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Hismasterpiece:
Simple.

There is a God

He created man for fellowship

Man turned away from God and became evil and therefore became destined for hell

God Loves man and wants to save him

God makes a way for man to be saved from hell by sending His Son Jesus.

Now all men can have fellowship with God through His Son Jesus.

No not those, these:

How do I know this

How do I know this is true

How can I exclude contrary information

Is the source of this information dependable and trustworthy

How can I verify this information

Deicide:
Hahn?

Lol. You remember my story

Deicide:
Just wondering if the Church environment makes you uncomfortable and you just want to leave the places. Or it's all fun like when you still a Christian.

Ewww

Church services are absolutely boring and hypocritical.

And the fact that pastors just stand there and tell outright lies with a straight face and people actually believe and respect them and pay money to them makes me jealous.

The only Church I can go to is mine. If I'm not getting a share of the offering money then there's no point of me staying there.

At least I'll feel better knowing the service is an evidence is business doing well

hahn:
Lol. You remember my story

I swear I thought he was you. Cause the stories are similar. I hope you still with your wife sha

Deicide:
I swear I thought he was you. Cause the stories are similar. I hope you still with your wife sha

Lol. Of course. We now have a son as well.

How are you doing?

hahn:
Lol. Of course. We now have a son as well.

How are you doing?

M doing good.

Deicide:
M doing good.

I can't seem to remember, are you theis or atheist?

hahn:
I can't seem to remember, are you theis or atheist?

Atheist. Though I don't label myself anymore.

Deicide:
Atheist. Though I don't label myself anymore.

Me neither. No time.

I was hoping to comment with, "is your god still disappointing you".

But oh well

Hismasterpiece:
Okay, so I don't know of any accounts of people who saw buddah during a near death experience/

It is impossible for people to all see the same thing when they have a near death experience. Especially atheists, because they don't believe in those things.

It is more than the brain. Normally when we dream we forget the things that we dream almost immediately after waking up. But these people don't just see they also feel and experience things the same way they would if they were to experience them in the physical world.

Also, what reason do they have to lie? Its not like they receive money for sharing their testimony

Truth is absolute. What we don't know is if your opinion is the absolute truth.
There are few things we have to agree that are absolute truth.

1. No evidence for your God.
2. No evidence that a virgin can conceive without fertilization.
3. No evidence that a man can walk on water.
4. No evidence that women were created from ribs.

If you opinion contradict theses absolute truth, then your opinon might not be the truth

FatherOfJesus:
Truth is absolute. What we don't know is if your opinion is the absolute truth.
There are few things we have to agree that are absolute truth.

1. No evidence for your God.
2. No evidence that a virgin can conceive without fertilization.
3. No evidence that a man can walk on water.
4. No evidence that women were created from ribs.

If you opinion contradict theses absolute truth, then your opinon might not be the truth

A blind man sees nothing even if a flashlight is pointed directly in his face.

Hismasterpiece:
A blind man sees nothing even if a flashlight is pointed directly in his face.

yes
Same way you can't see evidence that Huamns evolved from apes in the fossil records, genetics etc

FatherOfJesus:
yes
Same way you can't see evidence that Huamns evolved from apes in the fossil records, genetics etc

Lol.. you believe your ancestors were monkeys but you'll be offended if a white man were to refer to you as a monkey.

Hismasterpiece:
Lol.. you believe your ancestors were monkeys but you'll be offended if a white man were to refer to you as a monkey.

No biology textbook says human ancestors were monkeys.
Did you skip classes?

FatherOfJesus:
No biology textbook says human ancestors were monkeys.
Did you skip classes?

'Did I skip classes' says the one who is spiritually illiterate. If you reject the spiritual I don't care how many Bsc's or PhD's or Msc's you have, you don't know anything yet.. The truly wise ones are the ones who acknowledge the spiritual as the parent force of this world.

Hismasterpiece:
'Did I skip classes' says the one who is spiritually illiterate. If you reject the spiritual I don't care how many Bsc's or PhD's or Msc's you have, you don't know anything yet.. The truly wise ones are the ones who acknowledge the spiritual as the parent force of this world.

Did you skip biology classes?

Hismasterpiece:
'Did I skip classes' says the one who is spiritually illiterate. If you reject the spiritual I don't care how many Bsc's or PhD's or Msc's you have, you don't know anything yet.. The truly wise ones are the ones who acknowledge the spiritual as the parent force of this world.

is it a coincidence most so called spiritual literates are empty brains science?

FatherOfJesus:
is it a coincidence most so called spiritual literates are empty brains science?

And isn't it a bigger conicidence that most scientific geniuses are spiritually illiterate?

Hismasterpiece:
And isn't it a bigger conicidence that most scientific geniuses are spiritually illiterate?

I don't know science, hence I will make shit up and call it spiritual

Hismasterpiece:
And isn't it a bigger conicidence that most scientific geniuses are spiritually illiterate?

I don't know how evolution works, I am just gonna all anybody who tries to teach me spiritually illiterate

FatherOfJesus:
Did you skip biology classes?

Did you skip sunday school? Did you skip Believers Foundation Class?

Hismasterpiece:
Did you skip sunday school? Did you skip Believers Foundation Class?

I did all, I read the Bible myself and that's why I know it's nonsense.
You will only accept the Bible when you read it with a half-working brain.

Hismasterpiece:
Simple.

There is a God

He created man for fellowship

Man turned away from God and became evil and therefore became destined for hell

God Loves man and wants to save him

God makes a way for man to be saved from hell by sending His Son Jesus.

Now all men can have fellowship with God through His Son Jesus.

Let me ask you a question on your "Truth is absolute" concept.

If Lord Reed is very good to me and very terrible to you, would I be wrong to say that he is a good person and would you be right to say he is a bad person?
Who is right and who is wrong here?

NB: wrong quote initially.

Hismasterpiece:
And isn't it a bigger conicidence that most scientific geniuses are spiritually illiterate?

Yes, that's why science works and spirits don't exist.
Yoibwill start crying now if I ask you for evidence for spirits

hahn:
Ewww

Church services are absolutely boring and hypocritical.

And the fact that pastors just stand there and tell outright lies with a straight face and people actually believe and respect them and pay money to them makes me jealous.

The only Church I can go to is mine. If I'm not getting a share of the offering money then there's no point of me staying there.

At least I'll feel better knowing the service is an evidence is business doing well

There was this church I used attend with some friends in Ogun state last year when I came visiting them for few months.

I use to have this feeling that clearly the pastor and his wife(she also preachers sometimes) know that all bullshit and they are just whining us.

There was a day we went for a weekday round table program, after we done; they started praying and I decided to open my eyes and scan around only for my eyes to meet with the pastor's wife. I have this feeling that they knew I wasn't shallowing the bullshit they were feeding.

FatherOfJesus:
Yes, that's why science works and spirits don't exist.
Yoibwill start crying now if I ask you for evidence for spirits

Lol... The same way you'll start crying if I asked you for evidence that our ancestors were monkeys

kimco:
Let me ask you a question on your "Truth is absolute" concept.

If Lord Reed is very good to me and very terrible to you, would I be wrong to say that he is a good person and would you be right to say he is a bad person?
Who is right and who is wrong here?

NB: wrong quote initially.

What you just said doesn't relate in anyway to the 'Truth is absolute' concept.

For instance, the Earth is round. If I were to say that the Earth is indeed round and you were to say that 'as far as you are concerned' the Earth is a square and that's 'your truth' would it change the fact that the Earth is round?

The 'truth is absolute' concept has to do with saying that something is the way it is regardless of people's individual opinions about it.

Saying 'truth is relative' means that everyone can just walk around with their own idea of truth. Someone's 'truth' could be that there is nothing wrong with stealing as far as he is concerned. Another person's 'truth' may be that there is nothing wrong with killing someone that offends you. But that doesn't change the fact that those things are indeed wrong.

So truth is absolute bro.

FatherOfJesus:
I did all, I read the Bible myself and that's why I know it's nonsense.
You will only accept the Bible when you read it with a half-working brain.

Alright, bro.. I'm done with this interaction. Peace to you..

FatherOfJesus:
I don't know how evolution works, I am just gonna all anybody who tries to teach me spiritually illiterate

I don't understand your response.

FatherOfJesus:
I don't know science, hence I will make shit up and call it spiritual

If you think all religions are based on guess work then what can you say about scientific 'facts'?

Deicide:
Traditional worshipper

so you worship tradition?

Hismasterpiece:
If you think all religions are based on guess work then what can you say about scientific 'facts'?

whatever I failed to learn in school, I wil just say it's spiritual. I'm a robot with no functioning brains