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DerrickzB:
You are the first reasonable person I have had a discussion with on this Russo-Ukraine crisis!! You learned and articulated.

The thing is, we pray that Russia doesn’t invade Finland, because there is every possibility they could nuke Finland and the rest of the EU country!!

I know it's a bad take but I hope He does.

When people fail to learn from history, they are bound to repeat the mistake of the past.

With or without the help of the "West", Russia in his current format is close to a revolution just like the Soviet Union and other fascism regime in the past.

This I attribute to the increase in the number of opposition voices. Those opposition will start bonding together to form a force that can't be stop.

Opening a second war threatre with Finland might be the push necessarily to hasten that.

OR

I might be wrong and the Russians enjoy being dictated to on how to live and express themselves

dasparrow:
Na dem sabi. But I thought Finland was already part of NATO?

Finland is not part of NATO. Check out NATO member countries
https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome/index.html#members

Frankiss44:
Such a pity that 6000 Jules won't be able to stop millions of Russian death if he decides to use just one nuke

Of course the nation or nations that even tried to send their own nukes towards Russia will get times 100

Ordinary Ukraine Putin has not defeated, he is aiming at another country. Pride goes before a great fall

greatness77:
your Usa droped over 20million cluster bomb in vietnam and planted 4million mines now its over 2 decades those bombs and mines are still exploding and killing innocent students and farmers, hypocrite!!

Shuuu is USA the issue here,we are talking Russia so why shifting goal post or did USA attack Ukraine?

Mrtaye:
Looolz bitter truth, answer the question naw

Nope, so?

Mrtaye:
USA isn't using any Ukraine..is Ukraine not a soverign nation or is it Russia that will decide for Ukraine

Man Russia isn't deciding for Ukraine.

Ungodly:
Ride on Putin… we love you.

When will you release your EP and feature Wizkid, best vocalist in the world?

railone:
Yes they are free but Mexico would never dream of it because unlike Russia, the US don't bully its neighbors.

You get it now... If you're good to your neighbors, they don't seek foreign help.

Same scenario is playing out in South China Sea where China is claiming they own it despite being told they don't. When those neighboring countries now chose alliance with America to push back China's aggression, you guys will come up with the stupid take "how will America feel if China stations weapons in Mexico, yen yen yen".
You guys never ask why those countries chose such alliance in the first place.

I guess we're now talking about freedom, so in that case, I want you to discuss Iran vs US relationship vis-a-vis freedom to own nuclear weapons

engrfaruq:
I guess we're now talking about freedom, so in that case, I want you to discuss Iran vs US relationship vis-a-vis freedom to own nuclear weapons

read NPT and the UN role in it then you'll understand better.

That the US is the only one making an effort to keep the world safe and yet get vilify is beyond me

4ckyou:
Finland better respect yourself, being neutral is better than taking sides, dont start what you can't finish, Ukraine has been destroyed, don't let the west deceive you just like they deceived Ukraine

Putin won't Try That Type If Nonesense With Finland .... Na Obliteration E Dey Beg For So...

Mr researcher, who are you by way

Benny6944:
So funny.. what happens when you make good research about Finland before your bulshits speech here?

tutudesz:
How many war Putin wan fight at once

At times, you dont need to fight, all you need to do, is to SHOW YOUR HAND!
Russia is showing its hand to Finland (and Sweden).
I hope they would have learned "something" from Ukraine.
MAURIPOL just fell about an hour ago! They said it cant fall and they would defend it fiercely but Fell, it Fell..

You cant guarantee your own security, by undermining the Security of your more Powerful neighbour.

All these while, for Centuries, that Sweden and Finland were not a member of any Military Alliance, not a member of NATO, (not even the EU, they just have a "loose arraignment" with the EU), there was NO WAR between them and Russia but now, they want to poke the Bear in the eye, by trying to join NATO!

Why join NATO, when you are not under threat from Russia, if not just that you want to threaten Russia yourself?
This is the question their Citizens must ask their Leaders, before 'hot-heads' lure them into another Ukraine.

WATCHOVER:
There is no way I would not blame NATO, an agreement was reached stopping further NATO expansion but NATO is going against the rules, that is why am Supporting Russia not that am happy for War.
Agreement is Agreement

The question still remains " y r this countries picking up NATO membership forms in the first place?"...if only Russia will stop bullying it's small neighbouring countries...Russia (USSR) have invaded Finland b4,..and there is a high chance that d "land grabbers" will still invade in the future...so for this countries security, they all want to join NATO...

kafeii123:
Putin won't Try That Type If Nonesense With Finland .... Na Obliteration E Dey Beg For So...

You are saying Finland will obliterate Russia?
Even as a Joke, if is distasteful.


I am sure you will one day, say Nigeria will just obliterate Russia.
Russia has become like Nigeria's Presidency, every Clown wants to belong.

Truvelisback:
Putin is a Fearless Lion.

Which Fearless, what stops him from placing those weapons in NATO countries bordering Russia, I pity Finland, they would have joined long time ago. Putin is afraid of NATO countries and if he truly wants war he should attack Poland or Estonia.

railone:
read NPT and the UN role in it then you'll understand better.

That the US is the only one making an effort to keep the world safe and yet get vilify is beyond me

What's UN again? You mean that US controlled body? I'll take that nuclear treaty serious when all nuclear powers dispose their nuclear weapons.

roGF22:
The question still remains " y r this countries picking up NATO membership forms in the first place?"...if only Russia will stop bullying it's small neighbouring countries...Russia (USSR) have invaded Finland b4,..and there is a high chance that d "land grabbers" will still invade in the future...so for this countries security, they all want to join NATO...

Good question! Why are they not all rushing to join NATO, up until this war started? Why now? Why was Finland or Sweden not afraid of Russia before the Ukraine invasion and why was there no Invasion of this countries, before then, despite not being NATO members?
Can we say their "neutrality" is a better guarantor of their Safety, than being NATO members?
Even tiny Ireland, who is neutral now (after being invaded by The British and Belfast (Northern Ireland) annexed from them, just as Russia annexed Crimea, has not been attacked in recent times, despite not being a NATO member.

Why is it that it is those countries surrounding Russia, that are being belligerent towards Russia and scrambling to join NATO?
These are questions l am pondering about, as l try to figure-out what is going on,

I can predict that in not too distant future, a few Countries, including Russia and China, will form another Military Alliance like NATO (we had the "Warsaw Pact" before, during the Cold War era), that will give enough Muscle to any of its members, to fight a NATO Member Country and NATO will just sit-down and watch.
Mediation will be their only Option.

NATO does not want to go into War (it was set-up as a "Deterrence" ab initio ) but it seems its current bad leadership and under the prompting of America and sensing a sort of "weakness" in Russia, whether real or just contrived, NATO is willing to openly challenge Russia to War!

That War wont be good for Russia, wont be good for the whole of Europe nor for America. No WINNERS, in such War.
But l also think there are "sensible and intelligent people" who are not suicidal, on all sides. These people will one day, press the RESET Button.
One High ranking Official in Finland is already warning her country to "take a pause and think this through properly".

I dont think America will go to War with Russia, because it landed a Missile in Estonia or Latvia or Poland.
It is these "tiny" Countries that are poking Russia in the face right now, just like Ukraine, trying to draw America into a full-scale War.
So far, America has refused, Germany has refused, France has Refused (UK under Boris is just a Noise maler trying to use the Ukraine war to cover up for his failure in Hom Politics).

If Russia invades Sweden or FInland, when it is "on the verge" of joining NATO, America will just look the other way and apply more SANCTIONS!
There is an Article of NATO that says you cant join the Alliance, when you are cirrently at War with another country.
That clause was put there, to ensure that countries like Ukraine wont draw them into any foolish battle of its own.

That is why l see Russia taking "Pre-Emptive Steps" (lik eit has just taken), if Sweden and FInland go ahead with their threat.

engrfaruq:
What's UN again? You mean that US controlled body? I'll take that nuclear treaty serious when all nuclear powers dispose their nuclear weapons.

and that's why all your take have been wrong since the beginning. Thinking you matter in the grand scheme of things.
Whether you take the treaty serious or not, it is what it is.
Any country that tries to create nukes will face the same hurdle as Iran, failure to stop will lead to sanctions.

Your opinion doesn't change anything there

Excuzeme:
At times, you dont need to fight, all you need to do, is to SHOW YOUR HAND!
Russia is showing its hand to Finland (and Sweden).
I hope they would have learned "something" from Ukraine.
MAURIPOL just fell about an hour ago! They said it cant fall and they would defend it fiercely but Fell, it Fell..

You cant guarantee your own security, by undermining the Security of your more Powerful neighbour.

All these while, for Centuries, that Sweden and Finland were not a member of any Military Alliance, not a member of NATO, (not even the EU, they just have a "loose arraignment" with the EU), there was NO WAR between them and Russia but now, they want to poke the Bear in the eye, by trying to join NATO!

Why join NATO, when you are not under threat from Russia, if not just that you want to threaten Russia yourself?
This is the question their Citizens must ask their Leaders, before 'hot-heads' lure them into another Ukraine.

80% of the citizens see Russia has a threat presently and Finland to join NATO, according to a poll.
Russia wants to divide Ukraine into 2

Excuzeme:
Good question! Why are they not all rushing to join NATO, up until this war started? Why now? Why was Finland or Sweden not afraid of Russia before the Ukraine invasion and why was there no Invasion of this countries, before then, despite not being NATO members?
Can we say their "neutrality" is a better guarantor of their Safety, than being NATO members?
Even tiny Ireland, who is neutral now (after being invaded by The British and Belfast (Northern Ireland) annexed from them, just as Russia annexed Crimea, has not been attacked in recent times, despite not being a NATO member.

Why is it that it is those countries surrounding Russia, that are being belligerent towards Russia and scrambling to join NATO?
These are questions l am pondering about, as l try to figure-out what is going on,

I can predict that in not too distant future, a few Countries, including Russia and China, will form another Military Alliance like NATO (we had the "Warsaw Pact" before, during the Cold War era), that will give enough Muscle to any of its members, to fight a NATO Member Country and NATO will just sit-down and watch.
Mediation will be their only Option.

NATO does not want to go into War (it was set-up as a "Deterrence" ab initio ) but it seems its current bad leadership and under the prompting of America and sensing a sort of "weakness" in Russia, whether real or just contrived, NATO is willing to openly challenge Russia to War!

That War wont be good for Russia, wont be good for the whole of Europe nor for America. No WINNERS, in such War.
But l also think there are "sensible and intelligent people" who are not suicidal, on all sides. These people will one day, press the RESET Button.
One High ranking Official in Finland is already warning her country to "take a pause and think this through properly".

I dont think America will go to War with Russia, because it landed a Missile in Estonia or Latvia or Poland.
It is these "tiny" Countries that are poking Russia in the face right now, just like Ukraine, trying to draw America into a full-scale War.
So far, America has refused, Germany has refused, France has Refused (UK under Boris is just a Noise maler trying to use the Ukraine war to cover up for his failure in Hom Politics).

If Russia invades Sweden or FInland, when it is "on the verge" of joining NATO, America will just look the other way and apply more SANCTIONS!
There is an Article of NATO that says you cant join the Alliance, when you are cirrently at War with another country.
That clause was put there, to ensure that countries like Ukraine wont draw them into any foolish battle of its own.

That is why l see Russia taking "Pre-Emptive Steps" (lik eit has just taken), if Sweden and FInland go ahead with their threat.

You haven't answered the simple question you quoted to answer. just saying vague sentences to sound intelligent.

Neutrality didn't stop Ukraine from being invaded. "Tiny countries" as you put it can stand up to Russia knowing Russia won't dare trample on their sovereignty because of NATO membership.

Finland and Sweden chose to be neutral. Finland and Sweden are now choosing to join an alliance they believe will protect their interest.
IT IS THEIR CHOICE!. How that makes Russia feel is up to Russia. It doesn't concern neither Finland nor Sweden.

The world has changed, be good to your neighbors if you plan on having enemies abroad.

DerrickzB:
You are the first reasonable person I have had a discussion with on this Russo-Ukraine crisis!! You learned and articulated.

The thing is, we pray that Russia doesn’t invade Finland, because there is every possibility they could nuke Finland and the rest of the EU country!!

and d rest of Europe don’t have nukes ? U guys just like to talk like only Russia has nukes .
If Russia nukes any country,Russia will be nuked also

JohnBullMySon:
Without Nuclear weapons. Russia can't stand USA. It has been overstated long before now.

U mean d same USA dat can't win a war without support of it allies.lets av a war btw d USA ND Russia, without interference or any support,make we c Wu Sabi pass.Even d USA dare not say wat a neutral person lyk u is saying.no country d USA fears more wen it comes to warfare Dan Russia.Witout nuclear weapons too USA is nothing too..we saw it in Vietnam, Afghanistan,etc.pls dose ur hyping sef know deir limitations.

Excuzeme:
At times, you dont need to fight, all you need to do, is to SHOW YOUR HAND!
Russia is showing its hand to Finland (and Sweden).
I hope they would have learned "something" from Ukraine.
MAURIPOL just fell about an hour ago! They said it cant fall and they would defend it fiercely but Fell, it Fell..

You cant guarantee your own security, by undermining the Security of your more Powerful neighbour.

All these while, for Centuries, that Sweden and Finland were not a member of any Military Alliance, not a member of NATO, (not even the EU, they just have a "loose arraignment" with the EU), there was NO WAR between them and Russia but now, they want to poke the Bear in the eye, by trying to join NATO!

Why join NATO, when you are not under threat from Russia, if not just that you want to threaten Russia yourself?
This is the question their Citizens must ask their Leaders, before 'hot-heads' lure them into another Ukraine.

After all d yeye show of hand Sweden has decided to submit application to join nato and 64% of Sweden citizens voted in favor of it .
Ukraine never joined nato yet pootin decided to attack them ,why won’t his other neighbors join nato?
U guys blame me everyone except pootin,have u ever sat down and ask urself why pootin neighbors would rather ally with the west than Russia ? Or can they all be wrong about saint . Pootin

tutudesz:
How many war Putin wan fight at once

The US that keeps stoking the war feels it will never get to their shores. Just wait until you see the main film. Down with imperialistic US and its vassals!

gaspology:
The US that keeps stoking the war feels it will never get to their shores. Just wait until you see the main film. Down with imperialistic US and its vassals!

It will not get to America shores, NATO

tutudesz:
NATO made that agreement and they have the right to change the agreement. Freedom of Association is a right of every individual and country

Has Russia attacked Finland in anyway? You have to understand that NATO is wooing this people, it’s not that they woke up and want to be part of NATO.

ericmani:
Has Russia attacked Finland in anyway? You have to understand that NATO is wooing this people, it’s not that they woke up and want to be part of NATO.

Finland and Sweden cited Ukraine invasion as their major reason

Both are members of EU

Russia invasion of Finland will bring into full scale war with Europe

Many with economies larger than their own

Even USA will not win such a war

Powersurge:
I dey shake my head. "R" in USSR stands for Russia. To slap u dey hungry me.

The Union derives it existence from the existence of Russia as a republic.

WATCHOVER:
There is no way I would not blame NATO, an agreement was reached stopping further NATO expansion but NATO is going against the rules, that is why am Supporting Russia not that am happy for War.
Agreement is Agreement

With who did NATO made the agreement??
Russia didn't even exist as an independent nation when the so called verbal agreement was reached. Abeg talk true jor.

railone:
Dude, I just said you should read and understand and clearly that's a hard thing for you to do.
Did you not see the part where Dutch forces that were on peacekeeping mission was attacked and overwhelmed by the Serbian? or you don't understand the concept of interest.

is an attack on Dutch forces not considered an attack on the Netherlands itself when it's not at war with the attacker?

Clearly you just like to argue for arguing sake before you neither want to understand anything just only reply.

Shalom

Nonesense again. Dutch forces acting outside the territory of Netherland doesn't fall under the protection of article 5 of NATO if they come under attack by an enemy in a crisis they're engaged in. You keep manufacturing baseless excuses. Did the Serbian attack on Dutch forces triggers the article 5? No. Why? Because it falls short of the provisions of the article and NATO charter.

NATO got involved out of pure emotions.

The only scenario where article 5 has been triggered was when the 9/11 attack happened in the US, and even that too was faulty because it wasn't the Taliban that did it, but so-called Al Qaida.