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Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by johnw47: 7:41am On Apr 09, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
worthless fruitless useless
false jw mad max

i'm not surprised that you posted pic of a female
to represent the way you look at someone(posted below)

you often come across like a girlie in your posts:

1Co_6:9  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind

Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 8:44am On Apr 09, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
I have told you what we believe, i'm not forcing it on you so keep your opinion while i keep mine! smiley
I am not forcing my response on you likewise. This is a public forum, nairaland forum. I am not holding your jugular not to keep your thoughts or opinion.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:22am On Apr 09, 2022
achorladey:
I am not forcing my response on you likewise. This is a public forum, nairaland forum. I am not holding your jugular not to keep your thoughts or opinion.
Good!
So present your own religion too perhaps you can find interested persons instead of arguing up and down over what others teaches, talk about your own Church, what you people teach and the benefits! wink
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 10:21am On Apr 09, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Good!
So present your own religion too perhaps you can find interested persons instead of arguing up and down over what others teaches, talk about your own Church, what you people teach and the benefits! wink
The Bible you carry states in 1 Timothy 3:16,17 it is God's word that is inspired. The religious organization set up by men today feeds from the the Bible not the bible feeding from the church. The discussion centred here are what the scripture says not what your church says. It sometimes spill into some of the teachings of your religious organization and other denominations yet the base is what you the Bible says.

Learn. No dey carry the name of your religious organization like calf to be worshipped.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by cornelboy(f): 10:43am On Apr 09, 2022
oaroloye:
We can only come into our inheritance after we have overthrown HIM.

What people have been calling "HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM" is certainly not what Lord Yeshua and The Prophets had.



LORD YESHUA TOLD THE PEOPLE BEFORE HIM- WHO WERE BEING MEEK TO HIM- THAT THEY WOULD INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

He did not promise that this who were meek to THE PHARISEES AND SADDUCEES would inherit The Kingdom of Heaven.

[color=silver].[/color] THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.


[color=silver].[/color] THE TEN POUNDS OF DOMINION. (Luke 19:11-27.)

1. THE ABOVE; 2. THE BELOW.
3. THE EARTH; 4. THE NETHER REALMS.
5. FIRE; 6. WATER.
7. THE MOVING; 8. THE STATIONARY.
9. THE LOUD; 10. THE SILENT.


[See: JOURNEY TO IXTLAN: The Lessons of Don Juan, by Carlos Castaneda (1973).
THE EAGLE'S GIFT, by Carlos Castaneda (1981).
THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).]

THESE ARE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Nothing else.



YOU ARE JUST BABBLING NONSENSE, PRETENDING TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!



PEOPLE TELLING US THAT THE BIBLE SAYS THINGS, WITHOUT SHOWING US, ARE USUALLY DECEIVING US.

[color=silver].[/color]    MATTHEW 5:1-26.

AND seeing the multitudes,
he went up into a mountain:
and when he was set,
his Disciples came unto him:
2. And he opened his mouth,
and Taught them,
Saying,

3. "Blessed are
the Poor in spirit:
for theirs is The Kingdom of Heaven.
4. "Blessed are
they that mourn:
for they shall be comforted.
5. "Blessed are
the meek:
for they shall inherit the Earth.
6. "Blessed are
they which do
hunger and thirst
after Righteousness:
for they shall be filled.
7. "Blessed are
the merciful:
for they shall obtain mercy.
8. "Blessed are
the pure in heart:
for they shall see God.
9. "Blessed are
the Peacemakers:
for they shall be called

'THE CHILDREN OF GOD.'

10. "Blessed are
they which are persecuted
for Righteousness' sake:
for theirs is
The Kingdom of Heaven.
11. "Blessed are ye,
when men shall revile you,
and persecute you,
and shall say
all manner of evil
against you falsely,
for my sake.
12. "Rejoice,
and be exceeding glad:
for Great is
your Reward in Heaven:
for so persecuted they the Prophets
which were before you.
13. "Ye are
the Salt of the Earth:
but if the salt
have lost his savour,
wherewith shall it be salted?
it is thenceforth
good for nothing,
but to be cast out,
and to be
trodden under foot of men.
14. "Ye are
the Light of the World.
A city that is set on an hill
cannot be hid.
15. "Neither do men
light a candle,
and put it under a bushel,
but on a candlestick;
and it giveth light
unto all that are in the house.
16. “Let your light
so shine before men,
that they may see
your Good Works,
and glorify your Father
Which is in Heaven.
17. "Think not that I am come
 to destroy The Law, or The Prophets:
 I am not come to destroy,
but to fulfil.
18. "For verily I Say unto you,

'TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS,
ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE
 PASS FROM THE LAW,
 TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.'


19. "Whosoever therefore
shall break one
of these least Commandments,
and shall teach men so,
he shall be called The Least
in The Kingdom of Heaven:
but whosoever shall do
and teach them,
the same shall
be called Great
in The Kingdom of Heaven.
20. "For I Say unto you,

'THAT EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS
SHALL EXCEED
THE RIGHTEOUSNESS
OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES,
YE SHALL IN NO CASE
ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.'


21. "Ye have heard
that it was said of them
of Old Time,

'THOU SHALT NOT KILL;'

and

'WHOSOEVER SHALL KILL
SHALL BE IN DANGER
OF THE JUDGMENT:'


22. "But I Say unto you,

'THAT WHOSOEVER IS ANGRY
WITH HIS BROTHER
WITHOUT A CAUSE
SHALL BE IN DANGER
OF THE JUDGMENT:'


and whosoever shall say to his Brother,

'RACA,'

shall be in danger of the Council:
but whosoever shall say,

'THOU FOOL,'

shall be in danger of Hell Fire.
23. "Therefore if thou
bring thy Gift to the Altar,
and there rememberest
that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24. "Leave there thy Gift
before the Altar,
and go thy way;
first be reconciled
to thy brother,
and then come
and offer thy Gift.
25. "Agree with thine
Adversary quickly,
whiles thou art
in the way with him;
lest at any time
the Adversary
deliver thee to the Judge,
and the Judge deliver thee
to the Officer,
and thou be cast into Prison.
26. "Verily I Say unto thee,

'THOU SHALT BY NO MEANS
COME OUT THENCE,
TILL THOU HAST PAID
THE UTTERMOST FARTHING.' "


IMAGINE SOMEONE BEING SO FOOLISH, AS TO HATE LONG SCRIPTURAL QUOTATIONS!

Preferring to be ignorant of the Will of God they do not want to know about, while speculating uselessly on what The Truth might be- because they have no intention of applying anything, to achieve an actual RESULT!

Yet, Maximus the Mad has said to ME:



THE SPIRIT OF GOD GUIDES MY KNOWLEDGE!

Lying Colonial/Imperialist, Anti-Independence Racists guide MaxInDHouse.

These say that ADAM, EVE, AVRAHAM, YITZAK, YACUB, MOSES, LORD YESHUA, THE TWELVE, and PAUL were all OYINBOS LIKE THEM.

When they only said that since the 15th Century.

These people are terrified that they will have to admit that the Saviour of the World was a BLACK man, not a WHITE man!

White people cannot stay exposed to the sunlight of Israel for very long, because THEIR SKIN WILL BURN, and with prolonged exposure, DEVELOP CANCER.

The "Jews" do not come from ISRAEL, EGYPT, nor BABYLON, but a kingdom called KHAZARIA- which is now called UKRAINE.

[See: THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION (1897).
THE INTERNATIONAL JEW: The World's Most Foremost Problem, by Henry Ford (1927).
THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, by Arthur Koestler (1970).
THE INVENTION OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, by Shlomo Sand (2008).]

Any TOM, DICK, or HARRY can call themselves a "JEW."

[color=silver].[/color] ESTHER 8:7.

17. And in every province,
and in every city,
whithersoever the king's commandment
and his decree came,
the Jews had joy and gladness,
a feast and a good day.
And many of the people of the land became Jews;
for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.


The greatest secret in Western Christianity is that LORD YESHUA AND THE HEBREW PEOPLE WERE ALL BLACKS.

The most recognizable face in the World, the face of "JESUS OF NAZARETH" is based on LEONARDO da VINCI'S depiction of Jesus in THE LAST SUPPER mural.

His model was a man called CESARE BORGIA- the illegitimate son of RODRIGO BORGIA, who ascended to being POPE ALEXANDER VI.

This was a very interesting time period, because it had just been decided, by the OYINBOS people, to STOP RESPECTING THE BLACK PEOPLES.

They had just invented the letter "J," so there was no such thing as "JEHOVAH," "JOSHUA," 'JERUSALEM," "JOHN," or "JESUS," but rather, YAHWEH, YESHUA, YASHARAYLIM, YOCHANNAN, and YESHUA.

They split the English Church from Roman Catholicism, but all agreed together, to seize the HEBREW LEGACY, and start pretending that Bible History was about WHITE people.

THIS IS VERY SERIOUS, BECAUSE AN OYINBO DREAM HAS BEEN TO EXTERMINATE EVERY OTHER BRANCH OF HUMANITY, UNTIL ONLY THEY REMAIN.

Which Dream is now a feasible Reality. Engineered Diseases can target specific Races, while leaving their own intact.

[See: AN ESSAY ON THE PRINCIPLE OF POPULATION, by Thomas Malthus (1798).
ON THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES BY MEANS OF NATURAL SELECTION, OR THE PRESERVATION OF FAVOURED RACES IN THE STRUGGLE FOR LIFE (1859).
THE DESCENT OF MAN, AND SELECTION IN RELATION TO SEX, by Charles Darwin (1871).
HEREDITARY GENIUS, by Sir Francis Galton (1869).
ECOSCIENCE: Population, Resources, Environment, by John P. Holdren, Paul R. Ehrlich, Ann H. Ehrlich (1977).
THE ANGLICAN BOOK OF COMMON PRAYER (1549).
THE BOOKS OF HOMILIES, by John Jewel and Thomas Cranmer (1547).
THE TWO BOOKS OF HOMILIES APPOINTED TO BE READ IN CHURCHES (1859).
CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN, by John Perkins (2004).
ALBERTO, by Jack T. Chick.
DOUBLE-CROSS, by Jack T. Chick.
THE GODFATHERS, by Jack T. Chick.]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8f7ycnUtU

CHARLES DARWIN not only said that the Human Race had evolved from a common ancestor with APES, he also said that there are 58 Human Races, all at various levels of Evolution, AND THAT THE OLDER HUMAN RACES WERE EVOLVING BACKWARDS INTO ANIMALS.

He said that the "FULL-HUMANS" will have to DESTROY the "HALF-HUMANS," who do not deserve to share the Earth's resources.

An OYINBO who was awarded BEST SCHOOLTEACHER in NEW YORK STATE- exposed the fact that THIS IS WHAT EUROPEAN OYINBOS WERE TAUGHT AT THE RULERSHIP LEVEL, AND THAT THINKING IS WHAT GUIDES THEIR FOREIGN POLICIES.

Six years later, he was dead.



YOU THINK THAT GOD WITHHOLDS THE PLACE HE CREATED MAN FOR FROM THE RIGHTEOUS- THAT IS HOW CONFUSED AND IGNORANT YOU ARE.



WITHOUT INHERITING HEAVEN, ONE HAS NO AUTHORITY ON THE EARTH!

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 3:27.

27. John answered and said,

"A man can receive nothing,
except it be given him
from Heaven."



NO "MAYBE" ABOUT THAT!



THAT IS BECAUSE YOU STAND FOR NOTHING RIGHTEOUS.



THAT IS NOT WHAT "BORN AGAIN" MEANS.



A KINGDOM IS INHERITED AFTER THE DEMISE OF ITS FORMER KING.

The King who is keeping Heaven and Earth from us is SATAN.

We can only come into our inheritance after we have overthrown HIM.






YOU ARE JUST BABBLING NONSENSE, PRETENDING TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!




PEOPLE TELLING US THAT THE BIBLE SAYS THINGS, WITHOUT SHOWING US, ARE USUALLY DECEIVING US.



YOU THINK THAT GOD WITHHOLDS THE PLACE HE CREATED MAN FOR FROM THE RIGHTEOUS- THAT IS HOW CONFUSED AND IGNORANT YOU ARE.



WITHOUT INHERITING HEAVEN, ONE HAS NO AUTHORITY ON THE EARTH!

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 3:27.

27. John answered and said,

"A man can receive nothing,
except it be given him
from Heaven."
Hope everything is going well for you?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 11:44am On Apr 09, 2022
cornelboy:
So Jesus was giving the man false hope and also lying that he would be with him in paradise (which according to you is heaven) that same day but actually both of them ended in hell/grave.
No! The bodies ended up in grave while their spirits went to heaven

Pls is the grave same as paradise?
No!

After Jesus's resurrection he lived here on earth for another forty days.
Which Bible did you read it from that JESUS LIVED on earth for another FORTY DAYS?

Today wey Jesus promised the thief still never end? Or is earth now heaven?
It ended that same day.

You see your interpretation and reasoning is very incoherent.
Your interpretation and conclusion, not mine

Even if Jesus went to heaven that same day he died, there's no way the thief could be with him.
You know more than Jesus who promised thief that they will be together the same day.

Reasons:
1. He was not born again i.e baptized by the spirit or born of the spirit.
Are you with him on the cross?

2. The holy spirit came more than 43 days after Jesus's death.
This is because you lack scriptural understanding.

The Holy Spirit only came to prepare the desciples for the great work ahead that day, Holy Spirit was around during the life of Jesus.

Or is it not the same Holy Spirit the Father anointed Jesus with?

cheesy grin cheesy cheesy

In conclusion Jesus was talking about the future earth paradise smiley
Nothing like "EARTH PARADISE" in the Bible that's another word The Watchtower is using to confused you. So your conclusion has no hold on the scripture. cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 12:04pm On Apr 09, 2022
cornelboy:
Only Jehovah knows that.
But your organization know cheesy grin cheesy grin

Sorry lake of fire is symbolic not a literal place.
Whether symbolic or literal place you must follow your father the Devil to his abode cheesy cheesy grin cheesy cheesy cheesy

Learn under people wey know, ona no gree.
Okay go learn on your own, ona no understand. Oga gan o.
Learning from empty skull grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin grin

Weren't the disciples of Jesus persecuted?
Are they not peacemakers?
Were their heart not pure?
Were they not poor in spirit (but they were strengthen with the holy spirit)?
Were they not meek among them?
That's why all of them are in heaven now.

Is that not so?

That's what it seems to in your post.[/uote]

shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked

[quote]Are you telling me that just anyone that is a peacemaker or poor in spirit or persecuted for righteousness sake will inherit the kingdom even if he's a Muslim or from any other religion?
Learn baba.
Ask Jesus who says THOSE...

You go see reason for you too to donate your brain.
Donate my brain to people who I'm far knowledgeable than cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

Clap for yourself. You go still learn.
Yet I didn't read anything meaningful in your post since

What do you understand by inherit the earth?
Building different Kingdom halls and resell it for more profit cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy

Jesus didn't say they will see him o. He said they will see God.
And the dull brain is priding in his ignorance.

That point Is for your post where you said "Jehovah has given His command..."

Olodo oshhi

What's was the conclusion I gave you when you were saying your own?
You tell me

You remember when I said "what is your point gangan?"
And I told you, or you didn't see it?

I said you were only proving that the Bible is a contradiction.
But it's evident that you're the one who is doing that.

I will give you a brief conclusion on that chapter later.
Give your brothers in the hall they need it more than me.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Nobody: 1:45pm On Apr 09, 2022
e author=MaxInDHouse post=111734318]

Perhaps you never studied the scriptures with meditation Sir!

A Governing Body is a group of older men of the faith in Christ who are appointed as overseers of Jesus' flock.
Before Jesus left he appointed Peter the apostle as the spokesperson of that little group whom he called "Apostles" that's why Jesus said:

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Matthew 16:19

Jesus also commanded this same Peter saying:

When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?" "Yes, Lord," he said, "you know that I love you." Jesus said, "Feed my lambs." John 21:15

That's why you'll notice Peter always speaking up for the group {Act 1:13} anytime the need arises or whenever they're questioned! Act 2:14; 3:4,12; 4:19; 5:29

But does that mean Peter has become infallible since Jesus chose him as spokesman for the Apostles?
The answer is NO!
Because the same Peter failed woefully to acknowledge gentiles who has been baptized with God's Holy Spirit in the presence of Jewish Christians {Galatians 2:11-14} despite the fact that God has forewarned him not to discriminate against believers due to racism! Act 10:15

So there was a GOVERNING BODY in the first century and Apostle Paul whom Jesus used to correct peter acknowledged this BODY that's why he always report back to them:

As they traveled on through the cities, they would deliver to them for observance the decrees that had been decided on by the apostles and the elders who were in Jerusalem. Act 16:4 compare to 15:2

Apostle Paul emphasized on the need for all the Christian congregations to OBEY the counsel of the GOVERNING BODY! Hebrews 13:7, 17


So if you don't know that there was a GB after Jesus' ascension to heaven that's not my fault Sir! smiley


I did not spend time to read your trash, as for the apostles there was no succession, Apostle John was the last apostle who died around A.D100. Christ is the head of the congregation and he directs the church through his holy spirit......the apostles were not dictators of faith or busy formulating some kind of dogma for the members of the congregation rather as Paul said "they were fellow workers" not "masters of their faith"[/quote]
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Nobody: 1:45pm On Apr 09, 2022
AgirlsNightmAre:
e author=MaxInDHouse post=111734318]

Perhaps you never studied the scriptures with meditation Sir!

A Governing Body is a group of older men of the faith in Christ who are appointed as overseers of Jesus' flock.
Before Jesus left he appointed Peter the apostle as the spokesperson of that little group whom he called "Apostles" that's why Jesus said:

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Matthew 16:19

Jesus also commanded this same Peter saying:

When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?" "Yes, Lord," he said, "you know that I love you." Jesus said, "Feed my lambs." John 21:15

That's why you'll notice Peter always speaking up for the group {Act 1:13} anytime the need arises or whenever they're questioned! Act 2:14; 3:4,12; 4:19; 5:29

But does that mean Peter has become infallible since Jesus chose him as spokesman for the Apostles?
The answer is NO!
Because the same Peter failed woefully to acknowledge gentiles who has been baptized with God's Holy Spirit in the presence of Jewish Christians {Galatians 2:11-14} despite the fact that God has forewarned him not to discriminate against believers due to racism! Act 10:15

So there was a GOVERNING BODY in the first century and Apostle Paul whom Jesus used to correct peter acknowledged this BODY that's why he always report back to them:

As they traveled on through the cities, they would deliver to them for observance the decrees that had been decided on by the apostles and the elders who were in Jerusalem. Act 16:4 compare to 15:2

Apostle Paul emphasized on the need for all the Christian congregations to OBEY the counsel of the GOVERNING BODY! Hebrews 13:7, 17


So if you don't know that there was a GB after Jesus' ascension to heaven that's not my fault Sir! smiley


I did not spend time to read your trash, as for the apostles there was no succession, Apostle John was the last apostle who died around A.D100. Christ is the head of the congregation and he directs the church through his holy spirit......the apostles were not dictators of faith or busy formulating some kind of dogma for the members of the congregation rather as Paul said "they were fellow workers" not "masters of their faith"
Your brainwashing was a success
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:33pm On Apr 09, 2022
achorladey:
The Bible you carry states in 1 Timothy 3:16,17 it is God's word that is inspired. The religious organization set up by men today feeds from the the Bible not the bible feeding from the church. The discussion centred here are what the scripture says not what your church says. It sometimes spill into some of the teachings of your religious organization and other denominations yet the base is what you the Bible says.

Learn. No dey carry the name of your religious organization like calf to be worshipped.
In short you no get church, no wahala! wink

Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:36pm On Apr 09, 2022
AgirlsNightmAre:
Your brainwashing was a success
Just as Jesus' disciples were also BRAINWASHED to the extent of preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood! Matthew 10:22-25 smiley

Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 6:40pm On Apr 09, 2022
wink
MaxInDHouse:
In short you no get church, no wahala! wink
Na Church you and dem your people dey call the one you dey grin grin grin grin grin
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 6:48pm On Apr 09, 2022
AgirlsNightmAre:
e author=MaxInDHouse post=111734318]

Perhaps you never studied the scriptures with meditation Sir!

A Governing Body is a group of older men of the faith in Christ who are appointed as overseers of Jesus' flock.
Before Jesus left he appointed Peter the apostle as the spokesperson of that little group whom he called "Apostles" that's why Jesus said:

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Matthew 16:19

Jesus also commanded this same Peter saying:

When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?" "Yes, Lord," he said, "you know that I love you." Jesus said, "Feed my lambs." John 21:15

That's why you'll notice Peter always speaking up for the group {Act 1:13} anytime the need arises or whenever they're questioned! Act 2:14; 3:4,12; 4:19; 5:29

But does that mean Peter has become infallible since Jesus chose him as spokesman for the Apostles?
The answer is NO!
Because the same Peter failed woefully to acknowledge gentiles who has been baptized with God's Holy Spirit in the presence of Jewish Christians {Galatians 2:11-14} despite the fact that God has forewarned him not to discriminate against believers due to racism! Act 10:15

So there was a GOVERNING BODY in the first century and Apostle Paul whom Jesus used to correct peter acknowledged this BODY that's why he always report back to them:

As they traveled on through the cities, they would deliver to them for observance the decrees that had been decided on by the apostles and the elders who were in Jerusalem. Act 16:4 compare to 15:2

Apostle Paul emphasized on the need for all the Christian congregations to OBEY the counsel of the GOVERNING BODY! Hebrews 13:7, 17


So if you don't know that there was a GB after Jesus' ascension to heaven that's not my fault Sir! smiley


I did not spend time to read your trash, as for the apostles there was no succession, Apostle John was the last apostle who died around A.D100. Christ is the head of the congregation and he directs the church through his holy spirit......the apostles were not dictators of faith or busy formulating some kind of dogma for the members of the congregation rather as Paul said "they were fellow workers" not "masters of their faith"
I did not spend time to read your trash, as for the apostles there was no succession, Apostle John was the last apostle who died around A.D100. Christ is the head of the congregation and he directs the church through his holy spirit......the apostles were not dictators of faith or busy formulating some kind of dogma for the members of the congregation rather as Paul said "they were fellow workers" not "masters of their faith"
Point well placed
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Janosky: 7:18pm On Apr 09, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
Lies from the pit of hell. huh
What sort of GIBBERISH are you typing?

You mean you don't know the garden of Eden was Paradise?

SMH.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Janosky: 7:26pm On Apr 09, 2022
achorladey:
Point well placed
Today, @ 6:40pm,Achorladey says "Point well placed" proven that the Governing Body exist in Jerusalem, the Bible view point,JWs have emphasized repeatedly on this public forum.
Another day Achorladey deceptive man go come back here to continue LYING.
Today is 9th April, 2022.
I have recorded this for future reference.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by OLAADEGBU(op): 7:45pm On Apr 09, 2022
Janosky:
What sort of GIBBERISH are you typing?

You mean you don't know the garden of Eden was Paradise?

SMH.
The Garden of Eden no longer exists. It was destroyed and dislodged during Noah's Flood.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey:
Janosky:
Today, @ 6:40pm,Achorladey says "Point well placed" proven that the Governing Body exist in Jerusalem, the Bible view point,JWs have emphasized repeatedly on this public forum.
Another day Achorladey deceptive man go come back here to continue LYING.
Today is 9th April, 2022.
I have recorded this for future reference.
I did not spend time to read your trash, as for the apostles there was no succession, Apostle John was the last apostle who died around A.D100. Christ is the head of the congregation and he directs the church through his holy spirit......the apostles were not dictators of faith or busy formulating some kind of dogma for the members of the congregation rather as Paul said "they were fellow workers" not "masters of their faith"
shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked


Point well placed grin grin grin grin grin want to score cheap points. Na NO GET SENSE PEDDLING cause am grin grin grin. You better shine your eyes. Who has the quoted post above?

Another day Achorladey deceptive man go come back here to continue LYING. Today is 9th April, 2022. I have recorded this for future reference
My lies are your truth. I await as you come back recanting again grin grin grin grin
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:33pm On Apr 09, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
The Garden of Eden no longer exists. It was destroyed and dislodged during Noah's Flood.
Psalms 37:9-11, 29; 67:6-7
Isaiah 11:5-6; 25:8; 35:5-6; 65:21-25

YES! It was dislodged during the flood but to be restored again, that's why Jesus asked us to pray for God's Kingdom to come! Matthew 6:10 smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by OLAADEGBU(op): 9:08pm On Apr 09, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Psalms 37:9-11, 29; 67:6-7
Isaiah 11:5-6; 25:8; 35:5-6; 65:21-25

YES! It was dislodged during the flood but to be restored again, that's why Jesus asked us to pray for God's Kingdom to come! Matthew 6:10 smiley
All the verses you quoted up there is talking about the physical Kingdom that is to come when Christ sets up His Kingdom here on earth but what your organisation is ignorant of is what Jesus said below:

"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21).

Jesus who is the physical presence of the Kingdom of God was telling the Pharisees that the Kingdom of God is among them, so close to them only if they could discern it. He had brought the Kingdom of God into to the hearts of those who would receive Him but blind Pharisees just like the blind bats of JW's organisation could not, would not and cannot see it. cool
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Janosky: 10:38pm On Apr 09, 2022
achorladey:
By Agro guy:
as for the apostles there was no succession, Apostle John was the last apostle who died around A.D100. Christ is the head of the congregation and he directs the church through his holy spirit......the apostles were not dictators of faith or busy formulating some kind of dogma for the members of the congregation rather as Paul said "they were fellow workers" not "masters of their faith"

shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
This is where Achorladey's "well placed" comments & poster friend fall yakata....

Acts 15:2-29, 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 & Hebrews 13:7,17, did the Governing Body dictate & formulate what those servants of Jehovah believe & practice?

Immediately After John's demise, did all their leadership die & every believer were sheep without shepherds?
Yet,Paul is teaching about leadership & obedience?


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achorladey:
Point well placed grin grin grin grin grin want to score cheap points.
See who is talking about "score cheap points" when he done expose his own FALSEHOOD !
Achorladey rewind your memory to the incessant GIBBERISH you spearhead on this public forum (with Rottennaija & your Atheist crews) attacking the existence of the Governing Body in Acts chapter 15
.

achorladey:
Na NO GET SENSE PEDDLING cause am grin grin grin. You better shine your eyes. Who has the quoted post above?

My lies are your truth. I await as you come back recanting again grin grin grin grin

"Recant" what?
Achorladey desperate diversionary tactics.
Oga, continue LYING & console yourself.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Janosky: 10:52pm On Apr 09, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
All the verses you quoted up there is talking about the physical Kingdom that is to come when Christ sets up His Kingdom here on earth but what your organisation is ignorant of is what Jesus said below:

"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21).

Jesus who is the physical presence of the Kingdom of God was telling the Pharisees that the Kingdom of God is among them, so close to them only if they could discern it. He had brought the Kingdom of God into to the hearts of those who would receive Him but blind Pharisees just like the blind bats of JW's organisation could not, would not and cannot see it. cool
Oga,Your ignorance is bae grin grin grin

"You must pray then like this:
Our Father who art in heaven hallow be thy name, LET YOUR KINGDOM COME.. Your be done on earth as it is in heaven."

So, you no know say Isaiah chapter 65:17-25 & Revelation 21:1-5 is a prophecy of God's coming kingdom?

Is wolf ,Lamb & Lion eating straw in heaven?Kumuyi dey feed you with DELUSION grin
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 12:19am On Apr 10, 2022
Janosky:
This is where Achorladey's "well placed" comments & poster friend fall yakata....

Acts 15:2-29, 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 & Hebrews 13:7,17, did the Governing Body dictate & formulate what those servants of Jehovah believe & practice?

Immediately After John's demise, did all their leadership die & every believer were sheep without shepherds?
Yet,Paul is teaching about leadership & obedience?


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.

See who is talking about "score cheap points" when he done expose his own FALSEHOOD !
Achorladey rewind your memory to the incessant GIBBERISH you spearhead on this public forum (with Rottennaija & your Atheist crews) attacking the existence of the Governing Body in Acts chapter 15
.



"Recant" what?
Achorladey desperate diversionary tactics.
Oga, continue LYING & console yourself.
Still looking for cheap points grin grin grin

This is where Achorladey's "well placed" comments & poster friend fall yakata....
Make I see how e fall yakata

Acts 15:2-29, 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 & Hebrews 13:7,17, did the Governing Body dictate & formulate what those servants of Jehovah believe & practice?
Show me Governing body in all of these verses. You go read am tire from all translations you no go see one person dem call governing body or governing body member. You don throwaway your NIV grin grin grin


Immediately After John's demise, did all their leadership die & every believer were sheep without shepherd's? Yet,Paul is teaching about leadership & obedience?
Na your NO GET SENSE PEDDLING cause the apostles were not the OWNERS of the sheep in the first place. Chai, the owner of the sheep even promised his sheep the help of the Holy spirit grin grin grin and added he will be with them until the conclusion of system of things. grin grin grin. Enjoy the free Bible study.

Those leading that Paul was talking about are NOT GOVERNING BODY or GOVERNING BODY MEMBERS. Stop infusing your ARCHAIC IDEAS TO BE MOCKED AND ARE IRRELEVANT AS A RESULT OF RECENT BIBLICAL EVIDENCE into the Bible grin grin grin



See who is talking about "score cheap points" when he done expose his own FALSEHOOD !Achorladey rewind your memory to the incessant GIBBERISH you spearhead on this public forum (with Rottennaija & your Atheist crews) attacking the existence of the Governing Body in Acts chapter 15.
Now you have to pluggin other monikers to ensure you push your cheap point to the line. grin grin grin. Those discussion based on the non existent governing body for Bible still dey make you peddle WAILINGS pele grin grin grin


Recant" what?
Achorladey desperate diversionary tactics.
Oga, continue LYING & console yourself.
Janosky who is the best man owner of that post. Did you see that person talk about governing body.

Do they govern over the faith of OTHERS.

RECANTATIONS time grin grin grin grin
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:50am On Apr 10, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
All the verses you quoted up there is talking about the physical Kingdom that is to come when Christ sets up His Kingdom here on earth but what your organisation is ignorant of is what Jesus said below:

"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21).

Jesus who is the physical presence of the Kingdom of God was telling the Pharisees that the Kingdom of God is among them, so close to them only if they could discern it. He had brought the Kingdom of God into to the hearts of those who would receive Him but blind Pharisees just like the blind bats of JW's organisation could not, would not and cannot see it. cool
Well Jesus is the future King of God's Kingdom and his presence means a lot to those living in the first century because his teachings will set the pace so that all those following his footsteps closely will inherit God's Kingdom.
That's what he meant there but as for that Kingdom it is until Jesus began ruling the earth that we all can see it for real, that's why he asked us to continue praying for God's Kingdom to come! Matthew 6:10

In God's Kingdom people will no longer think of choosing rulers for themselves but we will all rely on the standard set by Jesus so there won't be any reason for us to lift up weapons against one another in a bid settle differences {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} today Jehovah's Witnesses have used what Jesus taught them to settle all their racial disparities so that none of them is carrying weapons against anyone in the name of patriotism {Psalms 46:9} but do you know that your fellow deeperlife member in another country will carry weapons against you if the ruler of his country is having issues with Buhari?
That has been settled amongst Jehovah's Witnesses due to the teachings of our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus! 2Corinthians 4:4 smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by cornelboy(f): 1:41pm On Apr 10, 2022
Emusan:
But your organization know cheesy grin cheesy grin
Whether symbolic or literal place you must follow your father the Devil to his abode cheesy cheesy grin cheesy cheesy cheesy
Learning from empty skull grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin grin
That's why all of them are in heaven now.
Is that not so?
You half baked knowledge of the scriptures won't do you no good.
It's time you asked for more wisdom or donate your brain to the 8 men you esteem as Gods.

John 3:3,5 NLT
[3]Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
[5]Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.

What Jesus meant here is crystal clear. Only those that are born of the spirit can enter the kingdom.

If someone is naturally a gentle or meek person and doesn't believe in Jesus and Jehovah, there's no way he could have eternal Life on earth talkless of seeing the kingdom.

We even see from the scriptures that no one can be pure in heart or righteous without being baptized by the spirit. We are sinful by nature.

Meekness, enduring during persecution, righteousness etc are fruits of the spirit.

Galatians 5:22-23 KJV
[22]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[23]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Matthew 19:27-28
[27]Then Peter said to him, “We’ve given up everything to follow you. What will we get?”
[28]Jesus replied, “I assure you that when the world is made new and the Son of Man sits upon his glorious throne, you who have been my followers will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

We see from this above verses that the rewards for the apostles is to judge the new world (paradise) together with Christ.

Dem no go dè heaven forever. The kingdom (Jesus, the apostles, and the rest of the 144000) will fully come to earth to judge it.

They will defeat any opposing human/Satan government and authority and restore peace to earth. Daniel 2:44.

After Jesus has fulfilled his mission, he will hand over the kingdom to GOD the Father who will rule over everything including Jesus himself. I Corinthians 15:24-28.

Revelation 21:1-3
[1]Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone.
[2]And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
[3]I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.

If you can't figure these things out yourself, I would advice you to donate your brain to the 8 men god.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by cornelboy(f): 2:51pm On Apr 10, 2022
No! The bodies ended up in grave while their spirits went to heaven
Where did you see that in the Bible?
It's your assumption right?

Acts of the Apostles 2:24,27
[24]But God released him from the horrors of death and raised him back to life, for death could not keep him in its grip.
[27]For you will not leave my soul among the dead
    or allow your Holy One to rot in the grave.

It's never too late to donate your brain.

Which Bible did you read it from that JESUS LIVED on earth for another FORTY DAYS?
It ended that same day.
Well it's in every version of the Bible.

This shows that you don't have broad knowledge of the scriptures. You could have even check it out on the internet or the Bible before asking me baby question.
Are you very lazy?

It ended that same day.
The promise could only be fulfilled at the 43rd day when Jesus ascended into heaven.

You know more than Jesus who promised thief that they will be together the same day.
The scripture is all clear to me.

The translators that put the comma before today made a mistake. And the meaning it gives is incoherent.

It should be like this: "..I assure you today, you'll be with me in paradise."

Are you with him on the cross?
Were you?

This is because you lack scriptural understanding.
Your posts are actually evidence that you lack scriptural and unscriptural understanding.

Nothing like "EARTH PARADISE" in the Bible that's another word The Watchtower is using to confused you. So your conclusion has no hold on the scripture. cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy cheesy
New earth, new world dé na
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Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Nobody: 2:52pm On Apr 10, 2022
achorladey:
Point well placed
Please can you help Maximus to get a rehab
He's an extremist that never wants to reason from a plane perspective, he is busy formulating convoluted theories to fit his doctrine
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:01pm On Apr 10, 2022
AgirlsNightmAre:
Please can you help Maximus to get a rehab
He's an extremist that never wants to reason from a plane perspective, he is busy formulating convoluted theories to fit his doctrine
No wahala!

Aren't you the one DOUBTING what you formerly believe below?

AgirlsNightmAre:
DID NOAH'S FLOOD REALLY HAPPENED, AND IF IT HAPPENED WAS IT WORLDWIDE?

THE GENESIS ACCOUNT OF CREATION HAS A LOT OF LOOPHOLES," LIGHT WAS CREATED BEFORE THE SUN".......

A LOT OF INCONSISTENCIES IN SOME VERSES IN THE BIBLE, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THIS VERSES WAS LATER PLAGIARIZED BY COPYISTS?

WHY IS THE THE BOOK OF ENOCH REJECTED, WHEN JUDE QOUTES FROM IT IN HIS LETTER

There are more than this, they are somethings that need a second thought before being dogmatic, religion from what I've seen limits your thinking capacity.....
Females like you were advised to learn in SILENCE! 1Timothy 2:12 wink
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 3:17pm On Apr 10, 2022
AgirlsNightmAre:
Please can you help Maximus to get a rehab
He's an extremist that never wants to reason from a plane perspective, he is busy formulating convoluted theories to fit his doctrine
He obtained those convoluted theories from his taskmasters.

Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by cornelboy(f): 4:29pm On Apr 10, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
No wahala!

Aren't you the one DOUBTING what you formerly believe below?



Females like you were advised to learn in SILENCE! 1Timothy 2:12 wink
Be like say na male o.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:42pm On Apr 10, 2022
cornelboy:
Be like say na male o.
She just edited her profile! wink
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by OLAADEGBU(op): 4:58pm On Apr 10, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Well Jesus is the future King of God's Kingdom and his presence means a lot to those living in the first century because his teachings will set the pace so that all those following his footsteps closely will inherit God's Kingdom.
That's what he meant there but as for that Kingdom it is until Jesus began ruling the earth that we all can see it for real, that's why he asked us to continue praying for God's Kingdom to come! Matthew 6:10

In God's Kingdom people will no longer think of choosing rulers for themselves but we will all rely on the standard set by Jesus so there won't be any reason for us to lift up weapons against one another in a bid settle differences {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} today Jehovah's Witnesses have used what Jesus taught them to settle all their racial disparities so that none of them is carrying weapons against anyone in the name of patriotism {Psalms 46:9} but do you know that your fellow deeperlife member in another country will carry weapons against you if the ruler of his country is having issues with Buhari?
That has been settled amongst Jehovah's Witnesses due to the teachings of our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus! 2Corinthians 4:4 smiley
"But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you." (Luke 11:20).

Jesus is only coming to reign with those who have already received Him spiritually into their lives on His first coming. If He is not currently reigning in your heart you will not reign with Him in His Second Coming.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:03pm On Apr 10, 2022
OLAADEGBU:
"But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you." (Luke 11:20).

Jesus is only coming to reign with those who have already received Him spiritually into their lives on His first coming. If He is not currently reigning in your heart you will not reign with Him in His Second Coming.
"Reign in the heart" is what most religionists do say yet they will join killers in the name of patriotism to kill their fellow believers in whose hearts they also claim Jesus is reigning! Matthew 26:52

So stop deceiving yourself! smiley
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