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postmann:
it's getting dumasaphobic already.

This should not be personal, we are all learning and if we need to unlearn what we have read & trusted and relearn , that is an individual prerogative to do. You are not going to change one's thought process in few hours but at least it will provide food for thought.

rickleye:
1.My 2 cents - You are both saying the same thing.

2. In Genesis - God Instituted marriage - You both agree. You both agree on the Curse - which was that she would long for a husband but he would have authority over her.

3.. Paul in Ephesians provides clarity with regards to Hierarchy and leadership - You cannot have 2 captains run a ship . Christ is the head , followed by the Man and then woman. They are both equal yet when a final decision on a matter is to be said, this decision lies with the head of the family.( the man) .

4. Could you imagine - discussing ways to discipline a child - one parent says face the wall, the other parent says go to your bed. The guy will be confused whose order does he obey. ( pardon my lousy example) but to avoid confusion. One must lead. Where the man is not available, the woman is equally equipped to carry out the responsibilities as head of the household.

5. Paul further when dealing with an Issue in the epistles further says woman should be silent in the church and learn from their husbands ( I understand the reason why but its to show that man in his household have a certain leadership authority over women)

1. We can't both be said to be in agreement since we are both not saying the same things at all.

2. God instituted, and then cursed marriage, along with man himself, after man fell. That is what took place in Genesis.

3. Paul, assuming he infact wrote that letter, was wrong in supposedly providing clarity to what is a hierarchy born of God's curse on man. God never sent anyone out to preach the old curse to anyone else.

God sent Jesus Christ to redeem us from God's curse - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22, and He gave us rules to allow us live above the curse. In Jesus Christ, the only head/Master over each and everyone who belongs to God is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. No one can serve two masters in the Kingdom of God, that much He made abundantly clear.

4. Yes, I can imagine such a discussion and even such things are made simple when you only go with someone who agrees with you you in such things before marriage than marrying your opposite only to then seek ways to rule over them in marriage.

Again, for those who are of Jesus Christ, there can be no other master except Jesus Christ. What you However describe here is a situation of one who lives comfortably, and delusionally, under the curse which is against Jesus Christ.

5. No man has right given him by God to silence his fellow. So what Paul supposedly did here is equally wrong.

In the Kingdom of God, there are no males or females, jews or gentiles, black or whites.... there are only Sons of God and Jesus Christ is the one and only Head/Master, Teacher, Shepherd, Helper, Guide, Comforter and first born above each of them.

Kobojunkie:
1. We can't both be said to be in agreement since we are both not saying the same things at all.

2. God instituted, and then cursed marriage, along with man himself, after man fell. That is what took place in Genesis.

3. Paul, assuming he infact wrote that letter, was wrong in supposedly providing clarity to what is a hierarchy born of God's curse on man. God never sent anyone out to preach the old curse to anyone else.

God sent Jesus Christ to redeem us from God's curse - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22, and He gave us rules to allow us live above the curse. In Jesus Christ, the only head/Master over each and everyone who belongs to God is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. No one can serve two masters in the Kingdom of God, that much He made abundantly clear.

4. Yes, I can imagine such a discussion and even such things are made simple when you only go with someone who agrees with you you in such things before marriage than marrying your opposite only to then seek ways to rule over them in marriage.

Again, for those who are of Jesus Christ, there can be no other master except Jesus Christ. What you However describe here is a situation of one who lives comfortably, and delusionally, under the curse which is against Jesus Christ.

5. No man has right given him by God to silence his fellow. So what Paul supposedly did here is equally wrong.

In the Kingdom of God, there are no males or females, jews or gentiles, black or whites.... there are only Sons of God and Jesus Christ is the one and only Head/Master, Teacher, Shepherd, Helper, Guide, Comforter and first born above each of them.

There is where we agree to disagree.

Five different times the Jewish leaders gave me thirty-nine lashes. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. Once I spent a whole night and a day adrift at sea. 26 I have traveled on many long journeys. I have faced danger from rivers and from robbers. I have faced danger from my own people, the Jews, as well as from the Gentiles. I have faced danger in the cities, in the deserts, and on the seas. And I have faced danger from men who claim to be believers but are not.[c] 27 I have worked hard and long, enduring many sleepless nights. I have been hungry and thirsty and have often gone without food. I have shivered in the cold, without enough clothing to keep me warm. 28. Then, besides all this, I have the daily burden of my concern for all the churches.

You are telling me that a man who went through all that is wrong ?

Isn't all Scripture breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work - so how can he be wrong ?

In the Kingdom of God, there are no males or females, jews or gentiles, black or whites [i][/i]- The theme of his discourse here is harmony and unity we are all one in Christ . Which we are in marriage ! Yet, in the hierarchy the man is the head of the household . Even in the kingdom of God there is hierarchy. Jesus had disciples who became apostles - we have labels ( Pastors, Teachers, Apostles, Evangelist , Prophets for order) without this we will be in chaos.

rickleye:
There is where we agree to disagree.

1. You are telling me that a man who went through all that is wrong ?

2. Isn't all Scripture breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work - so how can he be wrong ?

3. In the Kingdom of God, there are no males or females, jews or gentiles, black or whites [i][/i]- The theme of his discourse here is harmony and unity we are all one in Christ . Which we are in marriage ! Yet, in the hierarchy the man is the head of the household

4. Even in the kingdom of God there is hierarchy. Jesus had disciples who became apostles - we have labels ( Pastors, Teachers, Apostles, Evangelist , Prophets for order) without this we will be in chaos.

1. Yes, many of what is recorded in Paul's letters are in fact antiChrist- teachings against Jesus Christ's own teachings.

2. All knowledge of good and of evil belongs to God, not just your scripture, even the words out of the mouth of Satan not excluded. However, not all knowledge and not all written in scripture is God's Truth..

Understand the above and you realize how it can be, and is that Paul, a mere man, can indeed be wrong.

3. Wrong! The one whose teaching that comes from is Jesus Christ, the very same one who also said yoiur marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 - meaning that whatever hierarchies you invent for yourselves in your marriages has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ and His Kingdom.

What this means is, again, Paul, was wrong in attempting to teach people how to live in their marriages since Jesus Christ made it clear that marriage had nothing to do with the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

4. Don't confuse the assumptions of Paul with Jesus Christ abeg. According to Jesus Christ, there are no hierarchies in the Kingdom of God. There is He, the Vine, and everyone else is a branch directly off the vine.. John 15 vs 1 - 11 - that is the Church Jesus Christ built with His own hands.

In the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ alone is Teacher, Master/Head and authority/leader, Comforter, Guide, Helper, Shepherd etc., over each one who belongs to Him.

Your contract with God was directly through Jesus Christ , who is also the contract/Covenant/Law, and He alone is the representative of the Kingdom of God who directly manages your case - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30

Kobojunkie:
As I have tried to explained, there are none of your earthly hierarchies in the Kingdom of God. There is Jesus Christ ,the Vine Himself, and every one(irrespective of earthly status, gender and age) else a branch directly off the vine - John 15 vs 1 - 11

Your earthly hierarchies exist outside of the Kingdom of God and have absolutely nothing to do with that which was commanded of God through Jesus Christ.

Kobo I'm talking about "Marriage" o not "The kingdom of God"!! ...

Favfables1:
Kobo I'm talking about "Marriage" o not "The kingdom of God"!! ...

But you clearly see from my posts that my focus is the Kingdom of God and not the rules that apply to the world.

rickleye:
This should not be personal, we are all learning and if we need to unlearn what we have read & trusted and relearn , that is an individual prerogative to do. You are not going to change one's thought process in few hours but at least it will provide food for thought.

1. First of all, what gave you the impression that the person arguing with you is trying to change their thought process?
2. Is the Bible not clear enough on those issues?
3. What exactly are you re-learning that you don't already know?

Every thing they are arguing on this thread is written clearly in ABC in the bible. No need for someone to interprete for anybody.

This is a no-brainer, It's like arguing about the 10 commandments and saying you want to re-learn? Are you a machine learning model? What is the purpose of re-learning something that was written in a clear form.

There is hierarchy any where you are, It was clearly stated. Whether in heaven or earth, any one you want. She can disagree and say, this is not how I want to run my life or my home. I don't need a head or hierarchy over my house, I want to run my life simply the way I want to run it and nobody will beat her.

truthsayer009:
1. First of all, what gave you the impression that the person arguing with you is trying to change their thought process?
2. Is the Bible not clear enough on those issues?
3. What exactly are you re-learning that you don't already know?

Every thing they are arguing on this thread is written clearly in ABC in the bible. No need for someone to interprete for anybody.

This is a no-brainer, It's like arguing about the 10 commandments and saying you want to re-learn? Are you a machine learning model? What is the purpose of re-learning something that was written in a clear form.

There is hierarchy any where you are, It was clearly stated. Whether in heaven or earth, any one you want. She can disagree and say, this is not how I want to run my life or my home. I don't need a head or hierarchy over my house, I want to run my life simply the way I want to run it and nobody will beat the her.

I agree on all points.
I just don't like to assume I know it all or follow the general understanding blindly. So when this fellow counters with his view, I need to step back and make sure that I am not missing anything and once sure , I can move on.

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