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GreatAxeMan:
Don't worshippers of prophet Sex Award Winner (SAW) use him in prayer requests? Didn't allah himself also pray for his favourite prophet?

Your LORD got virgins from spoils of war in Numbers 31:40 after all their families were killed.

That's the definition of sex award winner.

The context is intermediary in request!

MaxInDHouse:
This is understandable my friend, so the point is using intermediaries to make requests shey?

Of course it's not logical asking for any favour from a King through his servants but you can do that through an heir to the throne (Prince) because the King will listen to his son's request and whatever the Prince tells his dad (King) about you will be taken seriously!

Is the King deaf or non-accessible?

AntiChristian:
Is the King deaf or non-accessible?

Mankind has been alienated from Him that's why all those needing life everlasting from Him must come through the Son! John 14:6

AntiChristian:
Your LORD got virgins from spoils of war in Numbers 31:40 after all their families were killed.

Haba AntiChristian, this again!
Why do you and allah keep running away from the challenge I have set for you and allah on this issue?


I have told you that no Christian will ever dispute Numbers 31:40 on the grounds that female refugees from the Midianites and Moabites were taken into custody. However the question which you keep dodging is, where is sex or sexual intercourse mentioned in that verse?

This should be very easy for you to answer, after all you have the example set by allah himself when he revealed a koranic verse which allows mûdslîmé men to rape married women in front of their husbands:

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That's the definition of sex award winner.

No, the definition of a Sex Award Winner (SAW) is someone who awards sex to his followers as a reward for serving him as mindless slaves. This is the perfect example of a Sex Award Winner:

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The context is intermediary in request!

An intermediary essentially means an intercessor or a go between.
Is it not the case that in between having orgasms with Houris, prophet Sex Award Winner (SAW) is acting as an intermediary for his slaves?

Narrated Ibn Masʿud: the Prophet ﷺ said: "My life is a great good for you, you will relate about me and it will be related to you, and my death is a great good for you, your actions will be exhibited to me, and if I see goodness I will praise Allah, and if I see evil I will ask forgiveness of Him for you."

(Hayātī khayrun lakum tuhaddithūna wa yuhaddathu lakum wa wafātī khayrun lakum tuʿradu aʿmalukum ʿalayya famā ra'aytu min khayrin hamidtu Allāha wa mā ra'aytu min sharrin istaghfartu Allāha lakum

Musnad Al-Bazzar (Volume 1: Number 397) with a sound chain as stated by al-Suyuti in Manahil al-Safa (p. 31 # and al-Khasa'is al-Kubra (2:281), al-Haythami (9:24 #91), and al-ʿIraqi in Tarh al-Tathrib (3:297) - his last book.

Shaykh ʿAbd Allah al-Talidi said in his Tahdhib al-Khasa'is al-Kubra (p. 458-459 #694) that this chain is sound according to Muslim's criterion, and Shaykh Mahmud Mamduh in Rafʿal-Minara (p. 156-169) discusses it at length and declares it sound.

Muslims are equating allah's knowledge with muhammad's knowledge. That's why they say:

"Allah and his apostle ﷺ know best"

If muslims truly believe that nobody else is equal to allah they would have just said: "Allah knows best", without including muhammad.

mhmsadyq:
How does these makes him equal to Allah?

AntiChristian:
Are all these like in Jesus name and hail Mary?

Dey think na!

I'm surprised that a follower of the dimwit uneducated illiterate who believes that the sun sets in a pool of water is asking me to think.

Why are you worried about Jesus being an intermediary in Christendom? That is our doctrine and it is based on the Trinity. Only a Divine Intermediary can mediate on behalf of God's Elect (The Church)

Perhaps you should concern yourself with prophet Sex Award Winner (SAW) and the partnership of obedience he enjoys with allah!

Or have you forgotten that allah and Sex Award Winner (SAW) are partners in obedience? Let me refresh your memory:

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The sex award winner is the one who was awarded virgins in Numbers 31:40.

But nowhere in our scriptures does our God make sex awards! Here is the real Sex Award Winner (SAW):

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GreatAxeMan:
Muslims are equating allah's knowledge with muhammad's knowledge. That's why they say:

"Allah and his apostle ﷺ know best"

If muslims truly believe that nobody else is equal to allah they would have just said: "Allah knows best", without including muhammad.

Wrong meaning!

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. This should be sufficient.

MaxInDHouse:
Mankind has been alienated from Him that's why all those needing life everlasting from Him must come through the Son! John 14:6

So He didn't hear anyone's prayers till Jesus came?

No one prayed in Jesus name before Jesus was thirty years. So how were prayer answered if they were alienated from God?

mhmsadyq:
Wrong meaning!
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. This should be sufficient.

He mediates between you and your God that's why you need to learn his language and obey the rules set in the book (Qu'ran) brought all the way from Saudi Arabia to you here in Africa!
So the OP has a God who also use a mediator to reach him!

AntiChristian:
So He didn't hear anyone's prayers till Jesus came?

He opens his hands to bless all living creatures so whether you're worshiping Him or not God doesn't deprive you of good things {Matthew 5:45} so even when He has no direct business with most people they're thinking it's their Ògún, Ọbàtálá, Ọ̀ṣẹ̀rẹ̀màgbò, Amadioa, Zeus, Hermes or Jupiter that's answering their prayers whereas God is blessing all living things now. But when God's Kingdom comes only disciples of Jesus will be saved.
Even your own religion says something similar when they call the true God "Ọba Àjọkẹ́ Ayé, Ọba àṣàkẹ́ Ọ̀run"

AntiChristian:
No one prayed in Jesus name before Jesus was thirty years. So how were prayer answered if they were alienated from God?

Mankind was alienated from God but He chose a nation (Israel) gave them His rules and promised to always answer their prayers anytime they called upon Him in a righteous way. Exodus 19:5-6
God purposely chose that nation as a means through which the Messiah/ Christ/ Saviour will be born {Isaiah 9:6} so they're not to rely solely on the rules given to them, when the Messiah (Christ) come whoever failed to listen to him will be cast out (even if such a person is still obeying the old rules) Deuteronomy 18:15-19

MaxInDHouse:
He opens his hands to bless all living creatures so whether you're worshiping Him or not God doesn't deprive you of good things {Matthew 5:45} so even when He has no direct business with most people they're thinking it's their Ògún, Ọbàtálá, Ọ̀ṣẹ̀rẹ̀màgbò, Amadioa, Zeus, Hermes or Jupiter that's answering their prayers whereas God is blessing all living things now. But when God's Kingdom comes only disciples of Jesus will be saved.
Even your own religion says something similar when they call the true God "Ọba Àjọkẹ́ Ayé, Ọba àṣàkẹ́ Ọ̀run"


Mankind was alienated from God but He chose a nation (Israel) gave them His rules and promised to always answer their prayers anytime they called upon Him in a righteous way. Exodus 19:5-6
But God purposely chose that nation as a means through which the Messiah/ Christ/ Saviour will be born {Isaiah 9:6} so they're not to rely solely on the rules given to them, when the Messiah (Christ) come whoever failed to listen to him will be cast out (even if such a person is still obeying the old rules) Deuteronomy 18:15-19

Na so your Bible conductor teach you!

AntiChristian:
Na so your Bible conductor teach you!

Please teach me how to refute it if it's not true!

MaxInDHouse:
He mediates between you and your God that's why you need to learn his language and obey the rules set in the book (Qu'ran) brought all the way from Saudi Arabia to you here in Africa!
So the OP has a God who also use a mediator to reach him!

You argue everywhere on NL. Sometimes i think you live on NL.

This is the Op; to refresh you:

haekymbahd:
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God never at any point said he needed a mediator between him and man to grant their requests. Even God heared the voice of Ishmael without any mediator.


Genesis 21
17 And God heard the voice of the youth, and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven and said to her, What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the youth where he is.


Is God still all hearing or deaf all of a sudden and now requires a mediator?

1Tim 2
5 For there [is only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Why is it a sin if Mary act as mediator between man and Jesus but not a sin if Jesus act as mediator between God and man?

[2:186] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَ اِذَا سَاَلَکَ عِبَادِیۡ عَنِّیۡ فَاِنِّیۡ قَرِیۡبٌ ؕ اُجِیۡبُ دَعۡوَۃَ الدَّاعِ اِذَا دَعَانِ ۙ فَلۡیَسۡتَجِیۡبُوۡا لِیۡ وَ لۡیُؤۡمِنُوۡا بِیۡ لَعَلَّہُمۡ یَرۡشُدُوۡنَ ﴿۱۸۶﴾

And, (O Beloved,) when My servants ask you about Me, (tell them ‘I am near. I reply the call of the supplicant whenever he calls Me out. So they should embrace My obedience and have (firm) faith in Me so that they may find the (coveted) road (leading straight to the destination).’

[2:201] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَ مِنۡہُمۡ مَّنۡ یَّقُوۡلُ رَبَّنَاۤ اٰتِنَا فِی الدُّنۡیَا حَسَنَۃً وَّ فِی الۡاٰخِرَۃِ حَسَنَۃً وَّ قِنَا عَذَابَ النَّارِ ﴿۲۰۱﴾

..... ‘O our Lord, grant us excellence in this world, and excellence in the Hereafter (as well), and save us from the torment of Hell.’
[2:286] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"لَا یُکَلِّفُ اللّٰہُ نَفۡسًا اِلَّا وُسۡعَہَا ؕ لَہَا مَا کَسَبَتۡ وَ عَلَیۡہَا مَا اکۡتَسَبَتۡ ؕ رَبَّنَا لَا تُؤَاخِذۡنَاۤ اِنۡ نَّسِیۡنَاۤ اَوۡ اَخۡطَاۡنَا ۚ رَبَّنَا وَ لَا تَحۡمِلۡ عَلَیۡنَاۤ اِصۡرًا کَمَا حَمَلۡتَہٗ عَلَی الَّذِیۡنَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِنَا ۚ رَبَّنَا وَ لَا تُحَمِّلۡنَا مَا لَا طَاقَۃَ لَنَا بِہٖ ۚ وَ اعۡفُ عَنَّا ٝ وَ اغۡفِرۡ لَنَا ٝ وَ ارۡحَمۡنَا ٝ اَنۡتَ مَوۡلٰىنَا فَانۡصُرۡنَا عَلَی الۡقَوۡمِ الۡکٰفِرِیۡنَ ﴿۲۸۶﴾٪

..... ‘O our Lord, do not take us to task if we forget or do some mistake. O our Lord, lay not on us such a (heavy) burden as You laid on those before us. O our Lord, put not on us (also) the burden that we have not the strength to bear, and overlook (our sins), and forgive us and have mercy on us. You alone are our Master and Helper. So grant us victory over the disbelievers.’

[3:8] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"رَبَّنَا لَا تُزِغۡ قُلُوۡبَنَا بَعۡدَ اِذۡ ہَدَیۡتَنَا وَ ہَبۡ لَنَا مِنۡ لَّدُنۡکَ رَحۡمَۃً ۚ اِنَّکَ اَنۡتَ الۡوَہَّابُ ﴿۸﴾

(And they submit ‘O our Lord, let not our hearts deviate after You have honoured us with guidance, and grant us mercy especially from Your presence. Truly, You alone are the Great Bestower.
[3:16] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"اَلَّذِیۡنَ یَقُوۡلُوۡنَ رَبَّنَاۤ اِنَّنَاۤ اٰمَنَّا فَاغۡفِرۡ لَنَا ذُنُوۡبَنَا وَ قِنَا عَذَابَ النَّارِ ﴿ۚ۱۶﴾

(These are the people) who say: ‘O our Lord, we have surely believed, so, forgive us our sins and save us from the torment of Hell.’

[3:38] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"ہُنَالِکَ دَعَا زَکَرِیَّا رَبَّہٗ ۚ قَالَ رَبِّ ہَبۡ لِیۡ مِنۡ لَّدُنۡکَ ذُرِّیَّۃً طَیِّبَۃً ۚ اِنَّکَ سَمِیۡعُ الدُّعَآءِ ﴿۳۸﴾

.....‘O my Lord, bless me, out of Your Grace, with a virtuous and pure offspring. Surely, You alone hear the supplication.’

[3:193] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"رَبَّنَاۤ اِنَّنَا سَمِعۡنَا مُنَادِیًا یُّنَادِیۡ لِلۡاِیۡمَانِ اَنۡ اٰمِنُوۡا بِرَبِّکُمۡ فَاٰمَنَّا ٭ۖ رَبَّنَا فَاغۡفِرۡ لَنَا ذُنُوۡبَنَا وَ کَفِّرۡ عَنَّا سَیِّاٰتِنَا وَ تَوَفَّنَا مَعَ الۡاَبۡرَارِ ﴿۱۹۳﴾ۚ

O our Lord! (We were oblivious of You,) then we heard a Caller, calling towards faith: ‘(O people,) believe in your Lord.’ So we embraced faith. O our Lord, now forgive our sins and erase our blunders (from the record of our works) and make us die in the company of the pious.

[3:194] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"رَبَّنَا وَ اٰتِنَا مَا وَعَدۡتَّنَا عَلٰی رُسُلِکَ وَ لَا تُخۡزِنَا یَوۡمَ الۡقِیٰمَۃِ ؕ اِنَّکَ لَا تُخۡلِفُ الۡمِیۡعَادَ ﴿۱۹۴﴾

O our Lord! Grant us all that You have promised us through Your Messengers, and do not humiliate us on the Day of Resurrection. Surely, You do not go against Your promise.’

These are some direct supplications to Allah.
No mediator required.

mhmsadyq:
You argue everywhere on NL. Sometimes i think you live on NL.
This is the Op; to refresh you:
These are some direct supplications to Allah.
No mediator required.

According to the topic OP feels it's wrong for God to use a mediator between Him and humans. All these stories are irrelevant so far you're here in Nigeria using a book and language of another man from Saudi Arabia to worship your God.
For the OP to be guiltless of the same accusation he mustn't worship the God explained to him by another man most especially not someone from far away!

MaxInDHouse:
According to the topic OP feels it's wrong for God to use a mediator between Him and humans. All these stories are irrelevant so far you're here in Nigeria using a book and language of another man from Saudi Arabia to worship your God.
For the OP to be guiltless of the same accusation he mustn't worship the God explained to him by another man most especially not someone from far away!

Ok.

mhmsadyq:
Ok.

Thanks for the understanding.
Meanwhile i don't argue blindly but i only shed light on issues raised on Nairaland by people like you and i who wants to know certain things. If you know and you failed to help such ones then your God is not the true God.
We must help where the need arises but if you don't want such help then i will not force myself on you.

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for the understanding.
Meanwhile i don't argue blindly but i only shed light on issues raised on Nairaland by people like you and i who wants to know certain things. If you know and you failed to help such ones then your God is not the true God.
We must help where the need arises but if you don't want such help then i will not force myself on you.

You are arguing blindly Max,

Do Christians pray to Jesus. Yes or No

Do Catholics Pray to Mary Yes or No

Muslims do not pray Muhammad but for him.


Jesus was said to be a mediator what does it mean when Mediator becomes God?

Example

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.

mhmsadyq

haekymbahd:
You are arguing blindly Max,

Do Christians pray to Jesus. Yes or No

Do Catholics Pray to Mary Yes or No

Muslims do not pray Muhammad but for him.


Jesus was said to be a mediator what does it mean when Mediator becomes God?

Example

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.

mhmsadyq

The issue is about your use of the group name "CHRISTIANS"
When you can just pick up a copy of the Bible, read what Jesus taught to know who are following his teaching, instead you want to generalize it as if that's what Jesus taught.
So i come in to correct the view because it's only those obeying the instruction GOD passed through the prophet that you should focus not those claiming muslims and killing their neighbours.
Please apply the same logic to the group name CHRISTIANS!

AntiChristian:
Mentioning Muhammad's name is to follow his traditions and we don't pray to him or through him.

Muhammad is the best of mankind, no doubt no one on earth surpasses him.

And no one uses "ola anobi" in supplication except that he's mistaken. Truly the Prophet possess the "ola" but we are not to use that in supplication.

Have you been to heaven before? How do you know that ONLY Jesus's name is recognized in heaven? Is his father's name not recognized?

"Muham mad is the best of mankind, no doubt no one on earth surpasses him". This is one of the most stupid statements of all time!

Ovacoma:
"Muham mad is the best of mankind, no doubt no one on earth surpasses him". This is one of the most stupid statements of all time!

And that also mean you have a high affinity for stupidity!

haekymbahd:
God never at any point said he needed a mediator between him and man to grant their requests. Even God heared the voice of Ishmael without any mediator.


Genesis 21
17 And God heard the voice of the youth, and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven and said to her, What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the youth where he is.


Is God still all hearing or deaf all of a sudden and now requires a mediator?

1Tim 2
5 For there [is only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Why is it a sin if Mary act as mediator between man and Jesus but not a sin if Jesus act as mediator between God and man?

Another meaningless thread. What has this got to do with you as a Muslim? Help me figure it out.



Help me understand what all these threads have to do with you, a Muslim, and your walk as a Muslim. What bearing does this have on your walk as a Muslim?

elated177:
Another meaningless thread. What has this got to do with you as a Muslim? Help me figure it out.



Help me understand what all these threads have to do with you, a Muslim and your walk as a Muslim. What bearing does this have on your walk as a Muslim?

Well Jesus is also one of our prophets in Islam so it concerns me..

haekymbahd:
Well Jesus is also one of our prophets in Islam so it concerns me..

Mmhmm!

Thing is, you aren't asking. You don't display a sense of one who is seeking knowledge. You mock, abuse, scorn and attack the Scriptures. Those aren't the ways of someone who is seeking knowledge. So, again, what bearing do those threads have on you, a Muslim, and your walk as a Muslim. You didn't answer the question.

Take this thread for instance, what does what you asked above have to do with your walk as a Muslim?

elated177:
Take this thread for instance, what does what you asked above have to do with your walk as a Muslim?

Yes I am a Muslim and I beleive in all prophets including Jesus and Muhammad but I don't believe I need to pray to someone to get to God. If christians basically are saying we have to pray to Jesus to get to God or else no salvation then it means Muslims are doing the wrong thing by asking God directly as Jesus is not our God. Or Catholics praying to Mary to get to God is termed idolatory by other christian group. I believe God is all hearing he doesn't need an intermediary...

If some christians beleive praying to Mary to get to God is idolatory why is praying to Jesus to get to God an exception..

That was why this particular thread was created by me


Most importantly your fellow christians are doing exactly the same thing on Islamic threads.

haekymbahd:
Yes I am a Muslim and I beleive in all prophets including Jesus and Muhammad but I don't believe I need to pray to someone to get to God. If christians basically are saying we have to pray to Jesus to get to God or else no salvation then it means Muslims are doing the wrong thing by asking God directly as Jesus is not our God. Or Catholics praying to Mary to get to God is termed idolatory by other christian group. I believe God is all hearing he doesn't need an intermediary...

If some christians beleive praying to Mary to get to God is idolatory why is praying to Jesus to get to God an exception..

That was why this particular thread was created by me

Firstly, which "God" are you talking about? What is his name?

Secondly, do you use the teachings of Yahushua - whom you referred to as Jesus - in your mosque?

Thirdly, Christians said zilch concerning who someone should pray through. It was the Messiah himself who said in:

John 14: 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” 6 Yahushua answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Haekymbahd, if you disagree with this, it means either of two things

1. You are calling Yahushua the Messiah a liar.
2. You don't believe he actually made the statement above.

Again, haekymbahd, Yahushua the Messiah himself said in:

John 16: 23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. 24 Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.

It is unequivocally stated in the book of Acts that:

Acts 4: 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.

Actually, I have never considered whether Muslims are doing the wrong thing or not in terms of how they pray or who they pray to because I have always believed that they have their own religion. Besides, I don't know what your Quran says. This is because it has no bearing on my Righteous Walk. What I am saying is that the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty, which I use, have everything I need for the Righteous Walk he has prepared for me.

You, see, haekymbahd, Yahushua the Messiah himself has explicitly stated that he is the only way to his Father, his God, his Owner, YHVH Almighty.

What is religion?

In my own understanding, I believe religion is the believe in a supernatural power or supernatural being and what one does in an attempt to reach, please, appease, worship, honour, etcetera, etcetera, such higher power or supernatural being.


When antichristian inquired about my religion, I unambiguously told him that my religion is the total, strict and absolute obedience to the Commandments of my God, my Father in heaven, which his begotten Son, Yahushua the Messiah, embodies.


You see, haekymbahd, Yahushua the Messiah is not someone. He is not a human being. He is God. He is the Word of his Father, his God, his Owner, YHVH Almighty. Before anyone can reach the Father, one must go through his Word. Even Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Samuel, David, the prophets of old and the other Israelites of old all reached YHVH Almighty through his Word, Yahushua the Messiah.

Haekymbahd, can you now see that before anyone can reach the God described in the Scriptures, which they call bible, one must go through his Word. This is the only way described in his Scriptures. It is not up for any sort of debate.

What the Catholics do or do not do is entirely their business, their prerogative, if you like. The Righteous Walk is an individual one and no one is going to enjoy or suffer in eternity on behalf of the other. I know what my Scriptures say and my Master and Saviour, Yahushua the Messiah, will help stick with it. So, what the Catholics do or do not do during their prayers has no single bearing on my Righteous Walk. No cap.

My Scriptures have explicitly admonished me to pray to my Father in heaven, YHVH Almighty, through his Word, his begotten Son, Yahushua the Messiah. I am sticking with it.

So, it is a case of "onye kwuru si na nke oji ka nma, ya jide nke o ji". If you believe your own path is the best, stick with. So long as you aren't forcing it on others or compelling others to join you.

elated177:
Firstly, which "God" are you talking about? What is his name?

Secondly, do you use the teachings of Yahushua - whom you referred to as Jesus - in your mosque?

Thirdly, Christians said zilch concerning who someone should pray through. It was the Messiah himself who said in:

John 14: 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” 6 Yahushua answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Haekymbahd, if you disagree with this, it means either of two things

1. You are calling Yahushua the Messiah a liar.
2. You don't believe he actually made the statement above.

Again, haekymbahd, Yahushua the Messiah himself said in:

John 16: 23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. 24 Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.

It is unequivocally stated in the book of Acts that:

Acts 4: 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.

Actually, I have never considered whether Muslims are doing the wrong thing or not in terms of how they pray or who they pray to because I have always believed that they have their own religion. Besides, I don't know what your Quran says. This is because it has no bearing on my Righteous Walk. What I am saying is that the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty, which I use, have everything I need for the Righteous Walk he has prepared for me.

You, see, haekymbahd, Yahushua the Messiah himself has explicitly stated that he is the only way to his Father, his God, his Owner, YHVH Almighty.

What is religion?

In my own understanding, I believe religion is the believe in a supernatural power or supernatural being and what one does in an attempt to reach, please, appease, worship, honour, etcetera, etcetera, such higher power or supernatural being.


When antichristian inquired about my religion, I unambiguously told him that my religion is the total, strict and absolute obedience to the Commandments of my God, my Father in heaven, which his begotten Son, Yahushua the Messiah, embodies.


You see, haekymbahd, Yahushua the Messiah is not someone. He is not a human being. He is God. He is the Word of his Father, his God, his Owner, YHVH Almighty. Before anyone can reach the Father, one must go through his Word. Even Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Samuel, David, the prophets of old and the other Israelites of old all reached YHVH Almighty through his Word, Yahushua the Messiah.

Haekymbahd, can you now see that before anyone can reach the God described in the Scriptures, which they call bible, one must pass go through his Word. This is the only way described in his Scriptures. It is not up for any sort of debate.

What the Catholics do or do not do is entirely their business, their prerogative, if you like. The Righteous Walk is an individual one and no one is going to enjoy or suffer in eternity on behalf of the other. I know what my Scriptures say and my Master and Saviour, Yahushua the Messiah, will help stick with it. So, what the Catholics do or do not do during their prayers has no single bearing on my Righteous Walk. No cap.

My Scriptures have explicitly admonished me to pray to my Father in heaven, YHVH Almighty, through his Word, his begotten Son, Yahushua the Messiah. I am sticking with it.

So, it is a case of "onye si na nke oji ka nma, ya jide nke o ji". If you believe your own path is the best, stick with. So long as you aren't forcing it on others or compelling others to join you.

Well I don't have issue with you going to God through teaching and commandments of Yeshua, same way the Jews follow the teachings of Moses but to say the mediator is God I don't agree maybe I will never agree so I'll leave you with your beleive.

Yeshua never called himself God...


1Tim 2
5 For there [is only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

haekymbahd:
Well I don't have issue with you going to God through teaching and commandments of Yeshua, same way the Jews follow the teachings of Moses but to say the mediator is God I don't agree maybe I will never agree so I'll leave you with your beleive.

Yeshua never called himself God...


1Tim 2
5 For there [is only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

You don't really know how to have a proper discourse with someone. Why didn't you answer the questions raised?


Again, which God are you talking about? What is his name? Do you use the teachings of Yahushua the Messiah in your mosque?

This is where you are wrong. You believe it is your right or responsibility to determine how I reach or communicate with my God. Funny, actually. Whether you have issues with it or not is irrelevant.


Even Moses himself reached YHVH Almighty, his God, through his Word.

Yahushua the Messiah is God through and through. Yahushua the Messiah, the Word and begotten Son of YHVH Almighty, is my God. This shouldn't cause you any headache, haekymbahd. Stick with what you have and I will stick with mine.

elated177:
Firstly, which "God" are you talking about? What is his name?

God Almighty, The God if Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael and Jacob.

Allah SWT said:
"And to Allah belong the best names, so invoke Him by them. And leave [the company of] those who practice deviation concerning His names. They will be recompensed for what they have been doing."
(QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 180)


According to Jews no one knows the true pronunciation of its name YHWH anyone claiming to know is name is guess work.

elated177:
Secondly, do you use the teachings of Yahushua - whom you referred to as Jesus - in your mosque?

Yes we do...
Mark 12
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.

Allah SWT said:

"Say, He is Allah, [who is] One,"
(QS. Al-Ikhlaas 112: Verse 1)

Pillars of islam
1. Beleiving that there is only one God worthy of worship and Muhammad was just a messenger
2. Prayer
3. Fasting
4. Giving alms to poor
5. Pilgrimage

elated177:
Thirdly, Christians said zilch concerning who someone should pray through. It was the Messiah himself who said in:

John 14: 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” 6 Yahushua answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

I agree way to God by following his teachings and commandments right because he clearly said he wasn't God.

elated177:
Again, haekymbahd, Yahushua the Messiah himself said in:

John 16: 23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. 24 Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.

Who are you asking Father or Jesus. Why didn't Jesus say anything you ask me I will do for you. Before Jesus was raised up whom were they praying to were their prayers not being answered.

Did Jesus tell his followers to ask him anything or the father also it is not a commandment..

elated177:
It is unequivocally stated in the book of Acts that:

Acts 4: 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.

This wasn't Jesus words God is the saviour of Mankind also Jesus begged him to save him from death.

Isaiah 43
11 I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.




I believe these are the questions you asked

Did u read your own book? What did mumu ha mad man say about the three daughters of Allah? What do they do according to your prophet?

haekymbahd:
God Almighty, The God if Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael and Jacob.

You have added to the Scriptures. Where in the Scriptures did you see what you wrote above?

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:
"And to Allah belong the best names, so invoke Him by them. And leave [the company of] those who practice deviation concerning His names. They will be recompensed for what they have been doing."
(QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 180)

I am not a Muslim.
I am not interested in what is written in your Quran. I will not discuss your Quran with you. Never gonna happen. What is written in it has no bearing on my Righteous Walk and will never have any bearing on my Righteous Walk. Stick with your own. I will stick with mine. No pressure. No compulsion. People can worship whatever or whoever they like. At the end of the age, no one is going to enjoy or suffer on behalf of the other.

haekymbahd:
According to Jews no one knows the true pronunciation of its name YHWH anyone claiming to know is name is guess work.

I don't believe you. The Creator will not allow his name to be completely forgotten.

"Hallelu YAH" gives an idea of his name.

haekymbahd:
Yes we do...
Mark 12
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.

Yahushua the Messiah said he is the only way to his Father, my Father. Are you calling him a liar or are you saying he didn't make such assertion?

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:

"Say, He is Allah, [who is] One,"
(QS. Al-Ikhlaas 112: Verse 1)

Pillars of islam
1. Beleiving that there is only one God worthy of worship and Muhammad was just a messenger
2. Prayer
3. Fasting
4. Giving alms to poor
5. Pilgrimage

I agree way to God by following his teachings and commandments right because he clearly said he wasn't God.

Your beliefs and your ways. Not mine. Your beliefs and ways have no bearing on my Righteous Walk. Do mine have any bearing on your own walk. Stick with yours. I will stick with mine.

Haekymbahd, you have your own religion. I have my own religion. My religion is the total, strict and absolute obedience to the Commandments of my Father in heaven, my God, which his begotten Son, his Word, Yahushua the Messiah, my Master and Saviour, embodies.

I believe that obedience to the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, the one and only true God, is the only way to reach him or get his attention or his approval.

I believe in total and absolute submission to the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty --- his Salvation. I believe in absolute obedience to his Ten Commandments and the strict teaching of his Ten Commandments. This is my religion. These I have come to understand from his set-apart Scriptures.

It is only those who have used his Scriptures - which they have no regard for because they do not obey what they say - to establish their empires in the world that will start fighting over people --- over who gets to convert the most people to their empires. Not me, elated177. I just share the Word and leave everything to the Owner of the Word.

After all:

John 6:43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Yahushua answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

YHVH Almighty draws to his Word those he wants and pushes away those he doesn't want. Simple.

haekymbahd:
Who are you asking Father or Jesus. Why didn't Jesus say anything you ask me I will do for you. Before Jesus was raised up whom were they praying to were their prayers not being answered.

Did Jesus tell his followers to ask him anything or the father also it is not a commandment..

John 14: 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

There you have it.

haekymbahd:
This wasn't Jesus words God is the saviour of Mankind also Jesus begged him to save him from death.

Isaiah 43
11 I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.




I believe these are the questions you asked

I didn't really grasp what you were trying to say.

However, know that Yahushua the Messiah is God. The Word of YHVH Almighty is YHVH Almighty himself. He can't be anything else.

Since YHVH ALMIGHTY is the only Saviour, his Word is the only Saviour.

The Word of YHVH Almighty is Salvation. Obedience to the Word of YHVH Almighty is Salvation.

YHVH Almighty is my Saviour. He is my Salvation. The Word of YHVH Almighty is my Salvation.

YAHUSHUA ---> YAH's Salvation.



El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!