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Mikee19:
Inconsistent with that passage
1) Those to whom u claim "torment" meant "not mixing with nice humans" BEGGED to be sent into as pigs (not humans). They were ok to be sent into PIGS!
2) Once in the pigs they KILLED THEM and didn't even have anything they were inhabiting again! They didn't care about the pigs! They didn't care about not having a body to inhabit and be "homeless" in neither pigs nor humans! All they cared about was simply that they REMAINED IN THAT SAME COUNTRY whether they were inhabiting something or NOT!
3) Once more, just accept God's word for the EXACT WORD IT SAYS! They didn't want to go out of the country! No preference or mention is given IN THIS CONTEXT about inhabiting humans!Your exegesis is wrong!

MaxInDHouse:
I also believe you're WRONG!

It's your interpretation against mine so there's no need saying you got it right when you can't prove what you're saying in reality.

Those demons used discernment because Jesus is driving them out of the body of a man who is no relative of Jesus so if they should approach another human Jesus won't allow them have a stay. The pigs saw them coming that's why they all rushed off the cliff.
So what really matters to them is the possession of humans (intelligent beings) note that they're many in just one man because they know how valuable a man is to his maker who created man in His own IMAGE! Genesis 1:26

Once they're able to possess a human they have that satisfaction of being close to the Maker after all they are possessing a creature in His image, that's why Jesus who is also a spirit could say "humans worth much more than a thousand animals" {Matthew 10:31} even though we are all souls! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

MaxInDHouse:
It's your interpretation against mine so there's no need saying you got it right when you can't prove what you're saying in reality.

Maynman:
The interpretation is clear, but your agenda as one of the fallen watchers of yaldaboath won’t let you agree.

Mikee19:
actually there's more
4) Even when sent out of the country, they can go into ANOTHER COUNTRY to meet other "nice humans" to interact with! The problem isn't that they cannot meet other humans again na! Again, the problem is that they wanted to remain, as said exactly in the scripture, IN THE COUNTRY! Absence of humans has absolutely no bearing on it!

Mikee19:
You sure? You saying they wanted to be "close to humans" isn't wrong considering they didn't end up in any humans at the end? And Jesus won't be there with them in another country to prevent them from staying in someone else there? Make me understand how so pls

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i pity anyone who ignored JWs when they come preaching!

Do you think demons don't have their own domains?

For your information they're many throughout the world and most powerful ones among them are seated in public offices possessing whoever mount such a seat either as President or Governor. So their counterparts dominating other lands will not allow them in their domain!
That's why each demon move with the race it has captured and when about to take over any location it's their own worshipers that will pursue the slaves of the other spirit away, which means the spirit will have to move with his own worshipers.
So when the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob came from nowhere to rescue the Israelites without a fight all other nations throughout the earth became afraid of this SPIRIT!

MaxInDHouse:
The pigs saw them coming that's why they all rushed off the cliff.

Mikee19:
One more thing I'll like to know:
How did the pigs see the spirits? with physical eyes or spiritual eyes? Why can pigs see them coming, but humans can't see them coming to possess them?
2) They begged to enter the pigs. Did they fully intend to enter those pigs or not? lemme quote the New World Translation so it can be clear for u to see and respond
Mar 5:12-13 NWT 12 So they entreated him, saying: "Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them." 13 And he permitted them. With that the unclean spirits came out and entered into the swine; and the herd rushed over the precipice into the sea, about two thousand of them, and they drowned one after another in the sea.

MaxInDHouse:
THEY ENTERED INTO THE SWINE!

Mikee19:
Ok...
But the only thing now that separates us is that in your own exegesis you claimed that "torment" can mean "prevent a person from doing what they love" though unable to give any other real life example where it can actually mean that, but expecting that it is accepted that this is the only exception in the whole world where it means this (unless you'll now give that example here where torment means this)
pigs can't see spirits tho. Insignificant to this talk anyways.
If you are ok with believing stuff where suddenly one word means something totally different such as to back up your claim, tho you can't find it meaning so anywhere else, good for you.
But like I'd said, there's bigger fish to fry. Cheers

MaxInDHouse:
You'll observe how calm and collected i am when answering you but i never asked you any questions because i know if i should do you will end up saying "I DON'T KNOW"
Well have it at the back of your mind that animals do perceive spirits and the spirits don't enjoy possessing animals like humans.
Farewell!

Mikee19:
Ooh we will have our time. We'll talk Trinity in future like I said for sure.
Until then...

LilMissFavvy:
What do you mean by kill the soul? Ezekiel 18:4 says the soul that sinneth shall die. Do you not know that the death it is talking about here simply means the soul perishing in hell?

Now look at the following scriptures and you will see that there are so many figurative expressions used to describe hell'. It is not called hell' all the time.

1st. These. 1:8-9 "mentions hell' as everlasting destruction from God's presence".
Mat. 8:12 calls it outer darkness.
Mat. 25:30. Calls it Eternal punishment.
Mat. 13:50 calls it furnace
John 15:5-6 describes it as being withered/burnt.
Revelations Has described it in many words, lake of fire, everlasting fire, etc.

So wether is is called death, hell, destruction, wither, furnace, whatever it is called simply refers to what will happen to the soul that will not make heaven (eternity, eternal life). The opposite of eternal life is eternal destruction, damnation, (hell).

Uchesis:
But if the soul perishes in hell, does it mean that it is dead? The bible is contradicting itself. Hell is suppose to be a place of torment, not a graveyard. If souls are going to die in hell then why the wailing and gnashning of teeth as we were told. Revelations was originally not a part of the bible. Thats where all this confusion is coming from

MaxInDHouse:
Really enjoyed the time spent with you!

Uchesis:
But if the soul perishes in hell, does it mean that it is dead? The bible is contradicting itself. Hell is suppose to be a place of torment, not a graveyard. If souls are going to die in hell then why the wailing and gnashning of teeth as we were told.

Revelations was originally not a part of the bible. Thats where all this confusion is coming from

LilMissFavvy:
No, it does not mean the soul is dead. You can remember the story of Lazarus who sat on the floor with dogs licking his wounds, he sat to pick crumbs of food from the rich man's table. The rich man wasn't a believer of Christ or had Mercy on Lazarus. Read the passage up, and find out wether when the rich man finally went to hell wether his soul died in hell , or wether his soul stayed there in hell facing pains and eternal damnation. Luke 16:19-31.

Maynman:
A parable.

LilMissFavvy:
The words are the words of Jesus, read it up. Would Jesus give a parable that is different from what would happen on judgement day? Have you not seen other Bible portion which say the same thing Jesus said? (Eg. Rev. 20:10). If there is eternal life, are you not supposed to think and know that what Jesus said in that scriptures is eternal destruction? Eternal punishment is the opposite of eternal life. If you like believe it, if you like continue to fool' yourself.

Maynman:
Only a Big fool takes a parable literally.

LilMissFavvy:
I now know who you are. You are just floating around to confuse genuine Christians. Whosoever doesn't believe the very words of Jesus is not a believer.

LilMissFavvy:
No, it does not mean the soul is dead. Read Revelations 20:10. Also read the story of Lazarus. You can remember the story of Lazarus who sat on the floor with dogs licking his wounds, he sat to pick crumbs of food from the rich man's table. The rich man wasn't a believer of Christ or had Mercy on Lazarus. Read the passage up, and find out wether when the rich man finally went to hell wether his soul died in hell , or wether his soul stayed there in hell facing pains and eternal damnation. Luke 16:19-31.

Image123:
Duh, i meant your OP, i don't expect you to prove facts wrong.

cornelboy:
The fact is "lake of fire" symbolises destruction.

Image123:
How is it a fact?

MaxInDHouse:
Go and STUDY the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses, you will have the ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of these things!

LilMissFavvy:
No, it does not mean the soul is dead. Read Revelations 20:10. Also read the story of Lazarus. You can remember the story of Lazarus who sat on the floor with dogs licking his wounds, he sat to pick crumbs of food from the rich man's table. The rich man wasn't a believer of Christ or had Mercy on Lazarus. Read the passage up, and find out wether when the rich man finally went to hell wether his soul died in hell , or wether his soul stayed there in hell facing pains and eternal damnation. Luke 16:19-31.

LilMissFavvy:
Read vs 37, and see the question Jesus asked. Jesus asked what a man can give in exchange to his soul, of course the disciples understood that question, that Jesus was trying to say that no loss on earth, can be greater the loss of having your soul lost in eternal damnation of hell.

Uchesis:
But if the soul perishes in hell, does it mean that it is dead? The bible is contradicting itself. Hell is suppose to be a place of torment, not a graveyard. If souls are going to die in hell then why the wailing and gnashning of teeth as we were told.

Revelations was originally not a part of the bible. Thats where all this confusion is coming from

MaxInDHouse:
Please where in the STORY/PARABLE is written that the rich man is not a believer and that he had no mercy on Lazarus?

Exoticfarmer:
Quite true. But I have these to add:
1. The word soul is used severally in scripture and can mean two things : a) an embodiment of life. b)the seat of thoughts,will and emotions.
It takes discernment to rightfully divide the Word.

2. My second input is that any and every term/element of a scriptural parable is real both literally and symbolically.

3. Heaven is real, hell is real.Jesus preached of a blissful heaven and warned against a hell with gnashing of teeth and weeping. Any1 that believes otherwise should consider this:
Has Jesus ever used a fictional element in his parables? No. Heaven/hell are as real as pearls,corn, mustard,bread,etc

LilMissFavvy:
As a Christian, would you feel good to see a helpless man, with wounds on his body, dogs lick his wounds, he eats the crumbs that falls from your table, yet it doesn't bug your conscience? Does that sound like someone who knew Christ? If he was a good man, he would have helped Lazarus.