, the conspiracy & hypocrisy of the west is about to end, with Mr Putin dogmatism. One button, one missile & all these will end.

# say no to hypocrisy & double standard.

You are smart!

Realists:
Hmmm, the conspiracy & hypocrisy of the west is about to end, with Mr Putin dogmatism. One button, one missile & all these will end.

# say no to hypocrisy & double standard.

. Putin Sympathizer...It's Okay to invade an Independent Country and start Killing Innocent Souls.right ..U are number one Hypocrite

Loewe:
While I commend the West's stand (support for Ukraine and sanctions) on Russia based on their unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, they need to know that not giving them a soft landing won't end the war anytime soon.

Russia needs a soft landing so they can have an excuse to stop the invasion. If they keep giving them sanctions without telling them sanctions would be lifted if they stop the war, then Russia no longer has anything to gain even if they stop fighting Ukraine. Putin is probably in regret right now, but shame would prevent him from stopping since there isn't any soft landing in place.

Diplomacy would do the West a great good at this time. If these sanctions persist, Russia would become another North Korea and would be a major threat to world peace. They need to give them a reason to stop fighting the war...

This war is not ending soon... Russia must bleed to death... This is prayer answered for the US

ayindejimmy:
You've only expose your ignorance.

Ukraine already have a lifeline of over $5b from WB and the US has approved over $12b in aids to Ukraine.
The UK and EU have not announced their.
Do you hear anyone talking about aiding Russia?

It's either you didn't understand my initial post or you're just living on another planet...

When I spoke about soft landing, which country was I referring to? Please tell me again if you actually read my post!

Abi you don't even know the meaning of soft landing.

SeeThisLoser:


Fabricated trash

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/10/5/pandora-papers-no-re-election-for-ukraines-comedian-president
The west knows him well . that's why they used him as a pawn

SeeThisLoser:


Fabricated trash

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/10/5/pandora-papers-no-re-election-for-ukraines-comedian-president

The west knows him well . that's why they used him as a pawn

Themandator:



This war is not ending soon... Russia must bleed to death... This is prayer answered for the US

Yes, Russia has always been a strategic enemy to US, but everyone is now feeling the pain.

Gas prices are so high in the US right now, it doesn't seem to pay anyone. Although Nigeria might profiteer at this point if we play our cards right at the international market. This is a good time to make money from LNG and Crude oil sales.

EyezofGod120:
una never see anything,,both of una supporter for nigeria go suffer am last last

Obagofixxy:
Why una dey beg now


Shebi Putin dey form strong man, you never see anything ohhhh
Nigeria economy go better pass una soon

Loewe:
While I commend the West's stand (support for Ukraine and sanctions) on Russia based on their unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, they need to know that not giving them a soft landing won't end the war anytime soon.

Russia needs a soft landing so they can have an excuse to stop the invasion. If they keep giving them sanctions without telling them sanctions would be lifted if they stop the war, then Russia no longer has anything to gain even if they stop fighting Ukraine. Putin is probably in regret right now, but shame would prevent him from stopping since there isn't any soft landing in place.

Diplomacy would do the West a great good at this time. If these sanctions persist, Russia would become another North Korea and would be a major threat to world peace. They need to give them a reason to stop fighting the war...

SarkinYarki:
The conflict has been badly handled by both sides and could lead to grave economic consequences for the world ... Putin's invasion has been haphazard instead of the "blitzkrieg" we expected ..the deal was go in there and topple Zelensky within 48 hours not Minding any collateral damage , set up a pro Kremlin interim govt and pull back Russian military to the separatist regions and start Negotiating sanctions..Putin seems to have messed this up with the kid glove haphazard invasion....Putin is not a good strategist like we have all been made to believe if he was the proper thing to do was to crush the CIA coup of 2014 and we wouldnt be here but he sat down in Kremlin and let the CIA have their way..

CoronaVirusPro:
Fiction

You already gradually descending


Putin have inspiration it can defeat world powers

He was busy developing nuclear warheads while America was developing financial weapon

SeeThisLoser:
Overrated, clueless, egoistical and cruel dictator. He wants to destroy the largest country on this earth because of his petty hatred and jealousy of the west. He will fail and someone will get rid of him soon.

bestman09:
Everything should be done to stop Putin before he becomes another Adolf Hitler

"I am 100 percent certain most of you didn't read the below paragraph before arriving at your sentimental conclusions". Village People Spokesperson.

"We see that the West's own economies have suffered by imposing sanctions against Russia. So we must be wiser and avoid a scenario under which our sanctions hit us," Potanin said.

1917 Russian revolution against Tsar Nicholas II and d following year he was killed with is whole family by his own pple, they just dey remind am wetin happen that time.

Loewe:


China is obviously not doing that. They also have an invasion agenda (against Taiwan) and that's why they're taking a stand against the West...

If I was Putin, I would have staged a more reasonable excuse to invade Ukraine. Maybe I would have accused them of building nuclear weapons at Chernobyl Nuclear plant or something. A valid reason for invasion is far more important than the invasion itself. The US probably did that to a few countries too

Any World Power (and America has done so, many times in the past) will invade another sovereign country, especially its neighbour, if that neighbour is taking Military Steps which it deems are a threat to its Existence.
That is a No-Brainer. What reaon can be more reasonable or valid than that?

Israel keeps bombing Syria, Iraq and even Iran's Nuclear Project ON A DAILY BASIS simply because it deems some of their activities will remove its own military superiority in the Middle East, something it says is an "Existential threat".
Why is Israel not sanctioned or its assets seized?
How is Russia different?

Countries have gone to War over just "Water Source", they gone to war over who owns a Trade Route, they have gone to War over Resources like Oil, why then do we not understand that putting Nukes on Russian Border or Ukraine joining a Military Alliance like NATO, is an Existential Threat to Russia and Russia will do ANYTHING to prevent that from happening?

Ukraine just needs to agree that it will abide by a Neutral Status and wont Host NATO's Weapons henceforth, for this Invasion to Stop but each time they are about to reach such Agreement, America and UK will add fuel to the fire and ask Zelensky not to agree, that they would send more weapons to it and the fighting then escalates a notch higher.

Loewe:


Well you probably don't understand the context and usage of my expression 'threat to world peace'...

The more the economically crippled and sidelined nations that have access to nuclear bombs, the higher the propensity for a negative alliance between them and the higher the likelihood of a WW3...

A man that has nothing to lose is a dangerous man. Think about that for a second. Ciao!

I understood what you meant but you failed to grasp mine.
As long as their weapon testing does not affect the market, they can continue testing, banding together as you put it while being isolated.

Nuclear weapon is not something you can just launch with the turn of a key. The idea of it was to be a deterrent not an offensive weapon.

Go read history of the cold War when all Captains and General were given free rein to launch such at will. On both sides when it came down to the wire, the people in charge of the last sequence to complete the launch sequence always did choose morality over insanity

neuf:


I understood what you meant but you failed to grasp mine.
As long as their weapon testing does not affect the market, they can continue testing, banding together as you put it while being isolated.

Nuclear weapon is not something you can just launch with the turn of a key. The idea of it was to be a deterrent not an offensive weapon.

Go read history of the cold War when all Captains and General were given free rein to launch such at will. On both sides when it came down to the wire, the people in charge of the last sequence to complete the launch sequence always did choose morality over insanity

The mistake you're making here is that it's no longer an "isolation". The world is being divided gradually. The so called sidelined nations are on the increase and if they keep increasing, the world economy and military alliance would be partitioned along those lines, even if the west is still significantly stronger.

You're looking at the short-run consequences while I am looking at what may become of the world decades later...

Tell am.

Daboomb:


Any World Power (and America has done so, many times in the past) will invade another sovereign country, especially its neighbour, if that neighbour is taking Military Steps which it deems are a threat to its Existence.
That is a No-Brainer. What reaon can be more reasonable or valid than that?

Israel keeps bombing Syria, Iraq and even Iran's Nuclear Project ON A DAILY BASIS simply because it deems some of their activities will remove its own military superiority in the Middle East, something it says is an "Existential threat".
Why is Israel not sanctioned or its assets seized?
How is Russia different?

Countries have gone to War over just "Water Source", they gone to war over who owns a Trade Route, they have gone to War over Resources like Oil, why then do we not understand that putting Nukes on Russian Border or Ukraine joining a Military Alliance like NATO, is an Existential Threat to Russia and Russia will do ANYTHING to prevent that from happening?

Ukraine just needs to agree that it will abide by a Neutral Status and wont Host NATO's Weapons henceforth, for this Invasion to Stop but each time they are about to reach such Agreement, America and UK will add fuel to the fire and ask Zelensky not to agree, that they would send more weapons to it and the fighting then escalates a notch higher.

is it that you guys are allergic to the Internet or what.

You're comparing Israel to Russia situation, really?

Now, can you prove these 3 cases in Russia favour:
- Your neighbouring states ganging up to attack you that you have to fight to survive.

- Not being recognised as a legitimate nation by those same neighbours

- Those same neighbours publicly bragging about destroying you with military actions.

it's the way you guys fall for Putin propaganda head first without even knowing it that gets to me the most.

Loewe:


The mistake you're making here is that it's no longer an "isolation". The world is being divided gradually. The so called sidelined nations are on the increase and if they keep increasing, the world economy and military alliance would be partitioned along those lines, even if the west is still significantly stronger.

You're looking at the short-run consequences while I am looking at what may become of the world decades later...

alliance over what exactly?
hatred for the West?

Those countries will choose the sanctions being lifted over banding to launch missiles. Nobody is that stupid.

Go check, up till now North Korea favours disarming themselves if US lift the sanctions on it. The only reason they haven't come to an agreement is that they want the sanctions lifted first before they give up their weapons which will be a win for them. on the other hand, the US want them to give up the weapons first.

Venezuela that has been sanctioned for ages now and their oil export seized on international waters just agreed to supply the same oil for sanctions to be lifted.

It doesn't matter if its decades into the future, those countries economy aren't doing well, banding together doesn't help either because all the US have to do is lift sanctions and the alliance crumbles

Loewe:


Yes, Russia has always been a strategic enemy to US, but everyone is now feeling the pain.

Gas prices are so high in the US right now, it doesn't seem to pay anyone. Although Nigeria might profiteer at this point if we play our cards right at the international market. This is a good time to make money from LNG and Crude oil sales.

Nigeria is not profiting from this War, rather we are loosing because as a Nation without Refineries, as the price of Crude Oil rises (and we sell more and make more money but we cant even raise our Crude Output because we dont have the infrastructure to do so), so is the price of PMS that comes into Nigeria, gets even more costlier and we use the profit we make from Crude Oil sales, plus even those from other sectors of our economy, to buy PMS.

Only Countries with good Refining Capacities and Crude Oil Stocks, are making a huge profit now.

Back to the Topic:
Russia has been under severe US Sanctions since 2014, when it seized Crimea from Ukraine.
Russia has built-in a lot of Resilience into its economy, because it has been expecting a day like this to come.
For example, Russia used to import about 15% of its consumable food in post-2014 but right now, it is self-sufficient in food production and is actually the highest exporter of food like Wheat and other grains.
Most foreign Industries in Russia are mostly Russian operated and some of them will get Nationalised, if they decide to leave (Most of them claim to "suspend" operations temporarily )

Russia has created alternative markets in Asia, Middle East and the far East, for a day like this. Countries like China, Turkey, S/Africa, India, Pakistan, etc have refused to impose any sanctions on Russia. These are the countries Russia trades with, the most and they have even developed an alternative payment Systems (though not as widely used as the SWIFT Payment Systems) to bypass the American led system.

Sanctions no doubt, will still be affecting Russia but it will never bring Russia to its knees, as some people are thinking moreso, the Sanctions is already biting in America and the European countries.
Before long, you will start seeing Riots in the West, over rising prices (Albania is the first Country as of today, to be experiencing nation-wide civil unrest, due to the cost of Energy and other Staples), resulting from the Sanctions on Russia.
More Western countries will soon erupt into chaos, if the sanctions continue and price of Energy, which also affect price of other products and transportation, keeps rising.

As much as l hate War, l think Zelensky, Ukrainian President,, has himself to blame, for leading his Country into this situation and allowing America/West to use it as a Pawn in the Chess of Cold War Politics. Ukraine is almost totally destroyed, (Infrastructurally, especially Military) and it will take decades to rebuild. It should have remained NEUTRAL.

I know that Russia will not stop, until it has ensured that Ukraine is not in a position to decide to join NATO (though NATO has also said Ukraine is off-the-table for now), by destroying its ability to Wage War. Russia will also ensure that Ukraine has a Govt that is Pro-Russia, after killing all those Neo-Nazis in the "Azov Battalion" who were enlisted into Ukraine's National Army.

I watched a Documentary someone referred on one of the threads here and it really shed a lot of light on this Russia-Ukraine War.
Watch it also, you wont find it on YouTube as they removed it about a week ago.

https://vimeo.com/198158429 Ukraine on Fire, by Oliver Stone

I dey gbadun all these Russian oligarchs names die. Potanin... Deripaska. Names sounding as heavy as their account balances.

Loewe:


Taah... He too should sponsor a pro-Russian president again. It's called politics, he lost, invading a sovereign country shouldn't be the next thing.

A Super Power (like Russia) and a Pawn, paper Weight Country (like Ukraine) DO NO DO Tit-For-Tat.
Imagine if Mexico is expecting America to do tit-for-tat with it?
America will just invade it, seize its territory (which is how they seized New Mexico and Ne Carlifornia from Republic of Mexico), to teach it not to mess with the Big Boyz.

You only do tit-for-tat with a Nation of Equal power.

When it comes to THREATS against National Security, threats against their very Existence, Super Powers will Act without giving a Bleep about anybody.
America has done it so many times and we didn't hear all of you hear make a sound or whimper.
Let Russia be, abeg. Next time Ukraine will not allow itself to be used as a PAWN, in a Power game of Super Powers.

Loewe:


Thanks. Wanna teach me some tech support?

That will depend on what kind of support you want

SarkinYarki:
The conflict has been badly handled by both sides and could lead to grave economic consequences for the world ... Putin's invasion has been haphazard instead of the "blitzkrieg" we expected ..the deal was go in there and topple Zelensky within 48 hours not Minding any collateral damage , set up a pro Kremlin interim govt and pull back Russian military to the separatist regions and start Negotiating sanctions..Putin seems to have messed this up with the kid glove haphazard invasion....Putin is not a good strategist like we have all been made to believe if he was the proper thing to do was to crush the CIA coup of 2014 and we wouldnt be here but he sat down in Kremlin and let the CIA have their way..

You call the peoples revolt in 2014 a CIA coup?

Daboomb:


A Super Power (like Russia) and a Pawn, paper Weight Country (like Ukraine) DO NO DO Tit-For-Tat.
Imagine if Mexico is expecting America to do tit-for-tat with it?
America will just invade it, seize its territory (which is how they seized New Mexico and Ne Carlifornia from Republic of Mexico), to teach it not to mess with the Big Boyz.

You only do tit-for-tat with a Nation of Equal power.

When it comes to THREATS against National Security, threats against their very Existence, Super Powers will Act without giving a Bleep about anybody.
America has done it so many times and we didn't hear all of you hear make a sound or whimper.
Let Russia be, abeg. Next time Ukraine will not allow itself to be used as a PAWN, in a Power game of Super Powers.

what did Ukraine do again?