₦airaland Forum

brainpulse:
Let him di*e a useless one. He has no value to the living.

Na your useless papa go die.

Agbegbaorogboye:
How can they be killed when they are safely nesting and enjoying a cow per day?

Which kind taqiyya prayer be dis?

Is this what Muhammad would have done?

Seems you wine and dine with them. May you perish with them and their cows!

May God protect MNK from the uchurous DSs enemies of freedom. MNK,u are in our prayers and our hearts,always. Victory shall be ours.

This is sad

AntiChristian:
Seems you wine and dine with them. May you perish with them and their cows!

How can I wine and dine with them when they're antichristian. They kill Christians because they want Sharia all over the country.

May all who are antichristian perish and lose all the virgins they thought they'll have

Agbegbaorogboye:
How can I wine and dine with them when they're antichristian. They kill Christians because they want Sharia all over the country.

May all who are antichristian perish and lose all the virgins they thought they'll have

See blatant liar. How many Christians are over there? Are they terrorizing the Christians or Muslims more?

May God punish you this liar in manifold! May the curse on the liar in your Bible Revelations 21:8 follow you everywhere you go!

AntiChristian:
See blatant liar. How many Christians are over there? Are they terrorizing the Christians or Muslims more?

May God punish you this liar in manifold! May the curse on the liar in your Bible Revelations 21:8 follow you everywhere you go!

You mean the number of Chibok and Dapchi girls are not high enough to prick your antichristian conscience? Why are you people this evil?
They terrorise Muslims to create the excuse you're bringing forward. Everyone knows who they're against. The Muslims they kill, they see as martyrs. The Christians they kill, they see as infidels.
The curses in the Bible are for those who don't believe in God and his Son Jesus

Agbegbaorogboye:
You mean the number of Chibok and Dapchi girls are not high enough to prick your antichristian conscience? Why are you people this evil?
They terrorise Muslims to create the excuse you're bringing forward. Everyone knows who they're against. The Muslims they kill, they see as martyrs. The Christians they kill, they see as infidels.
The curses in the Bible are for those who don't believe in God and his Son Jesus

Your mouth is filled with lies!

When BH kidnaps do they ask the people's religion?
Were Mosques not destroyed? Were Imams like Albani and his family not killed?

Continue your lies!

AntiChristian:
Your mouth is filled with lies!

When BH kidnaps do they ask the people's religion?
Were Mosques not destroyed? Were Imams like Albani and his family not killed?

Continue your lies!

It's killing of Muslims a license to kill Christians too by Muhammad's people's standards

Shekau himself said any Muslim killed is a martyr in the cause of Allah.
So why are you going against your oga's philosophy

Agbegbaorogboye:
It's killing of Muslims a license to kill Christians too by Muhammad's people's standards

Shekau himself said any Muslim killed is a martyr in the cause of Allah.
So why are you going against your oga's philosophy

Did i mention that or that's your holly spirit logic?
Shekau is your Jesus so you must believe him.

Agbegbaorogboye:
You mean the number of Chibok and Dapchi girls are not high enough to prick your antichristian conscience? Why are you people this evil?
They terrorise Muslims to create the excuse you're bringing forward. Everyone knows who they're against. The Muslims they kill, they see as martyrs. The Christians they kill, they see as infidels.
The curses in the Bible are for those who don't believe in God and his Son Jesus

Muslims are the most terrorised in the NE this is the reality.

These terrorists see anyone that don't follow their crazy interpretation of Islam as Infidels or "arne"

Subsaharan:
Muslims are the most terrorised in the NE this is the reality.

These terrorists see anyone that don't follow their crazy interpretation of Islam as Infidels or "arne"

Taqiyya. They only want you guys to replicate what you did in 12 states of the north all over the federation

Anything outside that and you're not Muslim enough. But their main grouse is with Christianity and Western ideas

Besides, you all should have known when they were attacking and killing mainly Christians that they will later turn on you when they are done with us

AntiChristian:
Did i mention that or that's your holly spirit logic?
Shekau is your Jesus so you must believe him.

Shekau believes in Muhamaad and Allah. He hates Jesus. He is antichristian

Agbegbaorogboye:
Taqiyya. They only want you guys to replicate what you did in 12 states of the north all over the federation

Anything outside that and you're not Muslim enough. But their main grouse is with Christianity and Western ideas

Besides, you all should have known when they were attacking and killing mainly Christians that they will later turn on you when they are done with us

lol I'm not even Muslim....or Christian.

There's no us v them, it's only in your head.

most people just want to live their lives in peace with others.

I grew up around all ethnic groups and religion you can think of that exists in this country, even Liberians and Sierra leonians
Muslim kids playing with Christian kids, Sharing food on Sallah day and Christmas, normal fight and quarrel like normal people.

you just lack exposure, you need to work on yourself and travel to get rid of your bias and hate, it's hard I know, but your life would be soo much better.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Shekau believes in Muhamaad and Allah. He hates Jesus. He is antichristian

x

Subsaharan:
lol I'm not even Muslim....or Christian.

There's no us v them, it's only in your head.

most people just want to live their lives in peace with others.

I grew up around all ethnic groups and religion you can think of that exists in this country, even Liberians and Sierra leonians
Muslim kids playing with Christian kids, Sharing food on Sallah day and Christmas, normal fight and quarrel like normal people.

you just lack exposure, you need to work on yourself and travel to get rid of your bias and hate, it's hard I know, but your life would be soo much better.

Go and preach your sermon to the twelve states practicing Sharia in the North. If those states did not embrace sharia, these terrorists would have no starting point. That is the starting point of this whole mess.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Go and preach your sermon to the twelve states practicing Sharia in the North. If those states did not embrace sharia, these terrorists would have no starting point. That is the starting point of this whole mess.

There's nothing wrong with Sharia if that's what the people want. it's a democracy isn't it? you don't have to like it.

Same way you have customary courts in the South is the same way you have sharia law or courts in the North. it's a cultural thing, it's been the way of life of the people for hundreds of years before the British invaders came.

Let people decide what they want for themselves. as they say "when in Rome, behave like a Roman"

Subsaharan:
There's nothing wrong with Sharia if that's what the people want. it's a democracy isn't it? you don't have to like it.

Same way you have customary courts in the South is the same way you have sharia law or courts in the North. it's a cultural thing, it's been the way of life of the people for hundreds of years before the British invaders came.

Let people decide what they want for themselves. as they say "when in Rome, behave like a Roman"

The flaw in your argument is in the caveat "What the people want"
Do the people want to be lumped together in one country called Nigeria by the British? Let's start from there. Mind you, sharia law was never the prevailing law for hundreds of years as you claim. Dan Fodio's political Jihad started in 1804. The British came in the 1860s. That's not even up to one hundred year to start with.
But that aside, Sharia is not a culture. It's a religious law and it is disingenuous to equate it to a cultural law like the customary law which is a form of the English common law. The English abandoned the religious canon laws to replace it with the common laws just as was done in the rest of Europe after Bismarck propounded the separation of Church and State. To introduce Sharia law is to bring back that separation and its observed weaknesses which is what has led to the BH we are all talking about today.
Let me also point out the fact to you that sharia was a political weapon used by the Northern Muslim political elite to fight back at a perceived Chrisitian president. BH was also used as a weapon by that same elite to fight the next Christian president. Shall we replicate such in the south? Ordinary IPOB and we see how much bad blood it has generated in the North! Just imagine a religious angle is now added to IPOB like CAN was advocating for at the last constitutional amendment!
The constitution recognized Nigeria as a secular state and the country as a multi-religious and multi-ethnic one and says no one religion shall be exalted as the state religion. Is that not exactly what the enactment of Sharia law does.

And to put it to you straight. The North had customary courts too. And they are quite different from Sharia courts. If you've lived in the North, you will realize they have diverse cultures which even Sharia negates in some instances.

Agbegbaorogboye:
The flaw in your argument is in the caveat "What the people want"
Do the people want to be lumped together in one country called Nigeria by the British? Let's start from there. Mind you, sharia law was never the prevailing law for hundreds of years as you claim. Dan Fodio's political Jihad started in 1804. The British came in the 1860s. That's not even up to one hundred year to start with.
But that aside, Sharia is not a culture. It's a religious law and it is disingenuous to equate it to a cultural law like the customary law which is a form of the English common law. The English abandoned the religious canon laws to replace it with the common laws just as was done in the rest of Europe after Bismarck propounded the separation of Church and State. To introduce Sharia law is to bring back that separation and its observed weaknesses which is what has led to the BH we are all talking about today.
Let me also point out the fact to you that sharia was a political weapon used by the Northern Muslim political elite to fight back at a perceived Chrisitian president. BH was also used as a weapon by that same elite to fight the next Christian president. Shall we replicate such in the south? Ordinary IPOB and we see how much bad blood it has generated in the North! Just imagine a religious angle is now added to IPOB like CAN was advocating for at the last constitutional amendment!
The constitution recognized Nigeria as a secular state and the country as a multi-religious and multi-ethnic one and says no one religion shall be exalted as the state religion. Is that not exactly what the enactment of Sharia law does.

And to put it to you straight. The North had customary courts too. And they are quite different from Sharia courts. If you've lived in the North, you will realize they have diverse cultures which even Sharia negates in some instances.

If the people want a referendum, they know what to do.

don't they have senators and house of Reps members? abi you want military decree for referendum? Habajama!

BH was an organic reaction from the lowest of the society who didn't feel like they were part of it and were treated so
.
All their leaders came from themselves not the elite so I don't know what you're saying if you know how power works, why would the political elites want to ceed power to anybody?

These are guys that want to create their own state where they would be on the top of the society they create.

what would be the fate of the elite?
these people are not stupid, that's why they are in power.

Sharia law was used to appease the agitation of the northern society the marabouts agitated for it, the people join in the agitation, their political class gave them what they wanted.

that's how politics work, it doesn't care about how you feel


Ps


They was Islam in the North before Usman dan fodio's Jihad. he didn't agree with how the people interpreted it hence the Jihad.

his Jihad propelled people who were considered to be the lowest of society and inconsequential to to be the ones running it.

This is what groups like BH and ISWA are aiming to do again.

This time their political class won't allow it

Subsaharan:
If the people want a referendum, they know what to do.

don't they have senators and house of Reps members? abi you want military decree for referendum? Habajama!

BH was an organic reaction from the lowest of the society who didn't feel like they were part of it and were treated so
.
All their leaders came from themselves not the elite so I don't know what you're saying if you know how power works, why would the political elites want to ceed power to anybody?

These are guys that want to create their own state where they would be on the top of the society they create.

what would be the fate of the elite?
these people are not stupid, that's why they are in power.

Sharia law was used to appease the agitation of the northern society the marabouts agitated for it, the people join in the agitation, their political class gave them what they wanted.

that's how politics work, it doesn't care about how you feel


Ps


They was Islam in the North before Usman dan fodio's Jihad. he didn't agree with how the people interpreted it hence the Jihad.

his Jihad propelled people who were considered to be the lowest of society and inconsequential to to be the ones running it.

This is what groups like BH and ISWA are aiming to do again.

This time their political class won't allow it

It is politically dishonest for you to in one breath ask IPOB to request for referendum through their representatives while you describe the introduction of Sharia as reward for agitation. Is one agitation better than the other?
There is nothing in our laws that says request for secession must be through the route of referendum just as nothing in our laws says agitation must resort in the enactment of religious laws. If it were not so, Shiites should have had their own brand of sharia recognized too and people like Wole Soyinka who has suggested our traditional religions be employed when swearing oaths should have got a look-in

It is also not true that BH was from the lowest of the society. It might indicate you are not conversant with the feudalistic nature of the northern social structure. Mohammed Yusuf who pioneered BH was a well known Muslim cleric in the North. He can't be referred to as the lowest of the society just as you can't call Ahmadu Bello or Aminu Kano lowest of the society. As a matter of fact, the BH founder had access to the government house in Borno before he went rogue. A video surfaced recently of him in a debate with Pantami a minister with the present government.

There was Islam in the North before Dan fodio truly, but there was no Sharia. In fact, the traditionalists ran the royal systems in place then before he started his revolt. It's just as the present Ooni of Ife is Christian. It does not mean Ife kingdom have abandoned their iseese for Christianity.

Do you really think the northern low class really wanted sharia or were prodded to it? Boko haram does not mean "Give us sharia" it means "Western education/way of life is sin". It is an ideology propounded by the salafists. So to claim the poor in the north were the one agitating for sharia is to stand logic upside down. It's just like claiming it's the poor in the Nigeria that clamoured for independence!!

Agbegbaorogboye:
It is politically dishonest for you to in one breath ask IPOB to request for referendum through their representatives while you describe the introduction of Sharia as reward for agitation. Is one agitation better than the other?
There is nothing in our laws that says request for secession must be through the route of referendum just as nothing in our laws says agitation must resort in the enactment of religious laws. If it were not so, Shiites should have had their own brand of sharia recognized too and people like Wole Soyinka who has suggested our traditional religions be employed when swearing oaths should have got a look-in

It is also not true that BH was from the lowest of the society. It might indicate you are not conversant with the feudalistic nature of the northern social structure. Mohammed Yusuf who pioneered BH was a well known Muslim cleric in the North. He can't be referred to as the lowest of the society just as you can't call Ahmadu Bello or Aminu Kano lowest of the society. As a matter of fact, the BH founder had access to the government house in Borno before he went rogue. A video surfaced recently of him in a debate with Pantami a minister with the present government.

There was Islam in the North before Dan fodio truly, but there was no Sharia. In fact, the traditionalists ran the royal systems in place then before he started his revolt. It's just as the present Ooni of Ife is Christian. It does not mean Ife kingdom have abandoned their iseese for Christianity.

Do you really think the northern low class really wanted sharia or were prodded to it? Boko haram does not mean "Give us sharia" it means "Western education/way of life is sin". It is an ideology propounded by the salafists. So to claim the poor in the north were the one agitating for sharia is to stand logic upside down. It's just like claiming it's the poor in the Nigeria that clamoured for independence!!

Yes, they got rewarded for their agitation, but to who? The political class!

There are no laws that are follow come, all laws are man made.

You want a referendum clause in the Constitution you have to work really hard for it by building bridges.

I'm sure they are a lot of Nigerians from other geo-pol zones that would want a referendum conducted too

The Ooni of Ife is not a Christian.

Yusuf ran the show, but Yusuf was not as radical as Shekau.

In 2016- ISWA was able to establish a dawla in the Lake Chad(after Shekau lost his caliphate to the MNJTF)

It was Yusuf's son, Habib that ran it. He was now not only a political figure, but a spiritual one too sort of like a monarchy, you see how power works?

A bulk of their fighters come from poor and destitute backgrounds

so in a democratic state, how the hell would IPoB get a referendum without the legitimacy and blessing of the state?

IPoB does not have the support of the political elite so they are wasting their time.

As far as the state is concern, they are illegitimate

Subsaharan:
Yes, they got rewarded for their agitation, but to who? The political class!

There are no laws that are follow come, all laws are man made.

You want a referendum clause in the Constitution you have to work really hard for it by building bridges.

I'm sure they are a lot of Nigerians from other geo-pol zones that would want a referendum conducted too

The Ooni of Ife is not a Christian.

Yusuf ran the show, but Yusuf was not as radical as Shekau.

In 2016- ISWA was able to establish a dalwa in the Lake Chad(after Shekau lost his caliphate to the MNJTF)

It was Yusuf's son, Habib that ran it. He was now not only a political figure, but a spiritual one too sort of like a monarchy, you see how power works?

A bulk of their fighters come from poor and destitute backgrounds

so in a democratic state, how the hell would IPoB get a referendum without the legitimacy and blessing of the state?

IPoB does not have the support of the political elite so they are wasting their time.

As far as the state is concern, they are illegitimate

You are going round in circles and I fear you want to take me with you

Simple question. Is sharia enactment in the states a product of referendum? You claimed it was driven by the low end of the social class and the political elites simply bought into it. And I have opened your eyes to the fact that agitation for sharia came through the political class, the low class were the ones who actually bought into it. If we want to go with your logic, it means the political class simply rewarded itself.

But you still insist on a referendum for IPOB. Same thing I still point out to you that no one requested for a referendum for the sharia issue. Why should that of IPOB require a referendum.

IPOB actually have the support of the political elite in Igboland. The two issues are they are not bold enough to give teeth to the matter as those in the North did with sharia and of course, the agitation did not start from them as a political cause like sharia did with the northern elite. Those in the north had a vendetta to pull with the then central govt and they saw sharia as a cause to do that.

My point about BH is that it is a religious group that came out of bad politics played by the north. That does not remove its religious nature. The cure also has to be religious through the political angle. No two ways about it

Give him kunu da tuwo shege

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Agbegbaorogboye:
You are going round in circles and I fear you want to take me with you

Simple question. Is sharia enactment in the states a product of referendum? You claimed it was driven by the low end of the social class and the political elites simply bought into it. And I have opened your eyes to the fact that agitation for sharia came through the political class, the low class were the ones who actually bought into it. If we want to go with your logic, it means the political class simply rewarded itself.

But you still insist on a referendum for IPOB. Same thing I still point out to you that no one requested for a referendum for the sharia issue. Why should that of IPOB require a referendum.

IPOB actually have the support of the political elite in Igboland. The two issues are they are not bold enough to give teeth to the matter as those in the North did with sharia and of course, the agitation did not start from them as a political cause like sharia did with the northern elite. Those in the north had a vendetta to pull with the then central govt and they saw sharia as a cause to do that.

My point about BH is that it is a religious group that came out of bad politics played by the north. That does not remove its religious nature. The cure also has to be religious through the political angle. No two ways about it

I know your moniker, so i'd reckon that you've been on Nairaland long enough to see when Ganduje was caught drinking beer(which is against Shariah anyway) and the outrage it caused.

Now tell me why he needed to hide when he can just stop sharia virtue of being the Governor of Kano state.

A vast majority of their elite do not agree with Sariah law, the religious class want to retain their power as they could see what happened to the traditional elite who has had their powers taken away by the political elite who would not shy away from putting them in their places when they clash(e.g the Emir of Kano saga) turning them into mere "Custodians of culture"

If IPoB had the support of their political elite my brother, dem for show workings for Abuja.

What you think is support is actual political exploitation which is typical of politicians anyway.

Politicians would not throw their future and power trajectory into uncertainty, the most likely stick to what they control

Nnamdi Kanu has been heard and seen to be calling them all sorts of names even going as far as threatening them.

As the self-proclaimed "Supreme leader" of IPoB, what do their political elite stand to gain for supporting a group built around a cult like figure with a tendency for narcissism?

Subsaharan:
I know your moniker, so i'd reckon that you've been on Nairaland long enough to see when Ganduje was caught drinking beer(which is against Shariah anyway) and the outrage it caused.

Now tell me why he needed to hide when he can just stop sharia virtue of being the Governor of Kano state.

A vast majority of their elite do not agree with Sariah law, the religious class want to retain their power as they could see what happened to the traditional elite who has had their powers taken away by the political elite who would not shy away from putting them in their places when they clash(e.g the Emir of Kano saga) turning them into mere "Custodians of culture"

If IPoB had the support of their political elite my brother, dem for show workings for Abuja.

What you think is support is actual political exploitation which is typical of politicians anyway.

Politicians would not throw their future and power trajectory into uncertainty, the most likely stick to what they control

Nnamdi Kanu has been heard and seen to be calling them all sorts of names even going as far as threatening them.

As the self-proclaimed "Supreme leader" of IPoB, what do their political elite stand to gain for supporting a group built around a cult like figure with a tendency for narcissism?

Lol"
Ganduje caught drinking beer? I'm not aware of that video. But let me help you with two popular incidents. The Gandollar bribery video and former Yobe governor turned senator caught pants down with a lady in an hotel. Unfortunately, both cases as well celebrated as they were did not draw any outrage from any quarters in the north. As a matter of fact, Ganduje was reelected same with the senator. They were voted by the same low people you claim are the custodians and enablers of sharia. As a matter of fact, Ganduje even deposed the Emir and still the low class cusodians of sharia have not revolted. Even recently, his son reported his wife for arrest on some contract scam and the custodians are still not asking for sharia to be implemented against them. What does this scenarios tell you. Sharia is not a threat to the political elite so there's no reason for them to stir the religious waters and become an unpopular gov among the masses. Do you know Makarfi who instituted sharia in Kaduna was derided because he was said to be too friendly with Christians?

What i'm pointing out to you is that Sharia is an instrument of the political class. FYI, even among the poor, they hardly go to sharia courts to resolve legal issues especially of the criminal kind. I have had cause to interfere in such cases in my sojourn and most of them were resolved by vigilantes, police or the emirate council. What i'm showing you is the poor and the rich hardly care for the existence of sharia in the north. It is the religious and political elite that whip it up when they need it as an instrument. It is also for that reason it is hard for them to abrogate it. Because it leads to political suicide and loss of control. It is actually the misguided poor who then buy into the need to push the frontiers of sharia that join such groups as BH. Do you know Buhari promised to expand sharia throughout Nigeria in 2002? That's one of the reasons for his popularity in the north if you must know

IPOB has support of the political elites in the East I tell you. The problem is that they don't know how to go about exploiting it to their own advantage due to the hardline posture of the Central govt and the treasonable colouration the agitation is being given. It's just like BH. No governor in the north would come out to show support for them but we know some govs and politicians were supporting them and some still are.
Politicians only want a situation they can exploit for their goals. IPOB does not present such yet. But they know the dynamics can change anytime and given its popularity in the East, it is political suicide to be against them. Just don't bring them to the mainstream.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Lol"
Ganduje caught drinking beer? I'm not aware of that video. But let me help you with two popular incidents. The Gandollar bribery video and former Yobe governor turned senator caught pants down with a lady in an hotel. Unfortunately, both cases as well celebrated as they were did not draw any outrage from any quarters in the north. As a matter of fact, Ganduje was reelected same with the senator. They were voted by the same low people you claim are the custodians and enablers of sharia. As a matter of fact, Ganduje even deposed the Emir and still the low class cusodians of sharia have not revolted. Even recently, his son reported his wife for arrest on some contract scam and the custodians are still not asking for sharia to be implemented against them. What does this scenarios tell you. Sharia is not a threat to the political elite so there's no reason for them to stir the religious waters and become an unpopular gov among the masses. Do you know Makarfi who instituted sharia in Kaduna was derided because he was said to be too friendly with Christians?

What i'm pointing out to you is that Sharia is an instrument of the political class. FYI, even among the poor, they hardly go to sharia courts to resolve legal issues especially of the criminal kind. I have had cause to interfere in such cases in my sojourn and most of them were resolved by vigilantes, police or the emirate council. What i'm showing you is the poor and the rich hardly care for the existence of sharia in the north. It is the religious and political elite that whip it up when they need it as an instrument. It is also for that reason it is hard for them to abrogate it. Because it leads to political suicide and loss of control. It is actually the misguided poor who then buy into the need to push the frontiers of sharia that join such groups as BH. Do you know Buhari promised to expand sharia throughout Nigeria in 2002? That's one of the reasons for his popularity in the north if you must know

IPOB has support of the political elites in the East I tell you. The problem is that they don't know how to go about exploiting it to their own advantage due to the hardline posture of the Central govt and the treasonable colouration the agitation is being given. It's just like BH. No governor in the north would come out to show support for them but we know some govs and politicians were supporting them and some still are.
Politicians only want a situation they can exploit for their goals. IPOB does not present such yet. But they know the dynamics can change anytime and given its popularity in the East, it is political suicide to be against them. Just don't bring them to the mainstream.

At last we've reached the same conclusion, as far as humans are concerned everything is about politics and power.

We might want to ignore it but social classes exists and politicians sit on top of it

Your secular and liberalism could be interpreted as Christainization and westrenization by others

And the politicians would feed fat on those sentiments

If Biafra will emerge, the political elite would want to lead it, not some ethno-fascist who they think is an opportunist

If you want to play the game at their level you have to pay your dues and climb the social ladder by merit

Not with the barrel of a gun because they control the resources of the state and have the ears and as a result control the narratives of information to the global elite

you'd never match them

Agbegbaorogboye:
Lol"
Ganduje caught drinking beer? I'm not aware of that video. But let me help you with two popular incidents. The Gandollar bribery video and former Yobe governor turned senator caught pants down with a lady in an hotel. Unfortunately, both cases as well celebrated as they were did not draw any outrage from any quarters in the north. As a matter of fact, Ganduje was reelected same with the senator. They were voted by the same low people you claim are the custodians and enablers of sharia. As a matter of fact, Ganduje even deposed the Emir and still the low class cusodians of sharia have not revolted. Even recently, his son reported his wife for arrest on some contract scam and the custodians are still not asking for sharia to be implemented against them. What does this scenarios tell you. Sharia is not a threat to the political elite so there's no reason for them to stir the religious waters and become an unpopular gov among the masses. Do you know Makarfi who instituted sharia in Kaduna was derided because he was said to be too friendly with Christians?

What i'm pointing out to you is that Sharia is an instrument of the political class. FYI, even among the poor, they hardly go to sharia courts to resolve legal issues especially of the criminal kind. I have had cause to interfere in such cases in my sojourn and most of them were resolved by vigilantes, police or the emirate council. What i'm showing you is the poor and the rich hardly care for the existence of sharia in the north. It is the religious and political elite that whip it up when they need it as an instrument. It is also for that reason it is hard for them to abrogate it. Because it leads to political suicide and loss of control. It is actually the misguided poor who then buy into the need to push the frontiers of sharia that join such groups as BH. Do you know Buhari promised to expand sharia throughout Nigeria in 2002? That's one of the reasons for his popularity in the north if you must know

IPOB has support of the political elites in the East I tell you. The problem is that they don't know how to go about exploiting it to their own advantage due to the hardline posture of the Central govt and the treasonable colouration the agitation is being given. It's just like BH. No governor in the north would come out to show support for them but we know some govs and politicians were supporting them and some still are.
Politicians only want a situation they can exploit for their goals. IPOB does not present such yet. But they know the dynamics can change anytime and given its popularity in the East, it is political suicide to be against them. Just don't bring them to the mainstream.

I still don't agree with you that politicians are active supporting BH and ISWA

These guys pretty much running their own show

Most BH are Kanuris and Budumas.

In their power hierarchy only Kanuris can get in to senior leadership positions.

It was this discrimination that lead to a schism which the group Ansaru emerged.

Ansaru is made up of majorly Nwestreners and they moved to NW (Birnin Gwari, KD) to try and form their own caliphate

How would a politician at the top of Nigerian society, actively support a power grab from supposed ursurpers?

They are working to crush them.

NAF deployed Mi-35P/M choppers to the SE see the outcry it had to be redrawn in favour of semi - urban/urban warfare

Bandits and Jihadist get blown to pieces in their hundreds by NAF, applaud and commendation from the political class, what does this tell you?

Subsaharan:
At last we've reached the same conclusion, as far as humans are concerned everything is about politics and power.

We might want to ignore it but social classes exists and politicians sit on top of it

Your secular and liberalism could be interpreted as Christainization and westrenization by others

And the politicians would feed fat on those sentiments

If Biafra will emerge, the political elite would want to lead it, not some ethno-fascist who they think is an opportunist

If you want to play the game at their level you have to pay your dues and climb the social ladder by merit

Not with the barrel of a gun because they control the resources of the state and have the ears and as a result control the narratives of information to the global elite

you'd never match them

I think you type like a scholar, I see myself as a student however

If anyone thinks secularism is Christianization, such person needs to have his head checked. You buy a phone, do a video expounding whatever ideology you believe in and upload it on the net. No one arrests you for that but you think the phone and the net are agents of Christianization?

Do you know Abaribe stood surety for Kanu? OUK visited him and other Igbo political elites have advocated dialoguing with him. The problem is really how to use it to their advantage not that they are against it.

Frankly speaking you really think the Nigerian society revolves around merit? Really?

Subsaharan:
I still don't agree with you that politicians are active supporting BH and ISWA

These guys pretty much running their own show

Most BH are Kanuris and Budumas.

In their power hierarchy only Kanuris can get in to senior leadership positions.

It was this discrimination that lead to a schism which the group Ansaru emerged.

Ansaru is made up of majorly Nwestreners and they moved to NW (Birnin Gwari, KD) to try and form their own caliphate

How would a politician at the top of Nigerian society, actively support a power grab from supposed ursurpers?

They are working to crush them.

NAF deployed Mi-35P/M choppers to the SE see the outcry it had to be redrawn in favour of semi - urban/urban warfare

Bandits and Jihadist get blown to pieces in their hundreds by NAF, applaud and commendation from the political class, what does this tell you?

Read what I wrote well. Politicians supported them. Support for them has waned now because they no longer serve the purpose they did to the elites and well of course, they went fully rogue
Do you know a governor went to the US to claim the Jonathan administration was engaging in ethnic cleansing in the name of fighting BH?
Baba Buhari said an attack against BH is an attack against the North. They also ensured the US did not sell weapons to FG.

What about bandits? How did they come about? I hope you don't buy the story of innocent Fulani herders defending themselves

Agbegbaorogboye:
I think you type like a scholar, I see myself as a student however

If anyone thinks secularism is Christianization, such person needs to have his head checked. You buy a phone, do a video expounding whatever ideology you believe in and upload it on the net. No one arrests you for that but you think the phone and the net are agents of Christianization?

Do you know Abaribe stood surety for Kanu? OUK visited him and other Igbo political elites have advocated dialoguing with him. The problem is really how to use it to their advantage not that they are against it.

Frankly speaking you really think the Nigerian society revolves around merit? Really?

Yes of course, not the way you'd want merit to be defined but they are rules laid down that are peculiar to the Nigerian reality.

Abaribe was milking a political situation

When MK went AWOL it caused a conundrum for him but I think the sensitivity of the situation got him out of trouble, he was not arrested.

he got more popular and that was his reward, he's now seen as a legitimate face for Biafran agitators.

The political elite have to show leadership they have to be the "go-between" The FG and the seccesionist. That's the potential for them to gain more political capital within the Nigerian state

Agbegbaorogboye:
Read what I wrote well. Politicians supported them. Support for them has waned now because they no longer serve the purpose they did to the elites and well of course, they went fully rogue
Do you know a governor went to the US to claim the Jonathan administration was engaging in ethnic cleansing in the name of fighting BH?
Baba Buhari said an attack against BH is an attack against the North. They also ensured the US did not sell weapons to FG.

What about bandits? How did they come about? I hope you don't buy the story of innocent Fulani herders defending themselves

The political class being the political class, classic opportunist.

You talked about how they milked the sharia situation, now they got the power the seeked and seem to see BH and ISWA for what they really are.

I know the bandit situation was exacerbated by the fallout from the 2015 election.

a classic situation of when you give people guns and you run out of use for them, they'll find uses for themselves

Over to IPOB to wail about this.. lol