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RealTalker02:
The same verse is a reference to animals, Genesis 7:22 - the question remain, Does it mean animals possess a being that goes to heaven in their nostrils since spirit and breath were used together for them ?

Olodo....

But other verses distinguished spirit from breath of life.

Your answer is in eccl 3:21

Emusan:
Olodo....

But other verses distinguished spirit from breath of life.

Your answer is in eccl 3:21

Eccl 3:21
Who knows if the human spirit rises upwards and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”

The writer asked a question, how does this change the Fact that animals possess The same spirit like man. The same Hebrew word Ruach, no distinction.

Verse 19

Surely the fate of human beings(A) is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath ; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless.

Exactly the same. To claim man's own is a being , is to claim animals own is also a being

Emusan:
Says the dumb one!

It's evident that breath is different from spirit

“If He should determine to do so,
If He should gather to Himself His spirit and His breath,
All flesh would perish together,
And man would return to dust."

Definitely, both the Spirit of God and breath are in human.

Spirit of God is in animals too Genesis 7:22
And they have breath.

Does it mean a being is inside of them?

In the psalms:

All creatures look to you
to give them their food at the proper time.
28 When you give it to them,
they gather it up;
when you open your hand,
they are satisfied with good things.
29 When you hide your face,(C)
they are terrified;
when you take away their breath, [ Ruach ]
they die and return to the dust

If ruach is a being, animals possess it too.

To even say when Ruach translated to English means breath shows the dishonesty in you.

What returned to GOD is Spirit

Delusion is when you substitute it for breath when in true meaning it's spirit.

Psalm 104:29 is in your Bible, Ruach was translated breath. Deal with it.

The being also went to heaven

' His spirit goes out, that day his thoughts perish '

If his spirit continues to think , and is a person going to heaven, the thought won't have perish.

1Pet 3:19 did not ever say Spirit went to hell. Nowhere in the Bible is spirit of man said to be a being that goes anywhere. That day his thoughts perish.

Emusan:
Both are one!

Not according to the Bible buddy.

No one knows the Father except the son.

Do you agree the son knows the Father than The spirit. ?

RealTalker02:
Not according to the Bible buddy.

No one knows the Father except the son.

Do you agree the son knows the Father than The spirit. ?

I have dealt with this long time ago.

And no one knows the son except the Father but you claim to know the son today, so are you the Father?

RealTalker02:
Eccl 3:21
Who knows if the human spirit rises upwards and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”

The writer asked a question, how does this change the Fact that animals possess The same spirit like man. The same Hebrew word Ruach, no distinction.

Verse 19

Surely the fate of human beings(A) is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath ; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless.

Exactly the same. To claim man's own is a being , is to claim animals own is also a being

I know you'll never address my point.

No wonder you keep jumping from different verse to another.

The early verse you quoted proved that spirit and breath of life are used in the same verse which means they are different.

RealTalker02:
Spirit of God is in animals too Genesis 7:22
And they have breath.

No the spirit of God isn't in animal.

Unless if you classify yourself as animal

The last part shows that you know spirit and breath are of two different things.

Does it mean a being is inside of them?

In the psalms:

All creatures look to you
to give them their food at the proper time.
28 When you give it to them,
they gather it up;
when you open your hand,
they are satisfied with good things.
29 When you hide your face,(C)
they are terrified;
when you take away their breath, [ Ruach ]
they die and return to the dust

If ruach is a being, animals possess it too.

You still haven't given us the full meaning of Rauch.

Psalm 104:29 is in your Bible, Ruach was translated breath. Deal with it.

Does it mean Ruach always MEANS BREATH?

Until you deal with that dishonesty in you, you can't get it

'His spirit goes out, that day his thoughts perish '

If his spirit continues to think , and is a person going to heaven, the thought won't have perish.

I know you lack simple comprehension but I'll help you. His thought perish mean the person doesn't have power over his thought as the only thing left is judgement.

1Pet 3:19 did not ever say Spirit went to hell. Nowhere in the Bible is spirit of man said to be a being that goes anywhere. That day his thoughts perish.

So who are the one in prison in that verse?

His thought perish because nothing done after that counts only judgment next.

Get that into your empty skull

Emusan:
No the spirit of God isn't in animal.

Unless if you classify yourself as animal

The last part shows that you know spirit and breath are of two different things.

You still haven't given us the full meaning of Rauch.


Does it mean Ruach always MEANS BREATH?

Until you deal with that dishonesty in you, you can't get it

Nice word play, it has become " always means " .

You finally agree Ruach means breath. This is the same word translated spirit. Something your gullible sef have been denying since.

What else does Ruach meant as applicable to man and animals ?

I know you lack simple comprehension but I'll help you. His thought perish mean the person doesn't have power over his thought as the only thing left is judgement.

This is a foolish argument. To get Judgement requires your thoughts. No thought, means no life. This means what goes out is breath, it carries no idea of a thinking living person.

Your next statement proves it right .

So who are the one in prison in that verse?

His thought perish because nothing done after that counts only judgment next.

Get that into your empty skull

The text said Jesus preach to spirits in prison . This means this are people capable of thoughts. Not humans whose thought perish at death, preaching requires your mind.

This are clearly not ghosts, but angels.

The ridiculous thing about this text is you interpret the prison here to mean hell. Contradicting what Jesus said about hell

' Fear who can destroy body and soul in hell ' . To be in hell requires an human body.

Your idea has been spirit in hell, which doesn't rhyme with the requirement here, those in prison are angels, any reference to man in hell must be with their body.

Emusan:
I know you'll never address my point.

No wonder you keep jumping from different verse to another.

The early verse you quoted proved that spirit and breath of life are used in the same verse which means they are different.

Soul and spirit are also used in the same verse. Dont they mean the same thing in your context here ?

What goes for judgement is spirit right ?

What happen to the Soul ?

You are confused fellow

Emusan:
I have dealt with this long time ago.

And no one knows the son except the Father but you claim to know the son today, so are you the Father?

Show me where you answer the question.

If nobody in heaven or Earth knows the Father except the Son , Do you admit the person of the son is closer to the Father than holy spirit ?

RealTalker02:
Show me where you answer the question.

If nobody in heaven or Earth knows the Father except the Son , Do you admit the person of the son is closer to the Father than holy spirit ?

You can begin to read my post since I join nairaland

RealTalker02:
Soul and spirit are also used in the same verse. Dont they mean the same thing in your context here?

What goes for judgement is spirit right ?

What happen to the Soul ?

You are confused fellow

Keep twisting mouth like a confused person

Emusan:
You can begin to read my post since I join nairaland

Are you afraid, ?

If truly We have three persons here

Person of the Father

Person of the Son
And person of the spirit.

Between the Son and holy spirit, do you agree the son is closest to the Father going by the text that said nobody knows the Father except the Son ?

Emusan:
Keep twisting mouth like a confused person

Point out what was twisted, if two things appearing together mean they are different

Can you explain what is the soul, since the spirit is what goes for judgement,? Both usually appear together , or are they the Same thing ?

RealTalker02:
Nice word play, it has become " always means " .

Rather you're the dishonest person playing with word.

You make it seems it's ALWAYS MEAN BREATH

You finally agree Ruach means breath.

I never deny it, do I?

But do you agree that Ruach also mean SPIRIT?

This is the same word translated spirit.

Now you're talking. So which means it not ALWAYS MEAN breath as you're crying over since.

Something your gullible sef have been denying since.

Where did I deny it?

Are you not the dumb mind trying to make it look like it Always MEANS BREATH?

What else does Ruach meant as applicable to man and animals?

It means in man it means more than animal reason majority of scholars agreed to it as being for man and reason the Bible says It'll go back to God while that animal will have no reason to go to back to heaven.

This is a foolish argument.

Your is more dumbest.

To get Judgement requires your thoughts. No thought, means no life. This means what goes out is breath, it carries no idea of a thinking living person.

Your next statement proves it right .

You don't need thought on judgment day.

The text said Jesus preach to spirits in prison . This means this are people capable of thoughts.

You can't prove it further.

Not humans whose thought perish at death, preaching requires your mind.

It's evident you don't understand those verses

This are clearly not ghosts, but angels.

Liar, Jesus didn't come to help Angels but human.

How long will you continue to defend your dumb doctrine?

The ridiculous thing about this text is you interpret the prison here to mean hell. Contradicting what Jesus said about hell

' Fear who can destroy body and soul in hell ' . To be in hell requires an human body.

Lol...... definitely you don't understand Jesus there.

Your idea has been spirit in hell, which doesn't rhyme with the requirement here, those in prison are angels, any reference to man in hell must be with their body.

Jesus never come to help Angels, saying that alone shows you lack scriptural knowledge.

Definitely you don't understand Jesus Christ there.

RealTalker02:
Are you afraid?

If truly We have three persons here

Person of the Father

Person of the Son
And person of the spirit.

Between the Son and holy spirit, do you agree the son is closest to the Father going by the text that said nobody knows the Father except the Son ?

Yet you claim to know the son when it's the only FATHER who knows the son

RealTalker02:
Point out what was twisted, if two things appearing together mean they are different

Still proving his confusion

Can you explain what is the soul, since the spirit is what goes for judgement,? Both usually appear together , or are they the Same thing ?

Google is there for you not me

Emusan:
Still proving his confusion

Google is there for you not me

Lost cause.

If spirit is already a being, your ignorance don't even know what to place as the soul. Or else he admit both are the same

Emusan:
Rather you're the dishonest person playing with word.

You make it seems it's ALWAYS MEAN BREATH
I never deny it, do I?

But do you agree that Ruach also mean SPIRIT?
Now you're talking. So which means it not ALWAYS MEAN breath as you're crying over since.
Where did I deny it?

Are you not the dumb mind trying to make it look like it Always MEANS BREATH?

Ruach as spirit , is the same as Ruach as breath. No difference.

This is why your ignorance won't allow you answer what is a soul, if spirit is a being .

It means in man it means more than animal reason majority of scholars agreed to it as being for man and reason the Bible says It'll go back to God while that animal will have no reason to go to back to heaven.

Your scholars are dumb

Psalm 104:29 describe Ruach for ALL CREATURES as their breath !

Your is more dumbest.

You don't need thought on judgment day.

You can't prove it further.

It's evident you don't understand those verses
Liar, Jesus didn't come to help Angels but human.

How long will you continue to defend your dumb doctrine?
Lol...... definitely you don't understand Jesus there.

Jesus never come to help Angels, saying that alone shows you lack scriptural knowledge.

Definitely you don't understand Jesus Christ there.

A text about preaching proves this is for people with a mind. To preach is to send a message. This totally rule out the idea of human spirit as a being, their thoughts has perish. They can't be preached to !!

It even said " prison" not hell, to claim some people go to prison and some other to hell proved God is partial. You are forced to read prison as hell. Which is not there because of your ignorance

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If the text refer to human, I ask how come their human body is not there ? Is Jesus lying now that body and soul MUST be together in hell ?

RealTalker02:
Lost cause.

If spirit is already a being, your ignorance don't even know what to place as the soul. Or else he admit both are the same

I like your mind reading

You're still confused, try harder!

RealTalker02:
Ruach as spirit , is the same as Ruach as breath. No difference.

This alone shows how dumb you are.

This is why your ignorance won't allow you answer what is a soul, if spirit is a being

Your dumb skull can't figure that out.

Your scholars are dumb

Psalm 104:29 describe Ruach for ALL CREATURES as their breath !

Alright Mr much sense

A text about preaching proves this is for people with a mind. To preach is to send a message. This totally rule out the idea of human spirit as a being, their thoughts has perish. They can't be preached to !!

Says the dumbest mind.

Do more reading on what that verse mean, maybe your empty skull will grab it

It even said " prison" not hell, to claim some people go to prison and some other to hell proved God is partial. You are forced to read prison as hell. Which is not there because of your ignorance

After your lying mouth was exposed that Jesus didn't come to help Angels, I understand though

If the text refer to human, I ask how come their human body is not there ? Is Jesus lying now that body and soul MUST be together in hell ?

Jesus never said that just your dumb skull did.

Read what Jesus said again, this time slowly and slowly

Emusan:
Yet you claim to know the son when it's the only FATHER who knows the son

I only test a theology. Spirit of God is a person

According to the Bible , no one knows the things of God except the spirit of God. Which means spirit of God if it's a person is far closer to the Father than Jesus .

Whereas Jesus said this is impossible, no one knows the Father except the Son.

This is a blatant contradiction here, Either Jesus lied or Paul lied.

Idiots who held to Trinity can't even solve this dillema, two persons claiming to be the closest, one must be true and the other either a liar or not a person to begin with.

Emusan:
This alone shows how dumb you are.
Your dumb skull can't figure that out.

Alright Mr much sense

Says the dumbest mind.

Do more reading on what that verse mean, maybe your empty skull will grab it

After your lying mouth was exposed that Jesus didn't come to help Angels, I understand though

Jesus will judge angels.

Jesus never said that just your dumb skull did.

Read what Jesus said again, this time slowly and slowly

Fear him who can throw body and soul in hell, are you blind? You can't see body ?

RealTalker02:
I only test a theology. Spirit of God is a person

Or you're displaying your ignoramus

According to the Bible , no one knows the things of God except the spirit of God. Which means spirit of God if it's a person is far closer to the Father than Jesus.

Correct according to the holy book

Whereas Jesus said this is impossible, no one knows the Father except the Son.

Which the first statement you made is a lie, ko?

See the reason I said you're confused

This is a blatant contradiction here, Either Jesus lied or Paul lied.

No contradiction just the way your brain was wired to understand it.

Idiots who held to Trinity can't even solve this dillema, two persons claiming to be the closest, one must be true and the other either a liar or not a person to begin with.

We have since even before you were born.

Only the Father knows the son yet you claim to know the son, are you the Father?

Emusan:
Or you're displaying your ignoramus

Correct according to the holy book
Which the first statement you made is a lie, ko?

See the reason I said you're confused

No contradiction just the way your brain was wired to understand it.

We have since even before you were born.

Only the Father knows the son yet you claim to know the son, are you the Father?

No one knows the Father except the Son means nobody else comes close to the person of the son, no other person! I understand you are going through cognitive dissonance.

This force the statement that No one knows the things of God except the spirit of God to be either Lie or the spirit is not a person.

RealTalker02:
Jesus will judge angels.

Dumb skull, "preaching to" has changed to "judge"

Fear him who can throw body and soul in hell, are you blind? You can't see body ?

I'm not but it's evident you're blind and a liar because Jesus didn't say "that body and soul MUST be together in hell" as you implied earlier

RealTalker02:
No one knows the Father except the Son means nobody else comes close to the person of the son, no other person! I understand you are going through cognitive dissonance.

This force the statement that No one knows the things of God except the spirit of God to be either Lie or the spirit is not a person.

Lemme rephrase your point to you again "No one knows the Son except the Father means nobody else comes close to the person of the Father, no other person! I understand you are going through cognitive dissonance since you claim to know the son

Emusan:
Dumb skull, "preaching to" has changed to "judge"

You can preach judgement on a person.

The text didn't say he went and deliver them from the prison.

Those are not humans, for an human to be in hell, they need their human body.

I'm not but it's evident you're blind and a liar because Jesus didn't say "that body and soul MUST be together in hell" as you implied earlier

Jesus use " both " body and soul , Don't be a fool.

Emusan:
Lemme rephrase your point to you again "No one knows the Son except the Father means nobody else comes close to the person of the Father, no other person! I understand you are going through cognitive dissonance since you claim to know the son

Buddy, of all persons that exist ... i who knows the Father more, is it the son or the spirit ?

RealTalker02:
You can preach judgement on a person. The text didn't say he went and deliver them from the prison.

You're still lying keep it up, only if you know how dumb you sound.

Those are not humans, for an human to be in hell, they need their human body.

They are human spirits

Jesus use " both " body and soul , Don't be a fool.

And you added "MUST"

Lying liar and confused person

RealTalker02:
Buddy, of all persons that exist ... i who knows the Father more, is it the son or the spirit ?

Do you know the son? Ode...

If human spirit is a being, wht then is the soul that goes to hell ? .

Are they the same Despite used differently in same sentences.

I still demand this @Emusan