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tctrills:
The men of old looked forward to the coming of Christ to save the world. That is called faith in Jesus Christ. John 3.16, whosoever believed in him shall have everlasting life. Did they not believe in him?
The big question for you is what more would you want them to do or say to show that they believed Jesus Christ and knew he was the son of God? Because they ticked all the boxes.
4. And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Christ was the Spiritual Rock of Isreal, they drank out from him. There expirience with Christ was much deeper than yours.

Even when he finally showed up. Few of the Jews believed in him. Like the Pharisees, they believed in the prophecy about him.
When he finally came and their expectations were different from what they saw, they didn't eventually believe him or they denied him.

They didn't drink from Christ bobo. They drank from rock. Christ was compared to the rock. You can believe whatever you want to believe about that.

People began to know Christ when he was on earth.

Even when he finally showed up. Few of the Jews believed in him. Like the Pharisees, they believed in the prophecy about him.
When he finally came and their expectations were different from what they saw, they didn't eventually believe him or they denied him. And who is to blame? Today, does everyone believe him? There was never a time everyone believed. But that does not stop God from revealing him.

They didn't drink from Christ bobo. They drank from rock. Christ was compared to the rock. You can believe whatever you want to believe about that. The bible says that rock was Christ. 4. And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

People began to know Christ when he was on earth. The wise men and Simon prove your theory is false. David and daniel prove your theory is false. Abraham proves your theory is false.

Even when he finally showed up. Few of the Jews believed in him. Like the Pharisees, they believed in the prophecy about him.
When he finally came and their expectations were different from what they saw, they didn't eventually believe him or they denied him.
You must also know that at the time he showed up, Isreal was in a sinful state or apostate state. Their religious leaders (The Pharisees) were very evil. So why are you surprised they did not accept him. What did you expect?

Don't also forget, these men were just like you, They had not seen Christ just like you. They only had the scriptures but they believed in his mission just like you do. Please mention any particular thing you have that they did not?

A prophecy is a revelation if what would happen in the future. what was the purpose of the prophecy? It was to lead men unto Christ. It was not done for fun. God revealed His word to them because he wanted them to act upon it. What action were they supposed to take? The very same you and I are expected to take. They were expected to believe; simple

cornelboy:
Comot jàre. We were talking about David and Isaiah. They didn't know Christ. They only heard of him through prophecy.

Nobody knew Christ before he came to the world.
We were able to know Christ today because he has come and his accounts were written in the four gospel books. David and Isaiah didn't know Christ like I do today.

The wise men located Christ because of the words of the Prophets.
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, [a]wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.”

3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born.

5 So they said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet:

cornelboy:
A prophecy is a revelation if what would happen in the future.

For example the Jews existing during Jesus life on earth didn't know about Jesus before he came.
Some started believing when they saw the sign. Isaiah believe God would send the Messiah but he never knew the Messiah himself.

If you are not yet convinced then you need to read this.
Acts 10:43 "All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.
You see, they believed the very same thing that you believe.
Note the verse says the Prophets testified about him. Do you know what a testimony is? You cant bear testimony of what you don't know unless you are a false witness.

They didn't drink from Christ bobo. They drank from rock. Christ was compared to the rock. You can believe whatever you want to believe about that. When you get to heaven, make the argument with Paul for saying Christ is the rock. I would enjoy listening to you argue with Paul.

Janosky:
Your statement I quoted is not rocket science.


Isaiah said:
"He will be called.... "mighty God" .
Isaiah references a future time.
Isaiah did not say he (Jesus) Most High God, Yahweh.

"He will be called... Everlasting Father ".
Isaiah references a future time.
Isaiah did not say he (Jesus) is his Father , Yahweh the Creator, Isaiah 44:24 &1 Cor 8:6.

Please note the difference.
Matthew 12:15-20, Jesus Christ references Isaiah's prophecy to REMOVE every Trinitarian attempt to make him Almighty God."

Please, I was not trying to blow you off. I was only letting you know that you were not understanding our topic. In the topic, we were discussing who Christ was to the people in the old testament. It was not about the trinity. We wanted to know if they of old knew about Christ. And what he meant to them according to the scriptures.

[s][quote author= post=112626263]In Christianity, Jesus is the Son of God and in mainstream Christian denominations he is God the Son, the second person in the Trinity.
He is the Jewish messiah ( Christ) who is prophesied in the Hebrew Bible,
which is called the Old Testament in Christianity.[/quote][/s]

tctrills:
If you are not yet convinced then you need to read this.
Acts 10:43
You see, they believed the very same thing that you believe.
Note the verse says the Prophets testified about him. Do you know what a testimony is? You cant bear testimony of what you don't know unless you are a false witness.

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All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name...".

All the prophets testified through prophecy. They were expecting the Messiah but Christ didn't come during their time. They don't know God was going to send. They believed Jehovah that he would send the Christ.

The person eventually came, Jesus Christ.

People started recieving forgiveness of sin after his sacrificial death.

The prophets killed animal for their forgiveness of sin.

tctrills:
The wise men located Christ because of the words of the Prophets.
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, [a]wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.”
3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born.
5 So they said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet:

The wise men saw his Star when he was born and they traced it. They might have heard of the prophecy but it doesn't prove anything here.

tctrills:
Please, I was not trying to blow you off. I was only letting you know that you were not understanding our topic. In the topic, we were discussing who Christ was to the people in the old testament. It was not about the trinity. We wanted to know if they of old knew about Christ. And what he meant to them according to the scriptures.

They certainly don't know of him. They heard that some Messiah is coming and they don't even know who the Messiah is going to be.

They certainly don't know of him. What does it mean to know Christ?
They heard that some Messiah is coming and they don't even know who the Messiah is going to be.
When you say they heard about some Messiah, it makes it sound like they heard from a rumor. Why don't you put it like this, God revealed the Messiah to them?
I asked you to mention anything you know about Jesus that they of old did not know.
1. They knew he was the Son of God
2. They accepted him as their Lord
3. They knew his name is Immanuel. Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. The Hebrew equivalent of the word Christ is Messiah.
4. They knew he would take away their sins. Acts 10:43 "All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.
5. They knew he would be the lawgiver and that the laws of Moses were temporal.
6. They looked forward to his coming.
7. They had faith in him.

cornelboy:
The wise men saw his Star when he was born and they traced it. They might have heard of the prophecy but it doesn't prove anything here.

They were led to Jesus by the prophecy, Just like you are led to Him by the new testament no difference

[quote author=cornelboy post=112655077]"
All the prophets testified through prophecy. They were expecting the Messiah but Christ didn't come during their time. don't know God was going to send. They believed Jehovah that he would send the Christ.
But they knew. They knew Immanuel would be sent. Please read the bible.

People started recieving forgiveness of sin after his sacrificial death.
Wrong again. All sins are forgiven through.

The prophets killed animal for their forgiveness of sin. Yes they did because they were expecting Jesus Christ, The bible says they testified that Jesus would take away the sins of the world.

cornelboy:
They certainly don't know of him. They heard that some Messiah is coming and they don't even know who the Messiah is going to be.

Read Hebrew 11.13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

These men did not have Christ in their time but they saw the promises of Christ from afar and were persuaded of them, and embraced them.

cornelboy:
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All the prophets testified through prophecy. They were expecting the Messiah but Christ didn't come during their time. They don't know God was going to send. They believed Jehovah that he would send the Christ.

The person eventually came, Jesus Christ.

People started recieving forgiveness of sin after his sacrificial death.

The prophets killed animal for their forgiveness of sin.

Don't you see how controversial you are becoming? You keep saying that God gave them the prophecy of Christ and at the same time they did not know Christ.
The two can't be true. If God revealed Christ to them via prophecy then clearly they knew Christ. The prophecy were not in vain. The purpose of the prophecy is to reveal Christ.
And you are yet to answer my question, what do you know about Christ that they did not know

tctrills:
Don't you see how controversial you are becoming? You keep saying that God gave them the prophecy of Christ and at the same time they did not know Christ.
The two can't be true. If God revealed Christ to them via prophecy then clearly they knew Christ. The prophecy were not in vain. The purpose of the prophecy is to reveal Christ.
And you are yet to answer my question, what do you know about Christ that they did not know

What's a prophecy?
Why was the prophecy about the Messiah given?

tctrills:
Read Hebrew 11.13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
These men did not have Christ in their time but they saw the promises of Christ from afar and were persuaded of them, and embraced them.

They didn't receive the promise. That's enough explanation.

[quote author=tctrills post=112657307][/quote]Not the sin of the world. Only the sins of those that believe in him.

tctrills:
They were led to Jesus by the prophecy, Just like you are led to Him by the new testament no difference

So how many people were led to Christ aside Isaiah and David

cornelboy:
Not the sin of the world. Only the sins of those that believe in him.

You make John a liar. John 1:29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Please stick to the word of God

cornelboy:
So how many people were led to Christ aside Isaiah and David

Not a meaningful question. How many people are led to God since Christ came? Do you have the records of how many people are led to God since this year? Please what point are you making here

cornelboy:
They didn't receive the promise. That's enough explanation.

Yes they waited for it

tctrills:
Not a meaningful question. How many people are led to God since Christ came? Do you have the records of how many people are led to God since this year? Please what point are you making here

Weren't the Pharisees, Sadducees and the Jews also waiting for the Christ? Did their waiting or the prophecies they knew about him have any effect without believing in Christ Jesus?

cornelboy:
Weren't the Pharisees, Sadducees and the Jews also waiting for the Christ? Did their waiting or the prophecies they knew about him have any effect without believing in Christ Jesus?

But you should know they were evil nah. i don't need to teach you that.
Read this to understand why they did not believe him.
3 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
They were evil and had chosen to follow the devil unlike Simon and the wise men and John the baptist and the many others that choose to believe him.

The only reason why the Pharisees did not believe Christ was because of their wickedness.

tctrills:
But you should know they were evil nah. i don't need to teach you that.
Read this to understand why they did not believe him.
3 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
They were evil and had chosen to follow the devil unlike Simon and the wise men and John the baptist and the many others that choose to believe him.
The only reason why the Pharisees did not believe Christ was because of their wickedness.

What about the rest of the Jews that didn't believe when he actually came?
What bout the present Jews that are still expecting the Christ today? Are they saved and recieving the forgiveness of sin through his blood?

cornelboy:
What about the rest of the Jews that didn't believe when he actually came?
What bout the present Jews that are still expecting the Christ today? Are they saved and recieving the forgiveness of sin through his blood?

It's the same thing today, what about those who don't believe. There would always be some who believe and some who don't. Do you know how many years it took Christianity to become mainstream? Is it everyone you talk to that ends up believing? Why do you think the Jews would be any better?
Do you remember John teaching saying, "He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, ?" He was referring to the Jews. the Jews have always been his people. His relationship with them did not begin with his birth. The only difference was that with his coming, they could deal directly with him and not through a prophet.

tctrills:
It's the same thing today, what about those who don't believe. There would always be some who believe and some who don't. Do you know how many years it took Christianity to become mainstream? Is it everyone you talk to that ends up believing? Why do you think the Jews would be any better?

Hey, Isaiah didn't believe in Jesus Christ. He only believed the prophecy that someone is coming to be the Christ. He never knew Jesus.
Thanks.

cornelboy:
Hey, Isaiah didn't believe in Jesus Christ. He only believed the prophecy that someone is coming to be the Christ. He never knew Jesus.
Thanks.

Listen to yourself. You are simply saying that Isaiah did not believe in Christ but he believed in God's revelation about Christ. You seem confused here. Seem you agree that God revealed Christ (prophecy) why are you finding it hard to understand that it impossible for him to believe the revelations of God about Christ and doubt Christ.

cornelboy:
Hey, Isaiah didn't believe in Jesus Christ. He only believed the prophecy that someone is coming to be the Christ. He never knew Jesus.
Thanks.

My brother, you shouldn't be struggling with this na. Let me ask you, do you believe the prophecies in the Book of Revelations? Many of these prophecies are yet to happen yet you believe and you are blessed for that. So how is this any different? Do you believe Jesus would come again?
now let this verse ring in your mind all the time. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Seeing is not always believing. Faith comes before sight.
The old testament people hoped for the coming of Jesus just like you look forward to his second coming. How is your faith any better than theirs?
Another memory verse for you.
Revelation 19.10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Did the prophets of old have the spirit of prophecy? if yes then they had the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Now, remember we are saved by our testimony.
Revelation 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Now seen these men had the testimony of Christ what more is needed, my brother? Biko answer me.
So when Isaiah says, "18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. It was not Going to happen through the blood of goat but through the blood of Christ.