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Jodera:
una Squad depth wey don choke finish.
No be squad depth no make una register Alves for Europa?

Nooo. Na because Europa ni gree. Them don accept to allow two.more inclusions anyway.

FirstbornWds:
Nooo. Na because Europa ni gree. Them don accept to allow two.more inclusions anyway.

Anyhow sha, una still get squad depth. Make una free us wey no get depth biko

Jodera:
Because it's only Lacazette that scores our goals shey??

For your information na midfield and attack dey win us games, reason why we're always dominating teams and creating chances which yielded goals.

The belief we have now is because of the creative balance the midfield and attack have been. Reason why we've been scoring more than one goal per match averagely

Swears, you go like arguments for real life ooh.

I fit source for person wey go sponsor you go study Philosophy or Law?

Jodera:
Because it's only Lacazette that scores our goals shey??

For your information na midfield and attack dey win us games, reason why we're always dominating teams and creating chances which yielded goals.

The belief we have now is because of the creative balance the midfield and attack have been. Reason why we've been scoring more than one goal per match averagely

Na lie.

In our midfield we need to replace at least one player. Same with attack. It's only defense that we can confidently go into next season without any form of replacement.

Your 'more than one goal per match' even proves defense is the main key to our recent success.
Our strongest department as it stands now is the defense. And they are the reason we have so much confidence chasing the top 4.

I just watched the access all area video on arsenal's Facebook page, the kind of connection the fans has with the club now is very strong. The video gave me goosebumps.
Pure passion and emotions in the video.

They even have a song for Mikel Arteta.

Akinbahm:
Swears, you go like arguments for real life ooh.

I fit source for person wey go sponsor you go study Philosophy or Law?

Are you serious or joking? I dey look for sponsor o

Akinbahm:
Swears, you go like arguments for real life ooh.

I fit source for person wey go sponsor you go study Philosophy or Law?

.
Na Spy no wan gree make person drink water drop cup na. ;

The bolded no go bad oo

Spy360:
Na lie.

In our mi dfield we need to replace at least one player. Same with attack. It's only defense that we can confidently go into next season without any form of replacement.

Your 'more than one goal per match' even proves defense is the main key to our recent success.
Our strongest department as it stands now is the defense. And they are the reason we have so much confidence chasing the top 4.

Lol.. Na during the early stages of this season I'll give kudos to our defence wen we were scrapping wins/draws while playing badly. While I will never deny the fact that our defence have improved drastically but you see the confidence guys now have here and opponents/rival fans are tipping us for top 4? It's because of our midfield and attack.

I mean, we outposses teams, outshoot teams, create more chances than teams and outscore teams, have more touches in opposition half and opposition box than our opponents, yet na defence dey help us .
Na for our box 18 we dey do all these things?

When defence was helping us and our midfield and attack wasn't balanced esp first half of season, no be here we dey cry and gnash teeth even while we were winning?

I asked you a question last week? How many clean sheets have we kept prior to Leicester game wey you dey claim say no be our midfield and attack dey help us?

As for the bolded, even the best teams replace a player(s) for improvement. I didn't say this is our final bus stop, but as far as this season is concerned, our midfield and attack are balanced (and is open for improvement). Example is Liverpool. The season they carried league, they won it as early as late Feb or early match(if I'm not mistaken). Did that stop Klopp from buying Jota the next season? No. Guardiola have won 3 league trophies out of 5 seasons, does that stop him from buying players after every of his triumphant season?

You deceive yourself if you think our main turnaround in results and performance is not from us dominating teams and creating chances. Go to different thread and see people raving about ESR, martinelli, odegaard and saka. I guess those are our back four

It's a known fact that anytime a team dominates another team, pegs dem backs to their opposition half and create chances, it's the work of the understanding between the midfield and attack. Most of the time, defence and keeper have little to do.

Jodera:
Na why Arteta just dey para about the schedule after Liverpool's match.

It's not fair esp the timing of Chelsea and Man u match. See how our players were almost gassed out against Aston villa midway through the 2nd half, It makes me Wonder how we might cope against Man u. Thankfully we're playing at home

Man u vs Arsenal is always a big match.
Why will dey play it at 12:30 instead of the customary 4:30/5:30 time that they normally play big matches on Saturdays?

It's just so odd they don't reason such stuff well.

Meanwhile, see the Current Salary Structure.

daveP:
It's just so odd they don't reason such stuff well.

Meanwhile, see the Current Salary Structure.

Mehn, this our wage structure is doping dope. No cap, Arteta did a very very good job cutting down the wage bill. It means if Lacazette goes, we'll have just only partey on 200k while the rest on less than 150k. So make sense.


But how the hell did martinelli gets up to £90k esp when he's coming from the division 4 in Brazil? It's high na.

Na Emery people dash am dat one?

mostob:
Are you serious or joking? I dey look for sponsor o

Nah cruise jhawe, I love Jodera2 energy the way he always engage in arguments.

Jodera:
Mehn, this our wage structure is doping dope. No cap, Arteta did a very very good job cutting down the wage bill. It means if Lacazette goes, we'll have just only partey on 200k while the rest on less than 150k. So make sense.


But how the hell did martinelli gets up to £90k esp when he's coming from the division 4 in Brazil? It's high na.

Na Emery people dash am dat one?

Not Emery, Martinelli actually signed an improved contract in 2020 under Arteta. That's why he gets paid that well.

I beleive Saka will be getting above 120k anytime soon. He deserves it and more. I just hope the money no go too much for the boy to manage and he will remain focused.

https://www.arsenal.com/news/martinelli-signs-new-long-term-contract

BlueRayDick:
Not Emery, Martinelli actually signed an improved contract in 2020 under Arteta. That's why he gets paid that well.

I beleive Saka will be getting above 120k anytime soon. He deserves it and more. I just hope the money no go too much for the boy to manage and he will remain focused.

https://www.arsenal.com/news/martinelli-signs-new-long-term-contract

Oh, now I get it thanks. I hope the duration is long enough oo, make all these bad belle clubs no come dey hover around am.

If Saka is given 120k he deserves it, same with ESR too. I hope their duration of the contract will be long too

Jodera:
Oh, now I get it thanks. I hope the duration is long enough oo, make all these bad belle clubs no come dey hover around am.

If Saka is given 120k he deserves it, same with ESR too. I hope their duration of the contract will be long too

Omo we dey the same state of mind . If possible make dem knack these youngsters 10 years extension at a go sef.... I don’t want to see us lose any of them for any reason .

Jodera:
Lol.. Na during the early stages of this season I'll give kudos to our defence wen we were scrapping wins/draws while playing badly. While I will never deny the fact that our defence have improved drastically but you see the confidence guys now have here and opponents/rival fans are tipping us for top 4? It's because of our midfield and attack.

I mean, we outposses teams, outshoot teams, create more chances than teams and outscore teams, have more touches in opposition half and opposition box than our opponents, yet na defence dey help us .
Na for our box 18 we dey do all these things?

When defence was helping us and our midfield and attack wasn't balanced esp first half of season, no be here we dey cry and gnash teeth even while we were winning?

I asked you a question last week? How many clean sheets have we kept prior to Leicester game wey you dey claim say no be our midfield and attack dey help us?

As for the bolded, even the best teams replace a player(s) for improvement. I didn't say this is our final bus stop, but as far as this season is concerned, our midfield and attack are balanced (and is open for improvement). Example is Liverpool. The season they carried league, they won it as early as late Feb or early match(if I'm not mistaken). Did that stop Klopp from buying Jota the next season? No. Guardiola have won 3 league trophies out of 5 seasons, does that stop him from buying players after every of his triumphant season?

You deceive yourself if you think our main turnaround in results and performance is not from us dominating teams and creating chances. Go to different thread and see people raving about ESR, martinelli, odegaard and saka. I guess those are our back four

It's a known fact that anytime a team dominates another team, pegs dem backs to their opposition half and create chances, it's the work of the understanding between the midfield and attack. Most of the time, defence and keeper have little to do.

I will understand if you think it's the midfield or attack that is making the difference because that is where the goals come from. That is what is called the illusion of fanaticism. It's the reason why attacking players win the ballon for always.

If you have ever played football you know that the psychology of attacking players is largely dependent on their defensive colleagues. Take PSG for example, their recent debacle is a case of poor defense despite boasting about the best attack in the world.

Like I said, which you bolded but ignored... There is at least one player we MUST replace in both our midfield and attack. But there is none in the defense. This is enough point of argument to make any rational mind succumb. I would if this argument is put to me.

The reason why we dominate teams is because our defenders press high. Also when we lose an attacking player to red card, that ends our attack but the defense stays firm. Put that the other way around and you understand what I am saying.

And please stop all those Liverpool and Man City rubbish examples. They have the best defenses in the league. At least if you want to make examples use proper ones that portray your side of the argument- a team with a weak defense.

You are asking for clean sheets prior to Leicester. That's funny because the league position we are in was not in effect prior to Leicester.

I need you to argue better than this. You know that I enjoy arguing with you.

BlueRayDick:
Omo we dey the same state of mind . If possible make dem knack these youngsters 10 years extension at a go sef.... I don’t want to see us lose any of them for any reason .

The truth is both defence and attack+ midfield have been essential in our recent rise in form, but defence has been really outstanding above every other department .

We’ve had Cedric casually slot into our back 4 in the absence of Tomiyasu yet no real threat from that side of defence .

We’ve seen us conceded over 130 corners and conceded zero direct goals from the resultant corner kicks , that’s our defence marshaled by the keeper doing its work.

We’ve seen our defence fight hard for victories in the last 10 minutes of matches in recent games.....that’s our defence ensuring we keep the lead and eventually win the match. Just this last match we saw how spirited everybody on the back line and even the midfielders were towards the end of the match in a bid to ensure we come out tops following the first half goal.

Yes , of a truth we we won’t win games if attackers and midfielders don’t ensure we get get goals , but we could equally lose such matches if the defence reverts back to the time of Papasthapopulous, Luiz , Holding and Mustafi as mainstay CB’s

I don’t think defence or attack wins u leagues , I think both wins u league. Like Spy pointed out using examples like Man city and Loserpool they both have good players in all the departments that have mastered their coach do system . Let’s allow these boys to play together and learn Arteta’s system , let the board bring in more quality signings and maybe we will have a team that will bring back the lost glories for us .

BlueRayDick:
The truth is both defence and attack+ midfield have been essential in our recent rise in form, but defence has been really outstanding above every other department .

We’ve had Cedric casually slot into our back 4 in the absence of Tomiyasu yet no real threat from that side of defence .

We’ve seen us conceded over 130 corners and conceded zero direct goals from the resultant corner kicks , that’s our defence marshaled by the keeper doing its work.

We’ve seen our defence fight hard for victories in the last 10 minutes of matches in recent games.....that’s our defence ensuring we keep the lead and eventually win the match. Just this last match we saw how spirited everybody on the back line and even the midfielders were towards the end of the match in a bid to ensure we come out tops following the first half goal.

Yes , of a truth we we won’t win games if attackers and midfielders don’t ensure we get get goals , but we could equally lose such matches if the defence reverts back to the time of Papasthapopulous, Luiz , Holding and Mustafi as mainstay CB’s

I don’t think defence or attack wins u leagues , I think both wins u league. Like Spy pointed out using examples like Man city and Loserpool they both have good players in all the departments that have mastered their coach do system . Let’s allow these boys to play together and learn Arteta’s system , let the board bring in more quality signings and maybe we will have a team that will bring back the lost glories for us .

The emboldened is a rational point of argument. This is very correct. This is what I expect everyone here to say. This is equally my personal view.

But taking this discussion (no longer an argument) now a bit further...

We should now know that defending starts from the pressers in front. That is to say that good defending (I am not saying defenders) is inclusive of every player, so also attacking (not necessarily attackers) as many teams start attack from their back men, some even from their goalkeepers.

Our strength in defending set pieces should not be attributed to the defenders alone but also to the front guys that do the man/zonal marking.

In essence, our attacking and defensive solidity is the summation of the contributions of the entire team.

Back to DWYL...

Our defending has been our strongest point so far this season compared to our attacking. That's is the point I make when I say DWYL. This is an opinion and may not be absolutely correct. What is absolutely correct is that, a good defense ensures you don't lose matches, which gives you the foundation of actually winning them.

Spy360:
The emboldened is a rational point of argument. This is very correct. This is what I expect everyone here to say. This is equally my personal view.

But taking this discussion (no longer an argument) now a bit further.

We know that defending starts from the pressers in front. That is to say that defending (not defenders) is inclusive of every player, so also attacking (not necessarily attackers) as many teams start attack from their defenders even some from goalkeepers.

Our strength in defending set pieces is not attributed to the defenders alone but also the front guys that do the man/zonal marking.

In essence, our attacking and defensive solidity is the summation of the contributions of the entire team.

You are right. Our defenders keeping high line especially someone like Ben White are part of our attacking play.

The same way Our attackers are saddled with the responsibility of pressing from the front to force the opposing team to concede possession.

In all of these Na coach we supposed praise but I know most people no wan gree swallow their pride to accept that the same Arteta that has been referred to intern , Nysc coach , school boy coach etc has turned things around and getting it right with his tactics and approach to games now.

The good thing is while we may hold on to our biases, the players are happy playing to his instructions and it’s showing on the pitch . Imagine somebody like holding coming on for less than 10 mins always smiling when giving the next formation tactics to the other players with his fingers . I’ve never seen a player in his mid 20’s coming on to just play few minutes that happy before

BlueRayDick:
You are right. Our defenders keeping high line especially someone like Ben White are part of our attacking play.

The same way Our attackers are saddled with the responsibility of pressing from the front to force the opposing team to concede possession.

In all of these Na coach we supposed praise but I know most people no wan gree swallow their pride to accept that the same Arteta that has been referred to intern , Nysc coach , school boy coach etc has turned things around and getting it right with his tactics and approach to games now.

The good thing is while we may hold on to our biases, the players are happy playing to his instructions and it’s showing on the pitch . Imagine somebody like holding coming on for less than 10 mins always smiling when giving the next formation tactics to the other players with his fingers . I’ve never seen a player in his mid 20’s coming on to just play few minutes that happy before

Exactly. It's the manager who should be praised. The fact is that our team is actually weaker than when the season began. We have lost some quality either due to a bloated squad or indiscipline. Nevertheless, the coach has somehow made something out of the little leftovers. This is huge for me.

More importantly, as you also pointed, the team bond is so great that even fans have become infected by it and everyone is catching the bug. The atmosphere at the Emirates has been so lifted that coming there is a joy for everyone including the fringe players. You see how the team and fans celebrate each win as if it's the final. As it stands now, if we eventually finish top 4 by God's grace, Emirates will be the place to be, the major attraction for many players who will be moving in the summer.

Spy360:
I will understand if you think it's the midfield or attack that is making the difference because that is where the goals come from. That is what is called the illusion of fanaticism. It's the reason why attacking players win the ballon for always.

If you have ever played football you know that the psychology of attacking players is largely dependent on their defensive colleagues. Take PSG for example, their recent debacle is a case of poor defense despite boasting about the best attack in the world.

Like I said, which you bolded but ignored... There is at least one player we MUST replace in both our midfield and attack. But there is none in the defense. This is enough point of argument to make any rational mind succumb. I would if this argument is put to me.

The reason why we dominate teams is because our defenders press high. Also when we lose an attacking player to red card, that ends our attack but the defense stays firm. Put that the other way around and you understand what I am saying.

And please stop all those Liverpool and Man City rubbish examples. They have the best defenses in the league. At least if you want to make examples use proper ones that portray your side of the argument- a team with a weak defense.

You are asking for clean sheets prior to Leicester. That's funny because the league position we are in was not in effect prior to Leicester.

I need you to argue better than this. You know that I enjoy arguing with you.

From your points, you'll think that I'm saying we should buy/get all the best attacking players. No. That's the reason why I'm always insistent on Balance. Balance, balance, balance!!.
The PSG team lacks balance, anyone who watches football or watches that team knows they lack balance esp in midfield and attack. A defence that the best young Gk in the world (if not one of the best), plus 3× champions league starter Gk in navas, Hakimi, Marquinhos, kipembe is what you're saying is poor? Are you serious Spy.

Maybe you don't understand the meaning of balance. Lemme explain to you. Balance(in attack) is when there's a cohesion between midfield players and attacking players. That's why A xhaka partey odegaard trio of midfield will dominate most midfield compared to a partey odegaard Smith Rowe midfield.
You might think Xhaka is useless but look at his role very well and you'll observe that he's a recycler/controller. He's one of the reason we hardly lose possession in that left hand side and he draws partey forward. He also acts as a defensive cover anytime partey or Tierney attacks. Do you think Smith Rowe can do that in this 433? The last time we tried that smith Rowe trio f"ckin Burnley bypassed our midfield.

I see you saying we need not change anyone in our defence. I presume you forgot that it's Cedric that's playing Tomi role since January and he's played it so well that we haven't missed him much. Same way Tavarez played exceptionally well when Tierney was injured that most people did not mind if Tierney was relegated to the bench until Liverpool exposed tavarez inexperience. That's two of our back 4 doing well. Can you beat your chest that if partey and saka is injured now, elneny(or lokonga) and Pepe will do their work effectively? I know how many times pepe lost possession against Watford and Aston Villa and how this singular act makes us lose domination most times. If Pepe can do that against tired defences, how much more wen he starts?

PSG lack balance, same as man u. A team who has balance with good players will beat a team without balance filled with world class players. That's why you see arsenal thriving and dominating same as barca and you see Man u and PSG struggling. Until PSG have a good balance between midfield and attack that's when they'll be a force to reckon with. Did they even have any good Am sef?

There's a reason Xhaka played Tottenham game with partey, after that game (how we played Tottenham in the first half especially), I knew that we need Xhaka in this team(this season) that we do not really know and I commented here after his injury that Partey Xhaka partnership is the best for now no matter his head-touching. Same as lacazette

As for your bolded, I asked you that question just after we finished playing Leicester, so don't spin it as if I just chose Leicester out of the blues

BlueRayDick:
The truth is both defence and attack+ midfield have been essential in our recent rise in form, but defence has been really outstanding above every other department .

We’ve had Cedric casually slot into our back 4 in the absence of Tomiyasu yet no real threat from that side of defence .

We’ve seen us conceded over 130 corners and conceded zero direct goals from the resultant corner kicks , that’s our defence marshaled by the keeper doing its work.

We’ve seen our defence fight hard for victories in the last 10 minutes of matches in recent games.....that’s our defence ensuring we keep the lead and eventually win the match. Just this last match we saw how spirited everybody on the back line and even the midfielders were towards the end of the match in a bid to ensure we come out tops following the first half goal.

Yes , of a truth we we won’t win games if attackers and midfielders don’t ensure we get get goals , but we could equally lose such matches if the defence reverts back to the time of Papasthapopulous, Luiz , Holding and Mustafi as mainstay CB’s

I don’t think defence or attack wins u leagues , I think both wins u league. Like Spy pointed out using examples like Man city and Loserpool they both have good players in all the departments that have mastered their coach do system . Let’s allow these boys to play together and learn Arteta’s system , let the board bring in more quality signings and maybe we will have a team that will bring back the lost glories for us .

If Spy have come through this angle, I for no talk pim

But how will we be winning matches and dominating teams and Spy twist it around and say na DWYL

Spy360:
Exactly. It's the manager who should be praised. The fact is that our team is actually weaker than when the season began. We have lost some quality either due to a bloated squad or indiscipline. Nevertheless, the coach has somehow made something out of the little leftovers. This is huge for me.

More importantly, as you also pointed, the team bond is so great that even fans have become infected by it and everyone is catching the bug. The atmosphere at the Emirates has been so lifted that coming there is a joy for everyone including the fringe players. You see how the team and fans celebrate each win as if it's the final. As it stands now, if we eventually finish top 4 by God's grace, Emirates will be the place to be, the major attraction for many players who will be moving in the summer.

So you know all these things
Instead of you to allow us bask on the team's victory and coach success, you're always attacking lacazette(as if he's the key to our success) and the DWYL mantra

Omo when we start to they write write epistle here
Make una summarize na

50d33q:
Omo when we start to they write write epistle here
Make una summarize na

Jodera:

Na scummies Sabi write epistles especially when they are wailing.
Bushbaby no do pass this

50d33q:
Na scummies Sabi write epistles especially when they are wailing.
Bushbaby no do pass this

Na spy instigate am with him DWYL mantra oo

Him no wan allow us enjoy our arsenal in peace

Jodera:
So you know all these things
Instead of you to allow us bask on the team's victory and coach success, you're always attacking lacazette(as if he's the key to our success) and the DWYL mantra

I am not attacking Lacazette. A man cannot do beyond his capacity. I am attacking those who rate him like he is what we need when in fact he is not.

Ozil sef...

Some set of fans were insulting Arteta for letting him go

Spy360:
I am not attacking Lacazette. A man cannot do beyond his capacity. I am attacking those who rate him like he is what we need when in fact he is not.

This is the issue I wanted you to see since which you refuse to acknowledge. I have already known Laca is not a good goalscorer so I'm looking at the other aspect of his that will improve our game, I am not even rating him as one of the best player in the team. On the contrary you are not. Nobody is even rating him anyhow. Nobody here is advocating for his extension, everyone here knows he isn't the future, nobody says we need him even for next season.

But you will look for anything to criticize him even when the team is winning, gaining maximum points and playing well

mostob:
Ozil sef...

Some set of fans were insulting Arteta for letting him go

I just saw that news this evening.

Ferner suspends Ozil indefinitely
Na wa oo

Jodera:
This is the issue I wanted you to see since which you refuse to acknowledge. I have already known Laca is not a good goalscorer so I'm looking at the other aspect of his that will improve our game, I am not even rating him as one of the best player in the team. On the contrary you are not. Nobody is even rating him anyhow. Nobody here is advocating for his extension, everyone here knows he isn't the future, nobody says we need him even for next season.

But you will look for anything to criticize him even when the team is winning, gaining maximum points and playing well

This is not true. I have seen posts if not from you self that he should get a year or so.

You see, I am not the type that condemns players, people here know me for this. I defend our players a lot. For example Giroud.

I can also defend Laca, but not that he is good enough but that he is doing his best.

This argument started when you said he offers more than ginger, that's where I took the matter up.

Jodera:
This is the crux of the matter. He misses chances, fine and he should score more goals. That's different from you saying he brings nothing aside ginger and an out of form auba is better than him.

It's amazing how you bring other facets of his game then turn around and said he brings ONLY ginger. Except of course thev ginger you know is different from what I know.

And no, even if nketiah starts scoring goals, Laca will be paired with him upfront (na martinelli go suffer am). You think Arteta style of play don't rely on dominance?

Spy360:
I did not say he is entirely useless. I said apart from his ginger or his fighting spirit.

The only contribution he brings is that fighting spirit, which is good but not enough.

Some say he drops into midfield, but that's not his job. Honestly I prefer Nketiah because he sometimes drops deep and sometimes makes good runs, Laca kills attack simple.

In summary, I appreciate his efforts but there are not enough, he will not get a contract extension.