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AntiChristian:
In the Biblical Story of Lot (Gen 19), his people were homosexuals and the LORD destroyed them. However Lot and his two daughters were saved from the destruction.

After that the daughters drugged their father with wine and slept with him in turns by night. They both got pregnant gave birth and God made them fruitful. So the Moabites and Ammonites have an incestous origin!

1. So why were the Sodomites destroyed but the Incestous preserved?

2. Does God know they (father and ladies) would move away from sodomy to incest?

3. If God could protect them from Sodomy why not incest or is incest preferable?

xproducer:
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Were you there? Do you know their hearts or mindset after experiencing so harrowing and dreadful a destruction of those around them - including their mother and husbands? Do you remember that they are human as we are and that for the grace, mercy and power of GOD we are lost? Do you not know that it wasn't until centuries afterward that GOD mercifully gave His laws to mankind via the nation of Israel, Abraham's descendants where it was made clear what was sin and what was not?

Do you not know that GOD is perfectly "righteous is all His ways and Holy in all His works"?! - Psalm 145:17

"A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." - Matthew 12:35-37

Premiumwriter:
I saw an elephant reading their forest constitution yesterday

kkins25:
While I am enjoying the back and forth between you two if you don't mind, do you have any gigs-content writing gigs?

I think the concept you're trying to pass to maynman is that the paper- a physical rep. of currency, has no true value. The "paper" is actually a sort of ledger between two traders. The paper itself has no value except the value given to it by humanity's sense of value.
The paper is a ledger of goods and services traded in society and can be synonymous with a "cheque". The cheque itself has no value unless in the hands of someone who has "faith" that the amount written on the check is stored in the bank.

Gold, oil, and other resources are every nation's true "currency" but since it is risky to carry gold and other resources around, the 'Big Boys" invented the"ledger", which later became paper money. The banking system, I believe, was invented by the Knights Templars.

Maynman, your paper note is actually useless where people have no faith in it, but if you should hold a bar of gold- Every body has faith in that.


Oya Mr premium make we enter Mail.

Maynman:
Yea, who said paper notes are not useless?
He said money(currency) is by faith. Did you read it at all?

kkins25:
Well, the currency is money and money is paper. Instead of trading actual goods like in trade by barter.

Currency or paper is all on faith. If no one values your currency then it is worthless just like the paper it is printed on.

kkins25:
While I am enjoying the back and forth between you two if you don't mind, do you have any gigs-content writing gigs?

I think the concept you're trying to pass to maynman is that the paper- a physical rep. of currency, has no true value. The "paper" is actually a sort of ledger between two traders. The paper itself has no value except the value given to it by humanity's sense of value.
The paper is a ledger of goods and services traded in society and can be synonymous with a "cheque". The cheque itself has no value unless in the hands of someone who has "faith" that the amount written on the check is stored in the bank.

Gold, oil, and other resources are every nation's true "currency" but since it is risky to carry gold and other resources around, the 'Big Boys" invented the"ledger", which later became paper money. The banking system, I believe, was invented by the Knights Templars.

Maynman, your paper note is actually useless where people have no faith in it, but if you should hold a bar of gold- Every body has faith in that.


Oya Mr premium make we enter Mail.

Maynman:
And the concept of banking started from the Mesopotamia.

kkins25:


It's good that you did cross-check. But I think that's too vague ehn. I'm not disputing the fact that the "concept of banking" which is quite different from the "banking system" originated in ancient Mesopotamia. With that said, this ancient system is rather primitive when compared to that of the Holy Knights.

The idea of having a bank like Gtbank, not associated with the government, and positioning branches in different locations whiles providing services like receipts, ledgers, loans, interest, etc. were predominantly established by the[b] Order of the Knights Templar[/b].

Maynman:
Money has been in used before the order of the knights Templar.
What year did they create the “banking system”?

kkins25:
https://faisalkhan.com/2018/04/23/why-the-knights-templar-were-really-good-at-banking/

Maynman:
Did you read it?
Nowhere did they say they created a banking system.

kkins25:
oh, then let's use, our banking system of today was "heavenly " influenced by the Knights Templars. Happy now

Maynman:
I’ll be happier when you know the history of money(currency) which evolve from bartering.

And one of the reasons why knight templars were able to be significant is because they are part of the crusaders. Who “heavenly” persuaded people by love to be Christians.

kkins25:
No one has countered you with regards to barter systems.
What premiumwriter is saying is this,
Whatever is used to represent the value of Money is a psychological construct..

Maynman:
Money evolve from barter system.
Is barter system by faith?

kkins25:
yes.

Maynman:
How is it by faith?

kkins25:
i have tomatoes, you have pepper? how do we determine who's goods is more expensive?

Maynman:
Barter system means giving out what you have for what you need. And faith means believing something with no evidence. How does it relate?

Out of all natural resources, how did they determine that gold and diamond are expensive and not copper?

How did you determine that your child is worth more than a goat?

kkins25:
Oh Mr may, you are making extend this talk too much.

But let me give it one last try,

If i give you two cows, and i want tubbers of yam, how many would you provide me? You would put more value your cows more than my tubbers of yam.

There is no standard measurement to determine which is more expensive(Supposing we leave out demand and supply).

now if you bring D&S into the picture:

If society perceives the cow to be much more valuable than yam then you could exchange your cows for more tubbers of yam.

However, lets say we are in a society where they don't value meat. My yam would now be more expensive than the cow.
Because people have more "faith" in yam than cows.

But thats not even a good example as demand and supply could be used as measurement. What about between water and diamonds.

Diamonds is not in demand like water but water is far cheaper. Even though people have no use for diamonds bar Aesthetic value, they are willing to pay huge amounts of resources for it. Thats faith.

Maynman:
You are trying so hard to make sense.
Why would you barter with someone that has 2 tubers of yam to a cow? (Just right now why did you pick a cow? Why didn’t you pick a stone to barter with someone that has 2 tubers.. you yourself already know the worth of 2 tubers and a cow)
Don’t the same person know what a cow and a yam is? Are the society dummies?

Diamond is always in demand, most people can’t afford it because it’s expensive.. people that can afford it are buying it.
Diamonds are used in so many things.
Your analogies are flawed.

kkins25:
My analogies are not flawed sir. it's you who is having a hard time understanding the use of English.

"Diamonds are always in demand", I can bet you there are many societies in every nation that have not seen diamonds with their two naked eyes. fuq it, I haven't seen one, and I'd make a stretch and say you also haven't.

Diamonds have industrial use, sure, SSS chemistry. Non the less, WATER is life and not a diamond. Yet, I need millions to acquire the former and just 40 pesewas to get the latter. The law of demand and supply doesn't work here. SSS economics.
The value of a diamond is solely based on the subjective emotional value we humans have for it, not for its Demand.. get the drift now?

Hence, "DIAMONDS ARE NOT IN DEMAND LIKE WATER"

Concerning the Cow and the Yam, Take your 1-tonne cow to a vegetarian, it would be utterly useless to him. In fact, take your cow to a community that worships cows. Your cow meat becomes worthless like sand. the same can be said for my yams.

Since you're a professional in trade by barter, how many tubers would be equivalent to a cow? lets assume we are in pre-colonial times.

Yes, 'people" have no use for Diamonds except for aesthetics. I didn't say industries don't ...

Maynman:
Lol, is it not people that are working in industries?

kkins25:
How many workers in the diamond industry can afford diamonds? Comrade, you dey motivate me sha!!

i guess that is all.

AntiChristian:
We have the proof Biblically here but do you have a proof from the Qur'an that incest is "outrightly" permitted as quoted above?

advocatejare:
How did Adam and Hauwa populate the world if there was no incest? Who did their children marry if not their siblings?

AntiChristian:
Incest was permitted when people were few on earth just as some forbidden things are permitted in rare cases of necessity!

During Lot's time the necessity was absent.

AntiChristian:
In the Biblical Story of Lot (Gen 19), his people were homosexuals and the LORD destroyed them. However Lot and his two daughters were saved from the destruction.

After that the daughters drugged their father with wine and slept with him in turns by night. They both got pregnant gave birth and God made them fruitful. So the Moabites and Ammonites have an incestous origin!

1. So why were the Sodomites destroyed but the Incestous preserved?

2. Does God know they (father and ladies) would move away from sodomy to incest?

3. If God could protect them from Sodomy why not incest or is incest preferable?

RoyalDiadems:
You don't know God. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, not just because of Sodomy but because they refused to change from the act after a long time of God patiently waiting for them to repent. That's the same way God will finally destroy all the wicked who flaunt the opportunity to repent but keep daring the Almighty God.

Gid doesn't usually punish after just a singular act of sin. He punishes after a long wait in patience forbearance for the sinner to repent.

AntiChristian:
So you actually believed God saved them from sodomy but couldn't protect them from incest?

I don't believe that story!

Lot was a Prophet. God won't let such happen to him.

AntiChristian:
So you actually believed God saved them from sodomy but couldn't protect them from incest?

I don't believe that story!

Lot was a Prophet. God won't let such happen to him.