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Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 10:29am On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Romans 14:12

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 2 Corinthians 5:10
But I say unto you, That every idle word that, men shall speak, they shall give account thereof, in the day of judgment. Matthew 12:36

Please where is it written that they will all go to heaven to receive judgment? smiley
"Himself" in Romans means in PERSON don't forget.

Where does God reside that EVERYONE WILL APPEAR AND STAND BEFORE HIM(GOD)?

2 Corinthians 5:10 says "at the judgment SEAT OF CHRIST" according to the Bible, where does this SEAT OF CHRIST position?
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:30am On Apr 20, 2022
achorladey:
You see how your struggling to drag me into your speculations and assumptions. The hold of your religious leaders teachings on you is so strong that you will easily disregard what Jesus said to hold on to what men like you say. grin grin grin grin
It's just a harmless question.
There are billions of people on earth today and majority claims they believe in God but they practice different religions just as the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis also claim they believe in God but instead of joining Jesus' group they want to pitch their own tent.
Thus Jesus told one of them that he must become Jesus' follower to enter God's Kingdom! Luke 18:18-23


So my question now is have Jesus now changed that opinion so that people practicing different religion but acknowledged him just as that man did will qualify for everlasting life? smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 10:33am On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
It's just a harmless question.
There are billions of people on earth today and majority claims they believe in God but they practice different religions just as the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis also claim they believe in God but instead of joining Jesus' group they want to pitch their own tent.
Thus Jesus told one of them that he must become Jesus' follower to enter God's Kingdom! Luke 18:18-23


So my question now is have Jesus now changed that opinion so that people practicing different religion but acknowledged him just as that man did will qualify for everlasting life? smiley
The Lord knows those who belongs to him.

What part of this statement you don't understand?


Me I am waiting your where to run and hide here.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 10:35am On Apr 20, 2022
achorladey:
The Lord now JWs knows those who belongs to him.

What part of this statement you don't understand?
I have helped you put it the rightr way cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 10:44am On Apr 20, 2022
Emusan:
I have helped you put it the rightr way cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Na the mentality and of every other Christian religious organization are False Christians while the one he belongs is the only true Christian cause am.

He goes all over nairaland calling others workers of INIQUITIES or LAWLESSNESS. Yet he will reckless go and start SEPARATING WEEDS from WHEATS even when the Jesus he says he follows through the means of his religious leaders told them not to do so.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:48am On Apr 20, 2022
Emusan:
"Himself" in Romans means in PERSON don't forget.
Where does God reside that EVERYONE WILL APPEAR AND STAND BEFORE HIM(GOD)?
2 Corinthians 5:10 says "at the judgment SEAT OF CHRIST" according to the Bible, where does this SEAT OF CHRIST position?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm well let me enlighten you!

Jesus said:

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18

According to Jesus the judgment seat is not in any specific place but symbolic since whoever doesn't believe has already been judged.
So if Jesus could clear a thief here on earth and grant him Paradise, even forgive the sins of people here on earth and specifically say no one is greater than John the baptist there giving John the pass mark greater than all those that lived before John, it simply means they have all received their reward through Jesus who is the symbolic throne of God's judgment! Hebrews 1:8

Remember whoever Jesus grant pardon has already been pardoned and whoever Jesus condemned has already been condemned! Matthew 28:18

So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodies. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17
But as for unrepentant wrongdoers they aren't going nowhere, they will be forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17

Thanks! smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 10:52am On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm well let me enlighten you!

Jesus said:

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18

According to Jesus the judgment seat is not in any specific place but symbolic since whoever doesn't believe has already been judged.
So if Jesus could clear a thief here on earth and grant him Paradise, even forgive the sins of people here on earth and specifically say no one is greater than John the baptist there giving John the pass mark greater than all those that lived before John, it simply means they have all received their reward through Jesus who is the symbolic throne of God's judgment! Hebrews 1:8

Remember whoever Jesus grant pardon has already been pardoned and whoever Jesus condemned has already been condemned! Matthew 28:18

So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodies. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17
But as for unrepentant wrongdoers they aren't going nowhere, they will be forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17

Thanks! smiley
So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodies. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17
Is that what the Thessalonians is saying?

Oga quote it out make we see. grin grin grin
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:55am On Apr 20, 2022
achorladey:
The Lord knows those who belongs to him.
What part of this statement you don't understand?
Me I am waiting your where to run and hide here.
The part i don't understand is where you didn't correlate it with what Jesus said:

My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27

How can people who aren't studying Jesus' words FOLLOW him?
Doesn't that mean religionists in all other GROUPS apart from those adhering strictly to what Jesus taught will PERISH? John 3:16

Do you think people who ignored Jesus' words can be part of his sheep? smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey:
MaxInDHouse:
The part i don't understand is where you didn't correlate it with what Jesus said:

My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27

How can people who aren't studying Jesus' words FOLLOW him?
Doesn't that mean religionists in all other GROUPS apart from those adhering strictly to what Jesus taught will PERISH? John 3:16

Do you think people who ignored Jesus' words can be part of his sheep? smiley
Are you the Lord who knows those who belongs to him?


It is a harmless question. grin grin grin grin grin

The part i don't understand is where you didn't correlate it with what Jesus said:
Who said, he knows those who belongs to him.

MaxInDHouse or the Lord.

Why should I be correlating what is corellated already? grin grin grin

Shooting yourself in the foot. You be the ex military officer here, you should know better.

My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27
Key points......

1. They listen to the Lord's voice

2. The Lord knows them

3. They follow the Lord grin grin cheesy cheesy
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:02am On Apr 20, 2022
achorladey:
Is that what the Thessalonians is saying?

Oga quote it out make we see. grin grin grin
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Compare to

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told, you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. John 14:2-4 smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:05am On Apr 20, 2022
achorladey:
Are you the Lord who knows those who belongs to him?
It is a harmless question. grin grin grin grin grin
Who said, he knows those who belongs to him.
MaxInDHouse or the Lord.
Why should I be correlating what is corellated already? grin grin grin
Shooting yourself in the foot
My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27
Key points
1. They listen to the Lord's voice
2. The Lord knows them
3. They follow the Lord grin grin cheesy cheesy
Hen nah, we are saying the same thing.

How do you think people who don't study what Jesus commanded his disciples for them to gain everlasting life could be Jesus' sheep? smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 11:05am On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Compare to

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told, you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. John 14:2-4 smiley
Pick out the below from the scriptures quoted above


So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodies.

Word for word grin grin grin grin
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 11:07am On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Hen nah, we are saying the same thing.

How do you think people who don't study what Jesus commanded his disciples for them to gain everlasting life could be Jesus' sheep? smiley
Really MaxInDHouse? We are saying the same thing grin grin grin grin


I see someone backtracking

Are you the Lord who knows those who belongs to him?
Learn.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 11:11am On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm well let me enlighten you!
And you called this enlightened cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy

Jesus said:

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18
Lol.... anyways, Jesus is right here because those who didn't believe are condemned already but does that means they won't face the judgment to account for their deeds which they did WHILE IN THE BODY? Definitely, scripture is accurate on that.

Also, that Nigeria constitution condemned all criminals doesn't mean they won't be charged to court to face judgment.

According to Jesus the judgment seat is not in any specific place but symbolic since whoever doesn't believe has already been judged.
I'm glad you're the one who INTENTIONALLY added SYMBOLIC not Jesus or Paul in those verses.

So if Jesus could clear a thief here on earth and grant him Paradise, even forgive the sins of people here on earth and specifically say no one is greater than John the baptist there giving John the pass mark greater than all those that lived before John, it simply means they have all received their reward through Jesus who is the symbolic throne of God's judgment! Hebrews 1:8
I like the way you always dodge scripture just to suit yourself cheesy cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Remember whoever Jesus grant pardon has already been pardoned and whoever Jesus condemned has already been condemned! Matthew 28:18
That doesn't mean INDIVIDUAL won't stand before the judgment SEAT OF CHRIST according to what they DID WHILE IN THE BODY. 2 Corinthians 5:10

So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodies. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17
But as for unrepentant wrongdoers they aren't going nowhere, they will be forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17
You forgot to add that only them those scriptures are also talking about cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Thanks! smiley
You're welcome!
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:21am On Apr 20, 2022
achorladey:
Pick out the below from the scriptures quoted above
So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodies.
Word for word grin grin grin grin
Oh that's what you're expecting!
Please pardon my manners.
Well Jesus told them that many are invited but few were CHOSEN {Matthew 22:14} because only those given the garment (spiritual bodies) can go to heaven with Christ! Matthew 22:11-12
So only the BORN AGAIN will possess the spiritual bodies to go and live with Jesus in heaven! John 3:5-6 smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:25am On Apr 20, 2022
achorladey:
Really MaxInDHouse? We are saying the same thing grin grin grin grin
I see someone backtracking
Learn.
Well i know you are empty but i just want to expose you that's why i purposely engaged you in this.
Do you now see the reason why you can't preach anything on this forum ever since you're here?
It's because you can't distinguish between those practicing what Jesus taught and those ignoring it.
We know what Jesus taught and so we only associate with people who are willing to obey Jesus' command! Hebrews 10:24-25

Thanks for your time! wink
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 11:28am On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Oh that's what you're expecting!
Please pardon my manners.
Well Jesus told them that many are invited but few were CHOSEN {Matthew 22:14} because only those given the garment (spiritual bodies) can go to heaven with Christ! Matthew 22:11-12
So only the BORN AGAIN will possess the spiritual bodies to go and live with Jesus in heaven! John 3:5-6 smiley
Oh that's what you're expecting!
This is what I am expecting

So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodies
Word for word. You will learn to stop speculations and assumptions based on the teachings of your religious leaders. grin grin grin grin grin
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:34am On Apr 20, 2022
Emusan:
Also, that Nigeria constitution condemned all criminals doesn't mean they won't be charged to court to face judgment.
Funny enough Sir, no constitution condemns an accused until he/she has been judged.
So you've misconstrued it all! cheesy

A suspect will first be arrested, then charged to court where he will be given a fair trial, it's after he has been found guilty that he will be judged as a condemned criminal. But until then he's just an accused not condemned! smiley

But in Jesus' own type of judgment the accused only need to report himself by first acknowledging that he's a wrongdoer, then turn around (repent) of his wrongdoings after listening to what Jesus has to say. Whoever ignore Jesus' words has already been condemned so there's no further case to be established! John 3:16-18

That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you're reading Sir! smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 11:41am On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Well i know you are empty but i just want to expose you that's why i purposely engaged you in this.
Do you now see the reason why you can't preach anything on this forum ever since you're here?
It's because you can't distinguish between those practicing what Jesus taught and those ignoring it.
We know what Jesus taught and so we only associate with people who are willing to obey Jesus' command! Hebrews 10:24-25

Thanks for your time! wink
Time to save face. How will he start

Well I know you are empty but I just want to expose you that's why I purposely engaged you in this.
He started by applying labels and tags. He forget the person he said is EMPTY he agreed were SAYING same things some minutes ago. Who do your intelligence like this? grin grin grin grin

How can you be in agreement with people that are EMPTY grin grin grin

Do you now see the reason why you can't preach anything on this forum ever since you're here?
To save your face you have to ATTACK and DENIGRATE what I do here. My post here are not private chat with you but discussion on a public forum. Learn. You yourself said I readjusted your thinking here some days ago. Why this you can't preach anything? The commission to preach I didn't obtain from you. You didn't give me licence to do so.

It's because you can't distinguish between those practicing what Jesus taught and those ignoring it.
I am not reckless and lawless enough to start SEPARATION of WHEATS from WEEDS. grin grin grin grin. No do pass your jurisdictions. grin grin


We know what Jesus taught and so we only associate with people who are willing to obey Jesus' command! Hebrews 10:24-25
Reality tells me the life you have lived from age 1 till today your association had never been always with only the religious organization you belong and till tomorrow will not always be with only the religious organization you belong. grin grin grin

Learn. The same Jesus said the below....

Matthew 5: However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; 45 that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous. 46 For if YOU love those loving YOU, what reward do YOU have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if YOU greet YOUR brothers only, what extraordinary thing are YOU doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 YOU must accordingly be perfect, as YOUR heavenly Father is perfect.

Thanks for your time!
Be grateful to nairaland too for giving us such platform to learn. grin cheesy
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 12:11pm On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Funny enough Sir, no constitution condemns an accused until he/she has been judged.
So you've misconstrued it all! cheesy
Lol...what does constitution say about someone that steal?

A suspect will first be arrested, then charged to court where he will be given a fair trial, it's after he has been found guilty that he will be judged as a condemned criminal. But until then he's just an accused not condemned! smiley
Did Nigeria constitution condemn terrorists?

But in Jesus' own type of judgment the accused only need to report himself by first acknowledging that he's a wrongdoer, then turn around (repent) of his wrongdoings after listening to what Jesus has to say.
Yet Jesus is lying in Matt 12:36
And Paul was also lying in Roman 14:12, 2 Corinthians 5:10 cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

No wonder you quickly tag it SYMBOLIC cheesy grin cheesy grin


Whoever ignore Jesus' words has already been condemned so there's no further case to be established! John 3:16-18
Yet Jesus Himself says people will be judged, He also repeated it through Paul that EVERYONE WILL STAND BEFORE HIM, and finally confirmed it through John in Revelation when John saw "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done."

You'll continue to change all those scripture by yourself just because you hate the truth.

That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you're reading Sir! smiley
Meaninghuh
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Ministerceo2518(m): 12:21pm On Apr 20, 2022
This video explain all the question asked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP3ULdkQHoM
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by RealTalker02:
Emusan:
In other words the breath of Life of the wicked also goes to heaven cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

The spirit can't be breath of life because breath of Life isn't conscious to give account oof individual.

"Yes, each of us will give a personal account to God" Rom 14:12

But your dumb theology above is glaring grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy


Anyways, everyone goes to heaven at death but God sent them to their final destination.


If not scripture won't record that ALL MUST GIVE ACCOUNT TO GOD. Romans 14:12

If people didn't go to heaven, how will that possible?
And who said you have to go to heaven to give account ? Your lifestyle on Earth is all God needs.

“For He sets no appointed time for a man, That he should appear before Him in judgment. " - Job 34 : 23 Amplified Bible.


You make another stupid claim at highlighted, firstly, I need the verse that said this plus send them to their final destination ? What are this destinations ?


And secondly , you are indirectly saying everybody good or bad, has what is called spiritual body since they are spirit personalities appearing before God ? Your theology is getting more dumb when you digress and said spirit is not breath of life
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by RealTalker02: 1:03pm On Apr 20, 2022
Emusan:
Lol...what does constitution say about someone that steal?



Did Nigeria constitution condemn terrorists?



Yet Jesus is lying in Matt 12:36
And Paul was also lying in Roman 14:12, 2 Corinthians 5:10 cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

No wonder you quickly tag it SYMBOLIC cheesy grin cheesy grin




Yet Jesus Himself says people will be judged, He also repeated it through Paul that EVERYONE WILL STAND BEFORE HIM, and finally confirmed it through John in Revelation when John saw "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done."

You'll continue to change all those scripture by yourself just because you hate the truth.



Meaninghuh
Stand before God in which kind of body , physical is out of it. You are left with spiritual body, this is enough to make you rethink.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by RealTalker02: 1:08pm On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
"Going to heaven to stand before God"

Can you quote a single verse in any version of your choice where that is explicitly stated? grin
Good one.
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:56pm On Apr 20, 2022
Emusan:
Lol...what does constitution say about someone that steal?
Did Nigeria constitution condemn terrorists?
This is why it's rare to see JWs having issues with the investigative department of police, because we know the laws even better than the law enforcement agents! smiley
Guy, the constitution has been written but nobody condemns an accused until he is found GUILTY of the charge! wink
Emusan:
Yet Jesus is lying in Matt 12:36
And Paul was also lying in Roman 14:12, 2 Corinthians 5:10 cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
No wonder you quickly tag it SYMBOLIC cheesy grin cheesy grin
You quote the texts but you can't expatiate to drive home your point, that's why you're trying hard to explain but tying yourself more Into the cobweb! cheesy
Emusan:
Yet Jesus Himself says people will be judged, He also repeated it through Paul that EVERYONE WILL STAND BEFORE HIM, and finally confirmed it through John in Revelation when John saw "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done."
You'll continue to change all those scripture by yourself just because you hate the truth.
Meaninghuh
Does "standing before him" means people will literally line up like in the law Court?
Well all these are symbolic terms that's why you can't correlate what you read in a place with another, so you have to ignore what you don't understand and hing on to what you can relate with! cheesy

I've told you that STANDING BEFORE JESUS' THRONE simply means opportunity to listen to the message of the Good News his disciples are taking up and down. Once you've met them and discovered the purpose of their visit the next thing is to meditate on what they said about God's Kingdom, check yourself if there's anyway you're wanting so that you can make amendments. For your information that's why those who have done this could confidently say "we were saved" {Romans 8:24} though they never stood before any judgment throne! wink
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 2:19pm On Apr 20, 2022
RealTalker02:
And who said you have to go to heaven to give account ? Your lifestyle on Earth is all God needs.

“For He sets no appointed time for a man, That he should appear before Him in judgment. " - Job 34 : 23 Amplified Bible.
Funny enough you quoted that Job yet you couldn't see the obvious point there.

The Bible says you'll stand before God to give account as even confirmed by that job you quoted.

You make another stupid claim at highlighted, firstly, I need the verse that said this plus send them to their final destination ? What are this destinations?
You already provided the verse at Ecclesiastes that ALL SPIRIT MUST RETURN TO GOD.

I only told you the reason why the spirit there can't be breath of Life as you earlier claimed.


And secondly , you are indirectly saying everybody good or bad, has what is called spiritual body since they are spirit personalities appearing before God?
I didn't say it rather Bible said so.

"For we must all appear* before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.* 2 Corin 5:10 NWT

If we will all stand before judgment SEAT OF CHRIST and give account of everything will did WHILE IN THE BODY it means it must be over spirit being that'll do that.

Your theology is getting more dumb when you digress and said spirit is not breath of life
Just because it didn't dance to your tune cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:25pm On Apr 20, 2022
RealTalker02:
Good one.
I've been following your discussion with Emusan but there's just one thing i want you to get straight.

There is nothing like literally standing before any judgment throne!

Anyone who ignores Jesus' disciples when they come visiting has been judged already, that's what Jesus meant when he said:

"Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city! Matthew 10:14:15

WHY?

Because it's the way and manner we respond to the message of the Good News of God's Kingdom that determines whether our names will be written in the book of life or not! Malachi 3:16 compare to Revelations 20:15

So all literal judgment has been carried out here on earth, only holy ones Born Again/Saints that are going to heaven! smiley
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 2:30pm On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
This is why it's rare to see JWs having issues with the investigative department of police, because we know the laws even better than the law enforcement agents! smiley
Guy, the constitution has been written but nobody condemns an accused until he is found GUILTY of the charge! wink
No wonder you couldn't answer the question. cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

You quote the texts but you can't expatiate to drive home your point, that's why you're trying hard to explain but tying yourself more Into the cobweb! cheesy
Afterall I'm not the one who sees the obvious point but decided to tag it SYMBOLIC cheesy cheesy grin grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

Does "standing before him" means people will literally line up like in the law Court?
Whatever standing before him mean to you but the scripture is clear about that.

You can also ask you child at home what does standing before him mean? cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Well all these are symbolic terms that's why you can't correlate what you read in a place with another,
It's symbolic to you because it exposed your fraudulent doctrine. Just remove that word SYMBOLIC which never found in those verses and see the naked truth in front of you.

so you have to ignore what you don't understand and hing on to what you can relate with! cheesy
We know the person who doesn't understand here cheesy grin grin cheesy grin

I've told you that STANDING BEFORE JESUS' THRONE simply means opportunity to listen to the message of the Good News his disciples are taking up and down.
This is laughable cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Yet your brother Dappad abi Dapada once created a thread here claiming people standing before the judgment throne are on earth not that the need to be in heaven cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Anyways, I know you must twist those verses to suit yourself.

Once you've met them and discovered the purpose of their visit the next thing is to meditate on what they said about God's Kingdom,
I meet them always and I know they always twist scriptures to suit their demonic doctrines cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin

check yourself if there's anyway you're wanting so that you can make amendments.
I'm always doing that
Do you?

For your information that's why those who have done this could confidently say "we were saved" {Romans 8:24} though they never stood before any judgment throne! wink
I know what next? cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m):
RealTalker02:
Stand before God in which kind of body , physical is out of it. You are left with spiritual body, this is enough to make you rethink.
This scripture is enough for you

For we must all appear* before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.*+ 2 Corinthians 5:10 NWT
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:59pm On Apr 20, 2022
Emusan:
No wonder you couldn't answer the question. cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
Afterall I'm not the one who sees the obvious point but decided to tag it SYMBOLIC cheesy cheesy grin grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
Whatever standing before him mean to you but the scripture is clear about that.
You can also ask you child at home what does standing before him mean? cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
It's symbolic to you because it exposed your fraudulent doctrine. Just remove that word SYMBOLIC which never found in those verses and see the naked truth in front of you.
We know the person who doesn't understand here cheesy grin grin cheesy grin
This is laughable cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Yet your brother Dappad abi Dapada once created a thread here claiming people standing before the judgment throne are on earth not that the need to be in heaven cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Anyways, I know you must twist those verses to suit yourself.
I meet them always and I know they always twist scriptures to suit their demonic doctrines cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin
I'm always doing that
Do you?
I know what next? cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin
I know you are battle prepared to continue arguing even though what you're saying makes no practical sense to you but since it's what your Pastors taught you you're ever ready to argue in support of it! smiley

DappaD is right because God's word confirmed that judgment takes place in this planet when the preachers of the Good News comes to you and you make yourself available for the study of God's word.
The symbolic STANDING BEFORE THRONE is when you have to sacrifice your time to find out what God requires of mankind. Your patience to humbly give away your precious time when others look at you and think you're wasting your time on what is not necessary is the reason why those angels penning down people's names will WRITE YOUR NAME! Malachi 3:16

So it's like you're standing before an invisible judge when others who had no regards for the Bible will be mocking you, because they can't decipher why you have to sit down like a child humbly listening to what a book says.

That's what it means to stand before the throne my friend, not that you will be taken to a place where you will see the two thieves that died beside Jesus and the people in Noah's day or inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah! grin
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 3:08pm On Apr 20, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
I know you are battle prepared to continue arguing even though what you're saying makes no practical sense to you but since it's what your Pastors taught you you're ever ready to argue in support of it! smiley
I'm always battle ready against the kingdom of your father the Devil cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy

DappaD is right because God's word confirmed that judgment takes place in this planet when the preachers of the Good News comes to you and you make yourself available for the study of God's word.
After I've exposed your lies about it. grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

The symbolic STANDING BEFORE THRONE is when you have to sacrifice your time to find out what God requires of mankind.
Another meaning from Mr Practical Application grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

How many symbolic meaning will you give todayhuh cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

Your patience to humbly give away your precious time when others look at you and think you're wasting your time on what is not necessary is the reason why those angels penning down people's names will WRITE YOUR NAME! Malachi 3:16
At least your name is in heaven and not symbolic cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

So it's like you're standing before an invisible judge when others who had no regards for the Bible will be mocking you, because they can't decipher why you have to sit down like a child humbly listening to what a book says.
The most ridiculous about this is that, those verses are talking about INDIVIDUAL giving account and getting their rewards not those who are Jesus followers but you couldn't see that. cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

That's what it means to stand before the throne my friend, not that you will be taken to a place where you will see the two thieves that died beside Jesus and the people in Noah's day or inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah! grin
You can keep say that to yourself in other to be deceiving yourself.

The scripture is cleared on that EVERYONE WILL STAND BEFORE God to ACCOUNT for their deeds, in fact apostle Paul put it better by saying "For we must all appear* before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.*
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:21pm On Apr 20, 2022
Emusan:
I'm always battle ready against the kingdom of your father the Devil cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy
After I've exposed your lies about it. grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
Another meaning from Mr Practical Application grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
How many symbolic meaning will you give todayhuh cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
At least your name is in heaven and not symbolic cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
The most ridiculous about this is that, those verses are talking about INDIVIDUAL giving account and getting their rewards not those who are Jesus followers but you couldn't see that. cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
You can keep say that to yourself in other to be deceiving yourself.
The scripture is cleared on that EVERYONE WILL STAND BEFORE God to ACCOUNT for their deeds, in fact apostle Paul put it better by saying "For we must all appear* before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.*
No wahala jàre everybody is going to heaven, their bodies will be in their graves but their spirit will represent them before God's throne (in heaven) so that they will be judged.
Thanks for your time! cheesy
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