₦airaland Forum

Islie:
Mr Useni was a Lieutenant General in the Army and close ally of Sani Abacha under whom he served as minister.



https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/531440-two-million-pounds-stolen-by-ex-minister-jeremiah-useni-seized-in-jersey.html

The way northerners stole from this country, by now we should all have declared them not fit to hold sensitive post ever in this country. From military procurement, to ministries under their watch .etc

ivandragon:
The first part of your submission is correct to a very large extant.

The second part is not so straightforward. The issue with Nigeria, within the context of your submission, goes beyond political structures. It is about the value system at the grassroots level.

For instance, today, there are teenagers with questionable wealth, but nobody questions him/her, not even the parents. Instead, such person is hailed & worshipped by people within the same community...

It is that same teenager that would grow into an adult & occupy positions of authority or use influence to put persons of likemind in place.

So, if the people do not do what is right at thier own personal levels, no amount of political restructuring will correct the present corrupted system to an appreciable level.

In bold. Value systems.
The value systems of the largest ethnic groups in Nigeria are different, and can never converge.
Commonly shared value systems are the bedrock of nationhood.
If Nigeria is politically restructured such that every zone controls and uses the resources in its environment to govern and develop itself and people, there shall be no more conflicts in Nigeria.
The present political structure and governance system encourage looting of the national treasury.

None of you on Nairaland would talk about this, but only talks whenever Tinubu name is mentioned. You people think this criminals from the north are using age advantage on Tinubu think twice. Was Buhari not old in 2015? Many of you talking rubbish about Tinubu now were the one praising Buhari then and you all got what you supported with your blind eyes. The only person than can take us out of this shithole is Tinubu take it or leave it.

donbachi:
Jerryboy

Wow I now see we have alot of men in this forum who followed what happened in Nigeria in the 80s and 90s... Yeah that was the fun name we called him then.

KLINO:
This man caused me to be dismissed from UBA in 2001 for paying a fake cheque oN300k from his fraudulent staff and my leg was fractured due to investigation. God.

What!!! Are you serious about this I know JerryB very well.

subsidywise18:
Because most of you don't want to do the hard work of fighting corruption

And also because most of you think that a resource dependent economy with limited taxes which is what it makes them.easy.to steal is better than a productive economy.

What a dumb submission.
What has taxes got to do with the topic? Will paying more taxes prevent our politicians from stealing? Do our politicians avoid stealing taxes because they are taxes and steal other sources of income? Can u tell me what the govt at all levels have done with all the taxes the collected...income taxes, stamp duty, exise duties, import and export duties, VAT, etc....

They don't hide it as oga is not aware of what is going on around him.[/quote]Which Oga is not aware of the looting going on around him? You should say that Oga is silent because he has looted more than his subjects!

FERNANDEZISBACK:
He is a nairalander..wow what a Small world..this guy despise the USA so much..some might know who i am talking about..

No wonder haven't seen him on here for a while..

Dude! Really?

nkemjacob2:
Nigeria now a safe place for looters to strive. Oh! Nigeria my country.

It has always been!!

BigRocky:
Why our African leaders this corrupt ?

Merry go round

Steal here hide there lose there bring wahala here

We suffer am here

No be juju be that





And Boko Haram no your house them no location you


Reward they heaven await you

Cubalabloo:
Imagine how many people looted our funds during that evil regime. How many more have looted our funds after that disasterous regime. How many more are gonna loot our funds after this castotrophic regime. Our country needs some kind of a special redemption. Who will redem us?

more like a nuclear attack to reset the country as a whole...

onuman:
In bold. Value systems.
The value systems of the largest ethnic groups in Nigeria are different, and can never converge.
Commonly shared value systems are the bedrock of nationhood.
If Nigeria is politically restructured such that every zone controls and uses the resources in its environment to govern and develop itself and people, there shall be no more conflicts in Nigeria.
The present political structure and governance system encourage looting of the national treasury.

A thief is a thief, whether you put him in rags or King's garbs...

If the family values are corrupted, do you really think the 'restructured polity' would be any different from what we have today?

Take a look at states & local governments. While it is easy to keep pointing accusing fingers at the Centre, what have states & LGs done with the 'little' they have received? At least the state & local government officials still come from the people themselves...

For the totality of the system to change, we must first reform the mentality of the people.

Hannover:
What!!! Are you serious about this I know JerryB very well.

I am in my early 50s now. This happened at Jos main branch.
You can get in touch with me and I will give you details

KLINO:
I am in my early 50s now. This happened at Jos main branch.
You can get in touch with me and I will give you details

Sorry man.

You imagine if the starched away money was spent on education, health, industries, etc. Members of Nigeria’s political class deserve to be gassed to death and whatever wealth they have taken from them and the proceeds used to maintain the poor and the needy.

ivandragon:
A thief is a thief, whether you put him in rags or King's garbs...

If the family values are corrupted, do you really think the 'restructured polity' would be any different from what we have today?

Take a look at states & local governments. While it is easy to keep pointing accusing fingers at the Centre, what have states & LGs done with the 'little' they have received? At least the state & local government officials still come from the people themselves...

For the totality of the system to change, we must first reform the mentality of the people.

In bold.

Nobody - no Nigerian - was born to be a thief.

It's Nigeria's roguish political structure and governance system that turns many Nigerians into thieves.

The value systems of a family in Birnin Kebbi or Sokoto is different from the value systems of a family in Eket, or Awka - the moment we tell ourselves this truth, the better. You don't build a Sovereign country from nations with diverse value systems. Thats why nearly all the countries of Europe are comprised of single nations. Switzerland with three nations had reps from the three nations agree on how the country would be structured and governed.
Belgium made up of diverse nations has remained in political turmoil.

onuman:
In bold.

Nobody - no Nigerian - was born to be a thief.

It's Nigeria's roguish political structure and governance system that turns many Nigerians into thieves.

The value systems of a family in Birnin Kebbi or Sokoto is different from the value systems of a family in Eket, or Awka - the moment we tell ourselves this truth, the better. You don't build a Sovereign country from nations with diverse value systems. Thats why nearly all the countries of Europe are comprised of single nations. Switzerland with three nations had reps from the three nations agree on how the country would be structured and governed.
Belgium made up of diverse nations has remained in political turmoil.

How does my quote you highlighted translate to being born a thief from birth?

In nigeria, does it matter where our politicians come from before they show how corrupt they are?

You keep talking about restructuring, if you restructure & the local community still hails yahoo boys & others with ill-gotten wealth as 'sharp people ', what has been achieved? You have only further localised the corruption, nothing more.

Like I said earlier, at the LG level where it can be argued that communities are 99% homogeneous, has that stopped corruption at that level? Even if that LG becomes a country of its own today, if the people don't adjust thier value system, do you think anything will change?

ivandragon:
How does my quote you highlighted translate to being born a thief from birth?

In nigeria, does it matter where our politicians come from before they show how corrupt they are?

You keep talking about restructuring, if you restructure & the local community still hails yahoo boys & others with ill-gotten wealth as 'sharp people ', what has been achieved? You have only further localised the corruption, nothing more.

Like I said earlier, at the LG level where it can be argued that communities are 99% homogeneous, has that stopped corruption at that level? Even if that LG becomes a country of its own today, if the people don't adjust thier value system, do you think anything will change?

In bold:

Yahoo Yahoo people are not hailed in American, European and Asian countries because the law enforcement systems in those countries are highly effective.
Because Nigeria has no effective policing system due to the political structure and governance system institutionalized in Nigeria by Arewa military dictators, Yahoo Yahoo criminals are hailed by some people, hyper corruption in official places thrives.
You play down the reality that Nigeria is not supposed to be one country, thats like an enlightened person being insincere to oneself.

ivandragon:
How does my quote you highlighted translate to being born a thief from birth?

In nigeria, does it matter where our politicians come from before they show how corrupt they are?

You keep talking about restructuring, if you restructure & the local community still hails yahoo boys & others with ill-gotten wealth as 'sharp people ', what has been achieved? You have only further localised the corruption, nothing more.

Like I said earlier, at the LG level where it can be argued that communities are 99% homogeneous, has that stopped corruption at that level? Even if that LG becomes a country of its own today, if the people don't adjust thier value system, do you think anything will change?

Voice of reason.

onuman:
In bold:

Yahoo Yahoo people are not hailed in American, European and Asian countries because the law enforcement systems in those countries are highly effective.
Because Nigeria has no effective policing system due to the political structure and governance system institutionalized in Nigeria by Arewa military dictators, Yahoo Yahoo criminals are hailed by some people, hyper corruption in official places thrives.
You play down the reality that Nigeria is not supposed to be one country, thats like an enlightened person being insincere to oneself.

Who makes laws You? You talk as if sociopolitical laws automatically make themselves.

You keep skipping the reality that the corruption you keep heaping at the centre has its foundation at the grassroots.

The state governor & LG chairman that steals & diverts revenue meant for the people to private pockets are they doing so because their states & LGs are ethnically diverse?

If the values of the people poor, how can you make good laws?

Is the policeman corrupt because of ethnic diversity? Does the yahoo boy commit atrocities because of ethnic diversity?

Look at the SS. They clamouring for increased derivation & they got 13%. Has that reduced corruption in the SS or is the development there commensurate to the allocations received? Can they be said to have truly managed the 'little' received so far, properly?

Now, based on the last part of your last statement, your opinion is like people with bandwagon mentality. Because they hear 'restructuring', they use it at every instance to downplay the reality which is that the people must first restructure their value systems before they can restructure the polity.

ivandragon:
Who makes laws You? You talk as if sociopolitical laws automatically make themselves.

You keep skipping the reality that the corruption you keep heaping at the centre has its foundation at the grassroots.

The state governor & LG chairman that steals & diverts revenue meant for the people to private pockets are they doing so because their states & LGs are ethnically diverse?

If the values of the people poor, how can you make good laws?

Is the policeman corrupt because of ethnic diversity? Does the yahoo boy commit atrocities because of ethnic diversity?

Look at the SS. They clamouring for increased derivation & they got 13%. Has that reduced corruption in the SS or is the development there commensurate to the allocations received? Can they be said to have truly managed the 'little' received so far, properly?

Now, based on the last part of your last statement, your opinion is like people with bandwagon mentality. Because they hear 'restructuring', they use it at every instance to downplay the reality which is that the people must first restructure their value systems before they can restructure the polity.

So we must stick to the bogey political structure created by northern military dictators?
And you feign ignorance of the fact that it's the bogey political structure which springs up inept political leaders at the central government level; and that once the central government is inept in the unitary government system, the state governments, the local government councils, and the society at the grassroots get bad.

The north of Nigeria clutches tight to the roguish political structure and governance system created by northern soldiers, and tells the southerners that restructuring the political structure and governance system is not what's required to make Nigeria good. Northerners who deride this needed political restructuring of Nigeria are being smart by half.

onuman:
So we must stick to the bogey political structure created by northern military dictators?
And you feign ignorance of the fact that it's the bogey political structure which springs up inept political leaders at the central government level; and that once the central government is inept in the unitary government system, the state governments, the local government councils, and the society at the grassroots get bad.

The north of Nigeria clutches tight to the roguish political structure and governance system created by northern soldiers, and tells the southerners that restructuring the political structure and governance system is not what's required to make Nigeria good. Northerners who deride this needed political restructuring of Nigeria are being smart by half.

North this, North that...

What has your state & local government chairman done with the resources at their disposal?

You can't keep blaming others for your ineptitude when you have failed to do the right thing at your micro-level.

Those being smart by half are those you blame the lopsided political system for corruption while felicitating with their local elected leaders who are mismanaging & embezzling the resources at the local level.

You must first hold those close to you to account before you start pointing accusing fingers at the North.

How many LGs in Nigeria have written bills & told their elected reps at the national level to present such bills at the NASS or they will be recalled?

The elected leaders do not fall from the sky, they are born & bred from amongst the people.