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PoliteActivist:
Show us the agreement. Produce the agreement. Everybody knows Putin and Russia have been the consistent liars in these affairs

tutudesz:
The agreement was before the dissolution of Soviet Union.
Nato was created 4 April 1949 and Warsaw pact 14 May 1955, so how was NATO instituted to defend against Warsaw path
You are the one that need to get his history right

3headedgoattt:
If you can read pls help yourself

gamechanger547:
Things are getting interesting as what is good for one side is also good for the other.

11-04-2022.

China ships weapons to Serbia
The move has spurred fears of an arms buildup by “Russian ally” amid the Ukraine crisis

A Chinese official confirmed on Monday that Beijing had made a delivery of military equipment to Serbia under a longstanding partnership with the Balkan nation, but the transfer has reportedly rattled nerves in the West as media outlets warned of an “arms buildup” by a “Russian ally” amid the Ukraine crisis.

Six Chinese Air Force Y-20 transport planes landed in Belgrade on Saturday to deliver their cargoes. The delivery was routine under a cooperation plan between the countries, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told reporters on Monday. It has “nothing to do with the current situation” and doesn’t target any other nation, he added.

The Associated Press and other media outlets speculated that the planes were carrying HQ-22 surface-to-air missiles that Serbia had ordered from China. Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic hinted at a big announcement this week, saying that he would introduce “the newest pride” of his country’s military.

US and UK media outlets called the delivery
“secret,” “veiled” or “semisecret” and said that it had raised fears of a military buildup at a time of war between Russia and Ukraine. AP suggested that the shipment could “threaten the fragile peace” in the Balkans.

It’s not clear how the delivery could have been secret, inasmuch as the cargo was flown into Belgrade on six massive transport planes, passing through the airspace of Turkey and other NATO members. China’s state-owned Global Times newspaper reported on the shipment, trumpeting it as potentially the largest overseas operation in the Y-20’s history. The outlet even speculated that the planes were delivering HQ-22 missiles, the export version of which is known as the FK-3.

Western outlets also made claims of the delivery raising geopolitical concerns without identifying any of the people or governments with concerns. The alleged fears also come at a time when the US and other NATO members are accelerating shipments of weapons to Ukraine.

US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan bragged in an interview on Sunday that Washington was sending weapons to Ukraine “every day” under a plan to ensure that Kiev can repel Russian forces and help achieve America’s goal of weakening and isolating Moscow.

Both China and Serbia have been criticized for failing to join the US and its allies in imposing sanctions against Russia. US officials warned Serbia in 2020 against purchasing HQ-22 systems, saying it must align its military equipment with Western weaponry if it wants to join the European Union or NATO.

China has long been a close ally of Serbia. When NATO bombed Serbia in 1999, the Chinese embassy in Belgrade was hit, leading to protests in Beijing. NATO called the incident a mistake, saying the embassy wasn’t targeted.

Earlier this month, China’s Foreign Ministry said NATO should have been disbanded after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. NATO was the “initiator” of the Ukraine crisis because it undermined Russian national security by breaking promises against expanding eastward after the Cold War ended, Lijian said on April 1.

gambojimeta:
USA sanctioned Cuba due to the deposition of the Batista regime. Russia too is free to sanction Ukraine (instead of the meaningless invasion), since Russia is superpower according to you.

Since Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia joined NATO almost 20 years ago, has Russia being attacked?

thinkmoney:
I know Warsaw came after NATO. I wasn't being very specific really...NATO was formed to specifically defend against soviet union, which also shortly as a countermeasure formed the Warsaw pact.
The purported agreement was between Nato and Soviet union and the defensive organs - warsaw pact that it formed. It is generally agreed that Russia is the natural successor of these elements. This my last fact is the bane of this our argument.
Put simply, the agreement was between the west headed by USA and Russia.

Appleyard:
The central of the Republic is Russia.

Every kindergarten knows that R actually means Republic, but Russia is the head of that Republic and hence it's sole inheritor of all that constituted the Republic's power.

Cyrus176:
They don't need to attack Russia first...joining nato is seen as an attack by Russia.

Igbofam:
Did you even bother to read what you posted?

1. That was not an agreement. They are minutes of a conversation which was about Germany being neutral and the position of USA with her allies regarding NATO. It clearly says that if her Allies wanted her (USA) to leave they would do so in a minute. However do the allies want USA toml leave? NO.
Instead the allies are now the ones WILLINGLY wanting to join NATO. How is that the fault of NATO or USA?

2. I am sure you saw the name GORBACHEV there. In full that name is MIKHAIL GORBACHEV and he was the "President" of USSR and not the Russia of today.

The USSR was made up of 15 republics then and they were, Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Belorussia, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. ALL OF THESE "REPUBLICS" HAVE NOW BROKEN AWAY FROM USSR and In 1991, the USSR was dissolved following the collapse of its communist government.

So assuming there was even any agreement which there isn't, that agreement died the day USSR was dissolved and all the other republics detached from her.

Learn your history

engrfaruq:
How would the US react if Russia decides to station nuclear warheads in Mexico, I guess by your analogy, Russia is free to associate with Mexico na, abi no be so?

MangekyoAlt:
Putin should just move a little ground troops and some of those nuclear Bombers to the border. Russia has made it clear now that NATO expansion to the east will not be tolerated again. If Finland, and Sweden do anyhow, na then them go know say those Nukes in Russia's arsenal aren't just there for fancy. They were designed to be used, and used they will be

God bless Emperor Vladimir Putin AKA #godOfWar
God bless mother Russia

railone:
Let me ask you a simple question. If you have a contract with Dangote Group and for some hypothetical situation, the Dangote Group liquidate and its subsidiaries are now stand alone companies. Can you now hold Dangote cement accountable for a contract you had with Dangote Group of Companies??

Appleyard:
Russia created Ukraine. Yes, Ukraine was part of the Union, but the formation of the Union was spearheaded by Russia and that is why Russia became the sole inheritor of all the primary military might and capability of the Republic. Hence, some scholars in the west even refer to the USSR as Russia.

Oddfinder:
Lol..you're just speaking upside down..first, u guys said there was no agreement..we produced one. U said it's a minute..if i upload the rest document now you'll stil change goal post.
That agreement was held in 91 after the break of the USSR. Assuring Russia of no further expansion to the east. Thats towards former members of the union..do u want more proof?

Demolakay:
u mean Finland will hold it's ground against Russia? Something even d USA is scared to say! u should b happy d war in Ukraine is not a full blown war.soo many restrictions, unlike wat happened in Afghanistan ND Libya,if not, Ukraine will not stand 1week of full open,no restriction warfare.Now ur hyping a country only gud at manufacturing Nokia phones.pound for pound,war for war,no country can take on Russia in Europe,not even d UK.carry out research bfor dishing out information.

tutudesz:
Upload the documents that said so

Appleyard:
This narrative is puerile. What constitutes legal agreement? In contract law, we have expressed and implied terms. A contract is entered into either explicitly or implicitly. Thus, verbally, there was a contract between NATO and the USSR that there shouldn't be an Eastward expansion.

And what is this talk of the USSR has collapsed? What does the 'R' in the USSR stands for? Russia!





And what is this

DerrickzB:
When I see comment like this, I don’t reply usually but I have to reply this, NATO and Russia has an agreement of no further NATO expansion tor he East, what is NATO coming to the east for?? Your enemy can’t keep expanding to your neighbors house and you sleep in peace.. no way bro

Appleyard:
That's the price you pay when you chose to play host to the geopolitical toggles between great powers. That's Ukriane' problem, not mine.

Nobody said Ukraine will fall in two weeks, stop parroting falsehood. The area Russia already occupies in Ukraine is as the UK in size. They are fighting a strategic war, not a war of conquest. Many Ukrainian troops are already surrendering to Russian forces. Keep dreaming of a Putin's disgrace.

Qaddafi and Hussein are tyrants just because they refuse to be puppets of western imperialism. Life in Libya under Qaddafi was better than any European standard of living, but I guess you don't know that since you have your head buried deep in the anus of western msm zombification. Now, life in Libya and Iraq are better off without your so-called tyrants, right?

Stop being myopically emotional and see the real enemy here--US led western imperialism.

railone:
inherit which Republic power. You guys and spinning around. It's like a trademark for you guys.
You didn't know the R was Republic and when you were corrected as usual you decide to spin it around.

Guess the country that made Russia relevant as opposed to the other members of the SU?
The country you guys love to hate, America.

Same way the made Mainland China relevant instead of Taiwan. And in all this, what they get in return is hate.

3headedgoattt:
If you can read pls help yourself

obedience4:
Mumu man why don't you face your weapons against Latvia, only facing country that are not in NATO..

diplomat058:
Russia was legally recognized as the successor state to defunct USSR. She inherited her assets and liabilities

DerrickzB:
Are you aware that Ukraine is almost 2times bigger than Finland?? And Ukraine is in ruins!! Russia would swallow Finland bro!! Let’s hope such doesn’t even exist!! There is a reason Russia is a world power and america has avoided direct confrontations with them!! If you think Russia has rolled out 20% of their arsenals then you are being deceived and just so you know, The chenchen soldiers, LPR and DPR militias and very little units of Russia soldiers are the ones fighting the Ukraine war!! If Russia pulls up actually, forget it..

railone:
Let me ask you a simple question. If you have a contract with Dangote Group and for some hypothetical situation, the Dangote Group liquidate and its subsidiaries are now stand alone companies. Can you now hold Dangote cement accountable for a contract you had with Dangote Group of Companies??

thinkmoney:
One...u have been shifting posts...our argument was on the sanctity of keeping to agreements.
You are not a good debater.
I will however still give you a document that is said to be from the arrangement. I know you must have known the whole thing is being debated on. But this wasn't the point of our argument. We started this argument from the assumption that there was an agreement.

Appleyard:
Really? Tell me you're kidding.

Ask Cuba.