AZUH:
Lol his villiage people has finally called him back .

ahaha He is coming 4 u, dnt worry ahah

Godisgreatest1:


Oga, I paid 220K exactly to obtain community papers in Rivers state. The payment included some weird items like 'Widows empowerment' and 'family development' levies. I approved my building plan with 105K, But later they came to the site to demand for 50K for something they said I didn't pay for. They never stopped work because my papers were complete.

Kindly pay all the necessary fees, that's my advice. Those boys are extremely aggressive and they may extort you endlessly if you are not careful.

All the best.

Bross quick question did they give you an MPP&UD number?

n3xt:


No!

This one caught me off guard. Ok let me rephrase.

Based on your own calculation and recollections, do you think you are owing somehow any amount of money?

Please do not call for reconciliation of account

e still shock you

He wants to do the same song and dance again of arguing about what the value of work and materials for the refund is...

Same delay tactics..my advice for the client is to make sure the refund amount(if agreed) is written to and agreed with a clear amount and timeline....

If not , he will make some flimsy deposit and claim "a refund" has been made.

erico2k2:

ahaha He is coming 4 u, dnt worry ahah

Don’t mind my friend, he’s just joking. Between me that my village people called and him, who lives a better quality of life?

sonnie10:


This one caught me off guard. Ok let me rephrase.

Based on your own calculation and recollections, do you think you are owing somehow any amount of money?

Please do not call for reconciliation of account

Smiles.

Nothing should catch you off guard. If I go to sleep today and you wake me up 10 years later, I’d share the same truth with verifiable proofs that do not require review.

Read my comment here: https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/general-topic-thread-to-discuss-anything/2701#109204751

Truth is constant.

In 2015, we walked this route before.

Someone claimed Brabus stole N5m to the wild jubilation of the leftists. I only smiled and asked for a proof.

They used SARS, NIA, Zone 2 and even 2 years at Igbosere Magistrate court. In the end, the truth emerge.

I have nothing to hide. You can never find funds that I cannot explain in my account and I always keep a record of my daily activities.
They have never used my account or phone number to perpetrate fraud. So why should I fear anyone?

How hard is it to convict a criminal when there are proofs? Except someone is having something to hide.

n3xt:


Smiles.

Nothing should catch you off guard. If I go to sleep today and you wake me up 10 years later, I’d share the same truth.

Read my comment here: https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/general-topic-thread-to-discuss-anything/2701#109204751

Truth is constant.

To be honest with you, I have gone through the previous post from the link you provided.
In that post you mentioned that you might be able to refund #1M

I have never ever had any private conversation with you. Ever!
I have never met you in person
I have never emailed you.
All our conversations have been on this platform in the open.

But please I beg you to do this.
Put a date on when that # 1M. will be available in lump sum and let us know here in the public.

Whether it would be acceptable as final settlement should not be the issue now.

We are all humans.

n3xt:


Smiles.

Nothing should catch you off guard. If I go to sleep today and you wake me up 10 years later, I’d share the same truth with verifiable proofs that do not require review.

Read my comment here: https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/general-topic-thread-to-discuss-anything/2701#109204751

Truth is constant.

You won't stop lying.
it's in your blood.

You claimed what you owe is ₦1.072m even after we re-evaluated 4 times to arrive at ₦2.45m

Even with your claim, I challenged you by showing you things you didn't even capture in your own claim which you admitted to.

Today, you are back to repeating the same lie busted.

This is 4 months later

₦1 you never pay, but you are talking about truth being constant.

You keep showing the world why no one should trust you with their rubber spoon.

The one you claimed you owe haven't even been paid 4 months after, but you're here typing epistles.

n3xt:
In 2015, we walked this route before.

Someone claimed Brabus stole N5m to the wild jubilation of the leftists. I only smiled and asked for a proof.

They used SARS, NIA, Zone 2 and even 2 years in Igbosere Magistrate court. In the end, the truth emerge.

I have nothing to hide. You can never find funds that I cannot explain in my account and I always keep a record of my daily activities.
They have never used my account or phone number to perpetrate fraud. So why should I fear anyone?

How hard is it to convict a criminal when there are proofs? Except someone is having something to hide.

Please, lets not talk about this now.

I only work with the signed contract that bind us together. I am not bound by any other document.

Anyone can conjure anything they like.

sonnie10:


Please, lets not talk about this now.

What was discussed all through December won't be repeated again.
Everyone was here to know the conclusion

Going back to repeating them is of no use.

The question he has refused to answer since 4 months now is when is your "soon" that you keep begging to pay?

n3xt:
I only work with the signed contract that bind us together. I am not blinded by any other document.

Anyone can conjure anything they like.

I want this issue to be settled once and for all.
That is why I am begging you, please put a date on when that #1M would be available in lump sum and let us know.

Please mr Somehow, don’t take it that I am ignoring your comments. I will still come to back to you. Hope you understand.

This one is for the newbies and anyone that is yet to figure this out:

The fix is in!
You get defrauded and after trying to get your money back offline, you bring the matter here. After all the back and forth talking, the fraudster would be advised to pay what he can, never mind how much he actually owes to the victim. As can be seen above, #2m is being “negotiated” to #1m and several posters have presented this “#1m solution “ over the last couple of months. They would say half bread is better than none. People will tell you to manage it and cut your losses never mind the severe loss to inflation since you first gave money to the fraudster nor the emotional trauma. Dem go say “ Whether it would be acceptable as final settlement should not be the issue now. We are all humans.”

Frankly, it pays to be a fraudster here because even at the worst case scenario, it is VERY unlikely that you would ever have to pay what you owe in full. Heck! This is the perfect scam to “borrow” money at no interest and pay back less than you “borrowed.” So, what exactly is the deterrent for fraudulent behaviour? Not much, especially if you don’t do it all the time like N3xt. If they are just engaging in untoward behaviour once or twice a year, they may be able to stay under the radar so spend quality time on research. That they post often does not mean they are legit.

The first thing is to always search the name of the contractor and also search with the words “fraud” “scammer” “scam” “fraudster “ etc with the username. You may decide to gamble still go ahead after finding troubling results but you can be almost certain that you will never recover the full amount if things go south and on top of ponying up extra money to fix the fraudster’s scam, you may spend even more money trying to recover that “half bread.”

sonnie10:


I want this issue to be settled once and for all.
That is why I am begging you, please put a date on when that #1M would be available in lump sum and let us know.

I understand you sir and I respect your resolve to make things work but unfortunately my purse is deeply strained at the moment and I cannot make a commitment I cannot keep.

My ‘soon’ could be this evening or tomorrow morning or sometimes later.

All I can assure everyone is he’d be paid what I owed him.

________

On the other hand, my learned counsel, can you please help me ask my client what he’s implying by the statement he made in the attached below?

What other source is he expecting his refund from? If I don’t carry gun at night, or do yahoo yahoo or pre-order scam...

The verifiable (and legitimate) source of my income in the last one decade has been from construction.

I read to understand intent and purpose and not just to react.

This is just for the file record.

Aunty mmotimo, I acknowledge your presence ma.

Let me step off now for other performers.

mufutau55:


I hear you my sister, you kuku gentle.

Hajji M.

Yes Sir! Always loyal, Alhaji

n3xt:


I understand you sir and I respect your resolve to make things work but unfortunately my purse is deeply strained at the moment and I cannot make a commitment I cannot keep.

My ‘soon’ could be this evening or tomorrow morning or sometimes later.

All I can assure everyone is he’d be paid what I owed him.

________

On the other hand, my learned counsel, can you please help me ask my client what he’s implying by the statement he made in the attached below?

What other source is he expecting his refund from? If I don’t carry gun at night, or do yahoo yahoo or pre-order scam...

The verifiable source of my income in the last one decade has been from construction.

I read to understand intent and purpose and not just to react.

This is just for the file record.

Soon is not a commitment. We all know that. I am still begging you, please make a commitment to pay. Even if it means using any thing of equivalent value as bond for now.

When you say you don’t have it now, most people do not believe you including myself.

I suspect you are skeptical about whether the issue would be resolved. But read between the lines in Somehow”s comments, the answer is there.

n3xt:


I understand you sir and I respect your resolve to make things work but unfortunately my purse is deeply strained at the moment and I cannot make a commitment I cannot keep.

My ‘soon’ could be this evening or tomorrow morning or sometimes later.

All I can assure everyone is he’d be paid what I owed him.

________

On the other hand, my learned counsel, can you please help me ask my client what he’s implying by the statement he made in the attached below?

What other source is he expecting his refund from? If I don’t carry gun at night, or do yahoo yahoo or pre-order scam...

The verifiable (and legitimate) source of my income in the last one decade has been from construction.

I read to understand intent and purpose and not just to react.

This is just for the file record.

I thought you have been busy working since and don't have time for online performers?

No one gave you any tangible job on this thread for 6 years until I came calling innocently.

So without "clients" from nairaland, you can't make ends meet?

You don't have kobo City to find clients?

You don't have networks offline to find clients?

You are owing me millions and haven't paid a dime but you want me to give you a pass here so as to seek new "client"?

You have not cleared a mess, you want a pass?

One of your followers already said you can't be owing a "small boy like me". Funny enough, that fellow may likely be one of the people I feed through salary/commission.


What do you take us for?

erico2k2:

Bross quick question did they give you an MPP&UD number?

Yes they did, both where written on every page of the 4 sets of drawings I submitted to them. They kept 1 set and returned 3 to me.

Each page also has 2 stamps.

The 50K I later paid at the site was for something they mentioned later that I didn't pay for.

There was no other disturbance after that.

Happy Sunday Sir.

somehow:


I thought you have been busy working since and don't have time for online performers?

No one gave you any tangible job on this thread for 6 years until I came calling innocently.

So without "clients" from nairaland, you can't make ends meet?

You don't have kobo City to find clients?

You don't have networks offline to find clients?

You are owing me millions and haven't paid a dime but you want me to give you a pass here so as to seek new "client"?

You have not cleared a mess, you want a pass?

One of your followers already said you can't be owing a "small boy like me". Funny enough, that fellow may likely be one of the people I feed through salary/commission.


What do you take us for?

this is what we call see finish.

We all have different definition for the word “tangible.“ You know this sir. But make we leave talk....

Lastly, I carefully chose my words but I cannot but admit that your action here is actually working against me. Hence the reason I am struggling to pay.
Me wey my Business Development manager dey earn 350k/month years back and my carpenters dey receive 200k mobile phone as an incentive for a job well done.

______
Offline Network?

On the issue of networks, I have a different use for my positive connections.
______
Kobocity clients

On the issue of not picking clients from kobocity.com, the aim of the project is very clear and we are sticking to it.

It’s a community for self builders, diyers, contractors and tradespeople to discuss projects and exchange ideas. See the attached below.

_____
Pass?

I’m not looking for validation from anyone. Otherwise we won’t be here in the first place.

______
Please kindly bear with me, I’ll repay you soon.

Hello, to everybody,

Please the money our resident serial fraudster and the Head of Department of Gang of Thieves is oweing Mr somehow is NOT #1M. As at the last deliberation the following figures were mentioned:

(A) #1.072M
(B) #2M
(C) #2.45M

The focus should be on the above 3 values as any other figure may be seen as a tactical plot to 'stylishly defraud' Mr Somehow.

At NO POINT whatsoever was #1M a figure in this fraud.

Happy Sunday everyone.

Godisgreatest1:
Hello, to everybody,

Please the money our resident serial fraudster and the Head of Department of Gang of Thieves is oweing Mr somehow is NOT #1M. As at the last deliberation the following figures were mentioned:

(A) #1.072M
(B) #2M
(C) #2.45M

The focus should be on the above 3 values as any other figure may be seen as a tactical plot to 'stylishly defraud' Mr Somehow.

At NO POINT whatsoever was #1M a figure in this fraud.

Happy Sunday everyone.

Even the ₦1.072m he kept mentioning was before I showed him those things in the previous screenshots posted.

I have asked him to pay ₦2m since December.

₦1 I no see talk less ₦2m.

@n3xt
Go and sell anything of value you have to pay me, afterall you spent the money.

If you want me off your case, pay what you owe me.

One of my services is PR and Branding and I know how to do this well both ways.

Here is just a thread, kobo city is a full forum controlled by you, get your clients there if you want to continue without me on your case.

sonnie10:


Soon is not a commitment. We all know that. I am still begging you, please make a commitment to pay. Even if it means using any thing of equivalent value as bond for now.

When you say you don’t have it now, most people do not believe you including myself.

Even me too, I don’t believe I don’t have it either.

I suspect you are skeptical about whether the issue would be resolved. But read between the lines in Somehow”s comments, the answer is there.

I’m confident the issue will be resolved. I’ll try to explore other means.

Thank you for your time and resolve to make things work. Your unflinching resolve will never go unnoticed.

sonnie10:


The part you missed is that sometimes you could be initially contracted to do only one job in a site that requires 4 to 5 more previously undetermined jobs.

Let’s say to fix bathroom shower, but by time you started you discovered that pipes are broken.

By the time you agree out of good will to fix the pipe you discover that you have to tear down a concrete wall to do so.
By the time you break the wall , you realized that you have to build the wall back because “na you break am”
Is that how you met the wall when you came? Then you must paint it.

Las las, two days job you bargain for has turned to a week or two extra jobs with no agreed contract.

You dare not complain because you are a poor contractor who must satisfy oga homeowner. Whatever he likes, he pays you. After all, you already signed an agreement him. Or would you abandon the job halfway and risk being disgraced on Nairaland ?

As promised.

All these issues arise because of failure to follow a defined process and best practice.

They also arise from believing that goodwill alone is enough to make business go right, it is never enough, hence the need for defined terms of contract. It is when it gets to a stage of my word against yours that you come to appreciate that goodwill alone is insufficient basis for sustained business relations.

They also arise from poor documentation.

I am now providing some documents/images to help.

After you have agreed to defined terms and some issue arises, you have a variation.

You must discuss the variation with the client, you must also discuss the increase in costs as a result of the variation, the client has to sign off on the additional work.

If the client doesn't, then apply the principle of quantum meruit and walk out of the contract.

Alternative solution, bill enough to absorb the minor shocks of variations and finish the contract.

Back to my own example, my client was given a training outline, a contract was awarded per the training outline. At the end of the training, the participants (not the same persons as the awarder of the contract) said that what I taught was not what they expected, but remember they saw the outline and it was on the basis of the outline that the contract was awarded, I said ok, so what do you want me to teach instead? They gave me a list. I went back to prepare and came back and delivered the training later. I have enough buffers financially from the contract to absorb it, and I was not willing to lose millions over some mere misunderstanding.

I know a friend who hired a training venue in Lagos, and made arrangements for all the supporting logistics, paid flight tickets from trainers and when the team arrived from all over the country, the head of the department did not like the venue, this guy had to lose all the money paid for the week and had to come back to Abuja and hire another venue and repeat paying for the same logistics he had earlier paid in Lagos and deliver the same training.

Sometimes you lose today because of tomorrow. It is part of business. Business is never win win and profit all the time.

If variations involve less than 5% or 10% of the contract sum or profit, one may seriously consider if it is worth it to walk away or go ahead and build a relationship that can provide enough funds to absorb those costs or lead to introductions that will result in the same outcome.

Life of a contract picture is courtesy of legalgrind. com/littlelawbook/chpt07.html

Second image is courtesy of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTlwMJyo2xE

Third image is courtesy of red-bag. com/general-procedures/82-cm-pe-313-procedure-for-the-control-of-project-variations.html

n3xt:


this is what we call see finish.

We all have different definition for the word “tangible.“ You know this sir. But make we leave talk....

Lastly, I carefully chose my words but I cannot but admit that your action here is actually working against me. Hence the reason I am struggling to pay.
Me wey my Business Development manager dey earn 350k/month years back and my carpenters dey receive 200k mobile phone as an incentive for a job well done.

______
Offline Network?

On the issue of networks, I have a different use for my positive connections.
______
Kobocity clients

On the issue of not picking clients from kobocity.com, the aim of the project is very clear and we are sticking to it.

It’s a community for self builders, diyers, contractors and tradespeople to discuss projects and exchange ideas. See the attached below.

_____
Pass?

I’m not looking for validation from anyone. Otherwise we won’t be here in the first place.

______
Please kindly bear with me, I’ll repay you soon.

If you guys would want to use a court appointed mediator, that too is an option and not a bad one and they do resolve matters very fast.
Any of you can initiate it. What that would mean is that you have surrendered the matter to a civil authority who would not be seen as partial or an interest party. It cost little or nothing to go to mediation compared to the real legitimation route.

The outcome might turn out to be better than what you both are insisting on or demanding here.

But how is it possible that a world class builder who builds massive houses and sky scrapers everywhere, find it difficult to pay 2.45M, 2M or even as low as 1.072M??

Where are his supporters and the ones that give incessant audio recommendations?

An active contribution from an unneccesarily loud and proud set of humans will be just enough to pay up the stolen funds.

NL is a funny place.

People will just be bragging and recommending with empty pockets.

somehow:


Even the ₦1.072m he kept mentioning was before I showed him those things in the previous screenshots posted.

I have asked him to pay ₦2m since December.

₦1 I no see talk less ₦2m.

@n3xt
Go and sell anything of value you have to pay me, afterall you spent the money.

If you want me off your case, pay what you owe me.

One of my services is PR and Branding and I know how to do this well both ways.

Here is just a thread, kobo city is a full forum controlled by you, get your clients there if you want to continue without me on your case.

I’m actually updating my projects there but the clients are coming from here and other legitimate sources.

Am I supposed to install firewall or gatekeeper to prevent them from coming?

______
PR and Branding?

In the last 48 hours, the visit and engagement on the site kobocity.com has increased by 104%. The highest we ever had in the last 4 months.

Since we got into all this whole brouhaha, we’ve completed 3 projects that belong to people here. A lot of those attacking me knew this but just can’t say anything:
https://www.kobocity.com/d/135-projects-by-nexthome-designbuild/95

________

So for me, it’s actually mixed blessings and I’m happy your aim too is also being achieved while we work on the refund.

n3xt:


I’m actually updating my projects there but the clients are coming from here and other legitimate sources.

______
PR and Branding?

In the last 48 hours, the visit and engagement on the site kobocity.com has increased by 104%. The highest we ever had in the last 4 months.

Since we got into all this whole brouhaha, we’ve completed 3 projects that belong to people here. A lot of those attacking me knew this but just can’t say anything:
https://www.kobocity.com/d/135-projects-by-nexthome-designbuild/95

________

So for me, it’s actually mixed blessings and I’m happy your aim too is also being achieved while we work on the refund.

Then you shouldn't have issues getting a job.

Sell anything of value to pay my money.

Simple.

FEGEITOK:


As promised.

Thanks for sharing. Informative read.

n3xt:


I’m actually updating my projects there but the clients are coming from here and other legitimate sources.

Am I supposed to install firewall or gatekeeper to prevent them from coming?

______
PR and Branding?

In the last 48 hours, the visit and engagement on the site kobocity.com has increased by 104%. The highest we ever had in the last 4 months.

Since we got into all this whole brouhaha, we’ve completed 3 projects that belong to people here. A lot of those attacking me knew this but just can’t say anything:
https://www.kobocity.com/d/135-projects-by-nexthome-designbuild/95

________

So for me, it’s actually mixed blessings and I’m happy your aim too is also being achieved while we work on the refund.

do you have shame?


You're one person I looked up to when I discovered this thread but right now you're everything I will never wish to become. Just so you know, I have been to the said site and the building is a far cry from what you grab from the internet and post here. The walls are far from being aligned and the pillars filled with holes and cement bags used to patch up places.

If you are intelligent, your best line of action is take this case offline, discuss with your former client and find people who will beg him to find a middle ground.

Somehow is one of the best people you can meet in Nigeria and you can quote me anywhere. He should never have come across someone like you in his life.

Don't try and reply me as I'm too busy for you.

Make una come buy my gate. It's just 650,000

You people too Dey whine unasef. Person boldly chatted someone and said he won’t pay a dime not even the attorney general of the federation will make him pay and you’re all here discussing about 1m etc Omo this guy will only understand only one way and the way is written in Matthew 11 vs 12