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| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 10:29am On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:"Himself" in Romans means in PERSON don't forget. Where does God reside that EVERYONE WILL APPEAR AND STAND BEFORE HIM(GOD)? 2 Corinthians 5:10 says "at the judgment SEAT OF CHRIST" according to the Bible, where does this SEAT OF CHRIST position? |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:30am On Apr 20, 2022 |
achorladey:It's just a harmless question. There are billions of people on earth today and majority claims they believe in God but they practice different religions just as the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis also claim they believe in God but instead of joining Jesus' group they want to pitch their own tent. Thus Jesus told one of them that he must become Jesus' follower to enter God's Kingdom! Luke 18:18-23 So my question now is have Jesus now changed that opinion so that people practicing different religion but acknowledged him just as that man did will qualify for everlasting life? ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 10:33am On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:The Lord knows those who belongs to him. What part of this statement you don't understand? Me I am waiting your where to run and hide here. |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 10:35am On Apr 20, 2022 |
achorladey:I have helped you put it the rightr way ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 10:44am On Apr 20, 2022 |
Emusan:Na the mentality and of every other Christian religious organization are False Christians while the one he belongs is the only true Christian cause am. He goes all over nairaland calling others workers of INIQUITIES or LAWLESSNESS. Yet he will reckless go and start SEPARATING WEEDS from WHEATS even when the Jesus he says he follows through the means of his religious leaders told them not to do so. |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:48am On Apr 20, 2022 |
Emusan:Hmmmmmmmmmmmm well let me enlighten you! Jesus said: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18 According to Jesus the judgment seat is not in any specific place but symbolic since whoever doesn't believe has already been judged. So if Jesus could clear a thief here on earth and grant him Paradise, even forgive the sins of people here on earth and specifically say no one is greater than John the baptist there giving John the pass mark greater than all those that lived before John, it simply means they have all received their reward through Jesus who is the symbolic throne of God's judgment! Hebrews 1:8 Remember whoever Jesus grant pardon has already been pardoned and whoever Jesus condemned has already been condemned! Matthew 28:18 So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodies. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 But as for unrepentant wrongdoers they aren't going nowhere, they will be forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17 Thanks! ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 10:52am On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodies. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17Is that what the Thessalonians is saying? Oga quote it out make we see. ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:55am On Apr 20, 2022 |
achorladey:The part i don't understand is where you didn't correlate it with what Jesus said: My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27 How can people who aren't studying Jesus' words FOLLOW him? Doesn't that mean religionists in all other GROUPS apart from those adhering strictly to what Jesus taught will PERISH? John 3:16 Do you think people who ignored Jesus' words can be part of his sheep? ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 10:57am On Apr 20, 2022*. Modified: 11:15am On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Are you the Lord who knows those who belongs to him? It is a harmless question. ![]() The part i don't understand is where you didn't correlate it with what Jesus said:Who said, he knows those who belongs to him. MaxInDHouse or the Lord. Why should I be correlating what is corellated already? ![]() Shooting yourself in the foot. You be the ex military officer here, you should know better. My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27Key points...... 1. They listen to the Lord's voice 2. The Lord knows them 3. They follow the Lord ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:02am On Apr 20, 2022 |
achorladey:For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Compare to In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told, you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. John 14:2-4 ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:05am On Apr 20, 2022 |
achorladey:Hen nah, we are saying the same thing. How do you think people who don't study what Jesus commanded his disciples for them to gain everlasting life could be Jesus' sheep? ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 11:05am On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Pick out the below from the scriptures quoted above So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodies. Word for word ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 11:07am On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Really MaxInDHouse? We are saying the same thing ![]() I see someone backtracking Are you the Lord who knows those who belongs to him?Learn. |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 11:11am On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:And you called this enlightened ![]() Jesus said:Lol.... anyways, Jesus is right here because those who didn't believe are condemned already but does that means they won't face the judgment to account for their deeds which they did WHILE IN THE BODY? Definitely, scripture is accurate on that. Also, that Nigeria constitution condemned all criminals doesn't mean they won't be charged to court to face judgment. According to Jesus the judgment seat is not in any specific place but symbolic since whoever doesn't believe has already been judged.I'm glad you're the one who INTENTIONALLY added SYMBOLIC not Jesus or Paul in those verses. So if Jesus could clear a thief here on earth and grant him Paradise, even forgive the sins of people here on earth and specifically say no one is greater than John the baptist there giving John the pass mark greater than all those that lived before John, it simply means they have all received their reward through Jesus who is the symbolic throne of God's judgment! Hebrews 1:8I like the way you always dodge scripture just to suit yourself ![]() Remember whoever Jesus grant pardon has already been pardoned and whoever Jesus condemned has already been condemned! Matthew 28:18That doesn't mean INDIVIDUAL won't stand before the judgment SEAT OF CHRIST according to what they DID WHILE IN THE BODY. 2 Corinthians 5:10 So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodies. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17You forgot to add that only them those scriptures are also talking about ![]() Thanks!You're welcome! |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:21am On Apr 20, 2022 |
achorladey:Oh that's what you're expecting! Please pardon my manners. Well Jesus told them that many are invited but few were CHOSEN {Matthew 22:14} because only those given the garment (spiritual bodies) can go to heaven with Christ! Matthew 22:11-12 So only the BORN AGAIN will possess the spiritual bodies to go and live with Jesus in heaven! John 3:5-6 ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:25am On Apr 20, 2022 |
achorladey:Well i know you are empty but i just want to expose you that's why i purposely engaged you in this. Do you now see the reason why you can't preach anything on this forum ever since you're here? It's because you can't distinguish between those practicing what Jesus taught and those ignoring it. We know what Jesus taught and so we only associate with people who are willing to obey Jesus' command! Hebrews 10:24-25 Thanks for your time! ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 11:28am On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Oh that's what you're expecting!This is what I am expecting So only the anointed brothers of Christ who have become Born Again are going to heaven because they will be transformed and given spiritual bodiesWord for word. You will learn to stop speculations and assumptions based on the teachings of your religious leaders. ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:34am On Apr 20, 2022 |
Emusan:Funny enough Sir, no constitution condemns an accused until he/she has been judged. So you've misconstrued it all! ![]() A suspect will first be arrested, then charged to court where he will be given a fair trial, it's after he has been found guilty that he will be judged as a condemned criminal. But until then he's just an accused not condemned! ![]() But in Jesus' own type of judgment the accused only need to report himself by first acknowledging that he's a wrongdoer, then turn around (repent) of his wrongdoings after listening to what Jesus has to say. Whoever ignore Jesus' words has already been condemned so there's no further case to be established! John 3:16-18 That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you're reading Sir! ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by achorladey: 11:41am On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Time to save face. How will he start Well I know you are empty but I just want to expose you that's why I purposely engaged you in this.He started by applying labels and tags. He forget the person he said is EMPTY he agreed were SAYING same things some minutes ago. Who do your intelligence like this? ![]() How can you be in agreement with people that are EMPTY ![]() Do you now see the reason why you can't preach anything on this forum ever since you're here?To save your face you have to ATTACK and DENIGRATE what I do here. My post here are not private chat with you but discussion on a public forum. Learn. You yourself said I readjusted your thinking here some days ago. Why this you can't preach anything? The commission to preach I didn't obtain from you. You didn't give me licence to do so. It's because you can't distinguish between those practicing what Jesus taught and those ignoring it.I am not reckless and lawless enough to start SEPARATION of WHEATS from WEEDS. . No do pass your jurisdictions. ![]() We know what Jesus taught and so we only associate with people who are willing to obey Jesus' command! Hebrews 10:24-25Reality tells me the life you have lived from age 1 till today your association had never been always with only the religious organization you belong and till tomorrow will not always be with only the religious organization you belong. ![]() Learn. The same Jesus said the below.... Matthew 5: However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; 45 that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous. 46 For if YOU love those loving YOU, what reward do YOU have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if YOU greet YOUR brothers only, what extraordinary thing are YOU doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 YOU must accordingly be perfect, as YOUR heavenly Father is perfect. Thanks for your time!Be grateful to nairaland too for giving us such platform to learn. ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 12:11pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Lol...what does constitution say about someone that steal? A suspect will first be arrested, then charged to court where he will be given a fair trial, it's after he has been found guilty that he will be judged as a condemned criminal. But until then he's just an accused not condemned!Did Nigeria constitution condemn terrorists? But in Jesus' own type of judgment the accused only need to report himself by first acknowledging that he's a wrongdoer, then turn around (repent) of his wrongdoings after listening to what Jesus has to say.Yet Jesus is lying in Matt 12:36 And Paul was also lying in Roman 14:12, 2 Corinthians 5:10 ![]() No wonder you quickly tag it SYMBOLIC ![]() Whoever ignore Jesus' words has already been condemned so there's no further case to be established! John 3:16-18Yet Jesus Himself says people will be judged, He also repeated it through Paul that EVERYONE WILL STAND BEFORE HIM, and finally confirmed it through John in Revelation when John saw "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done." You'll continue to change all those scripture by yourself just because you hate the truth. That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you're reading Sir!Meaning ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Ministerceo2518(m): 12:21pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by RealTalker02: 12:58pm On Apr 20, 2022*. Modified: 1:18pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
Emusan:And who said you have to go to heaven to give account ? Your lifestyle on Earth is all God needs. “For He sets no appointed time for a man, That he should appear before Him in judgment. " - Job 34 : 23 Amplified Bible. You make another stupid claim at highlighted, firstly, I need the verse that said this plus send them to their final destination ? What are this destinations ? And secondly , you are indirectly saying everybody good or bad, has what is called spiritual body since they are spirit personalities appearing before God ? Your theology is getting more dumb when you digress and said spirit is not breath of life |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by RealTalker02: 1:03pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
Emusan:Stand before God in which kind of body , physical is out of it. You are left with spiritual body, this is enough to make you rethink. |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by RealTalker02: 1:08pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Good one. |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:56pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
Emusan:This is why it's rare to see JWs having issues with the investigative department of police, because we know the laws even better than the law enforcement agents! ![]() Guy, the constitution has been written but nobody condemns an accused until he is found GUILTY of the charge! ![]() Emusan:You quote the texts but you can't expatiate to drive home your point, that's why you're trying hard to explain but tying yourself more Into the cobweb! ![]() Emusan:Does "standing before him" means people will literally line up like in the law Court? Well all these are symbolic terms that's why you can't correlate what you read in a place with another, so you have to ignore what you don't understand and hing on to what you can relate with! ![]() I've told you that STANDING BEFORE JESUS' THRONE simply means opportunity to listen to the message of the Good News his disciples are taking up and down. Once you've met them and discovered the purpose of their visit the next thing is to meditate on what they said about God's Kingdom, check yourself if there's anyway you're wanting so that you can make amendments. For your information that's why those who have done this could confidently say "we were saved" {Romans 8:24} though they never stood before any judgment throne! ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 2:19pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
RealTalker02:Funny enough you quoted that Job yet you couldn't see the obvious point there. The Bible says you'll stand before God to give account as even confirmed by that job you quoted. You make another stupid claim at highlighted, firstly, I need the verse that said this plus send them to their final destination ? What are this destinations?You already provided the verse at Ecclesiastes that ALL SPIRIT MUST RETURN TO GOD. I only told you the reason why the spirit there can't be breath of Life as you earlier claimed. And secondly , you are indirectly saying everybody good or bad, has what is called spiritual body since they are spirit personalities appearing before God?I didn't say it rather Bible said so. "For we must all appear* before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.* 2 Corin 5:10 NWT If we will all stand before judgment SEAT OF CHRIST and give account of everything will did WHILE IN THE BODY it means it must be over spirit being that'll do that. Your theology is getting more dumb when you digress and said spirit is not breath of lifeJust because it didn't dance to your tune ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:25pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
RealTalker02:I've been following your discussion with Emusan but there's just one thing i want you to get straight. There is nothing like literally standing before any judgment throne! Anyone who ignores Jesus' disciples when they come visiting has been judged already, that's what Jesus meant when he said: "Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city! Matthew 10:14:15 WHY? Because it's the way and manner we respond to the message of the Good News of God's Kingdom that determines whether our names will be written in the book of life or not! Malachi 3:16 compare to Revelations 20:15 So all literal judgment has been carried out here on earth, only holy ones Born Again/Saints that are going to heaven! ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 2:30pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:No wonder you couldn't answer the question. ![]() You quote the texts but you can't expatiate to drive home your point, that's why you're trying hard to explain but tying yourself more Into the cobweb!Afterall I'm not the one who sees the obvious point but decided to tag it SYMBOLIC ![]() Does "standing before him" means people will literally line up like in the law Court?Whatever standing before him mean to you but the scripture is clear about that. You can also ask you child at home what does standing before him mean? ![]() Well all these are symbolic terms that's why you can't correlate what you read in a place with another,It's symbolic to you because it exposed your fraudulent doctrine. Just remove that word SYMBOLIC which never found in those verses and see the naked truth in front of you. so you have to ignore what you don't understand and hing on to what you can relate with!We know the person who doesn't understand here ![]() I've told you that STANDING BEFORE JESUS' THRONE simply means opportunity to listen to the message of the Good News his disciples are taking up and down.This is laughable ![]() Yet your brother Dappad abi Dapada once created a thread here claiming people standing before the judgment throne are on earth not that the need to be in heaven ![]() Anyways, I know you must twist those verses to suit yourself. Once you've met them and discovered the purpose of their visit the next thing is to meditate on what they said about God's Kingdom,I meet them always and I know they always twist scriptures to suit their demonic doctrines ![]() check yourself if there's anyway you're wanting so that you can make amendments.I'm always doing that Do you? For your information that's why those who have done this could confidently say "we were saved" {Romans 8:24} though they never stood before any judgment throne!I know what next? ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 2:32pm On Apr 20, 2022*. Modified: 3:11pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
RealTalker02:This scripture is enough for you For we must all appear* before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.*+ 2 Corinthians 5:10 NWT |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:59pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
Emusan:I know you are battle prepared to continue arguing even though what you're saying makes no practical sense to you but since it's what your Pastors taught you you're ever ready to argue in support of it! ![]() DappaD is right because God's word confirmed that judgment takes place in this planet when the preachers of the Good News comes to you and you make yourself available for the study of God's word. The symbolic STANDING BEFORE THRONE is when you have to sacrifice your time to find out what God requires of mankind. Your patience to humbly give away your precious time when others look at you and think you're wasting your time on what is not necessary is the reason why those angels penning down people's names will WRITE YOUR NAME! Malachi 3:16 So it's like you're standing before an invisible judge when others who had no regards for the Bible will be mocking you, because they can't decipher why you have to sit down like a child humbly listening to what a book says. That's what it means to stand before the throne my friend, not that you will be taken to a place where you will see the two thieves that died beside Jesus and the people in Noah's day or inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah! ![]() |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by Emusan(m): 3:08pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:I'm always battle ready against the kingdom of your father the Devil ![]() DappaD is right because God's word confirmed that judgment takes place in this planet when the preachers of the Good News comes to you and you make yourself available for the study of God's word.After I've exposed your lies about it. ![]() The symbolic STANDING BEFORE THRONE is when you have to sacrifice your time to find out what God requires of mankind.Another meaning from Mr Practical Application ![]() How many symbolic meaning will you give today ![]() Your patience to humbly give away your precious time when others look at you and think you're wasting your time on what is not necessary is the reason why those angels penning down people's names will WRITE YOUR NAME! Malachi 3:16At least your name is in heaven and not symbolic ![]() So it's like you're standing before an invisible judge when others who had no regards for the Bible will be mocking you, because they can't decipher why you have to sit down like a child humbly listening to what a book says.The most ridiculous about this is that, those verses are talking about INDIVIDUAL giving account and getting their rewards not those who are Jesus followers but you couldn't see that. ![]() That's what it means to stand before the throne my friend, not that you will be taken to a place where you will see the two thieves that died beside Jesus and the people in Noah's day or inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah!You can keep say that to yourself in other to be deceiving yourself. The scripture is cleared on that EVERYONE WILL STAND BEFORE God to ACCOUNT for their deeds, in fact apostle Paul put it better by saying "For we must all appear* before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.* |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "Today You Will Be With Me In Paradise"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:21pm On Apr 20, 2022 |
Emusan:No wahala jàre everybody is going to heaven, their bodies will be in their graves but their spirit will represent them before God's throne (in heaven) so that they will be judged. Thanks for your time! ![]() |
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